Coburn rejoins Gang of Six, backs $3.7T plan

posted at 12:15 pm on July 19, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Could the focus of debt-ceiling drama shift to the Senate?  Just one day after Tom Coburn laid out his $9 trillion plan to address the deficit, he has rejoined the Gang of Six and endorsed their new plan calling for $3.7 trillion in deficit reduction.  It includes new tax revenue, but it presents a net reduction thanks to the elimination of the AMT:

Democratic and Republican senators are rallying behind a $3.7 trillion deficit reduction plan unveiled Tuesday morning by the five remaining members of the Gang of Six.

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), who pulled out of the Gang of Six in May, has rejoined the group and praised the plan as something that could win the 60 votes needed to pass the Senate.

“The plan has moved significantly and it’s where we need to be and it’s a start,” Coburn said. “This doesn’t solve our problems but it creates the way forward where we can solve our problems.”

The plan includes increased tax revenues, but Coburn says that the CBO would score it as a net tax cut:

Coburn, however, noted the Congressional Budget Office would score the plan as a $1.5 trillion tax cut because it would eliminate the Alternative Minimum Tax. It would generate a significant amount of revenue out of tax reform and reduction of tax rates, which authors believe would spur economic growth.

I like the idea of eliminating the AMT, which has become a big problem for Congress and taxpayers alike.  When first implemented, the AMT snared only the very wealthy if they got too successful in dodging income tax through sheltering.  Congress didn’t index the tax to inflation, however, which meant that each year the AMT started snagging more and more taxpayers, including small business owners who needed their income to drive business expansion.  It’s also good to see a focus on increasing revenues through increased growth rather than increasing rates.

If the tax portion of this deal offers real reform in the tax code by lowering rates and flattening the system, then this should be popular among many in Congress.  That would be the approach taken by President Obama’s own debt commission, which he ignored entirely, and the approach that I predicted would allow both parties to claim some victories in an eventual deal.  It also tackles entitlement spending, more so now than before Coburn returned; The Hill reports that Coburn demanded that as a price for his return, although the proposal doesn’t offer specifics on how to accomplish it.

Both Republicans and Democrats have offered qualified praise for the plan, including Mike Johanns (R-NE) and Kay Bailey Hutchison.  This could end up being Plan A if the Senate moves quickly on it — and if the details deliver what the Gang of Six has promised.

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I support aggressive changes to current tax code and spending. I want significant changes made to entitlements now, while we have some say, rather than later, when we don’t. However, I also think that we have subtle trolls working on some of these sites. Folks whose rage is void of reason, thick with negativity and very divisive. I’m not talking about people who are trying to foment division between parties, but potential trolls who are feeding into irrational difference within the conservative movement itself. I think these “trolls” would like to watch us fight about where we disagree, more than unify where we DO agree.

pjean on July 19, 2011 at 1:59 PM

It’s almost as if people in his own party are trying to sabotage him. What’s up with that?

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 1:53 PM

His advisers are members of the KKK and they advise him to behave in this way to create the meme that a person of color cannot handle the office….thus preventing the election of another person of color ever again. If Obama, being the best, brightest, clean, and articulate person of color can’t do it, then no person of color can do it.

/s

csdeven on July 19, 2011 at 1:59 PM

bayam on July 19, 2011 at 1:56 PM

What BS. There goes the thread.
So, we are supposed to do what the credit agencies say? Now there’s an independent group for you. Barf.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 19, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Look, the only thing between Barry and total defeat is the Senate. The House can hold votes from now until the end of time, but if nothing comes up in the Senate, President Demagogue still has his BS talking points. So today we get a vote in the House on their plan, and if we get a Senate vote on the Coburn plan, President Demagogue is boxed in with nowhere to go. He’s got two plans on the table, neither of which he likes. He can come up with one of his own — and looking at the polls it HAS to include spending cuts — or the public finally figures out that HE has been the problem all along. Barry knows this, thus the hastily arranged press briefing this morning. He’s getting outmaneuvered here, and it is freaking him and his handlers out.

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Well it’s the only plan that nears the $4 tril mark, the number widely seen as necessary to prevent the credit rating agencies from downgrading US debt, which would have very negative repercussions for the economy.

bayam on July 19, 2011 at 1:56 PM

The ratings agency also say that the bigger problem is the unsustainable spending/borrowing. The debt ceiling is mentioned but it doesn’t solve the problem in reality or in the minds of the ratings agencies.

gwelf on July 19, 2011 at 2:08 PM

I dare to be hopeful! Saying prayers!

Minorcan Maven on July 19, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 2:07 PM

He painted himself into a corner all he can do is look for some face saving measure. He thought he could bluff his way through the Republican House Firewall. Don’t call my bluff Eric….

Senator Rubio signaled what was coming next – where is the piece of paper with the President’s plan so we can read it.

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 2:12 PM

And, I would add that Barry made the huge mistake today of saying the Coburn plan is “a start,” but of course he wants more tax increases, more spending, fewer cuts — but the plan is looking like it has enough democrat support to get it through. Coburn and the GOP look reasonable; Barry looks like the guy Steve Wynn described yesterday. He is imploding.

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Obama has bought Coburn’s plan:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/272211/obama-praises-gang-six-plan-andrew-stiles

So he’s given up on his insistence on tax increases.

gh on July 19, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Well it’s the only plan that nears the $4 tril mark, the number widely seen as necessary to prevent the credit rating agencies from downgrading US debt, which would have very negative repercussions for the economy.

bayam on July 19, 2011 at 1:56 PM

I believe that we are being manipulated just like we were when the first bailout passed. Bush bailed out the old money movers and shakers because they own our politicians and politicians protect themselves before any other consideration. If we didn’t bail them out, they would have tried a different way to protect themselves. If they failed, so be it. There would have been thousands of Americans standing in line to buy up assets at fire sale prices.

The same is true here…..the people who control the money will do whatever they need to do to survive. They prefer to get us to foot the bill by scaring us. I say we call their bluff and watch them go to their plan B.

csdeven on July 19, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Senator Rubio signaled what was coming next – where is the piece of paper with the President’s plan so we can read it.

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 2:12 PM

I don’t fully agree with this line of attack. Obama can put out a plan that is all smoke and mirrors, and the media will say “President’s Plan Saves the Most Money!” and people will buy it. One thing this White House can do — with what Michelle Obama called their “fortunate” help from the media — is convince people that up is down, hot is cold, day is night. I’m much more interested in seeing him reject both House and Senate plans, the latter of which has bipartisan support, and try to spin that.

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 2:17 PM

So he’s given up on his insistence on tax increases.

gh on July 19, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Ahem, that’s revenue enhancers to you LOL!

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 2:18 PM

What does this plan do to the home mortgage deduction? I am a man of moderate means, but I live in Southern California, and I bought an expensive house that I can afford – under the tax regime that has been in place for my entire lifetime. But, even if they phase it out for mortgages over $500,000, that would devastate my property value and cost me five figures in additional taxes. I am not a fat cat and I never did anything to anyone, but this change will cost me my house. I would not be alone. Many would be devastated. We do not deserve to be punished for trusting in the consistency of the rule of law.

tommylotto on July 19, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Well said.
GaltBlvnAtty on July 19, 2011 at 12:40 PM

No, not at all.

Let’s get this straight–you have been freeloading off the tax code for years with the home mortgage interest deduction, and now you’re whining? And what about that other California subsidy that caps real estate taxes, called Proposition 13? How about that one, Mr. Self-Reliant?

You also get the privelege of paying zero percent capital gains tax on the first $500,000 of profits (for married couples) if you sell your principal residence after living in it 5 years. And then you can avoid capital gains tax again in 5 years, if you make money on your next house. While other people pay at least 15% on their capital gains, you would pay 0%–and you’re complaining?

Most likely, you bought a house in Southern California because you thought you were going to make a killing in real estate. You didn’t. You bought an expensive house that you could afford, as you say, but that doesn’t mean that you didn’t pay way too much for the house in the first place.

They don’t have a home mortgage interest deduction in the UK, and their property values bubbled even higher than in the US.

You may not know it yet, but how do you know your property value isn’t devastated now? Try selling your house, and pay off the mortgage. You think you’ll have anything left?

Emperor Norton on July 19, 2011 at 2:19 PM

So he’s given up on his insistence on tax increases.

gh on July 19, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Oh, no. He’s selling this as being “consistent with the approach that I’ve urged,” which means Coburn and the GOP have to work 10 times harder to tell voters that this was NOT the plan Obama wanted — because he wanted HUGE tax increases and no spending cuts — but that it was the best they could do until he loses re-election in 2012. It is going to be really, really crucial here that the GOP take strong swipes at every effort by Obama to take credit.

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 2:18 PM

I don’t see anything on the debt ceiling in the description of Coburn’s “plan”. So I think we can call it a “2011 budget” from the senate. So far the good thing is that Obama has backed down.

However, there is still the debt ceiling (unless I’m wrong). Since this is a 2011 budget, the GOP should insist that the debt ceiling be lifted only enough to take them through to April 2012. Obama also insisted he would veto that so it will be useful to back him down there as well.

gh on July 19, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 2:23 PM

I don’t care what he says. The media will run cover for him. The point is that he has lost a big fight. That doesn’t help him in any way.

gh on July 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 2:17 PM

It’s too complicated an issue for him to boil down to say “Yes We Can” SMILE. And with the artificial time frame Timmy created, there just isn’t enough time to salt and saturate, the media, to the degree they would need to, to get the results they desire.

The Republicans message is simple, stop borrowing and spending and taxing us into a Greek style tragedy. I bet there is even a Classical Greek Tragedy they could use as analogy.

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Well said RT

cmsinaz on July 19, 2011 at 2:30 PM

The ONLY reason this is a story today is to take attention away from the vote in the House.

Obama, the Democrats, and the MEDIA are DESPERATE to keep the people from even thinking about the cut, cap, and balance plan.

That plan effectively ENDS the totalitarian dream of the socialist left in this country!

Freddy on July 19, 2011 at 2:30 PM

gh on July 19, 2011 at 2:23 PM

The Gang of Six was put together after Obama ignored his committees recommendations on the federal debt, the Simpson/Bowels report -also bipartisan. Once in awhile Obama will even mention Simpson and Bowels report as a starting point a blueprint but nothing specific. Rubio nailed Obama, where’s the plan, where is the specifics, let us read it.

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Fool! The AMT will just be added back in at the last minute, and then Republicans will have to publicly choose between “new tax cuts for the rich” and disabled veterans on social security.

elfman on July 19, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Again, reading some lefty sites, they are seeing this as a total cave by Obama. Barry blinked. Me likey! I like my socialist presidents neutered and scared.

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Again, reading some lefty sites, they are seeing this as a total cave by Obama. Barry blinked. Me likey! I like my socialist presidents neutered and scared.

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 2:32 PM

They think he caved because tax rates didn’t go to 99% for anyone making over $100K a year. Libtards will never be happy. That doesn’t mean this is a good deal for us.

angryed on July 19, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 2:32 PM

The only way the Left sees a win is if they force the Republicans to get rid of the Bush tax cuts. They know that’s a non starter. Obama will take his share of the blame if the country defaulted on our debts, along with the Democrats so defaulting is a fruitless threat.

Obama’s face saver , finding something he can call revenue enhancers in the Gang of 6′s plan. Although he maybe excited about the plan, that doesn’t mean the House Republicans will embraces it.

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Save over $1.6 Trillion-a-year by shutting it down…

Karmi on July 19, 2011 at 2:44 PM

Rubio nailed Obama, where’s the plan, where is the specifics, let us read it.

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 2:30 PM

That’s a very good poing for two reasons.

1. We all know Barry is far too lazy.
2. Rubio is suddenly looking like a big threat. He’s everything Barry is not. So by taking the gang of six’s plan he can reduce the media attention going to Rubio.

gh on July 19, 2011 at 2:48 PM

What would Rubio do?

Terrie on July 19, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Well it’s the only plan that nears the $4 tril mark, the number widely seen as necessary to prevent the credit rating agencies from downgrading US debt, which would have very negative repercussions for the economy.

bayam on July 19, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Wrong, as usual. It’s true we need to cut at least $4 tril over the ten-year budget window, but Ryan’s plan – already passed by the House – cuts more, as does the Coburn proposal yesterday.

Adjoran on July 19, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Obama isn’t intelligent enough to put together a budget. Neither is anyone in his Regime. Only 22% of his appointees have any experience in the private sector at all, the lowest in nearly a century, and most of those were just private attorneys who only know how to suck the blood of the productive.

Adjoran on July 19, 2011 at 3:03 PM

I get real nervous when something is done behind closed doors. Do we get to read this before it is voted on? The plan calls for a top rate of 29%. Sounds great, but what is the scale, when does it kick in? It would be easy to end up paying more with a reduced top rate if the bracket range was set just right. Count me unimpressed and if this passes without review and we find these details out later, then the GOP just sunk their own battleship. We are still finding out just how much ObamaCare is going to cost. Let’s not repeat that experiment unless you want the country to blow its lid.

gmerits on July 19, 2011 at 3:09 PM

Obama isn’t intelligent enough to put together a budget. Neither is anyone in his Regime. Only 22% of his appointees have any experience in the private sector at all, the lowest in nearly a century, and most of those were just private attorneys who only know how to suck the blood of the productive.
Adjoran on July 19, 2011 at 3:03 PM

I agree with this. I don’t think obama is too lazy to make a budget or he is avoiding it for political reasons. I really think he doesn’t know what he is doing and has no experience or qualities of leadership.

redeye on July 19, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Obama is hailing this plan.

What does that tell you?

darwin on July 19, 2011 at 3:13 PM

I’ll stop being PO’d when I see a $17 Trillion plan… Pink-slips galore…

phreshone on July 19, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Emperor Norton on July 19, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Yours is a harsh characterization of someone who has lived by the rules and now is seriously threatened by an agenda-driven change in the rules. Maybe tommylotto’s mistake was in not understanding the rule that there are no rules with respect to what our government will do.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 19, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Anytime I hear about these gangs, I cringe.

gatorfanatic on July 19, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Standard and Poor has just demanded a “credible $4T deal” (presumably this means spending cut over 10 years) within 3 months or they will downgrade.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/272202/real-sp-warning-4-trillion-deal-or-downgrade-veronique-de-rugy

Surely Obama had advance warning … so that explains his caving.

gh on July 19, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Thinking some more about the makeup of this version of the Gang of Slicks:

Dick Durbin: SuperDouche Fringe-Liberal Nitwit.
Kent Conrad: On this way to oblivion and anonymity. Nothing.
Mark Warner: Wow…all three have four-letter first names and six-letter last names.

Mike Crapper: Idaho RINO
Saxby Chambliss: Georgia RINO
Coburn: TBD

Three liberal nitwits, two RINO-liberals, and Coburn.

Jaibones on July 19, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Actually, it makes sense that Coburn and pals also saw this coming.

gh on July 19, 2011 at 3:42 PM

someone who has lived by the rules and now is seriously threatened by an agenda-driven change in the rules

Yes, I would agree that he’s lived by the rules. Yes, a change in the rules could affect him adversely. Yes, the government can’t be trusted much of the time. But it’s not someone else’s fault if he paid too much for the house.

And if he did, he may not have been tempted to do so, except for the existence of the home mortgage interest deduction.

Emperor Norton on July 19, 2011 at 3:52 PM

csdeven on July 19, 2011 at 1:44 PM

And the US Constitution is written at an 8th grade reading level for an agrarian culture of the late 1700s… and yet we need lawyers and judges to understand it now… That should signal exactly how far our education system has fallen.

dominigan on July 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Man, Drudge is getting more and more conservative. His big red blaring headline right now: Senate Huddles to Hike Taxes.

I don’t think he likes the deal!

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 4:01 PM

i haven’t gotten thru Coburn’s entire thing. It is extremely long, Extremely detailed.

There’s not a pol in DC that will support this thing…the left will go hysterical…their government friends, family and relatives will be hurt, laid off. I mean their talentless hack family members who got lucky or who had the connections to get a lucrative, cushy, job with the leviathan government will get reined in a little

http://coburn.senate.gov/public//index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=c6590d01-017a-47b0-a15c-1336220ea7bf

r keller on July 19, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Man, Drudge is getting more and more conservative. His big red blaring headline right now: Senate Huddles to Hike Taxes.

Rational Thought on July 19, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Really? The disconnect between his headlines and the Reuters garbage that he links to are stunning. Just like his non-stop Guardian links. Might as well be linking to The Nation.

Jaibones on July 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Six Republican Senators want to be the tax collectors for the Democrats.

Tea Party, primary them!

RJL on July 19, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Having Kay Bailey on board does not indicate any notion of conservatism.

DanMan

Pfft. Forget Kay Bailey, what does having Obama aboard tell you?

“Obama described the plan as “good news,” adding that it was “broadly consistent” with the approach he had endorsed for reducing the deficit.”

That should tell you all you need to know about this plan.

What kind of new tax revenue?

Emperor Norton

That part was conveniently left out. Just an oversight, I’m sure.

Now imagine if congress indexed the elgilibilty age for Medicare and SocSec to life expectancy from the start of those programs.

WashJeff

It would be an even bigger ripoff than it is now.

Meanwhile, why are we abdicating the power of the one part of congress we control, the House, to a part of congress we don’t control, the Senate?

xblade on July 19, 2011 at 4:26 PM

from NRO’s Robert Costa re a conversation with Sen. Coburn:

After a meeting with over 50 senators this morning, Coburn is confident that there is a growing consensus to use the proposal as a debt-limit solution. “You never see people’s ultimate position until you get down to where this is the last move on the chessboard,” he says. “That is when people will expose what they are willing to do.”

Coburn acknowledges that the “Gang of Six” plan will not be immediately popular in the House, where Republicans hope to pass “Cut, Cap, and Balance,” a Republican Study Committee package, later today. But after having four long conversations with President Obama this week and consulting with senators, he believes that the “Gang of Six” plan has a real chance of being passed.

Coburn is the senator who not too long ago lamented that these negotiations are not a game. Then he uses a game analogy.

I have not doubt that he is a fiscal conservative, BUT he has always struck me as more concerned with senatorial collegiality. He entered the Senate as a freshman with Obama, and for some reason that “friendship” has informed and distorted his judgment. Wouldn’t you love to know the substance of those “four long conversations with President Obama this week”? Coburn seems to be well-meaning but naive.

onlineanalyst on July 19, 2011 at 4:36 PM

er, no doubt

onlineanalyst on July 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Three liberal nitwits, two RINO-liberals, and Coburn.

Jaibones on July 19, 2011 at 3:41 PM

There you have it.

onlineanalyst on July 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM

Local talk radio hosts in Atlanta are all over Chambliss for this, giving out his office numbers and urging listeners to make calls.

slickwillie2001 on July 19, 2011 at 4:51 PM

The plan includes increased tax revenues, but Coburn says that the CBO would score it as a net tax cut

Um, guys – it doesn’t matter how the CBO scores it – we know that the CBO is allowed to score things only the way they are told to, not according to any semblance to reality. They’ve admitted this, and we know it from past ‘scores’ where the CBO counted some revenue streams more than once, didn’t count some expenses, scored things the way Senators instructed them to despite the knowledge that it wouldn’t even happen (‘doc fix’), etc.

CBO scores mean *nothing*, period. In fact, you can rely on them to be gamed numbers; if the politicians like the CBO score, you can bet that reality will be far, far less favorable to the taxpayer.

Midas on July 19, 2011 at 4:53 PM

dominigan on July 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM

We need (?) judges and lawyers because judges and lawyers made such a mess with their interpretations.

chemman on July 19, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Too much tax increase, not enough cuts. Too much effort to save government rice bowls.

CatoRenasci on July 19, 2011 at 4:58 PM

I’ve got a brrilliant plan. Why don’t we impose a ceiling on the amount of debt the federal government can accumulate, and once they reach that point, they can’t borrow any more, and have to finally cut spending.

Oh, wait…

Vashta.Nerada on July 19, 2011 at 4:59 PM

I don’t see the majority of TEA Party House Republicans voting for this. All spending starts in the House. The Senate can offer up plan after plan, but it’s got to start and pass in the House first.

Separation of Powers, The founders were geniuses

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Thia is not a spending bill. It is a merely a framework to develop such legislation.

“Article 1, Section 7: All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.; …”

Dasher on July 19, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Silence, still, from the Tea Party Republican members of congress. I hope they are speaking to each other about standing firm against this proposal.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 19, 2011 at 5:50 PM

On Hannity this afternoon, Rep. Mike Pence, Sen. Jim DeMint, and Sen. Rand Paul offered the most compelling reasons why this Gang of Six idiocy should never even be given credence.

Rand Paul is gaining my admiration every time he discusses the budget issues. He mentioned also that there is a bill on tap that will require the president/Treasury to prioritize the payments to the very recipients that the Thug-in-Chief is threatening with his scare tactics.

onlineanalyst on July 19, 2011 at 5:52 PM

“Article 1, Section 7: All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.; …”

Dasher on July 19, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Have you read this thread? I have made that same point more than once. It does’t matter what plan they massage and pass in the Senate, it’s got to pass in the House before it ever makes it’s way to the President’s desk. The TEA party majority in the Republican controlled House have stated they won’t vote to raise the debt limit.

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 6:06 PM

It’s a sad state of affairs when this Republic cannot solve its problems through normal legislative deliberations but has to resort to a small, fragmented task force. As for Obama . . . he does nothing. He just sits back and lets others develop solutions. He is without a doubt the most inept, lazy do nothing president in the history of this country.

rplat on July 19, 2011 at 6:30 PM

He is without a doubt the most inept, lazy do nothing president in the history of this country.

rplat on July 19, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Hold on there, he has been busy….Campaigning LOL!

Dr Evil on July 19, 2011 at 7:03 PM

bayam on July 19, 2011 at 1:56 PM

What BS. There goes the thread.
So, we are supposed to do what the credit agencies say? Now there’s an independent group for you.

Is that right? You don’t think that lower credit ratings on first federal and then undoubtedly corporate debt will bring even more stree to this already fragile economy? I’d like to know more about the basis for that conclusion because it’s hard to comprehend. The cost of credit to government, corporations, small business, and consumers is a major factor for most economists in forecasting economic growth.

bayam on July 19, 2011 at 7:23 PM

I’m not sure that the Tea Party oriented members can beat Boehner plus RINOs plus democrats in the House.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 19, 2011 at 7:27 PM

and if the details deliver what the Gang of Six has promised.

You mean they’ll actually read the bill before they vote for it?

jeffersonschild on July 19, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Tea Party people have to learn that you don’t always get all of what you want in politics. No one I know has ever gotten everything. It is compromise with both parties whether people want to admit it or not.

We saw what it was like to have Democrats ran through things that we couldn’t stop. Why would we want to do the same thing instead of being willing to talk and work out a plan that no one gets 100% of what they want.

Dr. Coburn has always been for what is best for Oklahoma and the Country — all of Oklahoma not just supporters. He is the most honorable politician I know who is willing to work across the aisle if it will benefit the Country. He is not a grandstander and he is willing to take small steps to get larger ones later on. He was one of the few Republicans fighting Pres Bush on his wanting to spend more. The big difference with Dr. Coburn is he has a plan while others just talk and grandstand. I would vote for him in a heartbeat if he ran again but he term limited himself.

Tea Party people are to quick to judge without reading and going after Republicans instead of Democrats especiallyin the Senate races is dumb as it it is to elect the most conservative candidate who cannot win.

I am originally from John Boehner’s district and any National Tea Party trying to take him out will be met by resistance of a lot of voters. Most of my family still lives in district and would work 24/7 to get him reelected.

Cannot believe some Tea Party people are more concerned about Republicans than liberal Democrats. The ‘my way or now way’ crowd doesn’t work and neither does the caucus of ‘no’ to quote Paul Ryan. You don’t go into a negotiation and have part of your conference say they will vote no on anything that is agreed to on the debt ceiling. That would be like playing poker and revealing your hand.

PhiKapMom on July 19, 2011 at 8:03 PM

Since details on the plan of the Gang of Six is not known, here is a Summary:

http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/the-gang-of-six-is-back-from-the-dead-contemplating-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-in-their-budget-plan/

Must be why “some” like it.

bluefox on July 19, 2011 at 8:09 PM

Vote on CCB 234 For 190 Against Until Roll Call Vote is out, All but 9 R’s voted for it and 5 D’s voted for it.

Bill # 2560

bluefox on July 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Cannot believe some Tea Party people are more concerned about Republicans than liberal Democrats.

PhiKapMom on July 19, 2011 at 8:03 PM

We can rely upon the liberal Democrats to be craven, cowardly, political, reality-oblivious prevaricating spendthrifts who seem hell-bent on destroying our economy and our freedoms. When they do, then, behave that way, it neither surprises nor disappoints us because we don’t expect better from them.

When the Republicans behave that way, yes, they’re going to catch more hell from us about it.

Midas on July 19, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Six Chef Debt Recipe:
Into one large pot, blend
1 gallon snake oil
1 plate of peas
6 talking turkeys, well masticated
Reduce over heated burner
Use as glaze over smoked pork hocks

Serves: Self+1 per minute

williars on July 19, 2011 at 11:19 PM

Tea Party people have to learn that you don’t always get all of what you want in politics. No one I know has ever gotten everything. It is compromise with both parties whether people want to admit it or not.

PhiKapMom on July 19, 2011 at 8:03 PM

We borrowed 43% of our budget this year; are you too stupid to comprehend the insanity of this?

Jaibones on July 20, 2011 at 12:06 AM

Sen. Jeff Sessions is (rightfully) skeptical of the gangs’ plan: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/272237/sessions-skeptical-gangs-proposal-andrew-stiles

Any “deal” with Durbin’s fingerprints on it should be avoided at all costs.

onlineanalyst on July 20, 2011 at 12:32 AM

I’m from Oklahoma, and conservative.
Coburn proves to us, yet again, that he is a sell-out!

Mark7788 on July 20, 2011 at 12:48 AM

In some of the big cities, Law Enforcement have some pretty major “Gang Task Forces” intended to cut down on innocent people being hurt by the criminal gangs.

Apparently neither the D.C. Police Department, nor the Capitol Police care about controlling the gangs that prey upon the innocent.

LegendHasIt on July 20, 2011 at 3:02 AM

Fool! The AMT will just be added back in at the last minute, and then Republicans will have to publicly choose between “new tax cuts for the rich” and disabled veterans on social security.

elfman on July 19, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Has the smell of a worm on a hook, doesn’t it?

Only a caviar eater would grab for the worm, when there are so many other more universally palatable fish in the sea

Om terms of priorities, the AMT is so far down the list of what the disgruntled public wants fixed first, is is tragic.

Economy in the tank? Folk jobless and suffering? Hey let’s cut Social Security! Reaching the point of no return? Treasury notes fail to auction? Hey, lets raise the debt ceiling to make Obama look like a big spender! Throw in a repeal of the Alternative Minimum Tax. It’s not like that can be demagoged

entagor on July 20, 2011 at 3:41 AM

I’m from Oklahoma, and conservative. Coburn proves to us, yet again, that he is a sell-out!

Mark7788 on July 20, 2011 at 12:48 AM

I don’t see any other way to look at this. The plan is crap, and Coburn is pissing on his own leg by endorsing it.

Jaibones on July 20, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Coburn is Obama’s butt budy!

MCGIRV on July 20, 2011 at 1:46 PM

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