Obama: 80% of the people want some tax hikes

posted at 2:10 pm on July 15, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama tried to claim ownership of the mighty middle in today’s press conference while casting opposition on both ends as extreme. In response to a question from Chuck Todd, Obama said that 80% of Americans support his “balanced approach” to deficit reduction and the debt-ceiling increase. But is this really true? Via RCP:

“The American people are sold,” President Obama said.

“The American people are sold, I just want to repeat that.”

“You have 80% of the American people who support a balanced approach. 80% of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren’t sold is not the problem. The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically.”

Frankly, it appears that the problem is that members of the West Wing can’t do math. The latest national survey on the topic came from Gallup, which expressed some support for the “balanced” approach, but hardly showed 80% of Americans backing tax hikes — excuse me, “revenue increases.”

Americans’ preferences for deficit reduction clearly favor spending cuts to tax increases, but most Americans favor a mix of the two approaches. Twenty percent favor an approach that relies only on spending cuts and 4% favor an approach that uses tax increases alone.

That puts 76%, not 80%, somewhere in between the two points.  But Gallup breaks this out more effectively:

  • Only/Mostly with spending cuts: 50%
  • Only/Mostly with tax increases: 11%

Only 32% prefer a balance between spending cuts and tax increases, which added to the bottom option would still tilt the public far more in favor of spending cuts, 50/43.  Among independents — the most non-ideological group possible in this survey — it’s 51/41, a wider split. This is hardly a public that is “sold, sold!” on tax hikes.

And that’s just in the Gallup poll.  Two months ago, The Hill conducted its own poll that showed opposition to tax hikes  at 45%, with only 13% favoring an even split between tax hikes and spending cuts to solve the deficit problem, with another 11% supporting a 2/1 split for spending cuts to tax hikes, and 15% for a 3/1 split.  Even under the most liberal (pun intended) definition of “balanced,” only 39% in that poll opted for the idea.

Obama has fallen very clearly out of step with the American public on spending and taxes, and the 80% remark just demonstrates his cluelessness.

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Are you telling me that the President lied to me, Ed?

Knucklehead on July 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Since when did the truth matter to Obama?

sandee on July 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Let’s start with the 47% that don’t pay taxes. You know Share the burden.

barnone on July 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Pols don’t care what 80% of Americans want.

They care what 51% of voters want

Aquateen Hungerforce on July 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Obama has fallen very clearly out of step with the American public on spending and taxes, and the 80% remark just demonstrates his cluelessness.

You sum it up so well Capt. Ed..:)

Dire Straits on July 15, 2011 at 2:14 PM

I could never be a White House reporter – I would have laughed out loud when he said that.

I wonder if he even knows when he’s telling the truth anymore.

gophergirl on July 15, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Sarah Palin tweets:

Obama lies, economy dies. He says “default’s catastrophic” then opposes deal to avert it. Nonsense. Gold stars to GOP trying to deal w/this.

Emperor Norton on July 15, 2011 at 2:14 PM

At this point he’s only trying to convince himself.

Caiwyn on July 15, 2011 at 2:14 PM

50% of the American people don’t pay any federal taxes.
Of course they have no problem with tax increases.

itsnotaboutme on July 15, 2011 at 2:14 PM

They only polled people making above $250k, right?

rogerb on July 15, 2011 at 2:14 PM

barnone on July 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Good point!..:)

Dire Straits on July 15, 2011 at 2:14 PM

“And 157 percent love me.” — Obama

John the Libertarian on July 15, 2011 at 2:15 PM

“The American people are sold!”

So they’re finally admitting that they’re enslaving us? ’bout time.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 15, 2011 at 2:15 PM

sandee on July 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Nov 6, 2012.

gh on July 15, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Who did he sell us to? The Chinese?

eforhan on July 15, 2011 at 2:15 PM

You lie.

Vashta.Nerada on July 15, 2011 at 2:15 PM

“I is president. Math is what I say it is”

“I always have hope. Don’t you remember my campaign? [laughter] Even after being here for two and a half years, I continue to have hope. You know why I have hope? It’s because of the American people.”

Indeed, they are stupid. They elected an empty bag like you. They will enable your billionaire lifestyle, based on nada. It’s the travesty to the world.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:16 PM

80% want tax hikes?

Hold a vote to immediately repeal all of the Bush tax cuts.

El_Terrible on July 15, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Link, to substantiate your stupidity. Elect him again and suffer, along with yer progeny.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:17 PM

…the 80% remark just demonstrates his cluelessness.

Wrong. He gets away with lying over and over. Only Fox, Rush and the wingnut web mentions it. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

cartooner on July 15, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Wrong, ZerØbama, most people are smarter than you.

FloatingRock on July 15, 2011 at 2:17 PM

The Anti-War crowd is not doing much lately. Maybe they can be re-purposed into doing Pro-Tax demonstrations on street corners for Obama.

The Chewbacca Defense on July 15, 2011 at 2:17 PM

I am glad to see Obama saying that the federal government has to treat this situation like any family would.

To solve my problem I forced my employer to give me a raise, borrowed more money from the bank, and continued with my lavish lifestyle.

WashJeff on July 15, 2011 at 2:18 PM

I bet if someone did a poll asking people if their taxes remained the same or went lower while everyone else’s went up over 90% would approve. And this pinhead would claim that as public support for his disastrous policies.

NotCoach on July 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM

50% of the American people don’t pay any federal taxes.
Of course they have no problem with tax increases.

itsnotaboutme on July 15, 2011 at 2:14 PM

I have a family member that falls into that category. They scream about “fair share” but don’t pay a penny.

For family unity man do I have bite marks in my tongue LOL!

gophergirl on July 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM

That reminds me of the old saying… 63.7% of all statistics are made up on the fly.

(Like this one, lol)

jeffn21 on July 15, 2011 at 2:20 PM

There is a very extreme difference in ‘want tax hikes’ and ‘would accept tax hikes’.

It is time for the deadbeats to pay: those that pay no federal taxes that earn something must now help to spread their wealth around to get us ALL out of this mess. It can’t be done without them.

ajacksonian on July 15, 2011 at 2:20 PM

He and his can not do math, can’t spell, can’t speak. They are clueless on the economy, how jobs are created…all they know is how socialism/communism makes sheeple who’ll vote for all around destruction.

Vote them back in and suffer fools. You deserve no less, nor does yer progeny.

Such need to be eradicated and shunned, alas.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:21 PM

80% of the American people are sold to the highest bidder…

Obama is awesome…

Fallon on July 15, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Calling the GE CEO scumbag.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:21 PM

jeffn21 on July 15, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Thought it was 75%.

publiuspen on July 15, 2011 at 2:22 PM

There are lies, damend lies and Obama.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:22 PM

And the lsm claims it gospel, asking this to the gop folks who show up on their sjo

cmsinaz on July 15, 2011 at 2:22 PM

He’s absolutely right. I hate to say it but he’s right. 100% correct.

The American people have been sold.

bds1976 on July 15, 2011 at 2:22 PM

There are lies, damned lies, and Obama.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Boehner should pass a bill, or at least a “Sense of the House” resolution, instructing the treasury to be prepared to implement a plan like Steve King’s and Toomey’s, which ensures that the government won’t default or stop payment on important entitlement checks like SS and military pay.

FloatingRock on July 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Are you telling me that the President lied to me, Ed?

Knucklehead on July 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

No he didn’t lie so don’t worry, you haven’t been victimized. There are many polls and when you ask specifically about higher taxes on the wealthy, 72% of all respondents support such a measure. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say another 8% of the population support other forms of new revenue, whether that’s in taxes or from another source.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/large-majority-of-americans-including-most-republicans-support-raising-taxes-on-the-wealthy.php

bayam on July 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM

50% of the American people don’t pay any federal taxes.
Of course they have no problem with tax increases.

itsnotaboutme on July 15, 2011 at 2:14 PM

So where’s GOP support for taxing the untaxed? I don’t hear anyone making that argument today.

bayam on July 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Scroll bar update (again):

“This jackalope is lying his a%s off to you… This jackalope is lying his a%s off to you… This jackalope is lying his a%s off to you…”

Seven Percent Solution on July 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM

bayam, what a sorry fool you are.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM

How come the price we have to pay for the Democrats to agree to stop spending huge amounts of our money is to give them more of our money? This is pure extortion. Give us more money or we’ll keep spending without restraint. WTF?

There is no moral equivalence between spending cuts and tax hikes. One saves the American people money and the other costs the American people money. Republicans need to stand strong on this.

JohnInCA on July 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM

I’m sure we can all be proud of how our chief executive has become such a talented liar and all, but I would caution those that think this is a pretty good to consider just a few facts

Gilding the lily a tad too much – 80% a bit too high to be believable even to the most committed Marxist.

It also helps to avoid round number like that, much better to have not a clear-cut and a few tenths of a percent thrown in for authenticity.

Something like: 64.7% want to be Obamaed even more by taxes.

See how that is more believable?

Chip on July 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM

95% of Americans are in debt up to their eye teeth too. Think its currently at about $43k each.

The other 5% can fade that and somehow that doesn’t bother me.

DanMan on July 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM

President Obama is just upset because those evil Republicans won’t let him spend an infinite amount of our tax dollars.

There are limits, Mr. President. Even for you.

You have already spent all of the money we gave you! It is time to stop spending!

wren on July 15, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Richard Gere stars as “An Officer and a Gentleman”
The Zero stars and “A Liar and a Dick”

sgtstogie on July 15, 2011 at 2:26 PM

I sent my Congressman a letter. I told Sean Duffy that I was on board for tax hikes so long as the REAL spending cuts were AT LEAST 4 times the tax hikes AND the tax hikes were APPLIED across the board. That’s my balanced approach Dear Dictator Obama.

Metanis on July 15, 2011 at 2:26 PM

The one silver lining, bho will be gone for the wee-end at Camp David and not be on the tube?
L

letget on July 15, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Let’s start with the 47% that don’t pay taxes. You know Share the burden.

barnone on July 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

That, and mandate that all federal employees contribute at least 15% to their pension and 15% of their health care benefits.

Deficit solved.

Key West Reader on July 15, 2011 at 2:26 PM

I’d guess that a large chunk, maybe even a majority, of the 96% that say spending cuts should be part of the mix think that that means an actual decrease in the year-over-year budget. But they’ve been “sold” otherwise.

theperfecteconomist on July 15, 2011 at 2:27 PM

bayam, read what Ed wrote, carefully.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:27 PM

There’s an interesting story over at CNBC right now. Maybe Obama should follow J.F.K:

“Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large federal deficits on the other…It is increasingly clear that…an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits</strong

Shows you how far to the Left the Dems. have gone.

Weight of Glory on July 15, 2011 at 2:27 PM

bayam on July 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM

I’m surprised at you bayam, you didn’t think it was good lie?

Chip on July 15, 2011 at 2:27 PM

……the 80% remark just demonstrates his cluelessness.

It’s not cluelessness. It’s a deliberate lie.

He just makes crap up as he goes along.

BacaDog on July 15, 2011 at 2:28 PM

It is an accepted axiom that you tax activity you want to discourage and subsidize activity you want to encourage. Thus, the progressive tax system encourages sloth and punishes work for it increases the rate of taxation as one works more, and decreases the rate as one works less.

Thus, the most productive citizens, a small minority – derisively referred to as the “rich” – pay 80% of all federal income taxes, while the lesser productive citizens – the majority now – pay nothing. Yet, because there are so many more lesser productive people in any society, even a small increase in their rate would yield a huge net increase in revenue.

Ideally, however, the system would decrease rates as income levels rise, starting with a rate of about 25% for the lowest earners – namely the majority of Americans. That will encourage them to work more, or in some way, become more productive so that they can rise to a higher income bracket and thus a lower rate. And if they don’t, then there is your huge pot of money. If they do, then you will need to spend that much less on entitlements and the social safety net. Either way, the debt problem is solved. The lowest earners in society are also those who consume the most social services and thus the most tax dollars. Anyone who has seen Cops already knows this.

The progressive tax system is actually regressive. It goes against what we already know about human behavior and how to manipulate it. If greater work and greater earnings is something that a society values, and we say we do, then it should follow that said society should reward that by taxing increasing work with decreasing rates. Yet we do the opposite. And if low income is something we deride, then said society should punish that with increasing rates of taxation. Yet we do the opposite.

keep the change on July 15, 2011 at 2:28 PM

I don’t hear anyone making that argument today.

bayam on July 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Herman Cain advocates the flat or fair tax.

Key West Reader on July 15, 2011 at 2:28 PM

So where’s GOP support for taxing the untaxed? I don’t hear anyone making that argument today.

bayam on July 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM

You’d be the frist to lament a flat tax initiative.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:28 PM

In their survey over July 12-13, Rasmussen asked the following:

2* As part of legislation to raise the debt ceiling, should congress and the president raise taxes?

55% said “no.” A predictable split between Republicans and Democrats. But independents oppose a tax hike, 51-35.

Guess the White House doesn’t think much of the way Rasmussen asks their questions.

EastofEden on July 15, 2011 at 2:29 PM

bayam on July 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Sorry, no clicky on links provided by trolls.

Knucklehead on July 15, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Chip on July 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM

56.2 mpg by 2020, not 56, not 57. These super math geniuses are so good they can calculate a number like that to the tenth. Stellar isn’t it? We are truly being well served by these ivy league college kids. /s

DanMan on July 15, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Most politicians try to convince you to agree with them. Obama just tells you that you already do.

Scrappy on July 15, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Wrong, ZerØbama, most people are smarter than you.

FloatingRock on July 15, 2011 at 2:17 PM

No, they’re not. They brung this charlatan.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Hell, you can’t even get 80% of the populace to agree that Elvis is dead.

PackerBronco on July 15, 2011 at 2:31 PM

I’m sure we can all be proud of how our chief executive has become such a talented liar and all, but I would caution those that think this is a pretty good to consider just a few facts

Gilding the lily a tad too much – 80% a bit too high to be believable even to the most committed Marxist.

It also helps to avoid round number like that, much better to have not a clear-cut and a few tenths of a percent thrown in for authenticity.

Something like: 64.7% want to be Obamaed even more by taxes.

See how that is more believable?

Chip on July 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Good point: if Obama is going to adopt Fidel Castro’s and Saddam Hussein’s tactics he should at least try to do it correctly.

FloatingRock on July 15, 2011 at 2:31 PM

I bet if someone said they were going to reduced the Earned Income Tax Credit by .1% you would hear some screaming.

Cindy Munford on July 15, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Are you telling me that the President lied to me, Ed?

Knucklehead on July 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

It’s entirely possible he peed on your leg, too. Are you under the impression it’s raining?

trigon on July 15, 2011 at 2:33 PM

50% of Americans support the idea of the other 50% paying taxes as well.

darwin on July 15, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Professor O’Barry’s chief speech writer, George Orwell, was unavailable for comment.

NickDeringer on July 15, 2011 at 2:33 PM

He’s a pathological liar.

Beaglemom on July 15, 2011 at 2:33 PM

barry is a deeply partisan m…has never had to deal with people that disagree with him, and views them as distasteful.

But there is a big picture here…and if the party of stupid can get its act together before Sunday, they might trying pointing out today’s econ numbers. Consumer Confidence down sharply, Industrial output less that expected, NY region manufacturing shrinking

They might point out that we have high unemployment…slow gdp…and people lowering their gdp forecasts for the second half. And they might point out that barry himself can only generate about 41B of taxes to go up…the deficit is 1.5T. he is not a serious economic person…he is a demagogue who is trying to disillusion R voters so the Dims can win in 12…and yes, he will demagogue right to the last minute.

They have to learn to face down the anchors when they start pounding the table for more taxes.

r keller on July 15, 2011 at 2:34 PM

This burning, almost debilitating anger and disgust with Duh Won is like nothing I ever felt for Carter (for him it was mostly pity). Is this what the liberals felt for Bush…but without the vindication?

SKYFOX on July 15, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Regarding the tax increases, the Republican Party is going to have to ask themselves if they’d rather satisfy the pollsters or would they rather satisfy the people who vote for them in elections? They can’t do both.

FloatingRock on July 15, 2011 at 2:34 PM

NPD, clinical case. Read the Symptoms section too.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:34 PM

bayam on July 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM

You are really here trying to sell this sh!t sandwich to us?This is the kind of stupidity that only impresses those already smelling Obama’s farts. And it almost smacks of desperation. Maybe when Cantor points out his fake poll number is really only 76% he can walk out of the meeting in a huff.

NotCoach on July 15, 2011 at 2:35 PM

NPD, clinical case. Read the Symptoms section too.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:34 PM

This…

d1carter on July 15, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Hell, you can’t even get 80% of the populace to agree that Elvis is dead Obama was born in the USA.

PackerBronco on July 15, 2011 at 2:31 PM

FIFY.

Steve Z on July 15, 2011 at 2:37 PM

So where’s GOP support for taxing the untaxed? I don’t hear anyone making that argument today.
 
bayam on July 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM

 
Fine. I’m not an elected official, but I strongly believe that.
 
Everyone shall pay the feds 10% regardless of how much or how little income they have.
 
If the feds can’t support their exhaustive programs using that amount, they cut the programs. If people still want the programs they can be done at the state level, and the states can tax as much or as little as they want to either fund said programs or make a jobs-friendly environment.
 
PS- And any entitlement counts as income. Everyone pays something.

rogerb on July 15, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Sarah Palin: Obama lies. Economy dies.

Good, or as someone posted the other day:

Heels on. Gloves off.

idesign on July 15, 2011 at 2:37 PM

When Obama says something, IT IS FACT.

Do not dispute him.

portlandon on July 15, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Chip on July 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM

56.2 mpg by 2020, not 56, not 57. These super math geniuses are so good they can calculate a number like that to the tenth. Stellar isn’t it? We are truly being well served by these ivy league college kids. /s

DanMan on July 15, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Good point: if Obama is going to adopt Fidel Castro’s and Saddam Hussein’s tactics he should at least try to do it correctly.

FloatingRock on July 15, 2011 at 2:31 PM

When you here a number like that you just know that it was just made up out of thin air.

Now perhaps he delivered it without a hint of emotion or remorse – which should really when the investigation into his wrongdoings finds him hooked up to a polygraph – but the number itself is quite suspect.

Maybe the WH needs a fake number czar with a salary of $142,326 a year.

Chip on July 15, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Obama has fallen very clearly out of step with the American public on spending and taxes, and the 80% remark just demonstrates his cluelessness.

He’s never been in step, and he doesn’t have clue.

PakviRoti on July 15, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Run for reelection on that platform and in 2012 we’ll see how “sold” the American people are.

vcferlita on July 15, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Obama has fallen very clearly out of step with the American public on spending and taxes, and the 80% remark just demonstrates his cluelessness.

He’s not clueless, he’s LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH!

GarandFan on July 15, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Obama has fallen ALWAYS BEEN very clearly out of step with the American public

Get a grip! The “man” has never subscribed to one single ideal the American public reveres! “has fallen” my ass

winston on July 15, 2011 at 2:40 PM

These aren’t the droids we’re looking for.

greggriffith on July 15, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Sitting around the table are BHO, wife, 2 daughters, and Gramma. I wonder which one of them is the 20% who oppose tax hikes.

MassVictim on July 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM

rogerb on July 15, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Correct, everyone should have skin in the game – blimey! I just used That phrase – time to was out my keyboard with soap.

Chip on July 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Obama has fallen very clearly out of step with the American public on spending and taxes, and the 80% remark just demonstrates his cluelessness.

80% if the people in his universe believe this. He hasn’t traveled much outside those boundaries so to him that’s a truism. Anyhoo, didn’t he say something to the effect that he doesn’t read everything today in his presser? Unless polls favor him they probably go in the icky pile and don’t get his attention.

Buy Danish on July 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Must be O got some bad crack!

MCGIRV on July 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/large-majority-of-americans-including-most-republicans-support-raising-taxes-on-the-wealthy.php

bayam on July 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Define wealthy. Obama has not defined it this time around. If we go by his last definition was 200.000 a year. I thought that was the middle class. How many taxpayers want that? 80% is a lie.

IowaWoman on July 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM

“The Sky is purple. There is no sun … only the light from my halo. Pay no attention to your looking holes!” – Obama

*eye roll*

Cadian on July 15, 2011 at 2:43 PM

The problem is that almost if not at least half the people polled in the sample don’t pay taxes now, if it was representative of the population as a whole.

I would bet the ranch that if you polled those who actually do pay taxes, more than 95% would say “hell no” to any income tax increases, even if most of them weren’t in the targeted group of those making more than $250K/yr.

TXUS on July 15, 2011 at 2:43 PM

SKYFOX on July 15, 2011 at 2:34 PM

You are not alone. I question myself sometimes, but honestly? I cannot recall any US President from Carter through Bush that I loathed. Carter was a doofus but he loved our Country. Obama? I think he is sinister.

Key West Reader on July 15, 2011 at 2:43 PM

This Orwellian nitwit chanting “revenues, revenues, revenues” — is he somehow unaware that they only people who don’t know he wants huge tax increases (as we have predicted since before he was elected) are the imbeciles who already vote for him?

Jaibones on July 15, 2011 at 2:43 PM

The WaPo analysis by Chris Cillizza actually fleshes that out effectively.

Drained Brain on July 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM

80%? What, was the teleprompter screen dirty?

SKYFOX on July 15, 2011 at 2:45 PM

:YAWN:

100% of people who pay no taxes and/or live off Uncle Sam want the other guy to pay more. Big news.

100% of little kids want ice cream for dinner, too.

reaganaut on July 15, 2011 at 2:46 PM

Let’s start with the 47% that don’t pay taxes. You know Share the burden.

barnone on July 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Step One: End the Earned Income Tax Credit, and stop giving people money who don’t pay any taxes. This is welfare.

Jaibones on July 15, 2011 at 2:46 PM

Ed, it’s time to call it like it is.

Obama is either totally clueless and stupid or he lied.

INC on July 15, 2011 at 2:47 PM

More royal blather

He does not love the “country and the job”. He only loves himself…and gets rewarded based on nada. It’s a travesty.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Obama is not in touch with reality.

His ridiculous statement should really scare people about his mental capacity.

portlandon on July 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM

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