Speaker Boehner to Rush Limbaugh: There is NO deal

posted at 6:40 pm on July 21, 2011 by Tina Korbe

House Speaker John Boehner today on the Rush Limbaugh show adamantly insisted leaks of a backdoor budget deal are inaccurate. Boehner said he stands firmly by the plan the House passed Monday — “Cut, Cap and Balance” — and any discussions of backup plans have been just that … discussions of backup plans.

“Well, Rush, there is no deal,” Boehner said. “No deal publicly. No deal privately. There is absolutely no deal … Our focus right now is getting the Senate to follow us in the House and pass Cut, Cap and Balance. I believe that we’ve got to act to prevent a default and to prevent a downgrade of our nation’s credit rating, and the best way to do that is to enact Cut, Cap and Balance. But let me be clear: I believe that is the best course of action. I’ve said all the way along that we’ve gotta keep the lines of communication open. That’s why Leader Cantor and I have talked with Mitch McConnell. We’ve talked to Nancy Pelosi. We’ve talked to the president. We talked about fallback options if in fact Cut, Cap and Balance does go down; and I do think it’s our obligation to have a fallback plan if that doesn’t work.”

The Senate will vote on Cut, Cap and Balance tomorrow. All along, conventional wisdom has suggested the bill will die in the Senate, at which point the “Gang of Six” plan will assume added importance for the future. But as Sen. Jeff Sessions, ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee, explained on Fox News this morning, serious flaws exist in the “Gang of Six” series of talking points.

Cut, Cap and Balance remains the only serious plan on the table and its passage might not be quite so impossible as folks like to think. The legislation already has significant pledged support among Republicans in the Senate and a Senate source says the vote tomorrow will be on a “motion to table” rather than a “motion to proceed” — which means it will only need 51 votes instead of 60. That means the bill would require the support of just four Democrats if all 47 Republicans hold firm.

It shouldn’t be too hard to find four D’s — not if Democrats know what’s good for them, electorally-speaking. A new CNN poll shows 66 percent of Americans support Cut, Cap and Balance. Here’s the best part of the poll: It breaks down the responses by age, gender, race, income, education, political affiliation, political views and more. Cut, Cap and Balance receives majority support from every single category –- even people who self-describe as liberals, Democrats and anti-Tea Party.

The Senate vote on the plan just might shift momentum away from the president and toward the House plan — either because enough Democrats will support the legislation and it will pass or because its failure will reveal the utter unwillingness of the Senate to act on the plan the House has put forward — an unwillingness that is especially significant in light of the fact that the Senate hasn’t forwarded a plan of its own in a timely enough manner to meet the Aug. 2 deadline.


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Saxby Chambliss on Hannity today was an absolute disgrace.

aquaviva on July 21, 2011 at 6:43 PM

So the Democrats in the Senate are going to vote to Table Cut, Cap and Balance to avoid any further discussion of it. They only need 51 votes to do so. I cannot believe there are not 3 Dem Senators who will vote to avoid this bill while the clock is ticking towards Aug 2. They want a default.

txmomof6 on July 21, 2011 at 6:45 PM

“The Republicans have not done what they should have done months ago, which is to find one plan they could all agree on and present it to the president and to the American people. So right now the plans are all over the place.”

Dr. K

aquaviva on July 21, 2011 at 6:46 PM

s/b not vote.

txmomof6 on July 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM

if Democrats know what’s good for them

That’s a hell of an “if”

podank on July 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM

and any discussions of backup plans have been just that … discussions of backup plans.

The backup plan is that the federal government will finally be forced to balance its budget, right now. They have no choice, they have to take their medicine one way or the other.

FloatingRock on July 21, 2011 at 6:53 PM

aquaviva on July 21, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Didn’t hear Hannity. What did Saxby say? Will he not vote for CCB? Sadly, he’s mine.

BitterClinger on July 21, 2011 at 6:55 PM

If the Dems vote no, they’re in favor of a shutdown and it belongs to them and to the President. The question after the vote should be: What plan do you intend to vote for? There is no other viable plan ready for a vote in time for the deadline, period. Hammer that until the cows come home.

stefano1 on July 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM

BULLETIN: WH meeting today at 5:30 with top 2 dem leaders from senate/house
Drew has a theory about this, which I especially like because none of my own effort went into fashioning it. He thinks this indicates trouble for Obama and the Democrats:

There was talk that Boehner and Obama were walking on a deal that was cuts and debt ceiling increase now and maybe some tax reform next year but no promise of increase in tax revenues.
There were reports Dems weren’t happy (I sent a link earlier, not sure where it is)

Now there seems to be an unscheduled meeting with the Democratic leadership from the Hill.

I’m guessing (and that’s all it is) is that Obama is either telling them the rumors about the Boehner deal weren’t true or he’s trying to get them to sign on.

Either way, seems to be some trouble in Democratic paradise

AOSHQ.

The GOP is not the only party with problems among the members.

Obama would throw the Dems under the bus to ge re-elected.

Wethal on July 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM

This is how the prez and Reid plan on blaming the repubs for a default. The senate will table CCB and the House will never vote for it. Actually they can’t since it’s not possible to write it up as a bill before 8-2. The Won wins any way this pie is sliced. We the people get screwed by progs, repubs get the blame and the senate gets to say we did our part by proposing a plan.

Kissmygrits on July 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM

It shouldn’t be too hard to find four D’s — not if Democrats know what’s good for them, electorally-speaking.

How about 2 D’s in contested states, that’s all I would count on.

rob verdi on July 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Saxby Chambliss on Hannity today was an absolute disgrace.

aquaviva on July 21, 2011 at 6:43 PM

So what else is new? This is the same RINO that advocated amnesty and thinks Cap N Trade is a pretty darned neato idea.

angryed on July 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM

This will happen on Saturday Night when NO ONE is watching….

It’s over people…They will reject CCB tomorrow and then the Official CAVING will occur on the weekend.

Tea Party….Bend over and Grab your ankles….we’re gonna feel a little pressure

LordMaximus on July 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Didn’t hear Hannity. What did Saxby say? Will he not vote for CCB? Sadly, he’s mine.

BitterClinger on July 21, 2011 at 6:55 PM

He’s a co-sponsor of CCB in the senate and has said repeatedly his preference is CCB. But, my problem is that he and the other 2 R’s went along with the 3 D’s before CCB even had a vote in the House. This is the height of stupidity and killed the momentum on CCB. You don’t negotiate against your own side. Period.

TXUS on July 21, 2011 at 7:00 PM

The ruling class, which includes the MSM, will continue their efforts to create a sense of inevitability that they’ll get their way, but in reality they are in the minority and are treading on thin ice.

FloatingRock on July 21, 2011 at 7:00 PM

I kind of wish Boehner would just get on with it and cave already. Every day he doesn’t cave gives me so faint hope that the GOP has found a backbone. So when the inevitable cave does come, it will hurt that much more.

So come on John, just do it already. Cave, raise taxes and let’s get on with our lives.

angryed on July 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM

A vote to table is not a vote on the merits, it is a vote to kill or postpone a vote indefinitely. Ultimate kicking the can down the road. Cowards the lot of them.

txmomof6 on July 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Mark Levine was arguing that even though they say there is no deal, all they mean is that they haven’t crossed the Ts and dotted the Is and not to be fooled.

Blake on July 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Didn’t hear Hannity. What did Saxby say? Will he not vote for CCB? Sadly, he’s mine.

BitterClinger on July 21, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Yes, Chambliss said he will vote for CCB. The problem with Chambliss on Hannity for me was his waffling when pressed about why this gang of 6 had to present their plan immediately after the House passed a balanced budget amendment. Chambliss did not have a good reason for it. However, what really made my antennae go up was Chambliss’ statement that they worked on this gang of 6 plan for 7 months! So why did they have to roll it out the way they did then? Methinks they purposely wanted to deflate any notion of a true balanced budget amendment. Many of these RINOs are putting on an enthusiastic face and stating they will vote for the CCB because they know it probably will not pass. That gives them cover for the inevitable cave.

KickandSwimMom on July 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Boehner is going to cave. I am so freaking repulsed by the GOP, I have bile in my throat.

upinak on July 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Wethal on July 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM

LOL if he throws the Dems under the bus I may die of laughter.

That would be the best.

gophergirl on July 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM

This will happen on Saturday Night when NO ONE is watching….

It’s over people…They will reject CCB tomorrow and then the Official CAVING will occur on the weekend.

Tea Party….Bend over and Grab your ankles….we’re gonna feel a little pressure

Why do you have to steal my thunder? I was just going to say that.

Scoreboard44 on July 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM

That last thing Boehner said….about doing the right thing….

God help us.

Scoreboard44 on July 21, 2011 at 7:02 PM

aquaviva on July 21, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Kraut blames the Repubs. What a shocker!

BierManVA on July 21, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Kissmygrits on July 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM

CCB was passed by the House and is being debated right now in the Senate…..If CCB gets tabled by the Democrtatically controlled Senate. There is no other bill “on paper” that can be passed and signed by Obama before 8/2……therefore, the Senate Democrats will take the full blame of any default, despite how the media tries to spin this. Period!

Rovin on July 21, 2011 at 7:05 PM

The Won wins any way this pie is sliced. We the people get screwed by progs, repubs get the blame and the senate gets to say we did our part by proposing a plan.

Kissmygrits on July 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM

I don’t see it that way. Anyone who doesn’t blame the Dems in the Senate and Obama is a maroon.

BierManVA on July 21, 2011 at 7:10 PM

I highly doubt the democrats will be blamed in the long run. I say this because I have been listening to talk radio all day and the way it is being reported on talk radio by ABC news is that Obama is the responsible one. They report that Obama is refusing to raise the debt ceiling unless accompanied by spending cuts! This is a twisting of the “grand plan” that Obama wants to pass to take him through the next election. So, if folks are not paying close attention it appears that the democrats are the reasonable ones. It is amazing what you can do when you have the media in your pocket.

KickandSwimMom on July 21, 2011 at 7:16 PM

It’s as if they don’t think the American people are serious about this…

Seven Percent Solution on July 21, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Rovin on July 21, 2011 at 7:05 PM
Unless they table CCB, present a short term extension so they can have time to work on Gang of 6 for later and convince the House members that that is all they have left.

txmomof6 on July 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM

What? 66% want CCB in the CNN poll? Didn’t CNN tell us just last week that 80% want a tax hike to solve the budget “crisis”? Maybe I’m getting CNN confused with another outfit. Anyway, that’s encouraging. Barry must be in a fit over that poll.

JimP on July 21, 2011 at 7:23 PM

I am linking to this article in the hopes that it will be read, along with the comments. It helps explain the difference between Debt, Debt Limit, Default and what the actual issues are.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/07/21/white-house-and-congressional-leaders-resort-to-fearmongering/#comments

In light of this article it is more important to contact the House Reps in order to strengthen their resolve to NOT CAVE. They and they alone are under tremendous pressure from all sides. The Credit Rating firms, the House Speaker, the Senate and their leaders, the W.H., and other outside influences all for one reason only: TO CAVE and agree to whatever “Deal” is coming.

I was planning on house cleaning tomorrow, but think I’ll do that tonight. That way I can be on the phone contacting every U.S. House member tomorrow. Not easy to do that, but I’ve done it before.

I hope many will join me in this important task.

Here is the best site for info:
http://www.congressmerge.com/ Click on Your Congress

bluefox on July 21, 2011 at 7:28 PM

KickandSwimMom on July 21, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Glad to see you got the “link” figured out:-) ABC will confuse you, LOL If you want good info, try Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin. They all can be listened to on line if you can’t get their radio stations.

bluefox on July 21, 2011 at 7:33 PM

What? 66% want CCB in the CNN poll? Didn’t CNN tell us just last week that 80% want a tax hike to solve the budget “crisis”? Maybe I’m getting CNN confused with another outfit. Anyway, that’s encouraging. Barry must be in a fit over that poll.

JimP on July 21, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Hm. I’m wondering if perhaps people are starting to look elsewhere for their information instead of relying on the LSM to BS them.

One can hope, anyways.

kim roy on July 21, 2011 at 7:41 PM

bluefox on July 21, 2011 at 7:33 PM

It was the ABC newscasts during the Rush, Hannity & Levin shows where I heard it! It is like listening to an alternate reality when they report the news during the breaks of those shows. Lol.

KickandSwimMom on July 21, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Rush is right. Make the rinos feel the heat and melt down the phones. If we don’t try we can’t stop it and will have no excuses. We make our wishes known and vote out the ones who don’t pay attention.

Kissmygrits on July 21, 2011 at 7:54 PM

If Boehner and the GOP had any guts at all they would have a back up plan of their own already waiting. The moment the Senate kills CCB the House should pass a clean bill raising the debt limit. No cuts. No taxes. Just raise the limit enough to last about 6 months.

Send that to DIngy Harry and The One.

And if they kill that be ready to pass one with a similar bill that buys them three months.

Have a stack of them lined up and ready to go. Put the Dems on record again and again and again.

Stephen Macklin on July 21, 2011 at 8:04 PM

House Speaker John Boehner today on the Rush Limbaugh show adamantly insisted leaks of a backdoor budget deal are inaccurate. Boehner said he stands firmly by the plan the House passed Monday — “Cut, Cap and Balance” — and any discussions of backup plans have been just that … discussions of backup plans.

Sugar We’re Going Down Swinging

Dr Evil on July 21, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Why is Boehner talking to anyone? He’s passed a damned plan – he should go on vacation now until the Senate passes one of their own.

He should NOT be talking to anyone – especially Obama.

Weren’t we told by McConnell last week that Obama isn’t negotiating in good faith?

So why are these idiots negotiating with him?

FOOLS.

They have the advantage – now shut up – and tell everyone you’ve done your job – until you see the Dimmocritic plan in writing.

HondaV65 on July 21, 2011 at 8:15 PM

That’s Daddy Sugar ;)

Dr Evil on July 21, 2011 at 8:15 PM

I believe that we’ve got to act to prevent a default and to prevent a downgrade of our nation’s credit rating


No, you don’t,
Boehner!

If they downgrade the credit rating, it won’t make any practical difference. Remember, the US credit rating is AAA today and the 10-year US Treasury Note pays about 3%. In 1981, the US credit rating was AAA and the 10-year note paid as much as 13.9%.

Raising the debt limit does not pay our bills–contrary to what fiscally irresponsible Democratic Senator Tom Harkin said today. A debt ceiling increase just means avoiding all the debt.

Emperor Norton on July 21, 2011 at 8:23 PM

Some one needs to tell Sugar Daddy, We’re going down swinging :) Sarah Palin, The Sugar Daddy Is Out Of Sugar. GRIN.

Dr Evil on July 21, 2011 at 8:26 PM

KickandSwimMom on July 21, 2011 at 7:45 PM

LOL, Ok KSM I just wanted to make sure:-) I just finished making a list of all Dem Senators up for re-election in 2012. Now I’ll get the House members.

bluefox on July 21, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Dr Evil on July 21, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Lol! Too bad the republicans are unable to fight like girls!

KickandSwimMom on July 21, 2011 at 8:44 PM

While the Cut & Cap is fine, the BBA is flawed. It would be easier to just include a law that reinstitutes the Preamable as a fully functional and pre-eminent part of our Constitution. Go on to simply define what the meaning of the Preamble is when it comes to Promoting the General Welfare (not providing the general welfare, or providing for special interests), and preserving liberty to ourselves and posterity means you can’t tax future generations to pay for today’s problem, nor does it mean we should have a cradle to grave nanny state. Budgets should be generationally balanced so that each generation pays it’s own way as it passes on — the reality is we don’t need a BBA as much as we need generational budgeting…

Then watch the Dem’s really squirm — their entire empire of entitlements and regulations is based upon FDR tossing the Preamble under the bus and covering it with decades of judicial, legislative and bureaucratic activism to the contrary. This would also require them to put their socialist nanny state play book up (not against the GOP or Tea Partiers but) against some of the clearest and simplest wording of the Constitutional that most everyone can understand…

drfredc on July 21, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Would John Boehner DARE to lie to El Rushbo? Because if he winds up caving in Rush will make him wish he was never born.

Naturally Curly on July 21, 2011 at 9:03 PM

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) confronted White House budget director Jack Lew during a Thursday afternoon meeting about secret talks on a deficit-reduction deal between the president and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio).

“I’m the Senate majority leader — why don’t I know about this deal?” Reid demanded as soon as the budget director walked into the historic Mansfield Room for a meeting with Senate Democrats, according to a lawmaker who witnessed the exchange.

Lew shot back: “If there’s a deal, then the president doesn’t know about it, the vice president doesn’t know about it and I don’t know about it.”

A Senate Democratic aide confirmed the exchange took place.

Democrats were outraged about reports that Obama was willing to accept major spending cuts in exchange for reforming the tax code at some point in the future as part of a deal to raise the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling.

Reid and other Democrats warned the administration officials in the meeting that they might not support a deal between Obama and Boehner if kept out of the loop.

“It was a heated session,” said a senior Democratic senator who attended the lunch. “There’s a basic lack of trust with the president.”

The lawmaker said the lack of trust stems from what they suspect are secret negotiations taking place between Obama and Boehner, without the input of Reid and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.).

“Harry’s not being included!” exclaimed the second senator.

Reid has told Democrats and Democratic allies that he did not have any of the details of a reported $3 trillion deficit-reduction deal coming together between Obama and Boehner.

The lawmaker said Senate Democrats “can’t be assumed to go along with whatever deal.”

Senate Democrats grilled Lew about whether the president was holding side talks with Boehner, according to a source who attended Thursday’s meeting.

Lew was somewhat evasive in his answer, leading some Democrats to conclude that Obama is conducting backchannel talks with Boehner.

Politico

(yes, I know it’s really a Dem site, but still…)

Wethal on July 21, 2011 at 9:12 PM

I know many here feel that the R’s will cave; that the D’s will get over on us again; that Lucy will pull the football.

Still, as this plays out, I can’t help thinking: could this ve, finally, the one time that the R’s actually do the right thing?

Could it actually work?

massrighty on July 21, 2011 at 9:14 PM

This will happen on Saturday Night when NO ONE is watching….

It’s over people…They will reject CCB tomorrow and then the Official CAVING will occur on the weekend.

Tea Party….Bend over and Grab your ankles….we’re gonna feel a little pressure

Why do you have to steal my thunder? I was just going to say that.

Scoreboard44 on July 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Just because you can’t dictate your will on the rest of the country doesn’t mean that you’re a victim. We live in a democracy and that entails reaching agreement with your opponents. Get over it.

Meanwhile, the ongoing theatrics of make-believe world where a bill dictated by one side of the aisle really has a chance of carrying the day is adding to the likelihood of severe damage to the economy.

bayam on July 21, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Meanwhile, the ongoing theatrics of make-believe world where a bill dictated by one side of the aisle really has a chance of carrying the day is adding to the likelihood of severe damage to the economy.

bayam on July 21, 2011 at 9:48 PM

So far, the Republicans have offered a budget, the Ryan plan, and a scoreable framework (CCB/BBA) for real economic reforms.

The Democrats have countereed with vague, unscorable outlines and frameworks.

How do you get you are doing it wrong out of these facts?

massrighty on July 21, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Boehner will cave. Chain smoker from large family just wants to play golf have fun. Get me out of here he’s thinking. He’ll cave, bet on it.

steveracer on July 21, 2011 at 10:18 PM

So far, the Republicans have offered a budget, the Ryan plan, and a scoreable framework (CCB/BBA) for real economic reforms.

The Democrats have countereed with vague, unscorable outlines and frameworks rich people are bad and must be punished in the name of fairness, otherwise corporate jets will be the end of us all.

massrighty

FIFY.

xblade on July 21, 2011 at 11:02 PM

I Can’t even stand looking at Boner’s squish face anymore.

It’s just a matter of time before he:

1. Caves because he’s once again bamboozeled by the Dem’s on the numbers.

-or–

2. Caves because he’s once again worried about appearences.

He’s a squish…..he will cave, just like he has in the past….he can’t wait to make a deal.

Our leadership blows.

Tim_CA on July 21, 2011 at 11:10 PM

I Can’t even stand looking at Boner’s squish face anymore.

It’s just a matter of time before he:

1. Caves because he’s once again bamboozeled by the Dem’s on the numbers.

-or–

2. Caves because he’s once again worried about appearences.

He’s a squish…..he will cave, just like he has in the past….he can’t wait to make a deal.

Our leadership blows.

Tim_CA on July 21, 2011 at 11:10 PM

HS Boehner already caved… He never gave CCB a chance & the Senate Dem’s have an out for either tabling or voting down CCB this weekend…

A House leadership aide, meanwhile, told National Journal that Boehner is letting House Republicans know that he will unveil a debt-ceiling plan to them during their closed-door conference on Friday. Details of what he will lay out are not immediately known.

Since now this secret plan puts the tail back on the House Republicans to accept… The Senate Dem’s & Obama are off the hook for the CCB…

Guess for HS Boehner a Republican Win means Republicans get to increase the debt ceiling… Can’t wait for the MSM to tell us just how great HS Boehner is & how he won by letting the Dem’s off the hook via CCB….

Y314K on July 22, 2011 at 1:37 AM

and any discussions of backup plans have been just that … discussions of backup plans.

The default backup plan is to return to spending at about the FY 2004 level, a time when George Bush was fighting two wars and was accused of spending like a drunken sailor.

Laurence on July 22, 2011 at 7:21 AM

Anyone thinking the Senate will pass CCB? Somehow I think it will. Dingy and the Emperor Failbama Nero will be very upset. They will try to claim victory and look somewhat – lamer -.

I’m hopeful it turns out that way.

dogsoldier on July 22, 2011 at 8:52 AM