McConnell announces fallback plan: Let’s give Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling himself

posted at 4:11 pm on July 12, 2011 by Allahpundit

NRO has a step-by-step rundown of how things would work legislatively, but it’s baroque. You’re better off with Guy Benson’s user-friendly explanation. This is, quite simply, an enabling statute:

Now that the table is set, here’s how the proposed plan would work: Republicans in Congress would agree to vote to authorize the president to propose three separate incremental debt ceiling increases, spaced over the remainder of his term. He would be required to couple each request with a corresponding set of spending cuts that exceed the dollar amount of his sought-after debt limit hike. These cuts would be of his choosing alone. The first pair of requests would come prior to the August 2 deadline. It would be for roughly $700 Billion. The next requests, for $900 Billion, would come in the fall, and the final tranche (also for $900 Billion) would be scheduled for summer of 2012 — in the thick of the campaign cycle.

In all likelihood, on each occasion, Republicans would overwhelmingly vote to disapprove of the president’s debt ceiling increase request. This allows GOP members (and almost certainly some vulnerable Democrats) to technically vote “no” on raising the debt ceiling. If, as is likely, simple majorities in both houses vote to disapprove of the president’s requests, he’d be forced to veto each disapproval, pinging the issue back to Capitol Hill. If Congress can’t override those vetos with 2/3 majorities (and Republicans won’t have the votes, even with some Democrats), the debt ceiling will increase. But not without the exacting a substantial political price from the president and his allies in Congress. They will own the debt ceiling hike. Period. Members of Congress who vote with the president will set themselves up to be targeted by brutal attack ads (“so-and-so has voted to increase the national debt limit three times in the last year alone,” etc).

It sounds complicated but it’s not. This achieves two things in one fell swoop: (1) it provides a nearly foolproof mechanism to avoid default armageddon in case the two sides can’t make a deal by August 2, which will reassure markets, and (2) by investing Obama with near-unilateral power to raise the ceiling (it’s not fully unilateral because Congress could, in theory, override him with a 2/3 vote), it makes him almost wholly responsible for the debt hike, which will be a major political liability with the election around the corner and a plurality of voters still more worried about raising the ceiling than letting a default happen. After a month of shrieking from lefty legal experts about how the Fourteenth Amendment supposedly lets O ignore the ceiling, here’s McConnell calling their bluff. You want to own America’s debt problem? Enjoy.

Dave Weigel says he can’t see why any Republican would vote for something like this when Obama already owns the debt problem. The answer: Because if talks break down and default looms, which seems increasingly likely given even moderate Dems’ demands for tax concessions and the House GOP’s unhappiness with a medium-sized debt deal, it almost certainly won’t be Obama who owns the fallout. For a variety of reasons, including but not limited to media Narrative-building and The One’s own determined efforts to position himself as a “centrist pragmatist” even if it means reducing the chances of making a deal, it’ll be the GOP who bears the brunt politically. (A Pew poll taken last month found 42 percent would blame Republicans if no deal got done versus 33 percent who’d blame the White House.) McConnell’s bill is anticipating that and trying to salvage a political victory from likely defeat by punting the whole mess to The One if no deal can be reached. It’ll be horribly, horribly disappointing if the big debt-ceiling showdown results in nothing more than a few trillion in cuts of Obama’s own choosing, but the alternative if talks break down is no cuts at all, a possible economic tailspin, and endless media shrieking about how this never would have happened if it not for those darned wingnuts and their fetish for rich people.

Long story short, the debt-ceiling showdown was a big gamble and this is McConnell’s way of hedging the party’s bets at the eleventh hour. Unsatisfying, but if it happens and O faces a nasty backlash for raising the ceiling, it’s a compelling argument next year for why we need a Republican president and more Republican congressmen. A serious deal on long-term sustainability simply isn’t possible with the left in control of one or more branches of government. If the GOP wants to do this, they’ll have to do it themselves. And then reap the consequences.

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We disagree on who is best to lead the charge but we agree for the need of that charge.

and that is something the GOp establishment doesn’t understand.

unseen on July 12, 2011 at 4:37 PM

No, we don’t disagree. You might have missed – if SP runs, I’ll support her fully. I just don’t like the fights on our side, which give the Dkos rats fodder.

Schadenfreude on July 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

…it might just be a political stroke of genius;

RocketmanBob on July 12, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Did you forget this is McConnell you are talking about? Genious and McConnell…does not compute.

mwdiver on July 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

If this comes to pass, it will be the end of the Republican Party.

CatoRenasci on July 12, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Do they think Zero’s stupid? He isn’t as intelligent as the msm makes him out to be but, he is a well trained Chicago thug politician. He smells a trap before it’s sprung. He’s already played his ace in the hole by scaring old people that they won’t get their Aug checks if the evil republicans don’t budge and let him raise taxes on the evil rich and corps. Our president is blackmailing congress into passing a law putting us even deeper in debt. He is a liar and a thug.

Kissmygrits on July 12, 2011 at 4:40 PM

KingGold on July 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

The GOP either unites behind the will of the American people or they will be fired. Please reference November 2010. Boehner certainly did not have to play gold with Obama. He knew what the optics looked like.

kingsjester on July 12, 2011 at 4:41 PM

This is insanity. Idiocy.

Here’s what happens:

Obama raises the debt by $2.5 trillion before his re-election.

He uses smoke-and-mirrors to pretend he’s cutting $2.5 trillion in spending, and probably mixes in a lot of tax increases that he calls “cuts to tax expenditures.”

The Republicans complain that the cuts are insufficient, and the “cuts to tax expenditures” are tax increases not spending cuts. But the Dems say “No, they’re not; they’re legitimate cuts.” The partisans scream “Are too!” and “Are not!” on talking heads programs for a week, and the MSM sides with the Dems.

By party-line vote, the House disapproves. But Senate Dems like Nelson, Webb and Manchin (and Rinos like Snow, Collins and Brown) can hide behind the smoke-and-mirrors and the Senate will approve. Thus, there will be no need for a veto.

The Dems won’t “own” the debt increase because they’ll just claim that they’ve held up their end of the bargain and complied with the spending cuts the GOP demanded, and they’re doing the grown-up thing, avoiding default while protecting grandma from Paul Ryan.

America will go back to sleep.

Eventually the debt time bomb will explode, but that will be after Obama’s re-election, and there will be no choice then but to start confiscating wealth (not just income). The socialist utopia will be upon us.

Insanity. Idiocy.

SwampYankee on July 12, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Did you forget this is McConnell you are talking about? Genious Genius and McConnell…does not compute.

mwdiver on July 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

Oops.

mwdiver on July 12, 2011 at 4:42 PM

How does everyone feel about this deal when you realize that the person who will be increasing the debt ceiling won’t be Obowma…

… it will be George Soros, and his pet projects that will be funded including the re-election of his favorite puppet.

How much better does it sound now…?

Seven Percent Solution on July 12, 2011 at 4:42 PM

you don’t punt when its the 4th qrt you are down by 21 points with 2 minuts left.

unseen on July 12, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Really? Hmmm, I see it as giving us the issue to take into 2012 in a stronger position. Basically, to get through the “crisis” (which I don’t buy) , not get blamed for any repercussions (which the media would do), and hang the debt issue around O’s (and all D’s) necks, like a flaming necklace.

aquaviva on July 12, 2011 at 4:42 PM

So, is he now officially “King Obama”? McConnell, and the GOP leadership in general, clearly no longer want to be in charge. If they pass any nonsense like this, I will never again vote GOP. Third Party, here I come.

Hucklebuck on July 12, 2011 at 4:42 PM

If Obama allows a 2012 election is right on.
This strikes me as pure insanity.

ORconservative on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Fox just had a news alert (yet another) saying that members of Congress who consider themselves as Tea Party representatives have requested a meeting with The Won.

Cindy Munford on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

not true. we would have to first cut the 41.5 trillion deficit then after than you would be correct.

I think you mean 14.5 trillion, not 41.5 trillion. And that 14.5 trillion is the National Debt, not the current year’s deficit.

My point is that raising the debt limit simply authorizes more deficit spending. If the debt limit is not raised, no current deficit spending may occur, and that means this year’s Federal budget must be balanced now, and all at once.

If the US “defaults” on its debt, it will not default on all of its debt all at once–just a little bit. One likely temporary solution is extending the maturity of T-notes (2- to 10-year) by several years–which is something like extending a mortgage from 20 to 30 years, to get lower current payments.

Emperor Norton on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

The One’s own determined efforts to position himself as a “centrist pragmatist” even if it means reducing the chances of making a deal

Yeah, you know how he did that? By acting like and putting cuts on the table that are unpopular with his base. It’s how people negotiate.

Republicans seem to be willing to draw a hard line in the sand on tax increases even though polls show the public think those should be part of reducing the deficit. They basically saying, do it exactly how we say or no deal. Wonderful people.

Tom_Shipley on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

The ability of Republicans to cut their own throats never ceases to amaze…

How deep does stupidity go.

tarpon on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

I think the House Republicans should just vote on a $2 trillion spending cut(with no tax increases), send it to the Senate, and let Reid either block it, or have Obama eventually be forced to veto it. Or Reid and Obama swallow their pride and accept the deal.

Doughboy on July 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM

This.

darclon on July 12, 2011 at 4:44 PM

He knew what the optics looked like.

kingsjester on July 12, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Negotiating in good faith? Yeah, sure. Packing away this “party of no” bullcrap and actually trying to secure a balanced budget amendment.

We work with what we have. If you’re not sufficiently satisfied with that, tough toenails. RuPaul’s probably hiring now.

KingGold on July 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Make sure whatever numbers BHO sends pass CBO muster. Otherwise the numbers will all be made out of unicorns and rainbows.

michaelo on July 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Does Rand Paul have a little brother?

bw222 on July 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM

McConnell has been running circles around Reid for years.

mad saint jack on July 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM

There’s a better way: Pass and send to the Senate a House Resolution authorizing the full debt increase subject to the express spending cuts that Boehner’s been trying to achieve. Let the Senate Dems refuse, or upon passage, let O veto it.

That preserves Congress’s Constitutional debt-authorization power. The LAST thing the Congress should do is delegate it to this idiot.

Barnestormer on July 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM

The COngress and the President have a job to do, let them do it. If the Republicans don’t want to raise taxes, call his bluff. Just because we have a bunch of political cowards in Washington doesn’t mean we can’t hold them accountable.

This reminds me of the war powers act, where Congress let a president assume their authority and we lost 58,000 men in an undeclared war. Now we’re going to put generational debt on our children and grandchildren and the finger pointing will go back and forth because no one wants to be responsible.

THe time is rapidly approaching for a Constitutional Convention.

bflat879 on July 12, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Fox just had a news alert (yet another) saying that members of Congress who consider themselves as Tea Party representatives have requested a meeting with The Won.

Cindy Munford on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Interesting. Of course he’ll decline. Who’s refusing to negotiate now? I see chess being played, and King Obama is getting closer to the corner.

Rational Thought on July 12, 2011 at 4:47 PM

KingGold on July 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM

You negotiate in the Halls of Ppower. Not out sucking up to a president who’s playing a game that he’s played 70 times before, while our best and brightest are involed in 3 theaters of war and facilating drone missions over Yemen.

That’s Chicago-style backroom politics and it stinks. Period.

kingsjester on July 12, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Fox just had a news alert (yet another) saying that members of Congress who consider themselves as Tea Party representatives have requested a meeting with The Won.

Cindy Munford on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

And he’ll turn them down. Period. The. End.

Knucklehead on July 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

He@@ no. Your president has spent more of our money under his poor excuse for an administration than any preceding president has. The buck stops with the president, pelosi, Reid, and the rest of his marxists-in-training.

That is simply not true … but if it is repeated enough I guess it becomes fact. You do remember the first bailout was under Bush … remember when the old man who ran as the GOP candidate last time around SUSPENDED his campaign to tackle this issue. Of course the other wrong statement that he has spent more than all other presidents combined is a myth too, but if it is said enough times people believe it.

The buck might stop with the President but if the GOP puts forward a whacko far right wing nut like Bachman or Palin, there won’t be much of a chance of throwing Obama out.

Monkei on July 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Tom_Shipley on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Right, because they don’t want to fall for the Wimpy system of cuts and taxes the Democrats always pull. Cuts now, more taxpayers now and high taxes if or when there is still a need.

Cindy Munford on July 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

The LAST thing the Congress should do is delegate it to this idiot.

Barnestormer on July 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM

agree

cmsinaz on July 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Basically it’s a punt, and sometimes it’s smart to punt.

aquaviva on July 12, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Most football games are won and lost on special teams.

JohnGalt23 on July 12, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Mitch needs to take his zimmer and just go home!

Sandybourne on July 12, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Knucklehead on July 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

I actually think The Won may be in a lose/lose on this one, which is fine with me. That is a big chunk of people to ignore.

Cindy Munford on July 12, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Monkei on July 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

TARP totally different than all the spending once dear leader took office

keep drinking the kool-aid

cmsinaz on July 12, 2011 at 4:49 PM

I wonder what Sarah Palin will have to say about this awful proposal from Senator McConnell.

Heh.

Emperor Norton on July 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM

He would be required to couple each request with a corresponding set of spending cuts that exceed the dollar amount of his sought-after debt limit hike.

Are these spending cuts over 1 year or 10 years?

Still, it’s an abdication of Congressional power over the budget. This deal is not really McConnell’s to make, where his party has filibuster power in the Senate but not a majority. Has Boehner signed on to this???

Steve Z on July 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Tom_Shipley on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

If you liberals are so excited about tax hikes, the IRS accepts donations. Why don’t you spend your OWN damn money and stop spending others’.

search4truth on July 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Republicans seem to be willing to draw a hard line in the sand on tax increases even though polls show the public think those should be part of reducing the deficit. They basically saying, do it exactly how we say or no deal. Wonderful people.

Tom_Shipley on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

I can play your chicken-game. The public opposed Obamacare. Were you and Obama listening/following?

I thought you had more intellectual heft and morals.

Schadenfreude on July 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM

In the end there will be a clean bill with an up and down vote and the debt limit will be raised and we can get off this lame meaningless issue.

Wake me up when either party gets serious about spending. Right now it’s all bullshit. Both parties know that they will have to give on both of their sacred cows.

Monkei on July 12, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Monkei on July 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Courtesy cnsnews.com:

In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan.

kingsjester on July 12, 2011 at 4:51 PM

I actually think The Won may be in a lose/lose on this one, which is fine with me. That is a big chunk of people to ignore.

Cindy Munford on July 12, 2011 at 4:49 PM

And it gives Bachmann even more ammunition.

Knucklehead on July 12, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Does Rand Paul have a little brother?

bw222 on July 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM

I believe his name is Robert.

JohnGalt23 on July 12, 2011 at 4:51 PM

I think the House Republicans should just vote on a $2 trillion spending cut(with no tax increases), send it to the Senate, and let Reid either block it, or have Obama eventually be forced to veto it. Or Reid and Obama swallow their pride and accept the deal.

Doughboy on July 12, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Are you saying that the House should pass a bill with $2 trillion in spending cuts and a debt ceiling increase? This probably can’t happen. There are Republicans who will never vote to increase the debt ceiling under any circumstance out of principle. The question is how many. Boehner might need Dem votes to move any debt ceiling increase out of the House.

Mark1971 on July 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Yeah, you know how he did that? By acting like and putting cuts on the table that are unpopular with his base. It’s how people negotiate.

Tom_Shipley on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Specify the cuts. In detail. What exactly was being cut?

Oh, wait. You can’t. All you have is news leaks with no specifics.

Sorry, we’ve seen this before. BIG cuts that upon inspection become miniscule.

PackerBronco on July 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

If you liberals are so excited about tax hikes, the IRS accepts donations. Why don’t you spend your OWN damn money and stop spending others’.

search4truth on July 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Special form from IRS – Just do it!!! Obama too – he said yesterday that he pays too few. Get ‘er done, hypocrits.

Schadenfreude on July 12, 2011 at 4:53 PM

The only people who will benefit from such a STUPID plan are Obama, Dems, and the BIG GOVERNMENT RINOs (led by McConnell).

Obama: If you sincerely believe Obama will not be able to justify passing any debt limit increase by blaming Bush and Congress, while appearing to be above the fray, then you are truly naive!

Dems: A majority of Dems, especially the vulnerable ones, will all vote against the debt limit increase but will NOT supply enough votes to override an Obama veto. The failed Obamacare repeal vote in the Senate should have erased any lingering thoughts that there are moderate Dems or fiscally-conservative Dems remaining in Congress.

Big Govt. RINOs: Of course, they will vote against the debt limit increase and an override of Obama’s veto, while snickering and quietly enjoying the failed override. They love the continued expansion in Govt. and the enrichment of themselves at the expense of the country.

McConnell must be forced to RESIGN NOW! It is no surprise they continue to recruit RINOs for the Senate – that is the only way this circus continues.

TheRightMan on July 12, 2011 at 4:54 PM

You know what else baffles me? If the Treasury decides to default (and it will be on the Treasury’s shoulders to do so) Obama gets the blame, because somebody’s not getting their sittin’ at home check. So why the hell are Boehner and McConnell trying to escape this?

Because Obama won’t get the blame, the GOP will. McConnell has seen the polls–as skeptical of Obama as induhpendent voters are, they hate the GOP more, and so any time a question comes down to “who do you blame more”, Obama wins and the GOP loses. Obama could kill and eat an entire basket of kittens on live television, and 46% of induhpendents would blame the GOP, 31% would blame Obama and 23% would blame both sides equally.

Fabozz on July 12, 2011 at 4:55 PM

In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan.

Budget for all previous presidents. 96.1 trillion.

Budget and spending for Obama doesn’t come close …

Monkei on July 12, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Trolls rushing to this thread is a tell. They’re worried for their masters.

Christien on July 12, 2011 at 4:56 PM

No way that the House will ever vote for this McConnel plan. Just no way. Actually, McConnel has put Boehner and the House in the cross-hairs for any backlash.

This legislation stinks to high heaven!

JonPrichard on July 12, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Yeah, you know how he did that? By acting like and putting cuts on the table that are unpopular with his base. It’s how people negotiate.

Tom_Shipley on July 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Ta-da, and here are those deep cuts …

In the nearly two-hour-long White House meeting Monday afternoon during which leaders reviewed savings found last month by a group led by Vice President Joseph Biden,
McConnell asked only one question, according to a Republican source familiar with the talks.

“How much does the Biden plan actually cut from next year’s discretionary spending budget?” the Kentucky Republican asked the room.

Obama’s Office of Management and Budget Director Jacob Lew told him, “$2 billion.”

Where are the cuts TS?

PackerBronco on July 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Where are the cuts TS?

PackerBronco on July 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Math is not his friend.

Schadenfreude on July 12, 2011 at 5:00 PM

McConnell is not up for reelection until 2014 but I can see a more conservative GOP Senate removing him as leader after the 2012 election,

bw222 on July 12, 2011 at 5:01 PM

SS checks scare first thing up for tingles….

shocka…

cmsinaz on July 12, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Trolls rushing to this thread is a tell. They’re worried for their masters.

Christien on July 12, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Yep. And the paymaster who signs their checks. Unemployment looms.

a capella on July 12, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Sorry if someone already mentioned this. Dear Leader says he might not be able to send out social security checks or checks to veterans in August if a deal isn’t reached.

I’m wondering if Obama will still get his direct deposit? Will the WH chef be able to buy groceries? this is horrible.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20078789-503544.html#comments

JellyToast on July 12, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Grover Norquist says he supports McConnell

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/271731/norquist-time-force-obamas-hand-andrew-stiles

Mark1971 on July 12, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Because Obama won’t get the blame, the GOP will. McConnell has seen the polls–as skeptical of Obama as induhpendent voters are, they hate the GOP more, and so any time a question comes down to “who do you blame more”, Obama wins and the GOP loses. Obama could kill and eat an entire basket of kittens on live television, and 46% of induhpendents would blame the GOP, 31% would blame Obama and 23% would blame both sides equally.

Fabozz on July 12, 2011 at 4:55 PM

And yet, the GOP managed to win massively in the midterms – sweeping the States and capturing the House? Maybe your definition of the public and independent voters vary from mine? Were the polls successful in predicting the massive effect the Tea Party had on the midterm elections?

The GOP has two choices: either they believe the manufactured polls from DC insiders and big government shills and enable the Obama/Dems agenda or trust the voters who hand-delivered the House to them and simply do what they were elected to do, which is to STOP THE SPENDING!!!

TheRightMan on July 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Well it seems that Mitch McConnell wants to test out Rush’s prediction:

We are not at risk of default. We are not in danger of default. Anybody, either party who says we are is engaging in demagoguery and the same classic Washington tactic of creating for you a crisis, an apocalyptic crisis that has to be solved now or else. I’m telling you, that isn’t true. Just as the world was going to end if we didn’t get TARP, that wasn’t true. None of the forecast crises and their accompanying apocalypse have been true. Nothing that they have tried to scare us with since 2008 has been true. So if this cave happens, hello third party, it’s going to happen, and then you’re gonna see a wave of new presidential candidates get in the race, and Rick Perry will decide at that moment, it’s time to get in, and Paul Ryan, who knows.

If you cave on your powers granted to you by the people, then you are doing far, far worse than being a demagogue: you are caving in to tyranny. Mitch McConnell isn’t serving his party, isn’t serving the people and is not upholding his duties that he volunteered for. That won’t get you many plaudits, save by those who put politics above the republic, but it may just get you a third party and the collapse of the Republican Party in record time.

ajacksonian on July 12, 2011 at 5:07 PM

This is a bad idea, democrats (in the Congress and the Senate)won’t vote to disapprove anything Obama send to them.

Falz on July 12, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Wow, monkei and shipley on the same thread? Even though it’s an AP thread and not Ed’s, it’s just like old times at Captain’s Quarters!

Del Dolemonte on July 12, 2011 at 5:09 PM

I don’t love McConnell’s plan, but it’s probably the best option available given that a) Obama has completely politicized the issue with the MSM acting as his PR department and b) the GOP leadership failed to fight back until the last minute. I’m relieved that even the ineffectual Senate GOP leader recognizes the political peril they’re facing. That’s some progress.

Terrie on July 12, 2011 at 5:10 PM

stop effing around and confront this lying jag off.

we can beat this guy by sticking to our guns and refusing any deal that raises the debt limit or raises taxes.

O is a wimp…i’m ready to go to the mattresses.

DrW on July 12, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Confirmed: Allah is a New York RINO

Norwegian on July 12, 2011 at 5:11 PM

I have a lot of respect or Mitch McConnell so I’m going to trust him on this manuver.

Buy Danish on July 12, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Grover Norquist says he supports McConnell

Mark1971 on July 12, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Surprise, surprise. There aren’t any tax increases, just spending without restraint, so it’s right up Norquist’s alley.

And by the way – this is being championed by Mitch McConnell, Lamar Alexander, and the appropriators from Georgia and Mississippi. Let’s hear some conservative Southern pride, folks!

KingGold on July 12, 2011 at 5:14 PM

I was already beginning to like the proposal before reading this. There was never any way GOP was going to come out best in this battle of the debt ceiling with the path they were on. This puts 0 in the position of putting his own proposals in print, which he has refused to do plus he has to keep coming back for additional increases with the election looming next year. Each time more people will catch on that his ideas are not helping anything for the majority of the US.

Oleta on July 12, 2011 at 5:15 PM

This is a bad idea, democrats (in the Congress and the Senate)won’t vote to disapprove anything Obama send to them.

Falz on July 12, 2011 at 5:09 PM

I am not sure what I think of this, but I think the point is that even if this happens, then the Democrats and especially Obama will have to take the blame and the responsibility.

In other words, Obama has been holding the elderly hostage by threatening not to pay social security of the debt ceiling is not raised. The Republicans can not force Obama to accept their plan, but they don’t have to accept his either. It will be on him. They can do this and the House can also pass a plan of their own and send it to the Senate. Reid might block it, but if that could pass then they could force Obama to veto it as well. Either way, he has to be the guy who takes the fall.

It is like high stakes poker.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Now THIS is the Republican party that we all know and love. Defeat: Jaws: Victory

Mojave Mark on July 12, 2011 at 5:16 PM

This ‘deal’ of McConnell’s is a merely a one proposal in a long negotiation. Before getting bent out of shape, let’s see where the conversation goes. Obama has shown no willingness to take responsibility of any kind for the economy. Let’s see if he is willing to stick his neck out on this proposal. My guess is that he won’t.

rlyle on July 12, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Surprise, surprise. There aren’t any tax increases, just spending without restraint, so it’s right up Norquist’s alley.

And by the way – this is being championed by Mitch McConnell, Lamar Alexander, and the appropriators from Georgia and Mississippi. Let’s hear some conservative Southern pride, folks!

KingGold on July 12, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Surprise Surprise, KingGold is whining about the GOP not doing the impossible.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Trolls rushing to this thread is a tell. They’re worried for their masters.

Christien on July 12, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Yep, I’ve noticed that too. The establishment shills are out in full force trying to sell us this baloney proposal from McConnell.

TheRightMan on July 12, 2011 at 5:18 PM

So Obama can zero out our entire defense budget and there isn’t a thing we can do.

Insane.

GardenGnome on July 12, 2011 at 5:19 PM

(A Pew poll taken last month found 42 percent would blame Republicans if no deal got done versus 33 percent who’d blame the White House.)

Gee, that Pew poll must have accounted for the ease with which Obama brushed aside Chip Reid’s recitation of the public’s view of raising the debt ceiling. 69% opposed/24% in favor, wasn’t it?

Barnestormer on July 12, 2011 at 5:20 PM

This ‘deal’ of McConnell’s is a merely a one proposal in a long negotiation. Before getting bent out of shape, let’s see where the conversation goes. Obama has shown no willingness to take responsibility of any kind for the economy. Let’s see if he is willing to stick his neck out on this proposal. My guess is that he won’t.

rlyle on July 12, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Yes, like I said, it is high stakes poker.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Surprise Surprise, KingGold is whining about the GOP not doing the impossible.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Which would be what? Making Obama choke on a deal he’d be forced to accept or make the choice between cutting off welfare or breaking our bank account?

That’s not impossible. But if you’re big on impossible things, I hear Palin might be getting in the presidential race soon.

KingGold on July 12, 2011 at 5:22 PM

The word “underwhelming” springs to mind. So does “punt”. These are budget talks – not hot potato or dodge ball.

dieudonne on July 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Which would be what? Making Obama choke on a deal he’d be forced to accept or make the choice between cutting off welfare or breaking our bank account?

That’s not impossible. But if you’re big on impossible things, I hear Palin might be getting in the presidential race soon.

KingGold on July 12, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Your name should be changed to KingRedHerring.

fossten on July 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM

i’m sorry…why would barry agree to this? he wants money. Rs are going to have to give him a little money for him to save face.

r keller on July 12, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Trolls rushing to this thread is a tell. They’re worried for their masters.

Christien on July 12, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Yep, I’ve noticed that too. The establishment shills are out in full force trying to sell us this baloney proposal from McConnell.

TheRightMan on July 12, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Oh come on. I don’t think that this is the case. I have been listening and watching this song and dance for weeks and weeks and McConnell has not budged on taxes. He has made a point of saying it is impossible to deal with Obama. I think he is calling Obama’s bluff. I also think that this is just one more tactic. This way the Democrats can not blame anyone but themselves if a deal is not reached. I am not sure what I think of this plan, but I don’t think that McConnell is trying to sell anyone out. It might be that he is misreading Obama and in that case the deal would not work out the way he thinks it will.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:25 PM

I am just wondering how Mark Levin will come down on this…heh heh heh

Blaise on July 12, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Surprise Surprise, KingGold is whining about the GOP not doing the impossible.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Which would be what? Making Obama choke on a deal he’d be forced to accept or make the choice between cutting off welfare or breaking our bank account?

That’s not impossible. But if you’re big on impossible things, I hear Palin might be getting in the presidential race soon.

KingGold on July 12, 2011 at 5:22 PM

That is just the point..Obama would not be forced to choke on any deal. The Republicans do not have the Senate, they do not have the White House. Even if the Republicans could get something out of the House, it is not going to pass the Senate without Democrat support and there is no way they can over ride a veto. So they can not force Obama to do anything anyway. But Obama does know that the public is not crazy about the whole idea raising the debt limit and this is a way to say if you want it, you can have this much and no more and you and your entire burden will have to carry the load for it.

Like I said, I am not sure how it will work out or even if I think it is a great idea, but I don’t think it is meant as giving up or giving in. There is more to it than that.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Seriously, if the majority of voters can’t see that Dems and their family members (the media) have manufactured crisis after crisis just to forcibly ram their abominable legislation and control policies through then this fricking country deserves to go down the shi**er.

Tim Zank on July 12, 2011 at 5:30 PM

but I don’t think that McConnell is trying to sell anyone out.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Not on purpose, absolutely. But if his goal was to enable Obama to face a divided party, he got his wish in spades.

The battle lines are being drawn as we speak.

For all of Politico’s manufactured grumblings about disagreements between Boehner and Cantor, this is something we did not need right now.

KingGold on July 12, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Yes, like I said, it is high stakes poker.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Notice it’s always the “establishment shills” that keep telling us “the rubes” to trust the “superior intelligence” of our RINO overlords. Despite the fact that their “smartness” led to the loss of the White House and Congress, the passing of Obamacare (recall they voted it out of committee), a crappy budget deal, etc…

Not so surprisingly, when it comes to legislation that will benefit their lobbyist friends, they take no quarters! Big Business and Big Labor have one thing in common: the continued expansion of the federal government. We have the GOP (led by Boehner and McConnell) fighting for Big Business and Obama/Dems for Big Labor, while the country goes down the tubes.

TheRightMan on July 12, 2011 at 5:34 PM

So Obama can zero out our entire defense budget and there isn’t a thing we can do.

Insane.

GardenGnome on July 12, 2011 at 5:19 PM

I saw on the news the other day that a new defense budget passed and it is higher than last year’s. Obama has shown a surprising willingness to use the military. I doubt if he would zero it out.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:35 PM

This is why we must primary McConnell.

clement on July 12, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Wow, monkei and shipley on the same thread? Even though it’s an AP thread and not Ed’s, it’s just like old times at Captain’s Quarters!

Del Dolemonte on July 12, 2011

I sure miss THOSE days…when all we had to do was put up with a little Bush bashing and how Scooter Libby was ‘guilty, guilty, guilty’. Back then the very survival of the Republic wasn’t at stake. It sure is now.

JonPrichard on July 12, 2011 at 5:38 PM

I HOPE THE GOP CAVES!!

Can you imagine if Obama gets the opportunity to manage this type of crisis with the Executive Order power he has?

Please GOP kick this can down the road for two more years. We CANNOT afford to have the DOTUS get hold of “assets” to meet our debts.

YOU KNOW OBAMA wants this crisis!!!

PappyD61 on July 12, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Monkei on July 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Will everyone please quit feeding this delusional idiot of a troll.

CPT. Charles on July 12, 2011 at 5:40 PM

How difficult is it for Boehner to lay your demands on the table and pack up and GO HOME!!! Why is he insistent on increasing the debt limit?

The same guys that told us that they could only get meagre cuts in the failed budget deal because they are only one half of one arm of the Government now feel the onus is on them to increase the debt limit? What about the Dems who control both the White House AND the Senate? Shouldn’t they be the ones making proposals and begging for a deal?

TheRightMan on July 12, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Yes, like I said, it is high stakes poker.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Notice it’s always the “establishment shills” that keep telling us “the rubes” to trust the “superior intelligence” of our RINO overlords. Despite the fact that their “smartness” led to the loss of the White House and Congress, the passing of Obamacare (recall they voted it out of committee), a crappy budget deal, etc…

Not so surprisingly, when it comes to legislation that will benefit their lobbyist friends, they take no quarters! Big Business and Big Labor have one thing in common: the continued expansion of the federal government. We have the GOP (led by Boehner and McConnell) fighting for Big Business and Obama/Dems for Big Labor, while the country goes down the tubes.

TheRightMan on July 12, 2011 at 5:34 PM

There were so many things wrong with that, I don’t even know where to begin. For one thing, I made a point of saying I was not sure what to think of this plan..I just don’t think it is a sell out. It might be mistake, McConnell might be wrong about how Obama will react, but I think it is meant to be one more tactic. And I am not a shill and what is this stuff about lobbyists? You sound like some lefty yakking about Wall Street and blah blah blah.

I wish there was some way the Republicans could just force through budget cuts and be done with it. I actually prefer an across the board cut of at least 5%, maybe 10%. I do not support raising taxes..but there is no way Obama is going to go for that and when it blows up he will blame Republicans and force a debt increase later after he refuses to send out social security checks…but then that is probably another bluff as well. Right now we are seeing and hearing a lot of that on both sides. So I am just saying there might be more to this than we see on the surface.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:41 PM

It sounds complicated but it’s not.

I’ve got something even simpler. YOU BASTARDS DO THE JOB YOU WERE HIRED FOR! You can’t do the job, GET OUT!

That goes for the White House, The House and The Senate.

GarandFan on July 12, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Has anyone heard from the “Maverick” and his sidekick Grahmanesty?..:)

Dire Straits on July 12, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Good political move? Maybe.

Good move for the country fiscally? No way.

Scrappy on July 12, 2011 at 5:45 PM

I saw on the news the other day that a new defense budget passed and it is higher than last year’s. Obama has shown a surprising willingness to use the military. I doubt if he would zero it out.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:35 PM

No, but do you think he would flinch at cutting anything that is actually pro-business? Those that can’t see the forest through the trees on our side would give him cover by ranting about how it was the GOP that gave him the power to do so. Which would just ensure that the blame would fall at the feet of the GOP anyway. This plan is too smart by half. McConnell really should’ve stopped talking after his speech on the floor of the Senate.

rmel80 on July 12, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Don’t have time to read through all the comments right now, as I’m on break. I read AP take and simply have this to say. Some 60% of the voters think government spending must be stopped, that this is a run-away spending problem rather than an income problem. The people (including many democrats) voted in huge numbers for Republicans in 2010 to put a stop to the spending, including the Obamacare entitlement law. It doesn’t matter to us if Obama is put behind the 8-ball on this, or in short that politics as usual is played here once again. We put these Republicans in place to stop this not to out position the Democrats while letting it all go forward. Let it happen and show the people just how Obama and his media have lied to everybody about what would happen. Do this or face huge backlash.

Keemo on July 12, 2011 at 5:46 PM

How difficult is it for Boehner to lay your demands on the table and pack up and GO HOME!!! Why is he insistent on increasing the debt limit?

The same guys that told us that they could only get meagre cuts in the failed budget deal because they are only one half of one arm of the Government now feel the onus is on them to increase the debt limit? What about the Dems who control both the White House AND the Senate? Shouldn’t they be the ones making proposals and begging for a deal?

TheRightMan on July 12, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Why should they make a deal when they can just blame the Republicans? Boehner did come up with demands, he did tell them what they wanted…and equal amount in cuts vs a debt increase and no taxes..and Obama said no deal.

So yeah, they can come up with their own plan and pass it and send it to the Senate and that will probably be the end of it…but even if they could get it past the Senate, it will have to go the Obama..if he vetoes it and he said he would veto it then they have to over ride the veto. That might not be a bad idea and I think it might happen, that is another way to put it in Obama’s lap. But the Republicans do not have the votes to force any bill through.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Once again Republicans act like Nov 2, 2010 never happened.

We had 2 years of absolute Dem rule and we got $1.5T deficits. Now we have divided govt and we have $1.5T deficits.

Tell me again why voting for Republicans is better than voting for Democrats….

angryed on July 12, 2011 at 5:49 PM

As long as the amounts the debt limit can be raised are only enough to get the U.S. through to the end of 2012 and as long as there is a sunset provision in the bill ending this procedure as of January 15, 2013, I’m actually o.k. with this.

We are not going to get anything reasonable out of Obama and the Senate dems. They are screaming about the debt ceiling and default. Let them eat it and use it in the next election. After that we can hopefully work with a GOP President, Senate and House to do some real structural reform and spending cuts and work toward dealing with the issue.

Monkeytoe on July 12, 2011 at 5:49 PM

McConnell wants to give Obama power to raise the debt ceiling so he can keep the wars running without any protest all the while giving anti-Obama speeches when the cameras are pointed at him.

Spathi on July 12, 2011 at 5:51 PM

No, but do you think he would flinch at cutting anything that is actually pro-business? Those that can’t see the forest through the trees on our side would give him cover by ranting about how it was the GOP that gave him the power to do so. Which would just ensure that the blame would fall at the feet of the GOP anyway. This plan is too smart by half. McConnell really should’ve stopped talking after his speech on the floor of the Senate.

rmel80 on July 12, 2011 at 5:45 PM

He is not going to be pro business anyway, and I am not so sure that the Republicans are going to get the blame for a Democrat being a Democrat. I mean if the people really want to see the spending stop, why do the Democrats have as many seats as they do? Most people say they want to see the spending go down, but they fight supporting the kinds of policies that make it happen. They voted for these Democrats, they put Obama in office in the first place. It is like the people who do not want to see entitlements touched, but want to see spending cuts. Well, that is just not realistic. Time they reallized that.

Terrye on July 12, 2011 at 5:51 PM

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