Q-poll: GOP will get blame if debt ceiling not raised

posted at 10:13 am on July 14, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Most analysts reviewing the latest Quinnipiac poll have focused on the fact that while Barack Obama remains seriously underwater on the economy, voters appear to trust him more than either party in Congress.  The bigger takeaway, though, might be how voters see the potential outcomes of the debate over the debt ceiling.  The Q-poll shows that Obama is, at least for now, edging out the GOP in casting the terms of the debate:

The president gets a 47 – 46 percent job approval rating, unchanged from the June 9 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. That tops a 64 – 28 percent disapproval for Democrats in Congress and a 65 – 26 percent disapproval for Republicans. Obama outscores congressional Republicans on several points in the deficit reduction battle:

  • Voters will blame Republicans over Obama 48 – 34 percent if the debt limit is not raised;
  • Voters say 67 – 25 percent that an agreement to raise the debt ceiling should include tax hikes for the wealthy and corporations, not just spending cuts;
  • Voters say 45 – 37 percent that Obama’s proposals to raise revenues are “closing loopholes,” rather than “tax hikes”;
  • But voters say 57 – 30 percent that Obama’s proposals will impact the middle class, not just the wealthy.

“The American people aren’t very happy about their leaders, but President Barack Obama is viewed as the best of the worst, especially when it comes to the economy,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling institute.

Obama’s approval rating on the economy is still mired at 38/56, hardly a good position for an incumbent looking for a second term.  With another recession looking more likely, those numbers won’t improve much.  Right now, 71% think we’re in a recession, but they still blame George Bush 54/27 for it; that’s 49/24 among independents.  If we do hit negative territory again after two years of stagnation, though, Obama will end up owning it.

However, at the moment, Obama has a narrow lead over Republicans in trust on the economy, 45/38.  The bullet points show a serious vulnerability for Republicans in staring down Obama to the point where market disruptions from debt-ceiling paralysis occurs, assuming such disruptions do occur.  At least in this poll — and Quinnipiac has generally been a reliable, independent pollster — standing on the no-new-revenues pledge might end up with the GOP taking ownership of whatever follows.

This is, of course, exactly what Mitch McConnell warned about earlier this week.  However, Quinnipiac never asks the straightforward question of whether the ceiling should be raised, as other polls have and routinely get 2-1 opposition.  They do ask what worries voters more, that raising the debt limit would mean more government spending and debt, or economic disruption from a refusal to raise the ceiling.  The fear of economic disruption barely edges the fear of escalating debt 45/43, which seems somewhat of an outlier considering the polls from CBS and The Hill over the last few months.

If this poll is accurate, then McConnell has good reason to worry.

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So when can we expect you to start paying taxes to us for the military protection your country receives from ours?

Let us know. kthx.

Good Lt on July 14, 2011 at 2:19 PM

No, no…drywall’s not rich you see, so he doesn’t have to pay for anything. He gets the protection but other people have to pay for it for him. It’s a win-win for him. He gets to punish evil rich people becaues he hates them (but deep down wishes he could be one)and he gets to live in safety. That’s only fair, right drywall?

Trafalgar on July 14, 2011 at 2:43 PM

So when can we expect you to start paying taxes to us for the military protection your country receives from ours?

Let us know. kthx.

Good Lt on July 14, 2011 at 2:19 PM
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Wow I never realized ho much ill will Republicans held toward their hero Reagan for not bailing on NATO.

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 2:48 PM

Wow I never realized ho much ill will Republicans held toward their hero Reagan for not bailing on NATO.

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 2:48 PM

So when can we expect your back-dated taxes for the benefits your country receives from not having to fund a full military, deadbeat?

Let us know how much you plan to send to our treasury. Leech.

Good Lt on July 14, 2011 at 2:56 PM

No, no…drywall’s not rich you see, so he doesn’t have to pay for anything. He gets the protection but other people have to pay for it for him. It’s a win-win for him. He gets to punish evil rich people becaues he hates them (but deep down wishes he could be one)and he gets to live in safety. That’s only fair, right drywall?

Trafalgar on July 14, 2011 at 2:43 PM

He’s a leech who contributes nothing and takes everything.

In times of austerity, the leeches are the ones who screech the loudest, because their hosts get fed up with them and flick them off.

Good Lt on July 14, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Everyone should feel the same pain from income tax. Rich AND poor. So If the poor get kicked in the nuts for 2500$, then the rich should get the corresponding kick in the nuts which will be exponentially bigger. Your income tax system hurts rich people with a peacock feather. And they laugh at the rest of you for it.

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 12:10 PM

You may be the most clueless f@#$ I’ve stumbled across in quite some time.

I’m sure you don’t realize that almost 50% of the people here not only pay no tax, they get money back anyway.

I’m sure you don’t realize that the top 1% of earners pay near 40% of the total tax revenue to the federal govt. And that’s more than they receive as a percentage of total earnings, by the way.

Shut your ignorant mouth.

Midas on July 14, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Your income tax system hurts rich people with a peacock feather. And they laugh at the rest of you for it.

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 12:10 PM

As I said earlier, I paid over $70,000 in federal income tax last year…and I ain’t laughing.

Trafalgar on July 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM

As I said earlier, I paid over $70,000 in federal income tax last year…and I ain’t laughing.

Trafalgar on July 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Dave is, since he pays NOTHING and gets “free” stuff.

Because of your evil!

Good Lt on July 14, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Dave is, since he pays NOTHING and gets “free” stuff.

Because of your evil!

Good Lt on July 14, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Well that’s ok then, as long as it’s “free” and I don’t have to pay for it. Oh…wait.

Trafalgar on July 14, 2011 at 3:35 PM

“BLAME” From what I have read, its 2-1 for NOT raising debt limit or tax increases. HOLD THE LINE OR RESIGN!.
Tell the Dems in congress SSS. STOP SPENDING STUPID!!!!

ColdWarrior57 on July 14, 2011 at 3:38 PM

The Republicans should go ‘all in’ by insisting that any negotiations b public and designating Paul Ryan to put the smack down on whoever the Dhimmis name.

Annar on July 14, 2011 at 3:42 PM

This Drywall guy is a reflection of the general level of ignorance held by the voting public about government taxes and spending. As someone said, the top 1% of income earners pay just short of 40% of total income tax revenue. But actually, that doesn’t illustrate fully the “progressive” distortion of current tax policy. “The rich’s” reported earnings represent only 20% of the total of all reporting earnings. Thus, “the rich” pay nearly double their “fair share” of taxes compared to “the poor.” To get a full picture of who not only powers the U.S. economy but also provides the “grease” that keeps the wheels of government spinning, the top 25% of income earners pay almost 90% of all the income tax revenue collected by the Imperial Federal Government.

boqueronman on July 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM

…how come proposed cuts are only hitting the middle class?
How come the rich aren’t asked to sacrifice anything?
Why was closing a private jet tax loophole so offensive?
How come you refuse to make cuts to the military?
Why is your country so f*cked?

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Dave, A question for you. Liberals have controlled the state of California, top to bottom, for many decades. Why does the highest income tax rate in California start at $47,000 a year if Democrats only want to tax the rich?

If you believe the Democrats, I guess $47,000 a year is being “rich” in California.

RJL on July 14, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Your income tax system hurts rich people with a peacock feather. And they laugh at the rest of you for it.

Dave Rywall

I didn’t realize the purpose of the income tax was to hurt people.

xblade on July 14, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Let’s see, McConnell and company run around saying “we’ll get the blame, we’ll get the blame”, and then when asked in a poll, some folks say Republicans are to blame. Gee, what are the odds, lol.

xblade on July 14, 2011 at 3:56 PM

One poll out of how many? If McConnell sells us out, his political hide will be worthless.

Mr. Grump on July 14, 2011 at 3:59 PM

I didn’t realize the purpose of the income tax was to hurt people.

xblade on July 14, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Yes, drywall hates people who make more money than him and he wants to punish them for working hard…and he wants them to buy him “free” stuff.

Trafalgar on July 14, 2011 at 4:00 PM

Your income tax system hurts rich people with a peacock feather. And they laugh at the rest of you for it.

Dave Rywall

I didn’t realize the purpose of the income tax was to hurt people.

xblade on July 14, 2011 at 3:55 PM
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Sorry you aren’t smart enough to understand a metaphor. Oh well.

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Sorry you aren’t smart enough to understand a metaphor. Oh well.

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Drywall, you know that the biggest threats to our “f*cked” country are the very entitlements parasites like you support, right? The public debt is a drop in the bucket compared to the entitlement shortfalls. 10 to 1 according to US Debt Clock.

Chuck Schick on July 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Drywall, you know that the biggest threats to our “f*cked” country are the very entitlements parasites like you support, right? The public debt is a drop in the bucket compared to the entitlement shortfalls. 10 to 1 according to US Debt Clock.

Chuck Schick on July 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM
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Both sides of the aisle created them. take it up with them, not me.

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Sorry you aren’t smart enough to understand a metaphor. Oh well.

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 4:07 PM

OK, let’s forget your literary stylings, let’s look at this:

Everyone should feel the same pain from income tax. Rich AND poor. So If the poor get kicked in the nuts for 2500$, then the rich should get the corresponding kick in the nuts which will be exponentially bigger.

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 12:10 PM

So you do say that taxes are about hurting people, and you do say that the richer people are, the more they should be hurt. I’ve asked you several times in this thread why do you hate rich people? Can I get an answer please?

Trafalgar on July 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Drywall, you know that the biggest threats to our “f*cked” country are the very entitlements parasites like you support, right? The public debt is a drop in the bucket compared to the entitlement shortfalls. 10 to 1 according to US Debt Clock.

Chuck Schick on July 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM
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Both sides of the aisle created them. take it up with them, not me.

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 4:28 PM

That’s it? That’s your answer? It doesn’t matter who created entitlements, the point is that we can’t afford them anymore.

Trafalgar on July 14, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Both sides of the aisle created them. take it up with them, not me.

Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Baloney. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and ObamaCare were all the creations of Democrat presidents holding both houses of Congress. None of them are sustainable.

Your entire ideology is based on proclaiming yourselves saviors then skipping out on the bill.

Why do you think we haven’t had a budget here for the longest time in 40 years? The Democrats are abject cowards that don’t want to be politically responsible for their own failed policies.

Chuck Schick on July 14, 2011 at 4:37 PM

And raise the coporate tax rate while you’re at it.

Dave Rywall

Raise your own damn corporate tax rate, you moron.

Seriously, you do know the corporate tax rate in Canada is half that of the U.S., don’t you? Why is that, I wonder?

xblade on July 14, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Sorry you aren’t smart enough to understand a metaphor. Oh well.

Dave Rywall

No, you’re just sorry, lol. You’re just ticked you slipped up and got caught.

xblade on July 14, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Q-poll: GOP will get blame if debt ceiling not raised

Don’t care. It’s gone beyond blame now. We need to do everything possible to fix this crisis or go down in flames trying.

Reelection is on the other side of the abyss, folks.

disa on July 14, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Dave Rywall, you must be freaking out. Your Government is Conservative right now….oh how that must chaff.

IowaWoman on July 14, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Rywall ya dimwit. Who really pays the corp taxes? Do you not get they pass them on to the consumer? Seriously you only think you are smart.

CW on July 14, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Everyone should feel the same pain from income tax. Rich AND poor. So If the poor get kicked in the nuts for 2500$, then the rich should get the corresponding kick in the nuts which will be exponentially bigger. Your income tax system hurts rich people with a peacock feather. And they laugh at the rest of you for it.
Dave Rywall on July 14, 2011 at 12:10 PM

groucho marx @drywall,

Why don’t you bore a hole in yourself and let the sap run out!

Sonosam on July 15, 2011 at 6:40 AM

Blame or credit?

conservativecaveman on July 15, 2011 at 8:16 AM

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