Breaking: Senate shoots down CCB, 51-46; Update: DeMint vows to force new CCB vote

posted at 11:10 am on July 22, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

When Harry Reid scheduled a rare motion-to-table vote for this morning rather than waiting for the cloture vote tomorrow, one had to presume that he had the votes to kill the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act.  He did — but but it was close.  From the Boss Emeritus:

Update: 10:57am Eastern…The Senate just voted down the House Cut Cap and Balance bill, 51-46. Reid danced on its grave, proclaiming it “over, dead, and done.” Back to the Democrat plan:

Nothing!

Speaking of which, remember when Reid insisted on Wednesday that it was just terrible for the House to take the weekend off in the middle of the crisis, just in case the Senate needed them to act on a proposal from the upper chamber?  Now, apparently, it’s Miller Time, according to Politico’s Manu Raju:

Senators catching flights home now – weekend votes ain’t gonna happen, we’re told

The House has at least proposed two different plans to deal with the debt crisis.  The Senate has yet to come up with any plan.  Neither has the White House, despite the hysteria over the August 2nd deadline.  So why are Senators streaming out of Washington DC, Senator Reid?  And doesn’t that make this earlier whining a little more hypocritical?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) confronted White House budget director Jack Lew during a Thursday afternoon meeting about secret talks on a deficit-reduction deal between the president and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio).

“I’m the Senate majority leader — why don’t I know about this deal?” Reid demanded as soon as the budget director walked into the historic Mansfield Room for a meeting with Senate Democrats, according to a lawmaker who witnessed the exchange.

Maybe if the Senate Majority Leader spent some time leading, he might be important enough to include.

Update: Actually, Reid could have filibustered it had he chosen to do so.  I’ve fixed the first paragraph.

Update II: Straight party-line vote.  It will be interesting to see how Ben Nelson and Claire McCaskill defend their decision to deny a balanced-budget amendment vote when it comes time to run for re-election next year.

Update III: Senator Jim DeMint pledged in a statement to force another vote on CCB:

“The bipartisan House-passed Cut, Cap, Balance bill remains the only plan on the table, the only one that preserves our AAA rating, and is only four Democrat votes away from a Senate majority to end this debt crisis,” said Senator DeMint. “I will work to force another vote on Cut, Cap & Balance next week because the President and Democrats have not offered the American people any other viable solution.

“It is outrageous that every Senate Democrat voted against even allowing a debate on balancing the budget within 10 years, a plan supported by two-thirds of Americans with wide support across all party lines. Why are Senate Democrats so afraid to debate a balanced budget? Cut, Cap, Balance is the compromise plan that passed the House and can end the wasteful spending that caused this debt crisis. It gives the President the debt limit increase he has asked for in return for immediate spending cuts, enforceable spending caps, and a constitutional amendment to force Washington to stop spending more than it brings in.

“The President and Democrats have been beyond reckless in this debate, refusing to offer any serious solution to our fiscal crisis. The only plan the President has offered would increase our debt by $10 trillion and push our nation into bankruptcy.

“I urge Republican leaders to stop letting the President to drag you back like children into secret meetings where he pretends to do something constructive. The President created this crisis by irresponsible spending and borrowing that has left our economy in shambles, and if he’s unwilling to simply agree to balance the budget in 10 years then he is not a credible negotiating partner.

“No more closed door meetings, no more phony compromises that don’t solve the problem, no more useless commissions. We have a balanced approach supported by a bipartisan House majority that ends our debt crisis if just four Senate Democrats would keep their promise and support a balanced budget.

“We must pass Cut, Cap & Balance to keep our nation from falling off a fiscal cliff.”

The bill has not been entirely killed.  The House does not have to re-send the CCB in order for the Senate to reconsider it after it has been tabled.  If DeMint can get enough votes, he can force Reid to bring it back to the floor from the table.

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Spot on … only reason Brown, Snowe and Collins voted with us this time is they knew it would LOSE.

Had this vote been really close and hinged on those RINO votes – they’d have voted with the Democrats.

rockmom has her head in the sand.

HondaV65 on July 22, 2011 at 12:24 PM

You are correct sir. All CNN has to do is promise the two ‘ladies’ from Maine an exclusive bit of national camera-time and they’ll vote for whatever is necessary. They are as much camera-whores as Schumer.

slickwillie2001 on July 22, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Oh and Toomey, the Tea Party deserve credit for him too. Before the Tea Party movement, all the establishment lined up in support of Benedict Arlen, including Bush. The Tea Partiers literally drove that sleaze out of the party and Toomey is now Senator.

Daemonocracy on July 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM

He’s my Senator and I’m damn glad of it.

All I’m suggesting is that the RINO-hunters who kept saying it wouldn’t matter if the Democrats kept control of the Senate, as long as we got rid of the RINOs, especially Mike Castle, were dead wrong. It’s mattered. A lot. Sure, electing Rand Paul and Mike Lee and Pat Toomey and Marco Rubio was awesome. I supported all of them. But they were miles and miles better candidates that O’Donnell, Buck, and Angle.

We had a tsunami election in 2010, that should have rsulted in a compeltekly GOP Congress and had Barack Obama whimpering with his tail between his legs. Instead, Harry Reid can stop anything that will hurt Obama, and they can all tag-team the media to portray the Republicans in the House as the ones who are out of step with America. It’s really a disaster, and a hell of a lot worse than having a Republican majority that included Mike Castle.

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 1:12 PM

And by the way, where is the so-called GOP frontrunner, Romney, in all of this debt debacle? Oh wait! He is busy sticking his finger in the wind – he’ll make his opinion known after a deal has been signed and in place /sarc.

I have one simple message for RINOs: the GOP going forward has only one place for you – the back of the bus OR… GET OUT!! No more RINO Congressional leaders or Governors or Presidents. RINOs are always welcome to join the Dems where I guess they will be welcome in their bid to moderate them and pull them to the center /sarc.

Note on my last sentence: Arlen Specter voted with Dems 90%+ of the time after his switch while he had been voting with the GOP probably less than 55% of the time.

TheRightMan on July 22, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Kraut says there are 3 choices, and none of those choices are the CCB. Sorry Kraut, your mask started slipping when Palin hit the stage…looks like it’s been permanently removed. Someone give me a reason to listen to Kraut anymore.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 12:55 PM


There are no reasons, which is why I quit listening to him some months back.

jackal40 on July 22, 2011 at 1:14 PM

You folks that dream of a Senate that didn’t happen in 2010 have to recognize that Dingy would still have had far more than enough to filibuster this in a floor vote. In 2012 and 2014 we are unlikely to get a filibuster-proof Senate.

What the democratics accomplished in 2008-10, in a supermajority, was truly historic and only happens once in a generation, and usually for the democratics. It seems that every generation needs to learn the painful lessons of socialism once. You can trace the explosion in the welfare state to those Congresses.

slickwillie2001 on July 22, 2011 at 1:17 PM

The Debt Ceiling Debate is FUBAR! I blame BOTH sides.

Mutnodjmet on July 22, 2011 at 1:20 PM

We had a tsunami election in 2010, that should have rsulted in a compeltekly GOP Congress and had Barack Obama whimpering with his tail between his legs. Instead, Harry Reid can stop anything that will hurt Obama, and they can all tag-team the media to portray the Republicans in the House as the ones who are out of step with America. It’s really a disaster, and a hell of a lot worse than having a Republican majority that included Mike Castle.

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 1:12 PM

This shows you NEVER understood (and probably never will understand) the Tea Party despite your protestations to the contrary.

The Tea Party is not about rewarding power-hungry politicians and crooks with POWER. We all know McConnell and his RINO gang are all salivating at the prospect of taking the Senate in 2012 and were miffed when they couldn’t in 2010. But what do they need the power for? Heck, the Dems were more effective in the Senate minority than this sorry bunch. Remember the Gang of 14 when the GOP controlled the Senate?

Now what makes you think this RINO bunch has changed and therefore deserve power after throwing it away in 2006? They gleefully spat and stuck their fingers in their party base’s eyes and then lost the majority. And you want us to repeat the madness hoping they’ve learned their lesson?

What makes you think a RINO-led Senate will be any better than a Dem-led Senate, save for the GOP shouldering the blame?

Rockmom, the era of the “RUBES” working their b—s off to deliver power to the “ELITES” only to rue it is OVER!! If they badly want power, let them go get it themselves.

TheRightMan on July 22, 2011 at 1:23 PM

You folks that dream of a Senate that didn’t happen in 2010 have to recognize that Dingy would still have had far more than enough to filibuster this in a floor vote. In 2012 and 2014 we are unlikely to get a filibuster-proof Senate.

What the democratics accomplished in 2008-10, in a supermajority, was truly historic and only happens once in a generation, and usually for the democratics. It seems that every generation needs to learn the painful lessons of socialism once. You can trace the explosion in the welfare state to those Congresses.

slickwillie2001 on July 22, 2011 at 1:17 PM

CCB would get 51 votes in THIS Senate, if Harry Reid would let it come to a vote. If there was a Republican majority they probably could have gotten cloture on it, and even if they couldn’t, McConnell could force votes every single day until the red-state Dems cried Uncle.

Besides, a Republican Senate would have been having this debate weeks ago, and there would not have been this brinkmanship that is playing into Obama’s hands. Not to mention that a GOP Senate would have passed a budget for 2011 and had a 2011 budget done by now and forced Obama to veto it (budget bills cannot be filibustered.)

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 1:27 PM

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM

I was surprised at the strong poll support for CCB. So it does seem a good idea to circle the wagons around.

However, more important than anything is to get rid of Obama and he must not be given any leverage to win re-election.

gh on July 22, 2011 at 1:28 PM

If you have any paper money in your pocket…

… I highly suggest you go buy some food that you can store while you still can.

Seven Percent Solution on July 22, 2011 at 1:29 PM

Besides, a Republican Senate would have been having this debate weeks ago, and there would not have been this brinkmanship that is playing into Obama’s hands.

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 1:27 PM

You give the GOP too much credit. The dems have been spending mountains of money which is what lead to this whole debate about raising the debt ceiling and the GOP STILL can’t place the blame on the Dems? If they haven’t been able to do it here, I have little faith they can ever get the messaging out there to be in their favor.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 1:31 PM

TheRightMan on July 22, 2011 at 1:23 PM

So I take it you are perfectly happy with what is going on now?

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 1:31 PM

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 1:12 PM

You’ve got it. Dirty Harry has been our biggest obstacle in this whole ordeal. Not Barack Obama, and certainly not Snowe, Collins, and Brown, who have been continuously voting for balanced budgets this whole time – and all three of whom voted to sustain CCB.

KingGold on July 22, 2011 at 1:33 PM

You give the GOP too much credit. The dems have been spending mountains of money which is what lead to this whole debate about raising the debt ceiling and the GOP STILL can’t place the blame on the Dems? If they haven’t been able to do it here, I have little faith they can ever get the messaging out there to be in their favor.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 1:31 PM

It’s not about the messaging, it’s about the voting.
The minority in the Senate has very little powwer to force votes on anything. So far the remaining Red State Democrats have been protected by Harry Reid. If Republicans were running the Senate they would be forcing those Senators to choose between Harry Reid and their own reelection.

And don’t even get me started with all the hearings that could have been held in the Senate and bills passed in Committees that could have really put Obama’s feet to the fire.

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 1:34 PM

However, more important than anything is to get rid of Obama and he must not be given any leverage to win re-election.

gh on July 22, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Disagreed. There is no proof the 6 month deal will get this thing tied around Obama’s neck – like I said in a previous comment the sole reason we are having this debate is because the Dems have been spending like Paris Hilton in a shoe store with daddy’s credit card and they STILL can’t pin this to the Dems.

AND if ‘conservative’ pundits won’t even mention the conservative plan – which is the only one out there to pass anything yet – what makes you think they will do anything to contrast the LSM which will try to make anything that happens work to Obama’s favor?

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 1:36 PM

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Toomey, Lee, Paul and Rubio have given more power to Jim DeMint. This was the goal of the primary cleansing, to give voice to true conservative leaders and send a warning shot to others. You win some, you lose some, but they did pretty damn good for their first time around.

Landslide election or not, it was high fantasy to think both houses would switch power. The only reason we are discussing the size of spending cuts instead of the size of spending increases is because of the tea party movement and their willingness to primary squishes in the party. I don’t give a damn about Republican control of the house if it’s McConnell’s agenda. I hope to see DeMint’s influence enhanced even more after 2012. This is Goldwater VS Rockefeller, Reagan VS Ford all over again.

Daemonocracy on July 22, 2011 at 1:38 PM

It’s not about the messaging, it’s about the voting.

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 1:34 PM

I was responding to your ‘brinkmanship’ comment – which is all about messaging.

I’m more worried about what laws get passed, but when anyone else around here starts talking about how this effects Obama’s re-election, that is messaging. And the GOP can’t even pin the heavy spending on the ones who actually did all the spending so I don’t give them much credit.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 1:39 PM

isagreed. There is no proof the 6 month deal …
what makes you think they will do anything to contrast the LSM which will try to make anything that happens work to Obama’s favor?

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Obama is very dangerous. Look at all the executive orders. If there is a default, he’s going to try something. The media will let him do anything he wants.

Give him $200B on the debt ceiling with $200B in specific cuts for the next two months. Negotiate on the cuts but nothing else. This is a stop-gap to negotiate the “big deal” he wants (but don’t give him that). The default is then on either his shoulders or Dingy Harry’s.

If nothing happens over the two months do it again and drag it out all the way through 2012.

gh on July 22, 2011 at 1:43 PM

Jim Jordan (more at NRO).

Jordan says it’s time to get serious. “Gimmicks, commissions, kicking the can down the road — we will oppose all of those things,” he adds. In the final days of negotiations, he says, “the idea is to win.”

gh on July 22, 2011 at 1:47 PM

This is a stop-gap to negotiate the “big deal” he wants (but don’t give him that). The default is then on either his shoulders or Dingy Harry’s.

If nothing happens over the two months do it again and drag it out all the way through 2012.

gh on July 22, 2011 at 1:43 PM

Right. And I’m guessing the result will be just as successful as the budget deal that used the same strategy. So glad we got that $100 billion…er, wait…that $352 million.

And the excuse I heard then was “this isn’t the big fight, the debt ceiling will be the BIG fight, and we’ll win then!” Kick the can…kick…kick…keep kicking…

You can keep going that way, I’ll take some results, please.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Rockmom, there was nothing wrong with Ken Buck. Michael Bennett lied through his teeth constantly and my fellow Coloradoans were too stupid to see past them. Not to mention the 11,000 or so illegals we are now finding out that voted in our Colorado elections.

Democrats can’t win in this state unless they lie and cheat. Unfortunately they are good at both.

jawkneemusic on July 22, 2011 at 1:51 PM

I’m for no grand deal until after the 2012 elections. Until then, short extensions only.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 22, 2011 at 1:52 PM

You can keep going that way, I’ll take some results, please.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 1:47 PM

You do not have the votes.

It will be interesting to see if Jordan can keep everyone on-side.

gh on July 22, 2011 at 1:52 PM

This may have gone down simply in a fit of pique on the part of Dingy. Steyn (for Rush) describes Dingy going to the WH earlier this week and excoriating the WH Budget Director __ for leaving him out of negotiations. Sounds like a ‘don’t you know who I am’ moment for Dingy.

slickwillie2001 on July 22, 2011 at 1:55 PM

You do not have the votes.

It will be interesting to see if Jordan can keep everyone on-side.

gh on July 22, 2011 at 1:52 PM

It’s the GOP’s job to change that. Put the pressure on the Dems. Back DeMint. Get out there in the media and get the message straight. Hold your guns.

The Dems can’t do anything with the GOP. No matter what polls say, if the US defaults, it’s gonna look bad on Obama and he does not want that. I’m sick of the GOP bending over and taking it. Time for them to stick to their ground.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Obama is very dangerous. Look at all the executive orders. If there is a default, he’s going to try something. The media will let him do anything he wants…

gh on July 22, 2011 at 1:43 PM

Re the EO’s, you ain’t see nothing yet. Wait until November 2012 to January 2013 when he’s a lame duck.

slickwillie2001 on July 22, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Toomey, Lee, Paul and Rubio have given more power to Jim DeMint. This was the goal of the primary cleansing, to give voice to true conservative leaders and send a warning shot to others. You win some, you lose some, but they did pretty damn good for their first time around.

Landslide election or not, it was high fantasy to think both houses would switch power. The only reason we are discussing the size of spending cuts instead of the size of spending increases is because of the tea party movement and their willingness to primary squishes in the party. I don’t give a damn about Republican control of the house if it’s McConnell’s agenda. I hope to see DeMint’s influence enhanced even more after 2012. This is Goldwater VS Rockefeller, Reagan VS Ford all over again.

Daemonocracy on July 22, 2011 at 1:38 PM

I actually agree with everything you say here, although I belive you are quite naive if you think Jim DeMint isn’t all about accumulating his own power. You should have seen through him when he declined to endorse Christine O’Donnell until the Friday before the primary after the first poll came out that showed hear ahead. He is no great leader, but he is a good follower.

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 2:15 PM

These halfwits who cry “RINO!” at everyone they ever have a disagreement with are going to cost us. Their fanaticism gave us Coons and returned Reid, Bennet, and Murky to office.

“Nothing wrong with Ken Buck” – has to be one of the most hilarious lines written here.

Clueless bastards . . . are you guys Obama plants trying to undermine us?

Adjoran on July 22, 2011 at 2:29 PM

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 2:15 PM

I actually prefer sitting members of Congress and their organizations to stay out of primary politics. Especially out of town members. If John Cornyn had his way we would have Charlie Crist instead of Marco Rubio. Delaware should have a better choices than both O’Donnell or Castle. And how is Mrs. Angle any crazier than Reid?

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2011 at 2:36 PM

To: Hon. Mark Warner:
.
Sir,
I am extremely disappointed in your vote today on the motion to table CCB. It was partisan and party line, without regard to the proposals in the measure itself. Your kowtowing to Reid, Conrad, and other uber-liberal Democrats is nothing to be proud of or admire.
.
It is a sad damn day in the Senate when it cannot pass a budget, cannot offer a timely solution to a non-existent “debt ceiling” problem, cannot stay in session when there is such a financial calamity before us (according to the “govern by catastrophe” Democrats who nonchalantly take the weekend off), and yet cannot offer a one reasonable critique of the House proposal other than the weak Reid and Conrad criticisms.
.
After seeing your performance in the Senate, I am going to work actively for your ouster and defeat when your re-election next comes before the electorate. You are a complete disgrace.
.
With all due respect,

/signed using my real name/

ExpressoBold on July 22, 2011 at 2:44 PM

It’s time for the Senate and 0 to learn a lesson: House, rewrite the C,C & B slightly with more cuts and less ceiling raise and pass it. Send it over. When the Senate votes that down, do it again ~ more cuts, NO ceiling raise. Pass it, send it over. When they start hollering, House, get your butts on television, radio, print ~ EVERYWHERE ~ and let everyone know what the Senate is doing (or NOT doing).

Finally, send up a bill KILLING 0bamacare. The dems the House loses will be made up by the Tea Party folks. Time to play hardball. The people are behind getting this settled the right way.

greeneyedconservative on July 22, 2011 at 2:45 PM

The only reason we are discussing the size of spending cuts instead of the size of spending increases is because of the tea party movement and their willingness to primary squishes in the party. I don’t give a damn about Republican control of the house if it’s McConnell’s agenda. I hope to see DeMint’s influence enhanced even more after 2012. This is Goldwater VS Rockefeller, Reagan VS Ford all over again.

Daemonocracy on July 22, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Ahem, we aren’t discussing any spending cuts – all plans are reductions of spending increases.

Vashta.Nerada on July 22, 2011 at 3:07 PM

It’s days like this when the O’Donnell and Angle and Fiorina defeats really piss me off.

John the Libertarian on July 22, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Cut, Cap and Balance has the overwhelming support of the American people. If our corrupt ruling class ignores that fact and shoves their own crooked backroom deal down our throats instead then it will prove that, although the crooks are willing to compromise between themselves, they are unwilling to compromise with the American people.

All of the secret backroom meetings should cease, immediately. Let’s push Cut, Cap and Balance down the Ruling Classes throat for a change!

FloatingRock on July 22, 2011 at 4:00 PM

If you have any paper money in your pocket…

… I highly suggest you go buy some food that you can store while you still can.

Seven Percent Solution on July 22, 2011 at 1:29 PM

Always a good idea-for a variety of possibilities.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM

I actually agree with everything you say here, although I belive you are quite naive if you think Jim DeMint isn’t all about accumulating his own power. You should have seen through him when he declined to endorse Christine O’Donnell until the Friday before the primary after the first poll came out that showed hear ahead. He is no great leader, but he is a good follower.

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Christine O’Donnell would have voted for CCP had she been elected. Mike Castle would not have.

Your theory – that we Tea Partiers killed your sacred establishment RINO operations in Washington DC is quite true – we don’t like the establishment and we don’t like career politicians. Certainly Jim DeMint is trying to accumulate some power – but the only way we can escape a politician who isn’t trying to accumulate his own power is to sit at home and eat potato chips on the sofa and watch American Idol.

And – rockmommy – I’m quite sure you’d be happy with us doing that – only to rise from that couch every four years to vote for the establishment candidate which you’ve chosen for us – but … NEWS FLASH SISTER – those days are OVER!!

So unless you can whip up some love from a few tens of millions of people for the the sexy likes of John Cornyn, Mitch McConnell, and John “Cry Me A River” Boehner – how about you just quit crying and get onboard with the new program (Democracy) … and allow the TP to drive the bus awhile because sister – you guys put it in the ditch.

And that’s one of the FEW things Obama ever got right!

HondaV65 on July 22, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Ahem, we aren’t discussing any spending cuts – all plans are reductions of spending increases.

Vashta.Nerada on July 22, 2011 at 3:07 PM

So the Ryan plan doesn’t CUT anything?

HondaV65 on July 22, 2011 at 4:58 PM

It’s days like this when the O’Donnell and Angle and Fiorina defeats really piss me off.

John the Libertarian on July 22, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Well-you can blame two of those defeats on the ESTABLISHMENT – who never supported the women who rightfully won their primaries. And the reason they didn’t was because they weren’t “pure enough” or “clean enough” – as if Charlie Crist and Arlen Specter were.

HondaV65 on July 22, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Why isn’t the RNC running ad’s nonstop to combat the lies and spin of the msm? The average person doesn’t follow this stuff and is fed their opinions by a rump-swabbing group of hacks! The dens once again abdicate their responsibilities, and WE are the bad guys? WT-friggin-F?

Huckabye-Romney on July 22, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Why isn’t the RNC running ad’s nonstop to combat the lies..

Huckabye-Romney on July 22, 2011 at 9:50

The fact you have to ask explains why you’re a Huck/Romney guy.

Only Tea Party favorites give a rat’s ass about cutting spending. All the others are all talk. Romney means it no more than Obama.

Sarah or Rick or Herman, now you’re talking change.

rcl on July 22, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Only Tea Party favorites give a rat’s *** about cutting spending. All the others are all talk. Romney means it no more than Obama.

rcl on July 22, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Sorry rcl, you don’t know what you’re talking about, and I’m not going to let that fly unchallenged. Romney insisted on inflation minus 1 percent budget caps when things were going well. He will have a balanced budget as president and you saying otherwise doesn’t mean anything.

scotash on July 23, 2011 at 3:49 AM

The fact you have to ask explains why you’re a Huck/Romney guy.
Only Tea Party favorites give a rat’s ass about cutting spending. All the others are all talk. Romney means it no more than Obama.
Sarah or Rick or Herman, now you’re talking change.
rcl on July 22, 2011 at 10:19 PM

A nickname or handle is just that. You know nothing about me or who I support (hint: it’s neither of those two). Spare me your sanctimony.

Huckabye-Romney on July 23, 2011 at 8:16 AM

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