Quotes of the day

posted at 10:33 pm on July 13, 2011 by Allahpundit

“The average Republican voter, based on this data, wants a mix of 26 percent tax increases to 74 percent spending cuts. The average independent voter prefers a 34-to-66 mix, while the average Democratic voter wants a 46-to-54 mix…

“If we do take the Republicans’ no-new-taxes position literally, it isn’t surprising that the negotiations have broken down. Consider that, according to the Gallup poll, Republican voters want the deal to consist of 26 percent tax increases, and Democratic voters 46 percent — a gap of 20 percentage points. If Republicans in the House insist upon zero tax increases, there is a larger ideological gap between House Republicans and Republican voters than there is between Republican voters and Democratic ones.

“It would be foolish, in my view, to render any overly specific predictions about how the negotiations are likely to be resolved. But I would put greater weight on scenarios that would involve House Republicans not having to violate the pledge they signed to Mr. Norquist, including an end-around like Mr. McConnell’s — or even a failure to raise the debt ceiling at all, resulting in some combination of a debt default, a government shutdown, and a Constitutional crisis.”

***
“Former Sen. Alan Simpson (R., Wyo.), who co-chaired the White House’s deficit reduction panel last year, said he has lost hope the White House and Congress will be able to reach a deal to raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2.

“‘I don’t think they’ll get it done,’ he told Washington Wire. ‘I did for a long while. Now that I see the total rigidity of the parties, if that is going to continue, there’s just no hope. I thought there would be.’”

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“‘Our problem is we made a big deal about this for three months. How many Republicans have been on TV saying, ‘I’m not going to raise the debt limit.’ You know, Mitch [McConnell] says, ‘I’m not going to raise the debt limit unless we talk about Medicare.’ And I’ve said I’m not going to raise the debt limit until we do something about spending and entitlements.’ So we’ve got nobody to blame but ourselves,’ [Lindsey] Graham told reporters after a GOP caucus lunch.

“‘We shouldn’t have said that if we didn’t mean it.’”

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“A blow-up between Obama and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor at the end of Wednesday’s White House negotiating session captured the building tension. ‘He’s frustrated, we’re all frustrated,’ Cantor said, describing the president as ‘abruptly walking out.’ Democrats took a different slant: ‘He (Obama) lit up Eric Cantor like he’s never been lit up,’ said one in the room…

“Cantor, who sparred on several occasions Wednesday with the president, complains of what he sees as a steady retreat from the higher level of savings that he anticipated would come from the Biden talks…

“Silent like two bookends throughout were McConnell and Reid. And it’s clear the two men are moving toward some variation of McConnell’s draft, sweetened perhaps with Democratic options and some savings, perhaps, to attract conservatives.”

***
“Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is working with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., on an updated version of a proposal McConnell floated on Tuesday to allow President Obama to raise the federal debt ceiling in multiple steps.

“Reid has proposed linking McConnell’s plan with spending cuts—totaling perhaps $1 trillion over 10 years—and identified talks led by Vice President Joe Biden as the likely source of those cuts, according to Senate leadership aides. When each chamber voted to approve the process allowing Obama to increase the debt ceiling, they would also vote on the cuts, the aides said.

“‘The Republican Leader’s proposal combined with ideas he and I have been discussing to force a vote on deficit-reduction proposals could go a long way toward resolving the impasse we now find ourselves in,’ Reid said Wednesday morning.”

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“There seems to be a sense on the Right that McConnell’s concession to reality was far too broad, far too soon, and far too permissive—that Obama and the Democrats must be made to account for the increase in the debt limit with significant spending cuts that will at least mitigate in some way the damage they did by piling on new debt in 2009 and 2010, and that McConnell is letting them off the hook. Fair enough; maybe he was. But the question he was attempting to answer is which will be more damaging to the GOP and conservatives generally: Raising the debt limit without making Obama pay or failing to raise the debt limit? McConnell is betting that failing to raise the debt limit, or even contributing to the general uncertainty about whether the debt limit will be raised, is worse for him and his party.

“It is, of course, a guessing game, trying to figure out who would be blamed for bad stuff. But peddling the ‘narrative’ in which the GOP gets blamed for irresponsible and unreasonable negotiating tactics has a long history of working for Democrats. McConnell’s sense that seeming to be recalcitrant about raising the debt ceiling is more perilous than the alternative is sound pessimistic politics, which takes into account that very danger.”

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“[L]et’s be serious: there is no dealing with Obama on entitlements in the next eighteen months because there is no common ground to be found with him. Sure, he talks a good game about controlling spending, but consider his actions. The country handed the keys of the kingdom to Obama and the Democrats in November 2008. At that point, CBO was already projecting that entitlement spending was going to break the bank, and what did Obama and his party do? Create another new entitlement, one designed not for long-term durability, but short-term political calculations. Since his midterm rebuke, he’s decided to channel hyper-partisan Harry Truman and run against the evil Republicans, who are threatening to kill seniors with the Ryan plan. Clearly, his focus is on his reelection, which is dependent on firing up the Democratic left once again…

“This is the party’s best bet: rein in spending as best it can in a debt ceiling deal as well as the upcoming budget, then take the battle on deficits to the November 2012 election, offering the public this position: Our entitlement system is no longer sustainable with the taxes we raise to support it; either taxes must be raised substantially or the system must be reformed; we Republicans oppose tax hikes and believe that reform of the system can be achieved without reducing benefits.”

***
“I don’t trust this President… He doesn’t know how to make those cuts. He’s never had to do this before. He’s always just been one to spend other people’s money even if that money is just borrowed money or printed out of thin air. He’s never had to exercise real executive authority like that.” Click the image to watch.



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I don’t just look at today. That is precisely my point. I look at the trend. It’s quite true that poll numbers change, but Sarah Palin is not an unknown quantity. She has near-universal name recognition and disastrous unfavorables. Who’s mind is she going to change in that time?

What should be more unsettling for Palin supporters is that her numbers tend to drop the more she’s talked about, for whatever reason. A presidential campaign would only increase that effect.

KingGold on July 14, 2011 at 12:23 AM

She’s an unknown known. It may actually be much easier to change those minds than you think.

If you suddenly learned that Paris Hilton has dual doctorates in Neuroscience and Astrophysics, actually spends most of her time doing groundbreaking research and donates large sums of money, builds schools and homes for orphans in Botswana and she actually parties rarely and her statements are regularly taken out of context, you are going to be pissed at the media and change your mind about Hilton.

It’s a bit of an extreme analogy, but it’s to prove a point. Many people know about Palin only through TMZ when she actually has a stellar governing record. Name recognition and knowing the candidate are not the same thing.

miConsevative on July 14, 2011 at 12:34 AM

I gave Patrick a hard time for his conclusion. It was lame. As I said: Polls don’t prove anything.

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 12:29 AM

Thank you for your honesty. Now I must run back to Amazon and deal with some goofnut liberal who’s been railing on me for 2 years over a book review I did. LOL

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 12:35 AM

There was more than one to suggest such a tectonic shift; Lindsay Graham comes to mind. Who was it?

Geochelone on July 14, 2011 at 12:29 AM

jeb Bush and Mitt at the pizza parlor.

the problem for the GOp establishment is that Reaganism wins elections but it doesn’t enrich their pockets. therefore they like to talk reaganism on the cmapaign trail and then rule government under socialism. They would much rather stop the lies and just go scoialism during the election process too.

IMO the TEa party which is a reaganite group scared them because many in the gop establishment have thought that the era of Reagan really was over. And they know their cozy relationships would be destoryed with a return to Reaganism. So places lie foxnews turned to the center to try to damp down the reaganism spreading around the country. To a certian extant they have been able to blunt it since the election of 2010 but this debtlimit vote has the possibility of igniting it again.

unseen on July 14, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Now I must run back to Amazon and deal with some goofnut liberal who’s been railing on me for 2 years over a book review I did. LOL

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 12:35 AM

What a nutjob. Stalking you for 2 years?

Whacko.

portlandon on July 14, 2011 at 12:37 AM

G-D bless Sarah.

jainphx on July 13, 2011 at 11:46 PM

If you’re going to call on God to bless someone, please do not treat the word “God” as if it’s a dirty word.

disa on July 14, 2011 at 12:38 AM

The media will always find a way. They have a searing hate for this woman.

KingGold on July 14, 2011 at 12:31 AM

And if the Right had listened to downers like you, we never would have won a congressional majority in 2010. They can be fought.

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Real classy, too, the crack about Reagan.

KingGold on July 14, 2011 at 12:34 AM

what crack about Reagan? reagan’s illness forced him off the stage. that’s a fact not a crack. and if not for that fact Reaganism would not have been replaced so swiftly with Bushism.

again you beclown yourself.

unseen on July 14, 2011 at 12:38 AM

What is Mitt Romney’s position on the debt ceiling?

(crickets chirp, a tumblewheed rolls past)

Coward.

VidOmnia on July 14, 2011 at 12:39 AM

If you’re going to call on God to bless someone, please do not treat the word “God” as if it’s a dirty word.

disa on July 14, 2011 at 12:38 AM

It’s traditional in Judaism and some Christian churches to censor God’s name out of respect.

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 12:40 AM

It’s all very simple Mr. Obama. You and the Obamacrats want the debt ceiling increased. Conservatives want no increase in the debt ceiling. Cut spending (not BS cuts either) and we will agree to raise the debt ceiling. No cuts equals no debt ceiling increase. Please do not dig your heels in on this or we the American people will be on to you as thinking that your pet programs like NPR and snail darters are more important than the credit of the United States.

stefano1 on July 14, 2011 at 12:40 AM

If you’re going to call on God to bless someone, please do not treat the word “God” as if it’s a dirty word.

disa on July 14, 2011 at 12:38 AM

It’s a sign of respect in some religions (some forms of Christianity and Judaism) – that His name is so holy it’s not to be ‘spoken’ which plays out like he typed it in written text. He’s actually treating it with more respect than any other word. FYI.

miConsevative on July 14, 2011 at 12:41 AM

Lindsey Graham is being an hemorrhoid, again.

Schadenfreude on July 14, 2011 at 12:41 AM

Lindsey Graham is being an hemorrhoid, again.

Schadenfreude on July 14, 2011 at 12:41 AM

Isn’t he always..:)

Dire Straits on July 14, 2011 at 12:43 AM

OT: Is IMAX really worth the money?

upinak on July 14, 2011 at 12:43 AM

What a nutjob. Stalking you for 2 years?

Whacko.

portlandon on July 14, 2011 at 12:37 AM

Almost 2 years. I put the review up on July 27, 2009. I though she disappeared and I just got another e-mail notification from Amazon. She is on a roll tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe she just got out of the booby hatch or something like that.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Lindsey Graham is being an hemorrhoid, again.

Schadenfreude on July 14, 2011 at 12:41 AM

i he up for re-election in 2012 or 2014. someone primary this idiot.

unseen on July 14, 2011 at 12:43 AM

I have very little faith in polls any more, especially those commissioned by the media. The fact that they are more scientific simply makes them more suspect. Adjusting the sampling and the manner in which the question is phrased can have a major impact. Democrats are always oversamples in NBC and CBS polls and sometimes the results are “weighted.”

bw222 on July 14, 2011 at 12:44 AM

Lindsey Graham is being an hemorrhoid, again.

Schadenfreude on July 14, 2011 at 12:41 AM

Preperation H will not calm that hemorroid down. It has to be surgically removed.

upinak on July 14, 2011 at 12:45 AM

i he up for re-election in 2012 or 2014. someone primary this idiot.

unseen on July 14, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Unfortunately, “Lucy” isn’t up for reelection until 2014, but Richard (Dick Lugar before he dicks you) Lugar is a rich target for primarying in 2012.

bw222 on July 14, 2011 at 12:46 AM

The media will always find a way. They have a searing hate for this woman.

KingGold on July 14, 2011 at 12:31 AM

another moment of wonder from you. Did you just miss the fair newsweek article?

unseen on July 14, 2011 at 12:47 AM

OT: Is IMAX really worth the money?

upinak on July 14, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Yes, yes and yes. They have an IMAX on the Norwegian Epic cruise ship, very cool.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 12:47 AM

It’s traditional in Judaism and some Christian churches to censor God’s name out of respect.

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 12:40 AM

Actually religious Jews usually write ‘Hashem’(The name) or they write ‘God’. I think Michael Medved- a Frum(orthodox) Jew -writes out the word. The only people I’ve seen using G-d are reformed Jews who are trying to bluff others into thinking that they’re more ‘faithful’ than they really are.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 12:48 AM

Yes, yes and yes. They have an IMAX on the Norwegian Epic cruise ship, very cool.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 12:47 AM

okay.. time to go see harry potter friday morning at 315 am. I thought I would ask before I make the hour long ride and watch a movie for 3 hours.

upinak on July 14, 2011 at 12:49 AM

What is Mitt Romney’s position on the debt ceiling anything?

(crickets chirp, a tumblewheed rolls past)

Coward.

VidOmnia on July 14, 2011 at 12:39 AM

bw222 on July 14, 2011 at 12:49 AM

Yes, yes and yes. They have an IMAX on the Norwegian Epic cruise ship, very cool.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 12:47 AM

I can’t go to my local IMAX. The effects make me feel like I’ve been on a spinny carnival ride.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 12:49 AM

Actually religious Jews usually write ‘Hashem’(The name) or they write ‘God’. I think Michael Medved- a Frum(orthodox) Jew -writes out the word. The only people I’ve seen using G-d are reformed Jews who are trying to bluff others into thinking that they’re more ‘faithful’ than they really are.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 12:48 AM

But the tetragramaton, essentially God’s “true” name with letters removed, dates back to ancient Judaism and Mosaic law. That’s where the names “Yahweh” and “Jehovah” come from, right?

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 12:50 AM

Check out the website http://www.usgovernmentspending.com to see how she increased spending as Governor of Alaska.

2007: 7.8 Billion
2008: 8.6 Billion
2009: 8.9 Billion
2010: 9.5 Billion

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spend.php?span=usgs302&year=2010&view=1&expand=8T&expandC=&units=b&fy=fy12&local=s&state=AK&pie=#usgs302

Dreadnought on July 13, 2011 at 11:45 PM

Idiot! Read the topic of this thread! CONGRESS DOING THE BUDGET CEILING WITH A BIG-GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT NOT AGREEING WITH IT!

Back to State of Alaska in 2008 … A Conservative Republican Governor hated by both PRO-BIG NANNY STATE AK Legislature, whose proposed budget were always alduterated by AK Legislature, including her own partymates.

In fact, her antagonism against and reluctance to approve AK Legislature’s proposed budget led to her unpopularity among her own party mates in that “cold, cold state”.

Now what to check on Palin’s record?

1. How much of that spending were actually distributed to ALL ALASKANS but did actually come from the shares of AK People from the oil finds in accordance to AK Constitution.

2. In case of Palin’s possible contribution to that spending, if that means more lucrative Gas Project (if with cost to AK government) and her government’s more pro-active role in addressing the “brain-drain” in that state (providing incentives to those would complete their studies in that very cold state with a promise to stay and work in Alaska) … then I would shout… MORE SPENDING, MAMA GRIZZLY!

3. What budget lines did Palin veto? This will speak volume of her record as BUDGET TROUBLE-SHOOTER!

4. How much was the AK Government’s Revenues to support the Budget? That’s it!

We should not hate spending! We must hate WASTEFUL SPENDING!

TheAlamos on July 14, 2011 at 12:50 AM

OT: Is IMAX really worth the money?

upinak on July 14, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Yes..:)

Dire Straits on July 14, 2011 at 12:51 AM

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 12:50 AM

That sounds right. FYI: My parents always wrote out ‘God’.
*smiles*

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 12:52 AM

That sounds right. FYI: My parents always wrote out ‘God’.
*smiles*

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 12:52 AM

Yeah, but to Orthodox Jews, “God” is not God’s true name (as odd as that sounds).

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 12:53 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 12:49 AM

Hello alt..:)

PS..Isn’t it time to play some videos and get mom stirred up?..:)

Dire Straits on July 14, 2011 at 12:54 AM

okay.. time to go see harry potter friday morning at 315 am. I thought I would ask before I make the hour long ride and watch a movie for 3 hours.

upinak on July 14, 2011 at 12:49 AM

The screen on the Epic is 3 stories tall, it’s like you’re really “there”. You’re going to love it. Have fun, drive safe and enjoy.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 12:54 AM

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 12:53 AM

My parents were/are center-right reformed Jews(Jews In Name Only).

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 12:55 AM

2007: 7.8 Billion
2008: 8.6 Billion
2009: 8.9 Billion
2010: 9.5 Billion

Murkowski was still Gov in 2007 and Sean Parnell has been the Gov since 2009 sweetie. Did you forget that?

Opps again.

Keep it up, you are making this Alaskan smile.

upinak on July 14, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Yes, I’m aware Murkowski was governor in 2007, that’s why I showed the 2007 and 2008 budgets. Compare and contrast.

8.6 billion (Palin Budget 2008) is greater than 7.8 Billion (Murkowski Budget 2007)

Yes?

About a 10% increase from Murkowski’s budget.

As far as 2010 goes: when does the Alaska’s budget year start? Palin was governor for two and half years, yet she was only responsible for two state budgets? She didn’t quit until July, she didn’t have her budget proposal in before then?

Regardless, the increase from Murkowski’s last budget (7.8 Billion) and Palin’s 2009 budget (8.9 billion), is about 14%. This is a fiscal conservative? In a “red” state, no less?

Dreadnought on July 14, 2011 at 12:55 AM

TheAlamos on July 14, 2011 at 12:50 AM

sadly some spedning is a necassary evil. but spending in the red should never occir. its immoral, prinitng money should not occur, debt should not occur even when interest rates are good. Debt is bad in all forms. Palin’s record is she cut 9.55 in spending. from the murcowski admin to her last budget.

unseen on July 14, 2011 at 12:56 AM

Yeah, but to Orthodox Jews, “God” is not God’s true name (as odd as that sounds).

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 12:53 AM

It goes back to Moses and the burning bush when God told Moses his Name was “I am” (or “I am Who am” depending on translation).

miConsevative on July 14, 2011 at 12:56 AM

My parents were/are center-right reformed Jews(Jews In Name Only).

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 12:55 AM

I seem to recall you saying something about that. Anyhow, I figured that Jews don’t take utterances of any of God’s names lightly — and the original Hebrew of the Old Testament is full of names for him.

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 12:57 AM

Your Palin Fantasy knows no bounds. You honestly believe she’s going to win the nomination, get elected, and get re-elected, seemingly over the wishes of over 50% of the voting public.

I wish I had that kind of delusion optimism.

KingGold on July 13, 2011 at 10:58 PM

Well, we all wish you did too.
What’s with you anyways? Why does Palin bother you so?
If she doesn’t become the nominee then you will be able to tell us, right to our faces….”I told you so”.

What’s with all the hate?

tencole on July 14, 2011 at 12:57 AM

Dreadnought on July 14, 2011 at 12:55 AM

Umm you didn’t put in the ALASKAN LEGISLATURE who are usually the ones who vote itmes of money through.

I know this is hard for you. Please keep up!

upinak on July 14, 2011 at 12:57 AM

It goes back to Moses and the burning bush when God told Moses his Name was “I am” (or “I am Who am” depending on translation).

miConsevative on July 14, 2011 at 12:56 AM

Yup. “I am Who am” is exactly where the tetragramaton comes from.

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 12:58 AM

Dire: Since my Siamese-mix tortie girl is occupying (like an country) my lap*glare* this seems appropriate…or not.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 12:59 AM

And if the Right had listened to downers like you, we never would have won a congressional majority in 2010. They can be fought.

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 12:38 AM

They HAVE to be fought, otherwise conservatives will never be elected.

tencole on July 14, 2011 at 1:00 AM

okay.. time to go see harry potter friday morning at 315 am. I thought I would ask before I make the hour long ride and watch a movie for 3 hours.

upinak on July 14, 2011 at 12:49 AM

My daughter is going to see it at 12:01 am Friday morning.

bw222 on July 14, 2011 at 1:01 AM

So we’ve got nobody to blame but ourselves,’ [Lindsey] Graham told reporters after a GOP caucus lunch.

Ok, will this guy simply not learn to STFU? I desperately want to wish very bad things would happen to him, but a little voice in my head keeps saying ‘now, now – don’t do that’.

Argh, will we ever be rid of this kind of asshat?

Midas on July 14, 2011 at 1:02 AM

The media will always find a way. They have a searing hate for this woman.

KingGold on July 14, 2011 at 12:31 AM

OK, glad you admit this. Now kick them in their nads and show them how wrong they are to hate her. Just don’t follow their lead.

And, you might ask yourself why they have this “searing hate”? I’ll clue you in, its not cause they think she’s a “loser”. No, if they actually thought that, they’d be heaping praise upon her.

Instead they’ve been out to destroy her since she was announced as McCain’s VP choice – I think someone even called her “An existential threat…”

There’s a reason they attack her, and its not to “help the Right pick a better candidate.”

Sharr on July 14, 2011 at 1:02 AM

Disa—- There is no disrespect, I only think of our Jewish friends that can’t either say or read the name G-D, so when I don’t know who would be reading my thoughts, I just don’t want to offend them. I’m sorry if I offended you, but that is my reason. I’m a born again Christian and try not to offend those that don’t offend me. Again I apologize.

jainphx on July 14, 2011 at 1:04 AM

Well, we all wish you did too.
What’s with you anyways? Why does Palin bother you so?
If she doesn’t become the nominee then you will be able to tell us, right to our faces….”I told you so”.

What’s with all the hate?

tencole on July 14, 2011 at 12:57 AM

It’s not hate, it’s an opinion. Just because someone disagree’s with all things Palin does not make one a “hater”.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:04 AM

In a “red” state, no less?

Dreadnought on July 14, 2011 at 12:55 AM

Alaska elected a number of Republicans (the Murkowskis, Ted Stevens, Don Young, etc. who may have been Republicans, but they were hardly conservatives and none were/are fiscal conservatives.

bw222 on July 14, 2011 at 1:06 AM

Yup. “I am Who am” is exactly where the tetragramaton comes from.

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 12:58 AM

You can philosophically (using real philosopher, not all the “if a tree falls…” crap) the existence of God (not necessarily a personal God or a God who interacts with creation), but it boils down to God’s essence and His being are one. Whereas with everything else, they are distinct. It was enlightening to see that philosophy – apart from any religion – gets you to a God that the essence of who it (He) is is to exist (ie I am Who am).

miConsevative on July 14, 2011 at 1:06 AM

If you’re going to call on God to bless someone, please do not treat the word “God” as if it’s a dirty word.
disa on July 14, 2011 at 12:38 AM

LOL.

Spelling God as “G_d” is a nod to a common Judaic practice dealing with the [YHWH] tetragrammaton dear; it’s not due to treating God like it’s a dirty word. Christian’s adopt the practice out of respect.

davisbr on July 14, 2011 at 1:07 AM

Oops. I see there was a whole discussion on the matter while I was posting.

My bad.

davisbr on July 14, 2011 at 1:08 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 12:59 AM

LoL!..That should get her attention..:)

Dire Straits on July 14, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Dreadnought’s plainly the same sort of disingenuous turd that makes a practice of selectively misrepresenting reality, while pretending to play the pendant. Tiresome at best, destructive to a site at worst.
Notice his sleight of hand as he swaps in ‘total spending’ in place of ‘she never cut anything’. He’ll just keep re-casting his argument / moving the goalposts. Dishonest POS.

rayra on July 13, 2011 at 11:56 PM

What’s the matter, don’t like the numbers, so you throw your crap around?

Whatever.

How about this? Debt to GDP ratio by State:

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/03/30/business/economy/30statesGraphicA.html?ref=economy

Note who is number one.

Dreadnought on July 14, 2011 at 1:11 AM

Palin won’t win crap… she’s unelectable and she is starting to get on my nerves.

TimeTraveler on July 13, 2011 at 10:53 PM

You are unelectable and get on my nerves and my opinion is just as valid and wanted as yours.

IOW, who cares what you think.

kim roy on July 14, 2011 at 1:12 AM

Note who is number one.

Dreadnought on July 14, 2011 at 1:11 AM

Yes, and I’m sure Palin incurred all that state debt all by herself, in the two-point-five years of her governorship.

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 1:12 AM

But peddling the ‘narrative’ in which the GOP gets blamed for irresponsible and unreasonable negotiating tactics has a long history of working for Democrats.

That’s because the GOP has a long history of having no spine in calling Dems to account. They nearly always cave.

Ergo – Got Tea?

rspock on July 14, 2011 at 1:13 AM

It’s not hate, it’s an opinion. Just because someone disagree’s with all things Palin does not make one a “hater”.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:04 AM

True that. But there is hate. Irrational blind dumb hate. And some of it comes from people that call themselves “conservative.”

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 1:16 AM

As for Palin:

Are you going to run or not? Or are you just a big talker?

PappyD61 on July 13, 2011 at 10:54 PM

What’s the rush? How would anything be different (other than polls and exploding heads) if she announced today instead of August or September. She wouldn’t have any more power then than she does now. She still couldn’t enforce what she says or have any real influence on the process (other than steering the debate…which she seems to do anyhow).

I must say that this interview is one of the most impressive I’ve seen of Sarah. She wasn’t evasively kind in this interview. I think she’s had enough. Love the money quote about BO having no executive experience and not knowing what to do.

(edit)
Pattosensei on July 13, 2011 at 11:06 PM

It’s part of that “instant gratification” it seems. People have no sense of patience or understanding that sometimes things are better with waiting a little. NOW! NOW! NOW!

Why rush in when others will implode and save her the trouble? Plus, it’s not like she’s going to be shut out of any media attention.

I really don’t understand why people have difficulty understanding the benefits of waiting. It’s only for the impatient and those with no attention span rather than any tactical benefit, it seems.

kim roy on July 14, 2011 at 1:18 AM

I just listened to Michelle Bachmann on Greta. She did very well explaining this debt ceiling and the non-existent default crap. She never floundered.

Timmy came on next and continued to throw Bachmann under the bus with the experience crapola. He looked weak, wimpy and childish.

He’s officially done.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:18 AM

At least one of the years she was governor, I remember the state rebated several thousand dollars (I forget the exact amount) to each Alaskan because of the state’s surpluses. I am sure that is included in the state’s budget.

bw222 on July 14, 2011 at 1:19 AM

Dire: I saw this group @ Oz Fest ’98 in Tinley Park, IL.
‘She’ll’ be pissed @ this video…I hope. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 1:19 AM

He’s officially done.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:18 AM

How can T-Paw be done> He never got started.

bw222 on July 14, 2011 at 1:20 AM

I just listened to Michelle Bachmann on Greta. She did very well explaining this debt ceiling and the non-existent default crap. She never floundered.

Timmy came on next and continued to throw Bachmann under the bus with the experience crapola. He looked weak, wimpy and childish.

He’s officially done.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:18 AM

Or to put it another way, you’re not voting for him? ;-)

As much as I don’t think T-Paw was (or is) out of line, Bachmann’s response to his pokes was masterful. I dread having to choose Bachmann or Perry in a theoretical head-to-head primary match-up. It’d be a difficult choice for me.

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 1:21 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on July 14, 2011 at 1:19 AM

Good job..Keep it up and you may be able to get Tiger Lilly to come out and post!..:)

Dire Straits on July 14, 2011 at 1:24 AM

How can T-Paw be done> He never got started.

bw222 on July 14, 2011 at 1:20 AM

I’m sure Ed or AP will figure out some way to prop him back up tomorrow. You can take that to the bank LOL.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:25 AM

Timmy came on next and continued to throw Bachmann under the bus with the experience crapola. He looked weak, wimpy and childish.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:18 AM

It’s always best to speak positively and smile while you shiv your opponent. He needs to do better. If Palin doesn’t get in (ftr, I am 100% sure she’s in), I am going to have a hard time picking a candidate.

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 1:25 AM

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:04 AM

Excellent post!..:)

Dire Straits on July 14, 2011 at 1:26 AM

another moment of wonder from you. Did you just miss the fair newsweek article?

unseen

It was a trap. They were just telling us who they want to be the candidate.

But seriously, the media loves her now. That Newsweek article proves it. It’s smooth sailing from here on out.

xblade on July 14, 2011 at 1:28 AM

But seriously, the media loves her now. That Newsweek article proves it.

xblade on July 14, 2011 at 1:28 AM

No, it is an indicator (not proof) that she’s getting better at handling them.

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 1:29 AM

My guess is that Newsweek decided to try a fair article about Palin to prop up newsstand sales. The magazin just announced that it will be dropping its online edition next week.

Newsweek and Time are both at death’s doorstep.

bw222 on July 14, 2011 at 1:32 AM

Newsweek and Time are both at death’s doorstep.

bw222 on July 14, 2011 at 1:32 AM

I could be persuaded to support euthanasia in these two instances.

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 1:35 AM

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 1:35 AM

Youth in Asia would love your support.

…sorry, sorry couldn’t resist…

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 1:36 AM

What’s with all the hate?

tencole on July 14, 2011 at 12:57 AM

Bwahahahahaha!!! Being skeptical of a 1/2 term governor of the 46th ranked state of the union classifies as “hate”.
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:36 AM

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 1:35 AM

Youth in Asia would love your support.

…sorry, sorry couldn’t resist…

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 1:36 AM

It’s just not as funny in print, dude.

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 1:37 AM

Bwahahahahaha!!! Being skeptical of a 1/2 term governor of the 46th ranked state of the union classifies as “hate”.
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:36 AM

This post certainly qualifies as stupid.

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 1:37 AM

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:36 AM

OK, the idiot is in the house and now it’s time for bed.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:41 AM

On Hannity Palin put on another display of her signature disjointed overuse of adjectives babbling style of speaking.

Another reason why she is unelectable.

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:42 AM

OK, the idiot is in the house and now it’s time for bed.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:41 AM

We can easily agree on that. Good night, Knuck. :)

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 1:43 AM

Being skeptical of a 1/2 term governor of the 46th ranked state of the union classifies as “hate”.

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:36 AM

I saw you make this point on another thread as well. What is Alaska ranked 46th in? Population?

Anyway, I don’t mind if people are skeptical of Palin. I am skeptical of plenty of people in the field right now and am more than happy to continue to let them make their case.

Kataklysmic on July 14, 2011 at 1:44 AM

the problem for the GOp establishment is that Reaganism wins elections but it doesn’t enrich their pockets. therefore they like to talk reaganism on the cmapaign trail and then rule government under socialism. They would much rather stop the lies and just go scoialism during the election process too.

IMO the TEa party which is a reaganite group scared them because many in the gop establishment have thought that the era of Reagan really was over. And they know their cozy relationships would be destoryed with a return to Reaganism. So places lie foxnews turned to the center to try to damp down the reaganism spreading around the country. To a certian extant they have been able to blunt it since the election of 2010 but this debtlimit vote has the possibility of igniting it again.

unseen on July 14, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Great post.

Kataklysmic on July 14, 2011 at 1:46 AM

I saw you make this point on another thread as well. What is Alaska ranked 46th in? Population?

Anyway, I don’t mind if people are skeptical of Palin. I am skeptical of plenty of people in the field right now and am more than happy to continue to let them make their case.

Kataklysmic on July 14, 2011 at 1:44 AM

Economy.

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:47 AM

OK, the idiot is in the house and now it’s time for bed.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:41 AM

Make sure grammy turns on your night light.

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:48 AM

Bwahahahahaha!!! Being skeptical of a 1/2 term governor of the 46th ranked state of the union classifies as “hate”.
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:36 AM

Way to prove the point. 46th ranked in what, may I ask?

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 1:48 AM

Economy.

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:47 AM

46th largest, you mean?

that’s it. We should elect Moonbeam Brown. After all, he’s been governor for a long time and of the largest economy in the US.

Faultless logic, that.

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 1:49 AM

Economy.

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:47 AM

That makes sense. Seems to me sound fiscal policy is sound fiscal policy whether it’s a household or the globe’s sole superpower. You pay your debts and live within your means. Maybe I’m just a simpleton.

Kataklysmic on July 14, 2011 at 1:49 AM

her signature disjointed overuse of adjectives babbling style of speaking.

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:42 AM

Well that sure was clear as mud. You should teach grammar courses.

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 1:51 AM

I saw you make this point on another thread as well. What is Alaska ranked 46th in? Population?

Kataklysmic on July 14, 2011 at 1:44 AM.

48th with regards to the population according to Wiki and the 2000 Census. I haven’t a clue where that 46% number is coming from.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:52 AM

her signature disjointed overuse of adjectives babbling style of speaking.

csdeven on July 14, 2011 at 1:42 AM

Well that sure was clear as mud. You should teach grammar courses.

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 1:51 AM

I hear you, but hey–at least he watches her interviews. That’s more than I can say for many of her detractors who made up their minds about her 3 years ago and have put their hands over their ears and sung “LALALALA” about all things Palin ever since.

Kataklysmic on July 14, 2011 at 1:55 AM

As much as I don’t think T-Paw was (or is) out of line, Bachmann’s response to his pokes was masterful. I dread having to choose Bachmann or Perry in a theoretical head-to-head primary match-up. It’d be a difficult choice for me.

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 1:21 AM

Tell me you are joking. He took her a week to come up with that. Perry would destroy her. What would she talk about? How many budget she put together?? How may jobs she created?? MB is sound bites. She has no record. Remind me again, her and her husband have a private business and that is how she creats jobs.

oldyeller on July 14, 2011 at 1:56 AM

48th with regards to the population according to Wiki and the 2000 Census. I haven’t a clue where that 46% number is coming from.

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 1:52 AM

Yeah, I grew up there. I’m pretty sure there were times when we were 49th or 50th in those days. Part of the charm, really. You are definitely taking your cruise at a beautiful time of the year. I hope you enjoy some good weather. If not, I guess you have that 3 story IMAX to enjoy, lol.

Kataklysmic on July 14, 2011 at 1:57 AM

Tell me you are joking. He took her a week to come up with that. Perry would destroy her. What would she talk about? How many budget she put together?? How may jobs she created?? MB is sound bites. She has no record. Remind me again, her and her husband have a private business and that is how she creats jobs.

oldyeller on July 14, 2011 at 1:56 AM

No record in government =/= no record, Yeller. And as though I need to remind you, Bachmann isn’t my first choice. Neither is Rick “Governor Gardasil” Perry. But neither of them, differences in experience notwithstanding, is the same kind of utterly empty suit as Barack Hussein Soetoro-Obama.

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 1:58 AM

Good grief…you tired old hacks need to stop it with the vapors every time I discuss who else I like besides my first choice. Everyone has pros and cons, and no one is perfect. The system is unfortunate in that I only get to vote for one, and I may not get to vote for my #1 pick by the time my primary rolls around. Get over yourselves, drama queens!

gryphon202 on July 14, 2011 at 2:01 AM

oldyeller on July 14, 2011 at 1:56 AM

Do you want to go the foster kid route as far as Bachmann is concerned?..:)

Dire Straits on July 14, 2011 at 2:01 AM

Yeah, I grew up there. I’m pretty sure there were times when we were 49th or 50th in those days. Part of the charm, really. You are definitely taking your cruise at a beautiful time of the year. I hope you enjoy some good weather. If not, I guess you have that 3 story IMAX to enjoy, lol.

Kataklysmic on July 14, 2011 at 1:57 AM

Thanks, I’m praying for decent weather cause I froze up in the Baltic’s this past May. I’m going to love those late sunsets like I had in Russia, Finland and Sweden.

I won’t be on the Epic, but a smaller Holland America ship that only holds 1400 passengers. I guess they need the smaller ships to get into Glacier Bay, or so they told me.

I can’t wait!!!!

Knucklehead on July 14, 2011 at 2:02 AM

Do you want to go the foster kid route as far as Bachmann is concerned?..:)

Dire Straits on July 14, 2011 at 2:01 AM

Another “all criticism of Bachmann is unfair!” proponent?

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 2:08 AM

alwaysfiredup on July 14, 2011 at 2:08 AM

You tell me..Are you on the MB took Foster Kids for money train?..:)

Dire Straits on July 14, 2011 at 2:12 AM

It’s a shame what some of the Palin supporters are doing to both Bachmann and Perry

2+ years of refuting the lies of the MSM plus “friendly fire”, or silence if that suited their purposes, from some R’s that are angling for their piece of pie has resulted in what you claim…

Vetting candidates is what the run up to the Primaries and the Primary process is for. Get back to me when someone that differs with Palin on policy issues defends her against 36 hours of abdicate/15 second ads/63%, school marm, naughty librarian, nasal voice, doesn’t do interviews, 17 hours of lying liars lying, can’t win, but don’t run, cuz she sucks all the air out of the room, not fair to the other candidates (their preferred candidate), or any of the many other non-policy baseless personal attacks…

Bottom line, what you claim some Palin supporters are now doing is no more than Mitt’s supporters have been doing since Nov. ’08. This thread — like many others — also has Huntsman, T-Paw and supporters of other candidates making similar non-policy comments. Why have those non-policy “complaints” been acceptable, because Palin is not your, or other’s, preferred candidate? Why are the mostly substantive vetting of other candidates not acceptable?…

Gohawgs on July 14, 2011 at 2:13 AM

Heard somewhere that Sir Flopney bravely came out supporting gay marriage today. Did he say something about debt ceiling yet or has he not made his mind?

promachus on July 14, 2011 at 2:15 AM

Things to note

Mitt Romney is performing better than all the candidates in the race against Obama.

Palin on the other performs the worst amongst all candidates.

I am not really sure who I will finally vote for in nov but I know I won’t be caught up with any personalities that can threaten our hopes to unseat obama.

TimeTraveler on July 14, 2011 at 2:17 AM

Dire Straits on July 14, 2011 at 2:12 AM

Did either mention or imply such?

Gohawgs on July 14, 2011 at 2:17 AM

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