Obama: 80% of the people want some tax hikes

posted at 2:10 pm on July 15, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama tried to claim ownership of the mighty middle in today’s press conference while casting opposition on both ends as extreme. In response to a question from Chuck Todd, Obama said that 80% of Americans support his “balanced approach” to deficit reduction and the debt-ceiling increase. But is this really true? Via RCP:

“The American people are sold,” President Obama said.

“The American people are sold, I just want to repeat that.”

“You have 80% of the American people who support a balanced approach. 80% of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren’t sold is not the problem. The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically.”

Frankly, it appears that the problem is that members of the West Wing can’t do math. The latest national survey on the topic came from Gallup, which expressed some support for the “balanced” approach, but hardly showed 80% of Americans backing tax hikes — excuse me, “revenue increases.”

Americans’ preferences for deficit reduction clearly favor spending cuts to tax increases, but most Americans favor a mix of the two approaches. Twenty percent favor an approach that relies only on spending cuts and 4% favor an approach that uses tax increases alone.

That puts 76%, not 80%, somewhere in between the two points.  But Gallup breaks this out more effectively:

  • Only/Mostly with spending cuts: 50%
  • Only/Mostly with tax increases: 11%

Only 32% prefer a balance between spending cuts and tax increases, which added to the bottom option would still tilt the public far more in favor of spending cuts, 50/43.  Among independents — the most non-ideological group possible in this survey — it’s 51/41, a wider split. This is hardly a public that is “sold, sold!” on tax hikes.

And that’s just in the Gallup poll.  Two months ago, The Hill conducted its own poll that showed opposition to tax hikes  at 45%, with only 13% favoring an even split between tax hikes and spending cuts to solve the deficit problem, with another 11% supporting a 2/1 split for spending cuts to tax hikes, and 15% for a 3/1 split.  Even under the most liberal (pun intended) definition of “balanced,” only 39% in that poll opted for the idea.

Obama has fallen very clearly out of step with the American public on spending and taxes, and the 80% remark just demonstrates his cluelessness.

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Del Dolemonte on July 15, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Good for Krauthammer.
(Something I don’t get to say very often, lately)

LegendHasIt on July 15, 2011 at 9:26 PM

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darwin-t on July 15, 2011 at 9:28 PM

He means, of course, that 80% of the welfare chiselers who vote for him want tax increases.

MaiDee on July 15, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 15, 2011 at 9:01 PM

CW on July 15, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Given that little Bammie has taken to talking in the doublespeak of the new left, ie “reduce spending through the tax code”, we have every reason to not trust him a single inch. It is quite possible or likely that the vague spending cuts he hints at are really his way of saying “increasing taxes”.

slickwillie2001 on July 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM

He can make any assertion he wants, depending on how he samples to get the intended result. In Barry Sotero’s instance here, they polled ten people. Eight were unemployed, minority union members, who were offered free beer, cigarettes, six months rent, and a path to citizenship to weigh in.

realitycheck on July 15, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Obama is just a LIAR, that’s right he is a LIAR, and the idiot media portray his words as truth. I ALWAYS mute the tv when that idiot is on cause he is a LIAR! Whenever I see a picture of him I gotta go wash my face!

royzer on July 15, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Let have that imaginary 80% do what they want to do. They can write Uncle Sam a check voluntarily.

bayview on July 15, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Great Barry, start with the 50% of takers who don’t pay anything.

flyoverland on July 15, 2011 at 10:29 PM

This is bo calling his bluff! 80% say no debt ceiling raise.

tim c on July 15, 2011 at 10:39 PM

This reminds me of Chuck U. Schumer’s “No One Cares About Pork” comment. Both are full of it.

diogenes on July 15, 2011 at 10:53 PM

“The American people are sold to China !”
-BHO

Fixed for ya Barry

CW on July 15, 2011 at 11:02 PM

Obama: 80% of the people want some tax hikes

That would be the same 80% of one ethic group who voted for you and 70% of that 80% do not pay any taxes.

jarhead0311 on July 15, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Earth to bayrum

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0715/Obama-says-80-percent-of-public-backs-his-debt-ceiling-option.-Really

By Mark Trumbull, Staff writer / July 15, 2011

President Obama made an arresting statement Friday, in an effort to nudge Republicans to reconsider their opposition to tax increases.

“You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach,” to reduce federal deficits with new tax revenue as well as spending cuts, Mr. Obama said in a press conference. “That’s not just Democrats,” he emphasized. “That’s [also] the majority of Republicans.”

Is he right?

Technically, no, according to recent polls tracked by the Polling Report website.

The president is correct that most Americans, when asked how to solve America’s budget problems, opt for a mixed approach rather than all spending cuts or all tax hikes.

But it’s hard to find a poll where the tally in favor of a blended approach reaches 80 percent – and it’s possible that the share of Republicans who lean that way is lower than 50 percent.

So Obama can point to public opinion as a kind of arrow in his quiver, but Americans aren’t embracing his views by an 80-to-20 margin over Republicans.

Del Dolemonte on July 15, 2011 at 11:12 PM

I wonder if Obama will come out against Obamacare as the polls don’t support it. We are a country of polls Barry.Right?/

CW on July 15, 2011 at 11:33 PM

We are a country of polls Barry.Right?/

CW on July 15, 2011 at 11:33 PM

Maybe in Chicagoland and in some parts of Cleveland and Detroit, but there’s a lot of us Germans, and a host of Czechs and such who live here too. :-)

I’d love to see the day when the polling shows that a huge majority are against Obamacare…and then have Obama wiggle around it and maybe come out saying that he is against parts of it as well. But, he’s only 554 days to go until he joins the unemployment line.

coldwarrior on July 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM

The American people are sold all right, sold into debt slavery.

http://theeveningchronicle.blogspot.com/2011/07/damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont.html

LCT688 on July 16, 2011 at 12:52 AM

coldwarrior on July 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM

Wasn’t the public against Obamacare when it passed?

Cindy Munford on July 16, 2011 at 1:21 AM

And yet with all this overwhelming public support for his approach (acquired within the last few weeks, since he never met a cut he liked before), Obama still will not provide details of any aspect of HIS plan.

That should tell you something.

Adjoran on July 16, 2011 at 2:42 AM

“The American people are sold,” President Obama said.
“The American people are sold, I just want to repeat that.”

OMG! Obama sold us to China to pay for his high speed rail?

TN Mom on July 16, 2011 at 4:08 AM

fools like Steve Jobs, Zuckerberg, and Eric Schmidt. Tough company to keep.

bayam on July 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM

There is NOTHIGN except their own cowardice and duplicity to keep those “fools” from writing checks to the IRS every quarter that are, say, three times higher than what their accountants have managed to tweak their taxable incomes down to.

ANYone can send the IRS as much money as they want to and think they “ought to” every year, at any time, especially as to those who have such elaborate wealth as to think they only owe whatever they’re told they “have to” report as taxable.

Lourdes on July 16, 2011 at 6:19 AM

…Zuckerberg, Eric Schmidt…

bayam on July 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Those two, particularly, are not who I’d deem paragons of virtue and common sense. Or personal responsibility.

Lourdes on July 16, 2011 at 6:21 AM

And I think Obama’s declaration about the non-existent “80% of the American public who think taxes should be raised” was an intentional deceit by Obama. He’s play-acting at leading, he’s being intentionally misleading, he’s aware of what he’s saying that is not rational nor accurate.

He’s engaged in a very cruel, monstrous abuse of the American people, and of the U.S.A. It seems that when he makes these deceiving declarations, he’s happiest, too, and soon cracks jokes that fall flat, like calling the Space Shuttle and saying he was “ordering pizza”: he’s high on his “cool talents” that connives and out-cons.

Lourdes on July 16, 2011 at 6:25 AM

Sold. As into slavery.

BigAlSouth on July 16, 2011 at 6:31 AM

President Marx Wafer thinks we are as dumb as a south Chicago mob in need of “community organzing”. With Vice President Plugs Plagerizer at his side, they pull numbers out of thin air anytime they want.

America is waking to the fact that he is utterly incompetent. Can’t wait for NOV 2012.

I am in favor of taxing Moochelle’s world juants for nothing.

Cleveland Steamer on July 16, 2011 at 7:43 AM

Hey Obama! Counteth me among the lowly 20% who thinketh thou art full of it!

pilamaye on July 16, 2011 at 7:51 AM

“The American people are sold (out).”

nraendowment on July 16, 2011 at 7:54 AM

That 80% matches up well with the midterm results which turned a great deal of this country red in historic fashion

shaddup bongo

you lie as easily as you breath

Sonosam on July 16, 2011 at 7:57 AM

For years the liberals have been telling us that rich people control the gov’t for their own ends – to keep the poor poor and to make more money for themselves.

So teh liberals for years have attempted to come up with ways to keep rich people from being able to put money into politics and have demonized the rich.

Now Bayam comes forward and tells us that all successful “great” capitalists are progressives. Not only that, but we must obey these rich peoples’ policy prescriptions and raise taxes b/t that is what Zuckerberg and Jobs want.

So, Bayam is telling us that th enew liberal philosophy is to do whatever the rich say.

Interesting. I did not know that only progressives could be successful and only progressives understood or liked capitalism. I am no fully convinced that we must adopt socialism as the only way to save capitalism and that we must obey whatever certain rich people state (the “good” rich people who want us to raise taxes).

it is a very logical, very factual, very reasonable argument. Only progressives know how to build businesses and make money. Only progressives are rich. Only progressives understand capitalism. And taxes are the answer to all of america’s problems.

well argued sir. it is clearly correct. I hereby agree that we should raise taxes and that will solve all of america’s problems. The debt will disappear tomorrow and the economy will grow like gangbusters. Hear, Hear!

Monkeytoe on July 16, 2011 at 8:04 AM

you lie as easily as you breath

Sonosam on July 16, 2011 at 7:57 AM

When you’ve been fed lies since birth, and told that lying is an acceptable way to get what you want, it seems perfectly natural to him.

darwin on July 16, 2011 at 8:07 AM

When told of the new Lobster Tax… Mochelle ripped of her bib, slammed down the claw crackers and kicked over the seafood cart. It wasn’t until Zero gently reminded her that their lap of luxury is completely on the taxpayer’s backs that she shrugged her shoulders, belched and resumed feeding.

viking01 on July 16, 2011 at 8:18 AM

Monkeytoe on July 16, 2011 at 8:04 AM

BAYAM has an obsession with that fallacious argument. Again even if all business owners were Progressives that would not prove anything other than they are all Progressives. It would not prove that one economic system is better than another. In fact I contend most business owners , including liberal ones, are quite conservative in their business dealings.

CW on July 16, 2011 at 10:06 AM

NPD, clinical case. Read the Symptoms section too.

Schadenfreude on July 15, 2011 at 2:34 PM

I knew he was a narcissist, but yeah, he really is a narcissist. That’s over-the-top scary, considering his position of power. He acts more like Hugo Chavez everyday.

Susanboo on July 16, 2011 at 12:40 PM

The president’s pants are on fire.

kingsjester on July 16, 2011 at 1:02 PM

I think we have a new verb appearing, to Obama. It means telling whoppers so big they’re utterly unbelievable.

{^_^}

herself on July 16, 2011 at 1:02 PM

I think we have a new verb appearing, to Obama. It means telling whoppers so big they’re utterly unbelievable.

{^_^}

herself on July 16, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Ahhhh. The birth of the ObamaWhopper(tm)

Key West Reader on July 16, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Actually, polling data shows that 93% of the American people want either their left or right foot cut completely off… without anesthesia! You know, like they did in the Civil War. Did you know that YOU TOO are part of that 93%?

Mahdi on July 16, 2011 at 3:29 PM

BAYAM has an obsession with that fallacious argument. Again even if all business owners were Progressives that would not prove anything other than they are all Progressives. It would not prove that one economic system is better than another. In fact I contend most business owners , including liberal ones, are quite conservative in their business dealings.

CW on July 16, 2011 at 10:06 AM

I know. I was just attempting to put it in such absurdist prose that even she would understand how juvenile and meritless her argument is. That is probably hoping for too much.

I would put it even differently though. Most people once they have achiecved great wealth tend to like high gov’t regulation and taxation, b/c it makes it very difficult for any competitors to compete with them. so basically, they are using the “progessive” idiocy as a means to game the system to keep their position. It is classic and old, and anyone with an iota of historical or economic education undersrtands this. Which is why Bayam has no clue.

Monkeytoe on July 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM

I knew he was a narcissist, but yeah, he really is a narcissist. That’s over-the-top scary, considering his position of power. He acts more like Hugo Chavez everyday.

Susanboo on July 16, 2011 at 12:40 PM

He’s an extremely dangerous narcissist. His sociopathy is obvious to anyone that pays attention. And him being the most powerful man in the world does not bode well for us.

ButterflyDragon on July 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM

I wouldn’t oppose some tax hikes as well as spending cuts to be combined to get us out of this mess… but I don’t see it happening so I’m not supportive.

Lest we forget, what happened last time when GHW Bush was offered $2 in cuts for every $1 in hikes?

http://www.atr.org/budget-deal-real-tax-hikes-fake-a6322

137 bil in hikes, to be offset by 274 bil in cuts was the deal.

What we got? 137 bil in hikes, and 22 billion more in spending, not just no cuts, more spending.

This is like the “if you let us pass amnesty, we’ll close the border” argument. That argument might have worked if you hadn’t already proposed it in the 1980′s and 1960′s, taken the amnesty, then did &*@#-all about the border.

So I’m good with the mix… but the cuts have to come first. Show me the cuts, then we can talk about the tax hikes. When we tried them at the same time only one happened, so lets not do that again.

And no, I don’t care how much you tell me it’s really totally different this time and I can trust you…

gekkobear on July 17, 2011 at 3:07 AM

Let me tell you something. I despise this administration, with a passion. But if what I am reading from AEI and Heritage Foundation gets out to a wider public, we’re going to get another term of Obama. Look, I’m all for spending cuts–big ones, bold ones–but let’s be smart about policy. And, the policy proposals you can read below, are SHOCKINGLY punitive on the Middle Class. This is definitely not “conservative” and is startlingly akin to REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.

Andrew Biggs, to his credit, argues that the policy proposal from Heritage is “extreme” but the AEI’s policy proposal is just as EXTREME as Heritage’s proposal. Either proposal, if disseminated to voters, will abruptly ELIMINATE any chance for Republicans in 2012. So, you’d better know what is coming:

http://american.com/archive/2011/june/means-and-extremes-how-not-to-balance-the-budget

mountainaires on July 17, 2011 at 10:31 AM

“The American people are sold,” President Obama said.
“The American people are sold, I just want to repeat that.”

Sold me down the River.

There’s a fire beneath our deficit
There’s a fever that makes me ill
Got a debt, a deficit that kills
We’ve got two weeks to “live”
GOP, I’m begging you please
WhiteHouse, I’m down on my knees
Democrats, I’m begging you please
I don’t know why and I don’t understand
How you sold me down the river
I don’t know why

AH_C on July 18, 2011 at 12:26 PM

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