Great news: Violent extremists have infiltrated public utilities

posted at 10:35 am on July 21, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The desire of al-Qaeda to hit the US with a major terrorist attack has been well-known since 9/11.  Documents and computer data captured in the mission that killed Osama bin Laden confirmed that the terrorist network wanted to follow up the devastating 9/11 attacks with another spectacular terrorist plot, and that the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks would provide a public-relations coup for the radical Islamists if they could succeed.  According to a Homeland Security report, AQ has been attempting to infiltrate public utility systems to deliver a blow to American infrastructure — and ABC News reports that they may already have people in place to do so:

Sabotage by an insider at a major utility facility, including a chemical or oil refinery, could provide al Qaeda with its best opportunity for the kind of massive Sept. 11 anniversary attack Osama bin Laden was planning, according to U.S. officials.

A new intelligence report from the Department of Homeland Security issued Tuesday, titled Insider Threat to Utilities, warns “violent extremists have, in fact, obtained insider positions,” and that “outsiders have attempted to solicit utility-sector employees” for damaging physical and cyber attacks.

“Based on the reliable reporting of previous incidents, we have high confidence in our judgment that insiders and their actions pose a significant threat to the infrastructure and information systems of U.S. facilities,” the bulletin reads in part. “Past events and reporting also provide high confidence in our judgment that insider information on sites, infrastructure, networks, and personnel is valuable to our adversaries and may increase the impact of any attack on the utilities infrastructure.”

The Boss Emeritus also recalls the case of Sharif Mobley, which ABC references in this report, but also notes that the US didn’t learn much from it:

Last March, I noted the South Jersey Jihadist and al Qaeda-linked radical Sharif Mobley — who held positions at several nuclear power plants in Salem County, NJ.

I’ve also noted the open-borders idiocy at many of these facilities — see my post from six years ago — that allows countless illegal aliens to penetrate security. A similar story out of Arizona just last week underscored the continued laxity[.]

This story involved a nuclear power plant in Maricopa County, where an illegal immigrant who had already been deported once before was given access to the facility:

Alvares was deported in 2000, but paid a human smuggler for re-entry into the U.S., Arpaio says. And last month, Mesa Police cited Alvares for driving on a suspended license.

According to MCSO, Alvares tried to gain access to the nuclear power plant on Monday but was denied because his Mexican driver’s license was expired.

He tried again on Tuesday, this time as a passenger in a contractor’s vehice. He presented an Arizona identification card and was allowed in.

When plant security examined his identification card some time later, they thought it might be fraudulent and called the Sherif’s Office.

That’s not exactly a confidence builder in light of ABC’s story.  We need to start taking security at public utilities a lot more seriously than this indicates.  For that matter, we need to take security on our borders — both of them — a lot more seriously.

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Nothing to see here, folks….move along. Then, after an incident happens, it will be Boooosh’s fault.

search4truth on July 21, 2011 at 10:43 AM

I am really not sure what an infiltrator into any factory or utility could do that would be devastating. This is not to say we shouldn’t be vigilant, but successful infiltration is not likely to occur while carrying large quantities of explosives. An outside attack on these facilities is more worrisome in my view.

And just infiltrating thinking you will sabotage equipment is something that only happens in the movies. Properly designed facilities will shut down instead of blowing up or releasing hazardous components when equipment is tampered with.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 10:43 AM

I sure hope all asians and blacks are on the lookout. Since I’m white I probably wouldn’t notice one of my own.
/DHS video

txhsmom on July 21, 2011 at 10:44 AM

The desire of al-Qaeda to hit the US with a major terrorist attack has been well-known since 9/11 1993.

faraway on July 21, 2011 at 10:44 AM

And big SIS makes a video to be on the lookout for evil white middle class folks

cmsinaz on July 21, 2011 at 10:45 AM

But but..profiling is even more evil.

Oil Can on July 21, 2011 at 10:46 AM

No profiling, now! Remember our 1st Amendment. I suggest an outreach program and eliminating poverty throughout the world

a capella on July 21, 2011 at 10:46 AM

For that matter, we need to take security on our borders — both of them — a lot more seriously.

Yes we do, AZ seems to want to be proactive about this issue.

OmahaConservative on July 21, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Too bad we don’t have any clues as to what ethnicity or religion these infiltrators might have (or have close ties to). That information would probably be helpful in preventing a tragedy.

Oh well.

BuzzCrutcher on July 21, 2011 at 10:49 AM

And big SIS makes a video to be on the lookout for evil white middle class folks

cmsinaz on July 21, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Damned Norwegian-Lutheran terrorists in NoDak are already plotting to make Lutefisk replace BBQ…
/

OmahaConservative on July 21, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Knowing DHS, they’ll issue a directive ordering TSA to increase the number of grope-seatches on 6-year olds and elderly people in wheelchairs at all airport security checkpoints.

pilamaye on July 21, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Bu…Bu…But… we elected Barrack Hussein Obama. I thought his megawatt smile disarmed the bad guys.

Sugar Land on July 21, 2011 at 10:51 AM

In other news, elderly, sick grannies in wheelchairs and children six years old and younger are being groped by TSA.

GrannyDee on July 21, 2011 at 10:52 AM

At first glance, I read:

Violent extremists have infiltrated public employee unions.

Which is also true.

Vashta.Nerada on July 21, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Knowing DHS, they’ll issue a directive ordering TSA to increase the number of grope-seatches on 6-year olds and elderly people in wheelchairs at all airport security checkpoints.

pilamaye on July 21, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Only if they’re White…

sandee on July 21, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Not Coach: One guy caused the worst industrial disaster of all time: Bhopal. Look it up. We need to bar all Muslims from working in these types of facilities. But of course, we won’t do that. So instead we commit suicide by being PC.

fleiter on July 21, 2011 at 10:52 AM

AZ seems to want to be proactive about this issue.

OmahaConservative on July 21, 2011 at 10:46 AM

We’re trying, but it’s tough when the federal government is fighting us at every turn.

Anybody with a few extra bucks can help us by making a donation to our efforts to strengthen border security. Here’s the website:

https://www.buildtheborderfence.com/azborder/index.xhtml

AZCoyote on July 21, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Knowing DHS, they’ll issue a directive ordering TSA to increase the number of grope-seatches on 6-year olds and elderly people in wheelchairs at all airport security checkpoints.

pilamaye on July 21, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Hey, Pilamaye…you beat me to it by one minute. Great minds and all that.

GrannyDee on July 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Obtained? Seems to me like they were ALLOWED!!!

For what purpose? Either these liberals in D.C. are so stupid, they believe open borders are just peachy keen, or they’re willingly letting this happen. Why? In hopes for another attack because they feel the U.S. deserves it, or because they’re hoping for an attack to make Obama a hero? Who the hell knows, but they are playing a very dangerous game, and the American people are the pawns.

capejasmine on July 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Maybe we should stop calling them Islamic terrorists, and start calling them conservative homophobes. Then, they’ll get all manner of background checks…if they ever get in the door.

RBMN on July 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM

AZCoyote on July 21, 2011 at 10:53 AM

GOD Bless your efforts. I’ll throw some money (normally earmarked for RNC) your way.

OmahaConservative on July 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM

When I read the headline my first reaction was…you mean OBAMA and HOLDER and the gang?

katy on July 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM

And here I was, thinking we were spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year in places like Iraq and Afghanistan to… oh, how is it put?… “fight them over there, so we don’t have to fight them over here.”

Turns out we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year in Iraqan d Afghanistan so we don’t have the money to screen our electrical utilities.

Well done!!

/doireallyneedthetag

JohnGalt23 on July 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM

The guy says in the video,

watch out for Al-Qaeda symphatizing employees, especially disgruntled ones

Try names that includes Mohammed or Hussein?
Even today, I’m not so sure about the POTUS.

maynila on July 21, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Violent extremists have infiltrated the government at the highest levels, so why not everywhere else?

Until the Osama Obama regime is dismantled, and appropriate punishments are handed out for treasonous behavior, no institutions in the country are safe.

MrScribbler on July 21, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Go to Drudge for the bigger DHS story:

DHS VIDEO: White middle-class Americans ‘most likely terrorists’

pseudonominus on July 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Obama is intentionally destroying the country. He is working on all fronts.

Infrastructure, economic, education, cultural/moral, racial, security(national and international) and he’s almost got everything in place.

Just needs a little more time…

katy on July 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM

OmahaConservative on July 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Thank you. It’s greatly appreciated.

AZCoyote on July 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Disgruntled muslim employees at nuclear facilities? Good times for everyone!!///

They should be able to sue the racist big whitey companies in US courts & get huge payouts to fund their peaceful sleeper cells. It’s only fair.

(that one dude worked at 5 different plants – mere coincidence for sure.

Ris4victory on July 21, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Next, they’ll tell us our schools are vulnerable.

EYE ROLL>

ORconservative on July 21, 2011 at 11:01 AM

This story involved a nuclear power plant in Maricopa County, where an illegal immigrant who had already been deported once before was given access to the facility:

Yea, and he was here for 15 years before he got the boot. Ruthless.

RDE2010 on July 21, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Just further proof that ‘Big Sis’ running Homeland Security is a unfortunate and dangerous joke!

GFW on July 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM

Obviously, we need to frisk more 6 year olds, white men and old women at airports.

Good Lt on July 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM

I guess this came out to get our minds off the F&F mess that bho, holder, big sis, etc are involved in?
L

letget on July 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM

Obama is intentionally destroying the country. He is working on all fronts.

Infrastructure, economic, education, cultural/moral, racial, security(national and international) and he’s almost got everything in place.

Just needs a little more time…

When we get hit again, this entire administation should be charged as mass murder suspects.

katy on July 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM

VegasRick on July 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM

AZCoyote on July 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM

The least a patriot can do for a state that is acting with great sanity…

OmahaConservative on July 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM

Too bad there’s no way to identify the great majority of the likely terrorists.

exhelodrvr on July 21, 2011 at 11:07 AM

The report categorically states that violent extremists have positions inside utilities, but DHS says they have no specific threats. How could they know that extremists are inside utilities but not know of specific threats?

InterestedObserver on July 21, 2011 at 11:08 AM

I’d be more worried about the Earth Firsters and Sierra Club extremists who are working there.

DJ Rick on July 21, 2011 at 11:09 AM

This story involved a nuclear power plant in Maricopa County, where an illegal immigrant who had already been deported once before was given access to the facility:

Yea, and he was here for 15 years before he got the boot. RuthlessToothless.

RDE2010 on July 21, 2011 at 11:01 AM

FIFY

psrch on July 21, 2011 at 11:12 AM

The day that those planes hit the twin towers, the Pentagon, and crashed in a field not too far away from where I taught, as I watched events unfold with my stunned students, I observed that it wouldn’t be too difficult to destroy water sources and electrical-generating facilities simultaneously. While big events were diverting attention, a secondary co-ordinated attack, not focused on transportation outlets, was entirely feasible.

We have clowns protecting our national security.

onlineanalyst on July 21, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Remember ObaMao saying that we could absorb another attack?

onlineanalyst on July 21, 2011 at 11:21 AM

katy on July 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM

katy on July 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM

wavelength, on same

DanMan on July 21, 2011 at 11:24 AM

And the terrorists in question were gleefully hired by PC HR departments to bolster site “diversity”.

Spartacus on July 21, 2011 at 11:25 AM

I sure hope all asians and blacks are on the lookout. Since I’m white I probably wouldn’t notice one of my own.
/DHS video

txhsmom on July 21, 2011 at 10:44 AM

Beat me to it. We are sonstantly fed a regular dose of Muslims shouldn’t be given extra attention for terroorist activities and such.

Yakko77 on July 21, 2011 at 11:26 AM

OC @ 10:42

Heh :)

cmsinaz on July 21, 2011 at 11:26 AM

This is the Department of Homeland Insecurity, scaremongering. Federal Budgets are going to be cut. All of the Federal Bureaucracies are all going to try and make themselves look indispensable. The first thing any Republican President needs to do upon taking oath of office is, rid us of this Department of Insecurity. Having an over arching huge bureaucracy, that spends it’s time sticking it’s hands down 95 year old wheelchair bound cancer patient’s pants, is not competent to oversee the security of our sovereign nation.

Dr Evil on July 21, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Actually the Greenpeace types have attempted sabotage to chemical plants and refineries beginning a few decades ago. In Texas City, TX one go pass a identifying terrorist module from the local safety council to be able to enter local chemical plants/refineries.

Additionally, one must obtain a TWICS card to work in any manufacturing facility adjacent to a navigable waterway. The background check is via the FBI and goes back 10 years. That law went into effect the 1st day of 2008. This includes ditch diggers.

The infiltration into nuke plants is a red herring. The real damage and much easier to accomplish would be major electrical substations, and transmission lines.

Another vulnerability would be to pipelines at booster stations. There are lots of ex-military who work in this business, and the regulatory agencies. Yes, I met a number of them at a conference being held adjacent to McCain’s first fundraiser/speaking engagement after winning the primary. Seems like 100% of the pipeline safety people were McCain supporters who I met in the lobby. We also discussed some of the pipeline security measures which had been taken since 9/11. You just don’t hear about them, but they are very serious about it.

Kermit on July 21, 2011 at 11:27 AM

I am really not sure what an infiltrator into any factory or utility could do that would be devastating. This is not to say we shouldn’t be vigilant, but successful infiltration is not likely to occur while carrying large quantities of explosives. An outside attack on these facilities is more worrisome in my view.

And just infiltrating thinking you will sabotage equipment is something that only happens in the movies. Properly designed facilities will shut down instead of blowing up or releasing hazardous components when equipment is tampered with.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 10:43 AM

Huh?

Notice how the guy got into the facility… as a passenger in a contractors vehicle.

I think you may be watching too many movies where the big “effect” is a 1 ton bomb or some sort of Bourne Identity explosions…

The information and ability to create havoc and harm can and does occur due to “the small stuff” – and/or the details of anything.

May I present to you a fascinating invention over the past 50+ years… the semiconductor. Responsible for all kinds of thingy’s, like the internet we are using, the computer we use it through, the lights in my house, RFID tagging my headphones purchase… and the code for an electricity grid.

A contractor has all kinds of information and key information that may appear benign, but in fact can be the “smoking gun” of intelligence.

I worry about the guy who doesnt give a chit, has nothing to lose, has zero identity as an “American”, who may not have more than a 10th grade math background… but makes up for it with desire.

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Kermit on July 21, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Yep. I love the part of the embed video though where the guy talks about flipping a switch and a pipeline blows up. Anyone who designed a facility so that flipping a switch blows stuff up should be shot.

Like I posted above and you posted here it is an attack with explosives from the outside or on infrastructure that is the real concern.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Perfect….our safety has been comprimised, but hey….at least all is PC.

Tim_CA on July 21, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Any facility operating its safety circuit using a semiconductor or any other easily manipulated piece of hardware should be shut down immediately. Proper design does not allow for forcing unless you physically rewire things. And this is not an easy task since it would require some decent amount of knowledge to accomplish. The best bet for any would be terrorist is to find a design flaw and manipulate it. But this requires extensive technical skill to accomplish.

Like I said, outside attacks with simple devices like truck bombs are the real threat. Inside attempted sabotage is more likely to result in disruptions of services at the most. But the real problem here is the fact that DHS seems to have no clue how to keep terrorists out of the country to begin with.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Like I posted above and you posted here it is an attack with explosives from the outside or on infrastructure that is the real concern.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 11:34 AM

This is scaremongering – we are supposed to believe that multiple utility departments are not being directed to tighten up their security prior to the 10th anniversary of 9/11? Right no one at any level of government is making any preparations ahead of the anniversary SARC. This BS is being disseminated because there are big cuts coming to government budgets it’s unavoidable. Everyone wants to save their budget – so scare the populace with intelligence that isn’t new news. This is pretty standard procedure. Look at what lengths the ATF went to-to protect their ballooning department budget to make themselves appear indispensable…what is the body count up to on our southern border, over 40,000 dead Mexicans now?

Dr Evil on July 21, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Alternate Headline: Bin Laden Determined to Strike In U.S.

The Mega Independent on July 21, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 11:32 AM
Any facility operating its safety circuit using a semiconductor or any other easily manipulated piece of hardware should be shut down immediately. Proper design does not allow for forcing unless you physically rewire things. And this is not an easy task since it would require some decent amount of knowledge to accomplish. The best bet for any would be terrorist is to find a design flaw and manipulate it. But this requires extensive technical skill to accomplish.

Like I said, outside attacks with simple devices like truck bombs are the real threat. Inside attempted sabotage is more likely to result in disruptions of services at the most. But the real problem here is the fact that DHS seems to have no clue how to keep terrorists out of the country to begin with.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

A semiconductor is a piece of hardware designed and engineered for various funtions – of which code manipulates.

IF I had your admin user/pass for your machine – I could literally fry it with about 5 lines of code in less than 1 minute. Overclock your processor and RAM sticks through a higher rail voltage.. and well – you can roast some marshmellows.

Now AMD didnt create your processor to fry your machine – nor did ASUS when creating your mobo; but some simple code can.

While I am sure there are fail safes and security in place – the hardware engineering and code used arent created anew with every system and/or are based on known algorythms.

It is why the majority of “great hackers” are between the ages of 15-25 from 2nd world country’s.

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 11:53 AM

You fail to understand that a computer is not the hardware that operates in facility. The computer only manipulates it. And a properly designed saftey circuit will not allow manipulation that is dangerous. And any safety circuit operates outside of normal operating circuits. Frying computers does nothing but force an automatic, controlled shutdown.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 11:58 AM

My how times have changed. From family experience:

1) in the mid to late 1980′s working in a nuclear power plant (on the construction side) required at minimum psych testing and medical examination. This was the last nuclear power plant built.

2) maintenance on existing nuc plant reqd a vow that you were not or have been a member of the communist party.

By the early 90′s

hotdax on July 21, 2011 at 12:09 PM

I knew a guy in the 80s that shut down the power plant he worked in twice in one week. The first time by accident, the second time when he was showing his boss how it had happened.

jtdavies on July 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 11:53 AM
You fail to understand that a computer is not the hardware that operates in facility. The computer only manipulates it. And a properly designed saftey circuit will not allow manipulation that is dangerous. And any safety circuit operates outside of normal operating circuits. Frying computers does nothing but force an automatic, controlled shutdown.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Which could be the intent… like a DOS attack – pure volume overload on an intended systems forces a shutdown.

Rolling blackouts have occured throughout the country – due to pure volume on our grid. Half of the east coast was knoocked out in ’03.

So if someone decided to flood the utility grid with a volume based attack – which then had a ripple effect to shut down “unnecessary” services – with some code and or switch of a hardware piece – a vulnerability has been exposed with unintended ramifications.

do I think we are using Commodore 64′s and some DOS code.. no – but the potential is there, even with safety and security measures put in. Factor in goverment entities AND private entities – like contractors who have this info – you place far too much safety in our systems – and very little concern over an attack.

There is a reason why we have teams of “experts” who mine systems all day long for variants and loopholes to the security of those systems. They are there and they know it.

2003 Blackout

Notice at the bottom – the “blame game” that occurred between 2 countries as to how and why it happened. Also note – the rolling blackouts had a dominoe effect, whereas even the backup systems failed Also debnoted – as I mentioned – the volume overflow was too much for the grid to handle – and literally just stopped running. Moores Law in effect here.

This event exposed how inept our grid was – and most importantly – how vulnerable it was – even with precautions in place.

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 12:17 PM

I agree that there is the potential for the disruption of services. But the implied threat from this story is not disruption of service, but catastrophic failures that kill and endanger people. Purposefully causing a meltdown in a nuclear facility would require extensive physical manipulation of hardware and circuitry. That is just not likely unless there is a massive conspiracy involving most of a plants employees.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM

One of Tom Clancy’s books included a great piece on an attack on the Northeast power grid. This resulted in a shutdown of financial markets, which caused a run on the banks and general panic.

Any sabotage of a nuclear power plant, especially one in New Jersey near big population centers, would be worse than 9/11. The media would make people believe everyone within a 100-mile radius was going to die. There is so much irrational fear of radiation that literally everyone who lives in New Jersey and Philadelphia would panic and evacuate, and probably half of New York City would too.

rockmom on July 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Extremist are attacking public utilities, and their initials are EPA.

phreshone on July 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 10:43 AM

It’s not the electronics, it’s the guy opening valves manually and starting fires. If he’s an “insider” he will know which ones to open.

gitarfan on July 21, 2011 at 12:28 PM

No one questions why, this old news has been bundled together, and is being inserted into the news cycle right now? Cut, Cap and Balance just passed the House. There is going to be cuts to the Federal Budget. One of those Departments is Border Security and Department of Homeland Insecurity. They aren’t the only Departments that is going to lose Tax Payer Dollars. People in the Private sector appear to be naive about Government Bureaucracies, and what lengths they will go to – to protect their government positions. Scaremongering making their positions appear to be indispensable. As I recall the LAX bomber was stopped at the Canadian border by an on the ball border agent. It comes down to quality not quantity. But no Government Department wants their budget’s slashed.

According to a Homeland Security report, AQ has been attempting to infiltrate public utility systems to deliver a blow to American infrastructure

Let me translate for everyone, DHS: don’t slash our budget, we are like really necessary, and stuff, look at this report we put together/ They really need to keep those TSA agents on the job, and humiliating the flying public.

Dr Evil on July 21, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 12:17 PM
I agree that there is the potential for the disruption of services. But the implied threat from this story is not disruption of service, but catastrophic failures that kill and endanger people. Purposefully causing a meltdown in a nuclear facility would require extensive physical manipulation of hardware and circuitry. That is just not likely unless there is a massive conspiracy involving most of a plants employees.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM

I guess the point I am making – is a catastrophic meltdown and death could occur through a huge disruption in services. Anything and everything uses an electrical grid – along with hardware, middleware, software and code.

That is the key vulnerability – and combining a lack of cooling event due to power failure = meltdown for a nucelar facility, could create havoc.

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Extremist are attacking public utilities, and their initials are EPA.

phreshone on July 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM
—–
yeah because the last thing you want is environmental standards

Dave Rywall on July 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM

yeah because the last thing you want is environmental standards

Dave Rywall on July 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM

So CO2 is a pollutant?

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Too bad we don’t have any clues as to what ethnicity or religion these infiltrators might have (or have close ties to). That information would probably be helpful in preventing a tragedy.

Oh well.

BuzzCrutcher on July 21, 2011 at 10:49 AM

True…True…Wait a minute (light bulb goes on)….we do have a history of terrorist incidents to glean information from. But alas, we might hurt a few feelings. Better lots of innocents die, than a few be momentarily in-convenienced. So saith the bleeding hearts.

tgharris on July 21, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Violent extremists? Well, duh — utilities are unionized, right?

Crawford on July 21, 2011 at 12:50 PM

I can’t help but think that the DHS is continuing the Obama Admin’s policy of creating “Controlled Chaos.”

CynicalOptimist on July 21, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Wasn’t this sort of thing referred to as scare-mongering about 6-7 years ago?

I wonder what’s changed.

Left Coast Right Mind on July 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM

yeah because the last thing you want is environmental standards

Dave Rywall on July 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM

So CO2 is a pollutant?

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 12:45 PM
——–
Too much of it is, yeah.
It can harm the entire ocean food chain because you see, it – ahh never mind. You’re probably too dim a bulb to get something so simple.

Dave Rywall on July 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM

But don’t worry – Brian Ross and the ace ABC reporting phalanx is hot on the trail of Michele Bachmann’s migraines.

Tell you what, that fuc+wit Obama sure gives me a migraine and millions of Americans too.

Sorry, TRILLIONS of Americans.

Jack Bauer on July 21, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Dave Rywall-

I developed pollution monitoring software early in my career. Making software that satisfied the federal government and state governments was a real challenge. And often individual plants had separate requirements specific to them. In one place in the Code of Federal Regulations our competitors equipment was mandated for a particular plant.

Old plants had looser standards than new plants. Doing a major upgrade to a plant changed the requirements. Deciding which upgrade was a major upgrade was a big argument.

The EPA required reporting of six minute averages. Pennsylvania had one minute averages. Did it improve air quality choosing one over the other? Not any way I could tell.

The state of Kentucky required reports to be submitted on 9-track magnetic tape or punched cards. That was way past the era of mag tape and punched cards. I had a heck of a time finding a tape drive that would attach to my computer.

Standards are one thing but the rules then were absolutely chaotic. I’m sure they are worse now.

jtdavies on July 21, 2011 at 1:11 PM

And just infiltrating thinking you will sabotage equipment is something that only happens in the movies. Properly designed facilities will shut down instead of blowing up or releasing hazardous components when equipment is tampered with.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 10:43 AM

Probably far greater potential for mischief in the spent fuel stored on the back forty because the government is playing games over Yucca Mountain.

slickwillie2001 on July 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Dave Rywall on July 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Of course, of course. I am not one of those edumacated Canuckers. And since being an educated Canucker means being too cowardly to actually debate the point I guess I’ll remain unedumacated and continue to believe that CO2 is vital to life on this planet.

Just one question Mr. Canucker: CO2 levels have been 16 times higher than they are now yet run away global warming did not occur. Instead glaciation was occurring with CO2 levels that high. And arctic ice core analysis indicates that temperature leads CO2 levels, not vice versa as would be expected under the man made myth of anthropogenic global warming. Could you put that giant brain of yours to work and explain why that is? What am this dumb hick missing?

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM

slickwillie2001 on July 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Excellent point.

NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 1:15 PM

2003 Blackout

Notice at the bottom – the “blame game” that occurred between 2 countries as to how and why it happened. Also note – the rolling blackouts had a dominoe effect, whereas even the backup systems failed Also debnoted – as I mentioned – the volume overflow was too much for the grid to handle – and literally just stopped running. Moores Law in effect here.

This event exposed how inept our grid was – and most importantly – how vulnerable it was – even with precautions in place.

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Actually, the 2003 Blackout was All Bush’s Fault-Leftist “reporter” Greg Palast told me so!

http://www.democracynow.org/2003/8/22/investigative_reporter_greg_palast_on_the

Del Dolemonte on July 21, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Violent extremists

To the Feds that could mean someone who carries a pocket version of the Constitution on them.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 21, 2011 at 1:19 PM

yeah because the last thing you want is environmental standards

Dave Rywall on July 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Canada flushes some 200 billion liters of raw sewage directly into natural waterways every year, from the St. Lawrence River to the Strait of Juan de Fuca and the Pacific Ocean. That’s only a fraction of the three trillion liters of sewage Canadians produce annually—about 6 percent, in fact—but it’s still enough to fill more than 40,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

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Canadian Coastal Cities Dump Raw Sewage in the Ocean
A number of municipalities throughout Canada persist in this practice that the Sierra Legal Defence Fund calls a “national disgrace,” particularly coastal cities where for many years the sewage could be dumped in open water and remain out of sight and out of mind for many people.

Unlike the European Union and the United States, Canada has no national standards for sewage treatment that cities and towns must follow. So while some Canadian cities have top-notch sewage treatment facilities, others have none.

Even Montreal, a seemingly world-class city, pumps 900 billion liters of sewage into the St. Lawrence River. Most of it receives primary treatment, which reduces the number of solids somewhat by means of a settling process, but 3.6 billion liters of that total enters the river as untreated raw sewage.

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According to many environmentalists, however, the worst offender in the Canadian landscape is Victoria, the picturesque provincial capital of British Columbia. Not only does Victoria pump its raw sewage directly into the Strait of Juan de Fuca, an arm of the Pacific Ocean, but city officials also claim they are doing the “right and responsible thing” for their community and the environment. They see no reason to change.

So, how about those Vancouver Canucks, Sheetrock? Shut out at home in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. Classy fans, too!

Del Dolemonte on July 21, 2011 at 1:20 PM

Wasn’t this sort of thing referred to as scare-mongering about 6-7 years ago?

I wonder what’s changed.

Left Coast Right Mind on July 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Nothing has changed they are still herding the sheep into the pens GRIN.

I remember back in the day that Americans actually questioned what they read. You know growing up I was told Only believe half of what you read in the newspaper and question the rest…today it’s saturate the news cycle with “The sky is falling”. But every morning I wake up and we all are still here LOL!

I am also waking up to the realization that this country we are all sharing is being people by an inordinate amount of functional idiots.

I was just watching FBN they had on an economist warning that the House Republicans have to cave on raising the debt ceiling, because well if they don’t the sky will fall. They have sent folks in from Moodys to talk to the TEA Party House freshmen to pressure them into caving. Translation, it’s one thing if main street suffers, but no way will wall street – the money folks, going to made to share any of the suffering they have created. All I got out of that segment was some satisfaction, those a holes are finally sweating. They made their corporatist beds, let them lie in them.

Dr Evil on July 21, 2011 at 1:25 PM

Oh, From the headline I thought Butch Napolitano was upset that the Electric Company was hiring veterans.

LegendHasIt on July 21, 2011 at 1:29 PM

Oh, From the headline I thought Butch Napolitano was upset that the Electric Company was hiring veterans.

LegendHasIt on July 21, 2011 at 1:29 PM

LOL!

Dr Evil on July 21, 2011 at 1:31 PM

It can harm the entire ocean food chain because you see, it – ahh never mind. You’re probably too dim a bulb to get something so simple.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Crawford on July 21, 2011 at 1:34 PM

“Too much of it is, yeah.
It can harm the entire ocean food chain because you see, it – ahh never mind. You’re probably too dim a bulb to get something so simple.”

Dave Rywall on July 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM

I LOVE that line of debate!! You’re too stupid to understand the BS I’m about to say so I won’t say it. Classic!!

wirebitersmith on July 21, 2011 at 1:37 PM

Ah, c’mon…didn’t anyone read Patriot Games?

Bob's Kid on July 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Extremist are attacking public utilities, and their initials are EPA.

phreshone on July 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM

There’s the winner!

Tim_CA on July 21, 2011 at 2:43 PM

The Seven Kings are hard at work

tomas on July 21, 2011 at 2:47 PM

The West is slitting its own throat.

infidel4life on July 21, 2011 at 5:37 PM

And just infiltrating thinking you will sabotage equipment is something that only happens in the movies. Properly designed facilities will shut down instead of blowing up or releasing hazardous components when equipment is tampered with.
NotCoach on July 21, 2011 at 10:43 AM

Properly designed is useless and pointless if you are in say maintenance or engineering and you bypass safely interlocks.
It’s not difficult.

DSchoen on July 21, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 12:33 PM

All that true, it doesn’t fit the terrorist model.
Terrorism, for maximum effect, has to be seen, witnessed by the most people possible.
On 911 the 2nd plane didn’t hit the South tower 17 minutes after the North Tower had been hit by hap stance, it was intentional.
AQ wanted the cameras running when the 2nd plane hit so it could be seen live around the world.

A major disruption in services electrical service would have the opposite effect, No one would see it.

DSchoen on July 21, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 12:33 PM
All that true, it doesn’t fit the terrorist model.
Terrorism, for maximum effect, has to be seen, witnessed by the most people possible.
On 911 the 2nd plane didn’t hit the South tower 17 minutes after the North Tower had been hit by hap stance, it was intentional.
AQ wanted the cameras running when the 2nd plane hit so it could be seen live around the world.

A major disruption in services electrical service would have the opposite effect, No one would see it.

DSchoen on July 21, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Huh??? Actually it doesnt need to be “witnessed” for mass effect.

How much footage came form Beirut 1983 bombings, USS Cole, 2 embassies, etc, etc.

To think “we are ok because the net effect isnt captured in pictures” could be the most inept and myopic take on “security”. Hundreds of people died in those events, bad optics and all…

Odie1941 on July 21, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Properly designed is useless and pointless if you are in say maintenance or engineering and you bypass safely interlocks.
It’s not difficult.

DSchoen on July 21, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Yes, but not as simple as flipping a switch either. These facilities are large with several people invovled in the maintenence or engineering. One must somehow hide their nefarious work from all the others the work side by side with. Sabotage of industrial processes is uncommon because of the simple fact it is hard to conceal your actions from those around you.

NotCoach on July 22, 2011 at 8:57 AM

Must be those white middle class Americans the DHS is warning us about.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/dhs-denies-racial-overtones-in-white-middle-class-terrorists-video.html

JeffinSac on July 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM