Gallup: Just 20% support cuts-only deficit reduction

posted at 6:05 pm on July 13, 2011 by Allahpundit

Interesting, enough so that it might end up being touted by the GOP leadership at its next presser. Before I go eeyore on you, though, have a look at the numbers:

The good news? Not only are independents heavily weighted towards spending less, even Democrats prefer cuts to tax hikes on balance. Among the overall sample, 50 percent prefer a deal involving only/mostly cuts, 11 percent prefer a deal involving only/mostly new taxes, and 32 percent prefer an equal mix. If you wanted statistical evidence that Americans are finally starting to grasp that we’re out of money, well, there you go. All of which is super — except no one’s seriously proposing a debt-ceiling deal that would involve mostly tax increases or even a 50/50 mix. The only options are the GOP’s cuts-only approach and some sort of compromise comprised mostly of cuts plus several hundred billion in taxes. Viewed that way, per Gallup, there’s just 20 percent support overall for the GOP position and 26 percent support for it among Republicans, a plurality of whom say they’re willing to tolerate some tax increases so long as the bulk of deficit reduction is done with cuts. Moreover, the phrasing of the question here actually benefits the GOP. Everyone supports “cutting spending” in the abstract; even leftists would be happy to break out the shears for, say, a “defense cuts only” package. A more incisive way to ask this question would have been to specify “cuts” as entitlement reform of the sort Paul Ryan and the House GOP are after. How do you think these numbers would fare if, say, the word “Medicare” was tossed in there?

Needless to say, this is why McConnell’s looking for ways to punt the debt-ceiling decision to Obama. If we default and the country really does turn into a Hieronymous Bosch painting economically, the Democratic narrative about which side made it happen by refusing to compromise is ready-made and, given these numbers, may find lots of receptive voters. (Or will it?) Also needless to say, this is why Tom Coburn’s suddenly making noise about rejoining the Gang of Six after quitting the group two months ago. He says he’s sent over some ideas and is waiting to hear back from them; no doubt he figures that, with Congress nearing panic mode, they’ll be more willing to hear him out in the name of compromise than they were before. Remember when Alan Simpson said, “Pray for the Gang of Six”? Well, here they come. Deus ex machina.

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What, no numbers available on how many people support taxing the wheelchair used to run Grandma off the cliff?

Lily on July 13, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Headline s/b “only with tax increases”?

TexasDan on July 13, 2011 at 6:11 PM

people have no idea how much waste there is in federal spending. Probably could and should cut $ by half and no one would see a difference in their lives, except for the highly paid angry birds players the government current employs.

joeindc44 on July 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

99% of liberals support abolishing the military and confiscating every last penny from “rich” people to balance the budget.

Bishop on July 13, 2011 at 6:13 PM

I don’t believe any of these dolts have any idea what to do and are just bouncing around like atoms in free space. I’m afraid we’re about to collapse under the weight of our own incompetence and stupidity.

rplat on July 13, 2011 at 6:13 PM

“If we default and the country really does turn into a Hieronymous Bosch painting economically…”

What if we don’t default…?

Seven Percent Solution on July 13, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Lets raise taxes on the rich and cut out the EPA, NLRB, and allow Southern California to secede from California. I think that would even out the damage.

TheQuestion on July 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

translation: Americans are all addicted to Govt goodies.

We ALL want some of the Obama “Stash” apparently?

If so……goodbye Republic.

PappyD61 on July 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

If we default

*facepalm

equanimous on July 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

If we default

That has been shown to be false yet people keep saying it as though it’s true, even people on our own side. Is Chicken Little stills so compelling after all of the false alarms?

FloatingRock on July 13, 2011 at 6:19 PM

The problem is that the GOP hasn’t been successful in educating the public about the math. Their talking point is that “we don’t have a taxing problem, we have a spending problem,” but that’s an empty phrase.

The sobering reality is that you can’t raise taxes enough to close the deficit even if you wanted to. In 2009, the Government collected $2.2 trillion in revenue. Our deficit this year is $1.4 trillion. To close that gap with tax increases, you’d have to raise tax rates by 60%, taking the top rate from 35 to 56%.

What do you think that’d do to the economy?

Outlander on July 13, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Add a tax on unions.

You know millionaires and billionaires.

clement on July 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM

So let’s assume this is true (poll results)….let’s progress this scenario.

Debt ceiling raised to $465 bazillion.

Creditors (Foreign govs, banks, etc.) decide the need more collateral so the FedGov raises taxes, etc.

We have to give them what eventually as collateral?
Hawaii? Alaska? Texas? All our National park land? All or Natural Gas reserves? People? What?

How does this end?

PappyD61 on July 13, 2011 at 6:24 PM

I am all for increased revenue enhancements.

Enhancement 1, No farm subsidies.
Enhancement 2, No green tax credits.
Enhancement 3, No refundable tax credits for anyone, period, this would be my first year to be eligible for these.
Enhancement 4, No making work pay tax credits, this would be my first year to be eligible for this tax benefit.
Enhancement 5, No mortgage interest deduction, for which this is the first year that I am eligible.

All these things are absolutely luxuries. They need to end, period.

astonerii on July 13, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Tax increases in this economy? The problem is that the spending cuts never materialize. See 1982-1983 and 1990.

ddrintn on July 13, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Watch Mortgage Interest Deduction will be reduced on McMansions. Please Note according to IRS definitions: A McMansion start at 900 sq ft which a purchase price of $50,000.

Now, if the cuts are extremely deep and profound like: repeal of O-care, privatization of SS, major cuts to programs, NATO, elimitation Depts of Ed and E, Medicare reform, and whole list of other stuff. I might support grandual phase out cut in that Deduction, but it has to be major change in the budget.

Oil Can on July 13, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Gallup: Just 20% support cuts-only deficit reduction

Yeah, sure…. I seem to recall a bunch of polls showing that the the tea party was a powerless joke—until November of ’10 when the false MSM narrative hit the fan.

FloatingRock on July 13, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Enhancement 6, ban public sector unions,

Enhancement 7, privatize all public sector employee pensions

joeindc44 on July 13, 2011 at 6:41 PM

USA will go over the cliff sooner or later, just jump and get it over with. No matter when the final piece of string holing up final breaks it will not be a soft landing. The elites have not made it to be a soft landing they built the framework to catch out of toothpicks and duct tape it will not hold it will be a hard landing in to the rocks.

tjexcite on July 13, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Hieronymous Bosch..?

d1carter on July 13, 2011 at 6:43 PM

The good news? Not only are independents heavily weighted towards spending less, even Democrats prefer cuts to tax hikes on balance.

Glass is half full: At least some are understanding that the silly notion of Spreading the wealth around is dying out.

Chip on July 13, 2011 at 6:44 PM

You can tax everyone making $1M+ at 100% and it wouldn’t cover 1/2 the deficit.

angryed on July 13, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Then ask everyone who wants a mix of taxes and cuts to send $1K check into the IRS pronto.

If they mean it, pony up: don’t spend other people’s money, fork your own over.

ajacksonian on July 13, 2011 at 6:46 PM

In this poll is a removal of a deductions considered a tax increase or a spending cut?

Take the mortgage interest deduction. If it’s removed and someone pays $1000 more because of it, is it a tax ncrease or is it a spending cut? It can be argued it’s both. The tax payer pays more tax. But the govt cuts spending since the mortgage deduction is nothing more than a welfare payment from the govt to the housing industry.

angryed on July 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM

So that we all understand this situation a bit better: The History of the Debt Ceiling.

poorrichardsnews on July 13, 2011 at 6:51 PM

At least a spending reduction can be quantified on paper. How on earth can anyone reliably predict the plus or minus revenue effect of a particular tax increase?

Seth Halpern on July 13, 2011 at 6:54 PM

let’s tax teh 47% who don’t pay taxes, so they can also pay their fair share.

joeindc44 on July 13, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Even Democrats may be beginning tor ealize that we are out of other people’s money, but I don’t think most people understand the economics at all.

Most people, including the Obamedia and apparently most Democrats, continue to engage and rely on static analysis of a dynamic process. Dynamic analysis reveals:

HIGHER TAXES DOES NOT = HIGHER REVENUES.

HIGHER GDP DOES = HIGHER REVENUES.

So if you need more money, stop choking the economy with uncertainty and fears of higher taxes, more regulations, and more corrupt political selections of winners and losers, and stop choking domestic energy production. If the economy gets rolling again, the problems we face become far more manageable.

novaculus on July 13, 2011 at 6:57 PM

To close that gap with tax increases, you’d have to raise tax rates by 60%, taking the top rate from 35 to 56%.

What do you think that’d do to the economy?

Outlander on July 13, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Most people don’t have the faintest clue what that would do to the economy — let alone that any rate increase today will actually REDUCE total government revenues and INCREASE the deficit.

logis on July 13, 2011 at 6:59 PM

At least a spending reduction can be quantified on paper. How on earth can anyone reliably predict the plus or minus revenue effect of a particular tax increase?

Seth Halpern on July 13, 2011 at 6:54 PM

You use liberal math. 1+1=18. Or 19 or 21. Doesn’t matter. If you disagree you’re racist.

angryed on July 13, 2011 at 6:59 PM

You want to ‘share the pain’? Flat tax on all earners, no deductions at all, the poor can pay a discounted rate but if you earn so much as $1k you pay in $50. Then put the same flat tax on businesses, remove all categories of business type, allowances, depreciation, and just get a flat tax with no deductions or reductions at the exact, same rate to businesses.

If these are ‘corporate citizens’ then treat them as real citizens and don’t give them any difference: treat all equally.

Yeah that would be extremely painful.

Everyone would have to pay for this mess.

That is called: ‘social justice’ the hard way without favoring anyone or any business over any other. If we are all ‘in it together’ then we can all start picking up buckets and bailing.

The upshot is that if you want to ‘tax the rich’ you will also end up taxing the poor. If you want to sock it to big business, then you sock it to everyone else, too. Screw the hypocrisy and class warfare: treat us all equally or there will soon be a government that will do so as this one is a failure to try and divide us and put us at each other’s throats.

ajacksonian on July 13, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Hieronymous Bosch..?

d1carter on July 13, 2011 at 6:43 PM

1. A famous painter/artist

2. A/k/a Harry Bosch, main character in the Michael Connelly detective novels (very good stuff) 1/2 brother of Mickey Haller from the “Lincoln Lawyer”

3. Hieronymous Bosch aka Harry Bosch, distinguished real life detective from California. Father was Michael Haller, 1/2 brother is Mickey Haller Jr.

How’s that?????????????

Knucklehead on July 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM

novaculus on July 13, 2011 at 6:57 PM

The sad truth is most people don’t understand basic economics. Most people think if they get a tax refund it means they pay no taxes. And that’s what this is…explaining the nuance of tax/spend policy to people who can’t even tell you the difference between the words debt and deficit or know the difference between marginal tax rates and effective tax rates. It would be like having a conversation about calculus with someone who didn’t finish 3rd grade math. And that’s why Dems always seem to win the debate, they know their audience is fool of easily fooled morons.

angryed on July 13, 2011 at 7:03 PM

joeindc44 on July 13, 2011 at 6:41 PM

I like those.

astonerii on July 13, 2011 at 7:14 PM

50% prefer only or mostly spending cuts; only 32% prefer equal amounts of cuts and taxes. So give some tax increases — all in Obama/democrat special interest areas — and call it a day. There, we compromised.

Rational Thought on July 13, 2011 at 7:14 PM

ajacksonian on July 13, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Would be better as a consumption tax than an income tax. Consumption is neutral for capital that would go into creating or expanding business, where as income taxes is a detriment. No tax breaks at all, no refunds for the poor, you buy, you pay.

astonerii on July 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Enhancement 5, No mortgage interest deduction, for which this is the first year that I am eligible.

Riiiight, and devalue people’s homes even further. Causing more damage an already destroyed housing market.

Stupid idea. People bought homes with that incentive in mind. It’s not a “luxury”, it’s an incentive to buy and own a home. It’s better if more Americans own homes.

jawkneemusic on July 13, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Knucklehead on July 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Yeah, I know. Just thought AP was showing off…heh.

d1carter on July 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM

astonerii on July 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM

I do not want to make the businessmen of America our tax collectors.

Paying taxes should hurt and you should know exactly how much your share is: not at the cash register but as a separate event that makes you think about why it is you live here and what it is you support. Any tax put on consumption will be raised slowly but surely, bit by bit, but a tax on income you feel hard. Plus what business is it of the federal government to tax what I purchase? Many States already do that and shall we now be taxed twice on purchases? Thanks, but no. Take it at income, remove investment and capital gains taxes completely as well as estate taxes. Tax once and then your money is yours free and clear of the federal government… finding a low tax State to live in is your business. If you really want the federal government to track what we purchase and when we purchase it, then say so.

ajacksonian on July 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM

The take away for me however, is when the statement “Tax Increases” is made, the assumption is that the increases would only come from the rich. A better feel for the mood of the country would be to phrase it as “cuts only, including entitlements” or ” Tax increases only (across the board, affecting everyone)

Koa on July 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM

ajacksonian on July 13, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Nah. Scrap all business taxes — if you are already taxing all of the personal income derived from business, why double it with a profit tax?

Count to 10 on July 13, 2011 at 7:38 PM

ajacksonian on July 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Lets not forget that sales taxes lead to black market tax cheating for everyone. It’s not a good idea to encourage lawbreaking. The unenforced speed limits are bad enough.

Count to 10 on July 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM

RINO NIRVANA…SEE, I told you so!!!!! Don’t cut so much!!!
The public WANTS tax increases…see..THE POLL. I know, a little of this, a little of that = Total mashup

How to make bad decisions 101. Total BS!!!

Yeah, I know AP…look at the numbers…I ain’t buying. Plus…more tax increases equals stagnant economy…but the POLL!!!

winston on July 13, 2011 at 7:46 PM

ajacksonian on July 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM

The way they collect income taxes now is businesses are the tax collectors. The only thing the tax collectors do is audit and harass the businesses or the people after the fact. It is already a pretty invisible tax after your first couple years of paying it.

The funny thing is, every single time I buy something at the store, I have to confront how much I am paying in taxes. I go and buy XXX.XX amount of stuff, I calculated in my head how much I spent, and then I get the pleasant receipt that has the subtotal, how much I spent, the taxes paid, and the total total. I see first hand how much government is costing me. Each and every purchase.

Basically, your argument fails at every single level. As you said, you are already taxed at the register.

astonerii on July 13, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Stupid idea. People bought homes with that incentive in mind. It’s not a “luxury”, it’s an incentive to buy and own a home. It’s better if more Americans own homes.

jawkneemusic on July 13, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Awe, those poor poor people. So, you are saying that the reason that poorer people are unable to afford houses is because the government is artificially increasing the value of homes? So, what you are saying is that every single group who has planned on the money and benefits that the government offered last year must be kept next year and every year after, because they counted on the laws never changing. Yup, progressive liberal award winner jawkneemusic everyone. Give him all the jeers and evil stares he deserves.

astonerii on July 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Lets not forget that sales taxes lead to black market tax cheating for everyone. It’s not a good idea to encourage lawbreaking. The unenforced speed limits are bad enough.

Count to 10 on July 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Income taxes lead to off the books employees and jobs. The unenforced speed limits are bad enough. No more unenforceable anything!

astonerii on July 13, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Stupid GOP had the cover from a recent study on debt reduction in developed countries during the past three or four decades and have ignored it. The study said that successful efforts involved 85% spending cuts and 15% tax cuts. I think voters would have said “hell, yeah.” And, to the extent that the economy stiil were to tank, the GOP could blame the tax increases.

When the GOP eventually cames on taxes, they should demand that the tax attributable to the changes go to debt reduction. It shouldn’t cover the Dem spending binge. Also, commission a study now to track the effect of the tax increases–especially if they monkey with airline depreciation. Let’s document the destruction of the small-aircraft manufacturing industry.

BuckeyeSam on July 13, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Total BS poll.

Coronagold on July 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Total BS – like many of the polls AP cherrypicks.

Fuquay Steve on July 13, 2011 at 8:24 PM

I wonder how many of those who want tax increase pay tax themselves?

bayview on July 13, 2011 at 8:59 PM

How about we start talking about what is good for the country as a whole and us citizens as opposed to parties? Stupid fantasy I know!

bluemarlin on July 13, 2011 at 9:49 PM

We have to give them what eventually as collateral?
Hawaii? Alaska? Texas? All our National park land? All or Natural Gas reserves? People? What?

How does this end?

PappyD61 on July 13, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Sell them ANWR to reduce the debt. We can’t use it because of the libs and when they produce lots of oil there, it will lower the cost of the oil we buy.

KW64 on July 13, 2011 at 10:15 PM

This is the democrat answer for everything. Poll manipulation. Good grief!

Lonetown on July 14, 2011 at 5:28 AM