Bachmann: Who needs executive experience if it means more big government?
posted at 8:22 pm on July 11, 2011 by Allahpundit
Politico notes, correctly, that this is a great line directed at Romney, an “eh” line directed at Pawlenty, and a dumb line directed at Perry or Palin. There’s no obvious way out of this box: After four years of blaming the failures of Hopenchange in part on The One having never run so much as a lemonade stand, how do Republicans turn around now and take a chance on Bachmann?
Bachmann said executive experience doesn’t matter if it comes with “more of the same big government as usual.”
“This election will be about quite simply, who can lead that restructuring effort,” Bachmann said, referring to turning around the economy and working to repeal the federal health care reform law.
“Executive experience in government is one thing, but not when it comes to a promise of more of the same big government as usual,” she continued.
“Right on!” says Rick Perry, hunkered down in his office and feverishly dialing political operatives in New Hampshire. Bachmann’s other emerging problem is that the more she woos the Huckabee faction in Iowa with ostentatious displays of social conservatism, as she did last week when she signed a marriage pledge so heavy-handed that even Gingrich is shying away from it, the more she risks being pigeonholed as a “Christian candidate” a la Huck three years ago. Case in point: “Nightline” is planning to run a report tonight in which a former patient at the counseling center owned by Bachmann and her husband will claim that he was advised to pray the gay away. Won’t hurt her a bit with social cons, but if it does come down to her and, say, Romney for the nomination, his pitch to undecideds will be that the GOP can’t afford sideshows that take them off-message when they’re trying to beat Obama on the economy. Which of course is actually 90 percent of the reason to consider nominating Pawlenty. Once the general election campaign begins, blandness is very much a virtue.
Exit question: Via Ace, here’s a choice passage from Palin’s latest Facebook note. Who’s this aimed at?
As we approach 2012, there are important lessons we can learn from all of this. First, we should never entrust the White House to a far-left ideologue who has no appreciation or even understanding of the free market and limited government principles that made this country economically strong. Second, the office of the presidency is too important for on-the-job training. It requires a strong chief executive who has been entrusted with real authority in the past and has achieved a proven track record of positive measurable accomplishments. Leaders are expected to give good speeches, but leadership is so much more than oratory. Real leadership requires deeds even more than words. It means taking on the problems no one else wants to tackle. It means providing vision and guidance, inspiring people to action, bringing everyone to the table, and with a servant’s heart dedicating oneself to striking agreements that keep faith with our Constitution and with the ordinary citizens who entrusted you with power. It means bucking the status quo, fighting the corrupt powers that be, serving the common good, and leaving the country better than you found it. Most of us don’t see a lot of that real leadership in D.C., and it’s profoundly disappointing.
Pawlenty’s been pushing precisely the same message on the trail in Iowa lately. Hey Ed Rollins — any idea who Palin’s talking about here?









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I have said from the beginning that is the one scenario where all bets are off and I may not support the nominee.
Kataklysmic on July 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM
I really do not see any other reason that they would take her seriously. IMO if Palin decideds against running that would be the moment the party turns on bachmann. but maybe there is some other reason i’m not seeing. I don’t know. you got any ideas?
unseen on July 12, 2011 at 12:54 AM
I think the country and the GOP itself is so polarized right now, you’re going to hear lots of third-party rumblings in the wake of 2012 in any case. I think conservatives and TP-types have the most chance of success with such a thing, though. If Romney’s the nominee and gets beaten in 2012, it might bring about the rise of some sort of national Conservative Party.
ddrintn on July 12, 2011 at 12:55 AM
It would make of a interesting decision on many people’s minds. I think it would destroy the party for all time. But maybe not it could end like an Anderson run.
unseen on July 12, 2011 at 12:57 AM
yeah 2010 was a test the gop has failed so far. i think 2012 is the last chance they get to turn things around. but the 3rd party talk will probably increase as the year goes on. I agree with those that the best way to reform the party is to take it over but i don’t know it maight be impossible because of the entrenched special interests.
I’m willing to give them a couple more at bats but it is getting close.
unseen on July 12, 2011 at 1:00 AM
I suspect that the “backroom boys”, in the GOP figure that they can co-opt Bachmann, but Palin scares them because they KNOW it won’t be business as usual, with Palin in “the big chair”.
bigmike on July 12, 2011 at 1:01 AM
I think a lot of people have convinced themselves that Bachmann is the better version of Palin, that she is just as good at all of Palin’s talents but lacks “baggage.” If Palin is good, Bachmann must be just as good and maybe better.
I think they are fooling themselves and not looking any further than a pretty face. (I.e., Palin only got where she was by being pretty, and MB is just as pretty, so she should do just as well.) I therefore think these people do not understand Palin very well. The two are extraordinarily different in their history as candidates and approaches to politics.
alwaysfiredup on July 12, 2011 at 1:02 AM
If Palin wins the nomination I think we are definitely going to hear some third party talk by the ruling class repubs. It will be interesting to go dig up some old HA comments at that time.
Kataklysmic on July 12, 2011 at 1:03 AM
It’s like saying Romney and Perry are exactly alike because they both have good hair. It’s so shallow.
alwaysfiredup on July 12, 2011 at 1:04 AM
http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/07/since-rick-perry-wont-run-governor-palin-is-the-only-person-in-the-field-who-can-say-she-vetoed-some-of-obamas-stimulusopen-thread.html
unseen on July 12, 2011 at 1:04 AM
I like Bachmann but am not the least bit concerned about her as a threat to Palin. If Palin gets in, I believe she dispatches Bachmann in short order. But you are right, I think that many have indeed convinced themselves that Bachmann has all of Palin’s strengths and none of her weaknesses. Fine by me. If people want to hand Palin an even larger element of surprise to wield I’m certianly not going to complain about it.
Kataklysmic on July 12, 2011 at 1:06 AM
yeap as different as say McCotter and timmy.
unseen on July 12, 2011 at 1:06 AM
Trump has already said that he will run if GOP nominated a boring white stiff. Now I think he’s more credible candidate than Romney. If the GOP succeeds in neutering Palin with backroom deals then a Trump candidacy is possible and there’s a good chance that Palin will endorse him and so will the tea party types. Trump wins the general comfortably because he can attract Hillary Dems too.
Personally, I think many in establishment have concluded that she wins the whole thing if she gets in and they are doing all this just to make for the general election. If they throw their weight around now, she will be forced to come to them to unite the party. Just as Regan put Bush on the ticket.
That’s my most optimistic scenario. But if they really think they cans top her either in primary or in the general and go far in that regard, then all bets are off.
promachus on July 12, 2011 at 1:08 AM
That is much better phrased, thanks.
alwaysfiredup on July 12, 2011 at 1:08 AM
in a way i hope they do. it will give the ABP people someone to vote for besides Obama. Obama’s support will tank and Palin should be able to get the majority of states besides the NE and west coast….her bedrock levle of support in poll after poll is around 38% nationally. in a three person race a 40% take should be enough for the win. as the “moderates ” vote for the rino.
unseen on July 12, 2011 at 1:09 AM
there will be no president trump. that’s just not going to happen.
alwaysfiredup on July 12, 2011 at 1:09 AM
whereas the truth is just the opposite. She has none of her strengths and all of her weaknesses
unseen on July 12, 2011 at 1:10 AM
Since I can no longer write in proper English, I’m turning in. ‘Night.
alwaysfiredup on July 12, 2011 at 1:10 AM
Exactly.
promachus on July 12, 2011 at 1:12 AM
It’s a risky proposition, but it would certainly be a thing of beauty to simultaneously take out the dems, the rinos, and the MSM. From your lips to God’s ears.
Kataklysmic on July 12, 2011 at 1:12 AM
unseen on July 12, 2011 at 1:13 AM
hey A man can dream can’t he…..lol
unseen on July 12, 2011 at 1:18 AM
k if anyone is still out there have a good one.
unseen on July 12, 2011 at 1:21 AM
I’m really late to this, but Bachmann’s statement is ridiculous.
Executive experience does matter.
That’s how you find out if you’re a leader rather than a supporter.
That’s how you find out if you have the ability to articulate vision and purpose so that others will understand.
That’s how you find out if you can lead by example and bring out the best in people so that they know the end goal is worth the discipline and sacrifice.
That’s how you find out if you can assess people’s abilities and put them into the right job.
That’s how you find out if you can learn to delegate and leave micromanaging behind.
That’s how you find out if you know how to encourage and when to challenge.
That’s how you find out if you can take a group and lead them through ups and downs to success.
For Bachmann to say this really shows her lack of executive experience–not to mention poor logic, because a good executive leader wouldn’t grow government just to grow it, but assess, analyze and implement what’s needed.
INC on July 12, 2011 at 1:30 AM
But what’s to prevent somebody like him to enter the fray to capitalize on the disaffection when Romney gets the nod, a Palin endorsement or not.
From what I understood, a Ross Perot can break George Bush but an Anderson can do relatively little damage to Reagan. The establishment is playing with fire.
promachus on July 12, 2011 at 1:33 AM
Ha. Funny and good point. I remember both elections.
INC on July 12, 2011 at 1:34 AM
Hey INC, I agree about Bachmann, furthermore, I see Romney as at best a manager and not a leader, and “a consensus-manager”, which in my opinion is the worst kind.
bigmike on July 12, 2011 at 1:43 AM
Exactly. Palin and Pawlenty are both correct, POTUS is no place for a newbie.
Being anti or even pro-big government has nothing to do with executive experience. It doesn’t matter what you believe if you have no idea how to implement your ideas or hire the right people to help you. Bachmann has already proven that she can’t hire the right people when she hired Mr. Mouth Ed Rollins.
Common Sense on July 12, 2011 at 1:47 AM
I think that’s a good assessment.
He doesn’t seem to be a leader who has a vision and can say take that hill and then lead the way. He doesn’t seem to look around and analyze situations from principle. He seems more like a wheeler dealer.
INC on July 12, 2011 at 1:49 AM
So hold on: I don’t want to sound like I’m defending Bachmann (I like a few candidates but haven’t jumped into anyone’s bandwagon yet), but for all the talk about her lack of executive experience I’m sure that a lot of you were praising Herman Cain a few months ago when the debates begun. So why the double standard? Cain also has 0 executive experience.
On the flip side, (almost) 3 years ago I was the first one to criticize the silly notion that Palin was wrong for the VP position because she didn’t have enough experience for the role, while the same people were silent about the fact that Obama didn’t have a fraction of Palin’s experience yet was running for the presidency!!!
But in regards to the current candidates I will never support someone fully inexperienced (Obama for example, who barely had any experience as a senator and never in his life ran a lemonade stand). In that case it could be argued that both Cain and MB have business experience. Considering that the next few years will be about cutting the fat from government and promoting an environment conductive of business and progress, it would be nice to have a president that is pro- business and pro capitalism for a chance.
Again, this is not an endorsement of either of these candidates as Cain keeps talking in platitudes with nothing specific planned, and MB, while much more specific on ideas still needs to be more detailed on some of her points (which, though correct, oftentimes come out a bit ambiguous and are twisted into a “gaffe” by the MSM).
So far Pawlenty is the only guy who has come up with any detailed plans which i think it is time for other candidates to follow and start bringing up (plans of their own). Unlike some here I don’t care if the guy seems boring or not. We are not voting an entertainer or a diva (we already have one in the White House- how’s that working out for you?). We need people who understand what makes America move and that has the courage to look somebody into the eyes and say “You might want free healthcare or money for ethanol, but you can’t have what can’t be afforded and is impossible to sustain”.
And until (and only if) Palin and Perry announce what their intentions are it is useless to keep talking about them.
ptcamn on July 12, 2011 at 1:54 AM
I don’t know who you were talking about but many of us were very consistent neither Cain nor Bachmann had enough executive experience for the job. At least Cain has run a private company and more importantly he was on chairman of a state federal reserve bank. that’s not ideal but not completely nothing. Bachmann has nothing, no executive experience and her so called private business doesn’t count.
promachus on July 12, 2011 at 2:05 AM
Get out of my head. I would only add that I don’t believe the GOP establishment sees the train wreck they are heading towards. I think their attitude is to continue to treat Republicans/Conservatives like mushrooms (in the dark and fed a steady diet of sh*t).
SKYFOX on July 12, 2011 at 7:58 AM
Bachmann is a lunatic. Sarah will just sit back and watch the self-destruction, while munching on moose burgers – from the moose she shot,killed, dressed, butchered, ground and froze one Saturday afternoon in AK.
stenwin77 on July 12, 2011 at 8:35 AM
Couldn’t agree more that executive experience needs to be required for any candidate running for President. Besides Obama being far left, his lack of executive experience was my biggest complaint — also was a complaint against McCain. Congress does not make up for lack of Executive experience and the House is worse then the Senate.
Cannot believe the people I have seen that were against Obama’s lack of experience that spin and defend Bachmann. It is called a double standard and frankly I would have thought conservatives were beyond that.
She is not even that well liked in the House or she would have gotten more than six supporters for Conference Chair. She has submitted very few bills since being in Congress and as a former IRS tax attorney, I will pass.
Would some of you support her if she weighed 200 lbs with the same agenda? Seems to be a common thread starting with the “I am no a witch” where a lot of conservatives never looked at her background and ignored her comments about her opponent lurking in the bushes outside her condo, etc. She was pretty and that’s all it took.
Another issue is the marriage amendment — how can conservatives go after Roe v Wade as overreaching by the Federal Government and saying it belongs in the states to wanting a Federal amendment for marriage? Make no sense to this state’s rights person who believes those issues belong in my state not at the federal level. Then I have a right to choose where I want to live.
Anyone who signed that pledge in Iowa is out in my book.
PhiKapMom on July 12, 2011 at 8:39 AM
Worth repeating:
“Palin is viewed as extreme. Bachmann is extreme.”
promachus on July 11, 2011 at 9:09 PM
debg on July 12, 2011 at 9:13 AM
Touche’
Bachmann +1
petefrt on July 12, 2011 at 9:16 AM
Considering each new bill is a new law that takes away freedoms, I would count this as a feature, not a bug.
fossten on July 12, 2011 at 9:40 AM
Perry’s getting in with Palin’s endorsement.
Knucklehead on July 11, 2011 at 8:28 PM
Getting to the party a day late (as usual). I must say
that although I would like Palin to be president as I think her
honesty, ethics, small government ideas and the fact that
she is beholden to no special interest groups is very
appealing – I also think that if Palin endorsed and campaigned hard for Perry it
would be game over for the other dwarfs.
Amjean on July 12, 2011 at 9:40 AM
Au contraire, Palin is not extreme, neither is Bachmann. They are both being painted as extreme by the socialists/statists/libs who fear them and hate their views of freedom. You know who is extreme? Our current President!
Christian Conservative on July 12, 2011 at 9:41 AM
Something many people miss is that homosexual behavior is indeed a personal choice, even if the “impulse” may be congenital.
I think many people are happier as heteros than gays. Leaving the mainstream can be very stressful and does indeed exclude you from the “normal” world. No law will ever change that.
So sure, pray to God for strength etc.
disa on July 12, 2011 at 9:51 AM
Maybe that particular portion is aimed at Bachmann. Maybe at Obama. Regardless, its truth is self-evident.
Reading Ace’s entire post, however, I can only conclude “there are none so blind as those who will not see.” Every hint and clue that Palin is entering the race is twisted in his mind into a signal of just the opposite. Instead of reading Palin’s list of leadership attributes as a description of herself and her record (which she highlights several times in her Facebook note), he leaps to the conclusion that she must be talkin’ ’bout Perry.
“…foolish and senseless people Who have eyes and see not, who have ears and hear not.”
steebo77 on July 12, 2011 at 9:54 AM
The electorate votes identity not issues. That’s how we got into our current situation. It’s a beauty contest and that’s how the liberals want it. If it were about issues, they’d lose; unless they tell better lies.
the_souse on July 12, 2011 at 9:54 AM
YOU already know the answer to your question as many
previous posters have tried to explain it to you.
I will say, however, that the comparison of Palin resigning as gov 2/3 the way into her term, thereby saving her family from bankruptcy and the state of Alaska spending millions more to address the issue of these frivolous lawsuits with Bauchmann collecting a paycheck as Minnesota house member, ignoring her job and campaigning as president would be
interesting.
Amjean on July 12, 2011 at 10:02 AM
Allahpundit lives in mortal fear of the “Cristian Right”. I guess he’s afraid they’re going to take away his Playboy channel or something.
Palin’s jab is aimed at the the Exotic Other in the White House. She still has the ugly matter of her resignation hanging over her head so she really needs to avoid the stone throwing at this point. It would be easy for Bachmann to say “And when the going got tough, I didn’t resign.”
I think it’s time for Palin to put her money where her mouth is. If she can brag “I can win” then let’s see her jump in and prove it.
Talk is cheap, Sarah.
NickDeringer on July 11, 2011 at 8:36 PM
My response above was to Nick.
Amjean on July 12, 2011 at 10:03 AM
Bachmann’s biggest liability is her inexperience. But she’s got more real-world experience than Obama.
hawksruleva on July 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM
Re: Bauchmann
Who is going to vote for a former IRS tax attorney?
Amjean on July 12, 2011 at 10:27 AM
Not true. A Congressional repeal of Obamacare would start as a bill and become a law and would not take away, but rather add, to my freedoms. So would the disbanding of the EPA, DoE, and other various organizations.
The problem with Bachmann isn’t what she says or what she stands for…it’s that she doesn’t have meat to go with her sauce.
I like Bachmann. If Palin is out, Bachmann is my choice. She’s above Perry in that regard. However, lack of leadership is a legitimate criticism.
Pattosensei on July 12, 2011 at 10:38 AM
Perfectly stated.
Gotta go with Perry if given the choice between Bachmann and Perry. Leadership experience is non-negotiable this time around. The country cannot survive another rookie.
Missy on July 12, 2011 at 11:29 AM
OT: Rush is fixing to interview Rubio..Coming up in the next hour..(Second segment)..:)
PS..This will be good..:)
Dire Straits on July 12, 2011 at 1:03 PM
Bwahahahahaha!!!!! This coming from someone who failed at her on the job training governing the 46th ranked state in the union!
csdeven on July 12, 2011 at 3:37 PM
Oh brother. Try again.
powerpro on July 13, 2011 at 5:51 AM
Whoops. I broke my rule to never respond to csdeven after he went batloop crazy on me last time.
Won’t make that mistake again.
powerpro on July 13, 2011 at 5:52 AM
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