Good news: U.S. favorable rating in Arab world now lower than during Bush era

posted at 9:52 pm on July 13, 2011 by Allahpundit

Jonah Goldberg mockingly wonders how this can be when we were assured three years ago that the mere fact of O’s middle name would buy us a whole new line of credit in the Middle East. It’s almost as if that entire line of “argument” was an embarrassingly facile exercise in wishful thinking, designed to paper over deep political and cultural differences with a sub-moronic appeal to identity politics.

Follow the last link and read Alana Goodman’s take. As it is, I’ll pluck four goodies from the crosstabs for your consideration. First, Zogby’s data shows widespread disapproval in the six countries surveyed of “the continuing occupation of Palestinian lands” — while leaving that term conveniently left undefined. If the respondents simply mean to say that they want a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians on Gaza and the West Bank, well, fine. The White House can try to help them out on that. If they mean that Israel is occupying “Palestinian land” through its mere existence, then the poll is not only useless but self-discrediting. Zogby should have pressed for specificity.

Speaking of self-discrediting, presented without comment:

Okay, one comment. I could understand voting “no impact” — one of the lessons of the Arab Spring is that many people care more about bread and butter economic issues than terror drama — but “no impact” fails to carry a majority in any of the five countries surveyed. On the contrary, there are clear majorities in every last one, including a near-supermajority among our good friends in Egypt, who say killing Bin Laden hurt their opinion of the United States. Good enough to say “to hell with them”? Or do you need this too?

Iran’s racing towards nuclear weapons which it’ll use to terrorize and extort the Sunni world, and yet, aside from the Kingdom, Ahmadinejad polls higher than Obama in every single one. If only there was something he could do to endear himself to the public. Oh wait — he did do something. He launched a war against Qaddafi to prove to Arab protesters that he was on the side of the people against the tyrants who oppressed them. Two polls on how that’s working out goodwill-wise:


In four countries, including pivotal Egypt, he’s deeply underwater in his handling of Libya, and in five of the six the Libya mission is as low a priority or even lower than finally winding down the Iraq war. Too bad didn’t Zog didn’t poll directly on how important, say, drone strikes in Pakistan or the escalation in Afghanistan are to those surveyed: One possible explanation for why his numbers are worse than Bush’s is because, in certain ways, his counterterror policy has been Bush squared. But we do have a proxy for that question — the Bin Laden data — and it speaks volumes about where people come down in the debate between U.S. counterterror priorities and the sacred inviolable sovereignty of Muslim lands. Oh well. Agree to disagree.

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“Thank you, President Obama.”

artist on July 13, 2011 at 9:55 PM

God bless you, Mr. President.

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 9:19 PM

This was the thread you meant to put that in – right?

batterup on July 13, 2011 at 9:56 PM

No wonder Obowma was testy today…

Seven Percent Solution on July 13, 2011 at 9:57 PM

Maybe these muslims resent the democrat Jewish voting bloc.

keep the change on July 13, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Now that’s change I can believe in, the guy is a total moron.

MJZZZ on July 13, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Maybe he should go over there, bow to some more folks and make some more speeches. It works for his donors. I like self confidence as much as the next person but this guy is a legend in his on mind.

Cindy Munford on July 13, 2011 at 9:59 PM

God bless you, Mr. President.

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 9:19 PM

(I knew this would come in handy…)

Seven Percent Solution on July 13, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Thank you Mr. President.

-crr6

jawkneemusic on July 13, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Apparently Obama should have walked out on his own Cairo speech instead of the debt talks.

batterup on July 13, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Thank you Mr. Presidente

El_Terrible on July 13, 2011 at 10:02 PM

So what do these news mean for his overseas fundraising operations?

El_Terrible on July 13, 2011 at 10:03 PM

So what do these news mean for his overseas fundraising operations?

El_Terrible on July 13, 2011 at 10:03 PM

I was just thinking the same thing…

… Homey is gonna hafta accept pesos this time around.

Seven Percent Solution on July 13, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Muslims do not respect weakness… bow to them and they will mock you.

mankai on July 13, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Honestly, I don’t care what those sand dwellers think.

SouthernGent on July 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM

What happened to that NASA muslim outreach thingy? Did it get canned, or are these people simply impatient ingrates?

Cody1991 on July 13, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Muslims do not respect weakness… bow to them and they will mock you.

mankai on July 13, 2011 at 10:08 PM

I still think that the Secret Service should have blown that Iraqi reporters head off on the spot when he threw his shoes at President Bush.

MJZZZ on July 13, 2011 at 10:14 PM

The Arab Spring is flourishing.

Name me one people who are free, due to Obama. Pls. don’t name the Black Panthers.

Schadenfreude on July 13, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Honestly, I don’t care what those sand dwellers think.

SouthernGent on July 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM

True… but we were promised they’d love us, terrorism would cease as a result… and peace, love and groovyness would rule the world.

mankai on July 13, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Well, personally, even though he likely did it by incompetence rather than intent, I must for the first time in a long time give Obama some credit here, as if the Arabs like us even less, he must have stumbled on to doing something right.

Lon Chaney on July 13, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Glenn Greenwald and Dennis Kucinich are starting to be my new favorite liberals. They’re ranting on Obama 24/7, calling him out on every single hypocritical thing he’s done since he was sworn in — on the GWOT, executive power, debt, drones, detention, you name it. At least they’re consistent. And the comments on Glenn’s article are hilarious. Don’t know what liberal planet crr6 lives on, but a good portion of Obama’s prog base is pretty displeased.

Firefly_76 on July 13, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Muslims do not respect weakness… bow to them and they will mock you.

mankai on July 13, 2011 at 10:08 PM

That’s what American leaders have to understand. Being nice to muslims and arabs (and paks and persians) gets you nowhere. Strong horse and all that. Thousands of years of culture is not going to change overnight.

slickwillie2001 on July 13, 2011 at 10:22 PM

The Arab Spring is flourishing.

Name me one people who are free, due to Obama. Pls. don’t name the Black Panthers.

Schadenfreude on July 13, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Here ya go: South Sudan Celebrates Independence Thanks to Efforts By George W. Bush

Oops, wrong president.

slickwillie2001 on July 13, 2011 at 10:24 PM

I must for the first time in a long time give Obama some credit here, as if the Arabs like us even less, he must have stumbled on to doing something right.

Lon Chaney on July 13, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Or give Michelle the credit. She is the one that said that she is now proud of America on the campaign trail….then wants to completely transform it.
Just sayin’

Electrongod on July 13, 2011 at 10:25 PM

You know who’s really to blame?

The J O O S !

Of course they’re not, but I read a piece earlier today in which BHO’s lack of toughness as perceived by the arab world is a factor to his sliding favorability numbers. Poor Barack. He just can’t catch a break these days.

madmonkphotog on July 13, 2011 at 10:28 PM

What happened to that NASA muslim outreach thingy? Did it get canned, or are these people simply impatient ingrates?

Cody1991 on July 13, 2011 at 10:12 PM

The Pentagon mostly took over on all that. NASA was going to go to Mars and then it was going to go to an asteroid instead. Then it was discovered that the Pentagon had leap froged NASA and had already gone to a place with even more primitive life forms than 99% of all asteroids. I think there are now about 100,000 there as it is a very large endeavor. They seem to be marooned there with no way back in the foreseeable future. I think the head space cadet in charge over there has even gone native and has taken up the primitive moon god religion of the primitive life forms there and even makes his lady afghnaonauts, as I think some have taken to calling them, wear the female slaves garments of the primitive life forms. I have no idea why there are still there and doing these kind of sociology experiments with such primitive life forms, but it must be very important to justify all the time and expense. We must all trust that our country’s highly educated and visionary leadership knows what it is doing.

Cheshire Cat on July 13, 2011 at 10:29 PM

It doesn’t matter what the Middle Eastern people do or don’t respect. It doesn’t matter why they believe what they believe. It doesn’t matter how the questions are asked.

We were assured that once a certain kind of man was in the Oval Office, foreign relations with the Middle East would drastically improve. That’s what matters. Looking for ways out of the fact that the promise wasn’t met, that the presumed impact of this President didn’t come to pass, but that we have in fact become more hated than ever, is just blame-shifting after the fact. On these issues, the one thing that the White House cannot do is…

Blame Bush. But they will try in 4…3…2…

Well, at least they’re consistent in the West Wing. They’ve failed to improve the economy (because they are busy driving deeper into the ditch instead of selecting R for reverse and backing out);they’ve failed to put in place a national budget, just one of the main responsibilities of the office; they’ve failed to improve unemployment because they are keeping employers afraid of their next move; they’ve failed to raise opinion of the U.S. with a single nation abroad (Venezuela possibly excepted); they’ve failed a bid for a Chicago Olympic games.

I think the only thing done right under this watch has been the killing of bin Laden. That should be enough to run on, right?

Freelancer on July 13, 2011 at 10:31 PM

This should make you guys happy, right? During Bush’s presidency I remember you all arguing that a low approval rating among the Arab world was an indication that the war on terror was a success.

Surely you wouldn’t change your views simply because of the party identification of the current President, right?

Right?

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Goddam heathens is just bein all racist agin a black man.

BigWyo on July 13, 2011 at 10:33 PM

crr6,
that was pretty dumb

rob verdi on July 13, 2011 at 10:35 PM

A condescending president who cannot be trusted…who is an apostate by Islamic standards…who has not yet done anything of worth for the region, save for getting a lot of people killed for no good reasons…ya know, these Middle Easterners may actually have a clue.

coldwarrior on July 13, 2011 at 10:36 PM

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Remind me again when Bush went to Egypt, dropped trou, and said “I’m sorry I ‘lead’ a country that has done you noble people so wrong”

That’s apparently paying off in spades…..

BigWyo on July 13, 2011 at 10:38 PM

crr6,
that was pretty dumb

rob verdi on July 13, 2011 at 10:35 PM

It pretty much bats .1000

BigWyo on July 13, 2011 at 10:40 PM

Paging President Palin!

PappyD61 on July 13, 2011 at 10:40 PM

This should make you guys happy, right? During Bush’s presidency I remember you all arguing that a low approval rating among the Arab world was an indication that the war on terror was a success.

Surely you wouldn’t change your views simply because of the party identification of the current President, right?

Right?

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Wow, it got awfully quiet in this thread. Interesting!

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Awe. poor, poor Hollywood. And they had such high hopes for Barack: “the world will love us again”. At least they got their Hopey-Changey wish of GITMO being closed…oh wait!

TN Mom on July 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Does this mean those in Arab nations are racists too?

capejasmine on July 13, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Cheshire Cat on July 13, 2011 at 10:29 PM

:)) Thanks for explaining. lol

Cody1991 on July 13, 2011 at 10:46 PM

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Didn’t Obama promise that his way of doing things would make our standing in the world better, and we’d be liked? I do believe so. Now it’s worse. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

capejasmine on July 13, 2011 at 10:48 PM

You know what, I think Mr. President’s biggest mistake was running in 2008. He wasn’t ready. He wasn’t experienced enough. He was too cocky. He was too much of a narcissist. He thought everything would go his way and from every indication from his adoring media fans on the left he had every reason to believe it would. Imagine his surprise in 2010 that this just isn’t the case. Well guess what, Mr. President…it’s not so easy to just stand behind a podium and say you’re the best there is…you have to prove it. And so far…you’ve failed. He should have proven himself first and run in, I don’t know, 2020? I feel bad for his daughters…didn’t one of them say when he was elected something along the lines of “huh, first black president, better make it good.”?

scalleywag on July 13, 2011 at 10:49 PM

4 posts within 4 minutes of crr’s “interesting” comment.

Not so quiet now, is it?!

capejasmine on July 13, 2011 at 10:49 PM

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Didn’t Obama promise that his way of doing things would make our standing in the world better, and we’d be liked? I do believe so. Now it’s worse. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

capejasmine on July 13, 2011 at 10:48 PM

Remind me again when Bush went to Egypt, dropped trou, and said “I’m sorry I ‘lead’ a country that has done you noble people so wrong”

That’s apparently paying off in spades…..

BigWyo on July 13, 2011 at 10:38 PM

BigWyo on July 13, 2011 at 10:57 PM

scalleywag.
yup, he could have seasoned in the senate for 4 or 8 more years and have a better grasp of Congress and made him less dependent on Pelosi and Reid.

rob verdi on July 13, 2011 at 10:57 PM

SMART POWER! Restoring America’s standing in the world!11!1!

Seriously, from now on the words “Obama” and “Foreign policy” shouldn’t be used unless the word “failed” is inserted between the former and the latter.

Obama’s failed foreign policy. It has a certain ring to it; the ring of truth…

RocketmanBob on July 13, 2011 at 11:01 PM

Does this mean those in Arab nations are racists too?

capejasmine on July 13, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Yes. The NAACP will release a statement shortly…

TN Mom on July 13, 2011 at 11:01 PM

Wow, it got awfully quiet in this thread. Interesting!

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM

It doesn’t bother you that Obama… and the entire Left… ran on the premise that their way would change perceptions in the Arab world… and that hasn’t happened?

Surely you wouldn’t change your views simply because the exact opposite of what your side PROMISED has come to pass?

Personally, I don’t give a flip what the Muslim world thinks of America, but your side ran a campaign based on the notion that it is vitally important that the Arab world like us.

mankai on July 13, 2011 at 11:27 PM

In a March 2008 Washington Post interview, Obama said the United States should work to advance democracy by setting an example and banning torture, extraordinary rendition and by closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay.

How’s that working out?

mankai on July 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM

It looks like “you are with us or you are against us” works better than kissing Arab/Muslim ass.

Damn!

Really Right on July 13, 2011 at 11:36 PM

It looks like “you are with us or you are against us” works better than kissing Arab/Muslim ass.

Damn!

Really Right on July 13, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Whoda Thunk it??

BigWyo on July 14, 2011 at 12:00 AM

Quick! Someone press the reset button!

JavelinaBomb on July 14, 2011 at 12:07 AM

Wow, it got awfully quiet in this thread. Interesting!

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Oh come on, your point was idiotic.

Chuck Schick on July 14, 2011 at 1:11 AM

I remember you all arguing that a low approval rating among the Arab world was an indication that the war on terror was a success.

crr6

I remember you having a tendency to post stupid sh!t. Apparently you still do.

xblade on July 14, 2011 at 1:45 AM

Clearly it’s time to fire up AF1 and head over there for another Cairo speech.

MJBrutus on July 14, 2011 at 7:09 AM

Just one more box left unchecked in a long line of deliverables he couldn’t produce.

If this sack of sh!t was junior project manager in the private sector he’d be in the bread lines.

Alden Pyle on July 14, 2011 at 7:28 AM

Wow, it got awfully quiet in this thread. Interesting!

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM

A glittering jewel of colossal ignorance.

NoFanofLibs on July 14, 2011 at 7:59 AM

It doesn’t matter. The man could axe murder a puppy on national television and his followers would overlook it and somehow tie it to Bush, the right’s hypocrisy, and our hate for old people and minorities.

gator70 on July 14, 2011 at 8:04 AM

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Translated: “I voted for Bush Lite”

Del Dolemonte on July 14, 2011 at 8:10 AM

When you can’t get your voters to go along, big trouble ahead.

tarpon on July 14, 2011 at 8:11 AM

Count it !

viking01 on July 14, 2011 at 8:18 AM

Earth to heal and sea levels to fall any minute now. Annnny minute. Waiting…waiting…

curved space on July 14, 2011 at 8:27 AM

Wonder where crr6 is.

It’s awfully quite in this thread…don’t hear much comment from Team Obama, considering this was one of their chief talking points on the campaign trail in 2007 and 2008.

Perhaps she thinks that if she ignores inconvenient facts, they go away.

Good Lt on July 14, 2011 at 8:52 AM

Wow, it got awfully quiet in this thread. Interesting!

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM

It’s pretty quiet in here this morning.

Good Lt on July 14, 2011 at 8:53 AM

From the “We Love Bin Ladin” polls, it looks like the United Arab Emerates are a lot more westernized than most other countries there. (It didn’t give results for Kuwait or qatar.)

UAE is a federalized group of small monarchies. That may be the closest thing to a democracy that can remain stable there.

logis on July 14, 2011 at 9:16 AM

Remember, this is a Zogby Poll. He’s had a checkered past as far as accuracy of his results is concerned.

In other words, the numbers for O’bama in the Middle East are probably in reality much worse than these numbers-although it would be hard for Likeke to get any lower than that lofty 5% he has in the country he bowed to!

Del Dolemonte on July 14, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Good Lt on July 14, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Anyone ever see crr6 and Alan Colmes in the same room at the same time?

Del Dolemonte on July 14, 2011 at 9:40 AM

“From the “We Love Bin Ladin” polls…”

The fact that the US military operation in Pakistan was not looked at favorably by Muslims is not the same as saying Muslims “love bin Laden”. Louis Posada Carriles is a terrorist that launched terrorist attacks against Cuba from the US. Let’s say Cuba launched a miltary raid into the middle of Miami, captured him, and killed him. Would that Cuban military raid into Miami make you “more” or “less” favorable towards Cuba? If it would make you less favorable towards Cuba, does that mean you are a terrorist lover?

dave742 on July 14, 2011 at 9:56 AM

Obama wants the love, but without respect, there is no love. After bowing and apologizing as president and now Bush is more popular. Groveling to your adversaries does have consequences.

volsense on July 14, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Groveling to your adversaries does have consequences.

The constant bombing of Islamic countries under Obama may have more of an impact on Muslim opinion than Obama’s speeches and bowing.

dave742 on July 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM

This should make you guys happy, right? During Bush’s presidency I remember you all arguing that a low approval rating among the Arab world was an indication that the war on terror was a success.

Surely you wouldn’t change your views simply because of the party identification of the current President, right?

Right?

crr6 on July 13, 2011 at 10:32 PM

I don’t recall that claim whatsoever. I certainly never argued that. I think we claimed that the arab world was always going to dislike us no matter what – while the liberals claimed that “smart diplomacy” would somehow make them love us and then took it a step further and claimed that Idiot O would make teh arab world love us by virtue of his very being.

So, your dishonest argument (as always) fails to change the fact that Idiot O’s person did not make anyone love or respect the U.S., but has actually had the opposite effect. So much for being a “brilliant” guy who would use “smart diplomacy”.

Monkeytoe on July 14, 2011 at 11:00 AM

Doesn’t the commerce clause gives congress the power to order the arab world to love us?

Monkeytoe on July 14, 2011 at 11:01 AM

The constant bombing of Islamic countries under Obama may have more of an impact on Muslim opinion than Obama’s speeches and bowing.

dave742 on July 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Which Islamic countries has O’bama “constantly bombed” in the past 29 months?

Del Dolemonte on July 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM

A condescending president who cannot be trusted…who is an apostate by Islamic standards…who has not yet done anything of worth for the region, save for getting a lot of people killed for no good reasons…ya know, these Middle Easterners may actually have a clue.
coldwarrior on July 13, 2011 at 10:36 PM

In THEORY, Obama killing Osama could have been seen as a sign of strength. Killing fellow leaders doesn’t make a Khalifah inherently wrong; it it only makes him seem more powerful than the foes he’s defeated.

But Taqiyya is a harsh mistress. Barack Hussein Obama is in a very touchy spot right now. He will have to step forward and make some claim that Obama’s leadership will help advance the Caliphate more than Osama’s did.

I’m still waiting for the other shoe to drop. Ayers and Dorn got the “Day of Rage” started in the Middle East using the same tactics they used in their Weatherman “Days of Rage” riots in Chicago. But that was the easy part.

There are lots of Imams happily slaughtering each other right now to become the new Ayatollah Khomeini in each of these new Islamic Rev0lutions – and none of them will want to kowtow to the country they’ve been teaching is “The Great Satan.” In order to pull this off, at some point, Obama will have to step forward and claim personal responsiblity for the New Caliphate — AND he’ll have to publically proclaim that he is just as overtly opposed to the evil American infidels.

It’s just a little hard to see how that won’t hurt him at the polls.

logis on July 14, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM

I guess I need to be more careful with my wording, since some people can’t understand the simple message I was trying to convey.

I hereby change my post to read:

The continuing bombing of some Islamic countries under Obama, the increased bombing of some Islamic countries under Obama, the bombing of hitherto unbombed (at least recently) Islamic countries under Obama, the continuing support of dictators in some Islamic countries under Obama, the various efforts at destabilizing some Islamic countries under Obama, the threats of bombing hitherto unbombed Islamic countries under Obama, and the continuing role under Obama of being Israel’s bitch, may all have an impact on Muslim opinion greater than Obama’s speeches and bowing.

dave742 on July 14, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Iran’s racing towards nuclear weapons which it’ll use to terrorize and extort the Sunni world…

The story that is linked to that supposedly provides support for this statement is about the Fordow facility. This facility will be used to make enriched uranium for a medical research reactor. This is completely legal under Iran’s safeguards agreement, and Iran is doing nothing wrong. To claim that this facility is evidence that Iran is “racing towards nuclear weapons” is ridiculous.

dave742 on July 14, 2011 at 1:52 PM

First, Zogby’s data

Did not have to read any further. Worst pollster in the world. Even Research2000′s made up data was more accurate.

AngusMc on July 14, 2011 at 3:17 PM