Wisconsin’s Walker signs must-issue carry permits into law

posted at 5:35 pm on July 10, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

On Friday, Governor Scott Walker signed a bill that made Wisconsin the 49th state to allow law-abiding citizens to carry firearms. Walker had tried to get the bill passed for years while a state legislator, but his Democratic predecessor, Jim Doyle, and Democrats in the legislature had stymied those efforts. This time the bill passed with bipartisan support and allows Wisconsin residents to get permits on a must-issue basis — meaning that the state cannot deny a permit application without justifiable cause, such as a felony record:

In one stroke, the legislation takes Wisconsin from being one of the final pair of remaining holdouts on concealed carry to having one of the more permissive bills in the country.

The proposal, which takes effect Nov. 1, joins other long-sought measures that Republicans passed this year, including requiring photo IDs from voters and making health savings accounts tax-exempt.

Signing the bill in Rothschild, near Wausau, Walker noted the length of the fight over the legislation, which he had once also supported as a lawmaker.

“By signing concealed carry into law today we are making Wisconsin safer for all responsible, law abiding citizens,” he said in a statement.

The measure includes provisions requiring training and permits, which were sought by both Walker and Democrats. Some Republicans unsuccessfully pushed “constitutional carry” bills that would have allowed people to carry concealed guns without permits.

Protesters shouted about the threat to public safety facing Wisconsin residents that has been seen in, er, how many carry states?  Zero.  In fact, most states see a decrease in crime after the enactment of such legislation, as Rep. Cliff Stearns noted in 2009:

Allowing law-abiding people to arm themselves offers more than piece of mind for those individuals — it pays off for everybody through lower crime rates.  Statistics from the FBI’s Uniformed Crime Report of 2007 show that states with right-to-carry laws have a 30% lower homicide rate, 46% lower robbery, and 12% lower aggravated assault rate and a 22% lower overall violent crime rate than do states without such laws.  That is why more and more states have passed right-to-carry laws over the past decade.

In 1987, my home state of Florida enacted a “shall issue” law that has become the model for other states. Anti-gun groups, politicians and the news media predicted the new law would lead to vigilante justice and “Wild West” shootouts on every corner.

But since adopting a concealed carry law Florida’s total violent crime rate has dropped 32% and its homicide rate has dropped 58%. Floridians, except for criminals, are safer due to this law. And Florida is not alone. Texas’ violent crime rate has dropped 20% and homicide rate has dropped 31%, since enactment of its 1996 carry law.

Another study makes the moral case for expanding and enhancing right-to-carry laws.  A report by John Lott, Jr. and David Mustard of the University of Chicago released in 1996 found “that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths.”  Further, the Lott-Mustard study noted, “If those states which did not have right-to-carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravate assaults would have been avoided yearly.”

Think about it.  Nearly 8,000 of our fellow citizens have died between 1992 and 1996 because of the irrational fear that law-abiding Americans would abuse their right to self defense. In fact concealed carry permit holders are more law-abiding than the rest of the public. For example, Florida, which has issued more carry permits than any state has issued 1.36 million permits, but revoked only 165 (0.01%) due to gun crimes by permit-holders.

John Lott wrote about the dynamics of self-defense in his seminal book, More Guns Less Crime, which is in its third edition (and is available on Kindle now, too).  Here in Minnesota, opponents also warned about the return of the Wild Wild West and blood flowing in the streets, and the scare tactics turned out to be entirely false.  That’s because going through the training process provides a sobering douse of cold water on gun owners about the realities of using a firearm for self-defense.  My late friend Joel Rosenberg’s excellent book on the subject Everything You Need to Know About (Legally) Carrying a Gun in Minnesota and his most recent effort The Carry Book gave an entertainingly dire warning to those who thought that a carry permit was the same thing as a Junior Deputy badge.

Law-abiding citizens who seek out and receive the necessary training to get the permit know exactly the stakes involved, which is why (besides the fact that they were law-abiding in the first place) these states don’t see increases in crime rates, especially in relation to permit holders.  But having law-abiding citizens carry firearms may be why criminals suddenly take less interest in victimizing them, which may well be the reason for the drops in crime seen after adoption of carry-permit laws.

We’ll be celebrating Joel’s life and work at the MOB Day at the Range this Thursday evening, as well as raising funds for his family.  Looks like we can also celebrate the fact that our neighbors to the east have won the right to protect themselves, too.

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Congrats to Walker & the residents of Wisconsin!!

Tim Zank on July 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM

The Wild West. Gun figths at the NEA corral to erupt tomorrow.

JimP on July 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Welcome to the club!

ladyingray on July 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM

So, Illinois is the only remaining “No Issue” state?

aquaviva on July 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM

We’re number 50! We’re number 50!

A gal can dream while stuck in the liberal wasteland of Illinois…

Fallon on July 10, 2011 at 5:42 PM

The next thing we need are Castle Doctrine laws passed!

JellyToast on July 10, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Can we get a federal law now? Standardize reciprocity across all 50 states. Maybe even lose this ridiculous permitting of firearms in the various states too.

clement on July 10, 2011 at 5:43 PM

What about those extra 7 states Barry says we have?

SouthernGent on July 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM

It’s a fringe radical Tea Party position! Only 98% of the states agree.

forest on July 10, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Winning!

hillbillyjim on July 10, 2011 at 5:46 PM

If I’m reading the law right and they require no actual shooting proficiency test, half the states in the US will not honor the Wisconsin permit in a reciprocal agreement. That sucks. C’mon Wisconsin read other states laws and try to find the right combination of provisions to make the law work for the people of Wisconsin.

MJZZZ on July 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Since the left knows their “concerns” about increased violent crime from these laws are false, one wonders what they’re really afraid of from an armed citizenry. It’ll make it tougher to get us into the gulags, I imagine.

Rational Thought on July 10, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Re-elect Obama and he’ll change all this.

Schadenfreude on July 10, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Unbelievable timing.

In unrelated newz: Huffinglue Post posted an article on 7/7/11 stating that Barack Obama is to unveil gun control reforms in the near future! Yay!~

Take a look at the link above, it’s important or I wouldn’t keep posting it.

Key West Reader on July 10, 2011 at 5:50 PM

So, Illinois is the only remaining “No Issue” state?

aquaviva on July 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM

BHO wants to feel safe when he goes home in a few months.

Key West Reader on July 10, 2011 at 5:51 PM

“Protesters shouted about the threat to public safety…”

That is why Obowma and Holder, et al came up with “Fast and Furious”…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on July 10, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Saturday stats from the Windy City: 2 shot and killed, 11+ shot and wounded. The final weekend total should be impressive. Tough gun control laws in action!

MayorDaley on July 10, 2011 at 6:01 PM

I knew it. You guys are complicit in the faux Fast and oh so Furious Gun Scandal.

crr6 /

CW on July 10, 2011 at 6:08 PM

“Protesters shouted about the threat to public safety…”

Seven Percent Solution on July 10, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Seems they are worried about the wrong people. Must be Dumbocrats.

CW on July 10, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Good going, WI!

Amazing what happens when you trust the average citizen with their own liberty: crime goes down.

Maybe this lesson can finally be learned by Americans and that using your 2nd Amendment rights is no different than learning your 1st… and that they protect your 1st Amendment rights, too. Speak responsibly, carry responsibly, live responsibly: no government needed when you self-govern.

ajacksonian on July 10, 2011 at 6:12 PM

That was the info I needed, Ed. The lexicon is “Shall carry” but yours will do. There was other overdue legislation, too.

The proposal, which takes effect Nov. 1, joins other long-sought measures that Republicans passed this year, including requiring photo IDs from voters and making health savings accounts tax-exempt.

Well done.

Now to turn the may-issue states into shall carry; CA, CN, DE, HA, MD, MA, NY, NJ, RI. IL and DC must enjoy their protected criminal status a while longer. CA is going retrograde but there is a history of litigation.

Thanks again.

Caststeel on July 10, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Obamao will issue an executive order putting a halt to this nonsense in 3.. 2.. 1..

Timothy S. Carlson on July 10, 2011 at 6:16 PM

I knew it. You guys are complicit in the faux Fast and oh so Furious Gun Scandal.

crr6 /

CW on July 10, 2011 at 6:08 PM

I have no idea, but I do know that you guys come up with really cool names for your fake scandals.

crr6 on July 10, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 10, 2011 at 6:17 PM

CW on July 10, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Well, we did come up with that really cool name for it.
/

VegasRick on July 10, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Seems they are worried about the wrong people. Must be Dumbocrats.

CW on July 10, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Yep…

Seven Percent Solution on July 10, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Inviolate.

Don’t even try messing with our last, best guarantee against bloody-minded sh!ts like Chavez and others who would be king.

hillbillyjim on July 10, 2011 at 6:24 PM

So, Illinois is the only remaining “No Issue” state?

aquaviva on July 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM

California is a “may issue” states which, given the persons who are appointed to the issuing bodies, makes it effectively a “no issue” state.

scrubjay on July 10, 2011 at 6:28 PM

What’s the name of the last state that hasn’t flipped? Wisconsin was 49. Let me guess…… Vermont. Does anyone know which state is left?

Dr Evil on July 10, 2011 at 6:30 PM

My late friend Joel Rosenberg’s excellent book on the subject Everything You Need to Know About (Legally) Carrying a Gun in Minnesota and his most recent effort The Carry Book gave an entertainingly dire warning to those who thought that a carry permit was the same thing as a Junior Deputy badge.

Wasn’t he JUST on TEMS a few months ago? I seem to remember catching part of that interview. What happened to your friend if you don’t mind my asking?

P.S. Prayers are inbound for his family.

SgtSVJones on July 10, 2011 at 6:30 PM

California is a “may issue” states which, given the persons who are appointed to the issuing bodies, makes it effectively a “no issue” state.

scrubjay on July 10, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Isn’t this what NY is as well?

I have a friend from NYC who is vehemently opposed to guns. Or was until 911. Now they have one.

ladyingray on July 10, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Does this include water pistols and ROTC approved guns on school grounds?

Next question, is Obama coming to visit and speak on gun control soon?

Mcguyver on July 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM

BHO wants to feel safe when he goes home in a few months.

Key West Reader on July 10, 2011 at 5:51 PM

Connecticut is a concealed carry state

whiskeytango on July 10, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Inviolate.

Don’t even try messing with our last, best guarantee against bloody-minded sh!ts like Chavez and others who would be king.

hillbillyjim on July 10, 2011 at 6:24 PM

So what happened to the New Orleans cops that illegally seized guns from citizens after Katrina?

Nothing.

slickwillie2001 on July 10, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Caststeel on July 10, 2011 at 6:14 PM
scrubjay on July 10, 2011 at 6:28 PM
ladyingray on July 10, 2011 at 6:36 PM

We still have real Jim Crow laws in the US and they are May Issue gun permit laws.

In some parts of the United States, concealed handgun permit statutes were passed for frankly racist reasons, as a method of prohibiting Blacks from carrying arms. “The statute was never intended to be applied to the white population and in practice has never been so applied,” in the words of a Florida Supreme Court Justice. [3]

While the motivations behind California’s concealed handgun statute are not as clearly understood, the effect has been similar. California’s legislative research body studied the issue in 1986 and concluded: “The overwhelming majority of permit holders are white males.” [4] Because so many victims of violent crime are female or non-white, the discrimination in granting of carry permits is especially hard to justify. [5]

http://www.claytoncramer.com/scholarly/shall-issue.html

mad saint jack on July 10, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Great job Governor Walker..:)

Dire Straits on July 10, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Here’s Wiki on Concealed Carry
Good article.

CA, CN, DE, HA, MD, MA, NY, NJ, RI, IL and DC must enjoy their protected criminal status a while longer. CA is going retrograde but there is a history of litigation.

Caststeel on July 10, 2011 at 6:47 PM

So what happened to the New Orleans cops that illegally seized guns from citizens after Katrina?

Nothing.

slickwillie2001 on July 10, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Precisely why we the people must stand up to would-be tyrants.

There are avenues of recourse, if people will pursue them.

hillbillyjim on July 10, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Connecticut is a concealed carry state

whiskeytango on July 10, 2011 at 6:41 PM

I caught that! clever.

VegasRick on July 10, 2011 at 6:49 PM

mad saint jack on July 10, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Exactly right but with the caveat that liberals use any excuse to enact their prejudice. BTW FL has almost 2M CCW permits out. CA maybe 200.

Caststeel on July 10, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Precisely why we the people must stand up to would-be tyrants.

There are avenues of recourse, if people will pursue them.

hillbillyjim on July 10, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Is “armed to the teeth” one of them? Cause I’m already there.

VegasRick on July 10, 2011 at 6:52 PM

VegasRick on July 10, 2011 at 6:52 PM

We should all be purchasing rifles to keep them out of the hands of the ATF agents pushing them out the door to Mexico… consider it a two-fer.

ajacksonian on July 10, 2011 at 6:56 PM

The insane thing is just south of the Wisconsin border in my own state of Illinois, our idiot governor Pat “J-E-L-L-O!” Quinn is still waving around his signed ban of concealed weapons like it is his greatest victory.

Nevermind the fact that the criminal element we have running around our state is laughing their heads off about this!

pilamaye on July 10, 2011 at 6:57 PM

We should all be purchasing rifles to keep them out of the hands of the ATF agents pushing them out the door to Mexico… consider it a two-fer.

ajacksonian on July 10, 2011 at 6:56 PM

I’m doing my part but I’m runnin outta room!

VegasRick on July 10, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Also note that defeating Sheriff Lee Baca in LA County would be a huge win for CCW.

mad saint jack on July 10, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Is “armed to the teeth” one of them? Cause I’m already there.

VegasRick on July 10, 2011 at 6:52 PM

In a way, rights are like muscles; one must either use them or lose them…

hillbillyjim on July 10, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Civilian Marksmanship Program is pushing Garands. Long since out of 1911 and .30 M1 Carbines.
Linkey

Caststeel on July 10, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Now there’s a gun Walker we can all cheer for.

Knott Buyinit on July 10, 2011 at 7:06 PM

hillbillyjim on July 10, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Let me be clear, to steal a worn-out phrase:

By avenues of recourse, I mean that those whose rights were violated with Katrina as the excuse should pursue every legal means available to see that those who abused their authority are held accountable.

The idiots acted stupidly.

Wow. Two Obamaisms in one post. I must be articulate and stuff.

hillbillyjim on July 10, 2011 at 7:09 PM

VegasRick on July 10, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Know what you mean on that… I’m in the process of cleaning up the most recent acquisitions… grab them up before the ATF funnels them south, I say. Plus they make lovely presents to family members!

ajacksonian on July 10, 2011 at 7:11 PM

mad saint jack on July 10, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Add Orange Co Sandra Hutchens. So many opportunities.

Caststeel on July 10, 2011 at 7:13 PM

I’m doing my part but I’m runnin outta room!

VegasRick on July 10, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Careful there, when the number of guns one has gets to the arbitrary level that the ATF can declare it an ‘arsenal’ and your home a ‘compound’, your civil rights go out the window.

slickwillie2001 on July 10, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Wisconsin,the new Texas.

docflash on July 10, 2011 at 7:16 PM

What’s the name of the last state that hasn’t flipped? Wisconsin was 49. Let me guess…… Vermont. Does anyone know which state is left?

Dr Evil on July

Vermont’s founders were wise enough to place an armed citizenry in its state Constitution. Otherwise, the Progs up there would have ensured carrying any guns would already be illegal.

honsy on July 10, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Now we just need a few more States to go for unrestricted open and concealed carry… ahhhh… returning to civilized life again…

ajacksonian on July 10, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Plus they make lovely presents to family members!

ajacksonian on July 10, 2011 at 7:11 PM

What a warm and fuzzy thought!

VegasRick on July 10, 2011 at 7:20 PM

ajacksonian on July 10, 2011 at 7:11 PM

There’s something special about a ‘gently used’ pistol, rifle or shotgun. Especially when presented with TLC and a used target. Initiative, I call it.

Caststeel on July 10, 2011 at 7:21 PM

What a warm and fuzzy thought!

VegasRick on July 10, 2011 at 7:20 PM

And its amazing how a niece will suddenly place you in the ‘cool’ zone for giving her a good, accurate bolt-action rifle. The little things in life make it all worthwhile.

ajacksonian on July 10, 2011 at 7:23 PM

There’s something special about a ‘gently used’ pistol, rifle or shotgun. Especially when presented with TLC and a used target. Initiative, I call it.

Caststeel on July 10, 2011 at 7:21 PM

There is nothing like an 80 year old rifle that has the cosmoline cleaned off it and the bore nice and shiny with nice lands and grooves… and days spent getting it all fixed up with loving care… its a dirty job but someone has to do it.

ajacksonian on July 10, 2011 at 7:25 PM

ajacksonian on July 10, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Yeppers.

Memories

A bit of country as a thank you.

Caststeel on July 10, 2011 at 7:36 PM

There’s also something satisfying about clicking the “reload” button on a gun thread.

Caststeel on July 10, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Now there’s a gun Walker we can all cheer for.

Knott Buyinit on July 10, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Perfect!
+ a gazillion.

katy the mean old lady on July 10, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Caststeel on July 10, 2011 at 7:36 PM

My pleasure… now that I have a little bit of energy I find I must spend it doing things and thusly have less time online.

ajacksonian on July 10, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Ohio’s Gov. Kasich signed a new law in about 10 days ago allowing guns into bars, malls etc.

Note from USA Today.

The law, Senate Bill 17, prohibits gun owners from consuming alcohol or being under the influence of alcohol or drugs when they bring their licensed weapons into establishments that serve alcohol, Reuters notes. Businesses can ban concealed weapons for safety reasons. Already the Cincinnati Bengals football team has said it will ban weapons from its stadium.

If you are at a Bengals game and a bad guy sneaks a gun in just ask the 78 year old usher for help.

The NRA favored Kasich’s opponent in the recent race.

Many states have already allowed guns into restaurants that serve alcohol.

The opponents of the bill paint all sort of horrible pictures. Funny their fear tactics are rarely supported by reality.

I wonder where their voices are in regards to Fast and Furious? crr, Bueller, Bueller….?

CW on July 10, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Love me some Governor Walker.

AUH2O on July 10, 2011 at 8:46 PM

We need a lot more governors like this guy.

AUH2O on July 10, 2011 at 8:47 PM

So, Illinois is the only remaining “No Issue” state?

aquaviva on July 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM

We’re number 50! We’re number 50!

A gal can dream while stuck in the liberal wasteland of Illinois…

Fallon on July 10, 2011 at 5:42 PM

I share your pain, ladies, here in the People’s Republic of Illinois. Isn’t it interesting that Illinois boasts two of the most crime-ridden, violent cities in America — Chicago and East St. Louis, both of which are completely controlled by … wait for it … Democrats! Virtually the rest of the state is Republican to some degree or another.

Anyone wonder who the people are in this state who actually do have permits to carry a gun? Why…Democrap politicians and their friends, of course.

Jaibones on July 10, 2011 at 9:13 PM

It is great. I’ve got a .22 caliber with my name on it as soon as I take some training and get the permit.

I’m glad Walker is our governor.

For all of you impressed by his work, please spread the good news of what Walker and the Republicans are doing in Wisconsin. Several Republicans are facing recalls this summer and they’re going to try to recall Walker next year.

Your spreading the good word and helping us in this fight will help the Republicans stay in power in Wisconsin.

englishqueen01 on July 10, 2011 at 9:51 PM

Congratulations Wisconsin! Now seek out frequent, professional training.

Kenosha Kid on July 10, 2011 at 10:21 PM

What about those extra 7 states Barry says we have?

SouthernGent on July 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM

You know, in his commet he actually allude to another state yet to visit. Did he think there were 58?

And where the heck is MadCon on this great news thread?

hawkdriver on July 11, 2011 at 12:47 AM

I wish the national GOP had the stones of the Wisconsin GOP. Dang, I love these guys.

Paid for by the Committee to Erect Anthony Weiner on July 11, 2011 at 12:52 AM

does a woman have to take a class and go to school to vote?
No! because the constitution has an amendment that states she has a right to vote.

Does a black person have to have a permit to be a free man?
No! Because there is also a constitutional amendment that says the he is free.

All of the rights outlined in the constitution are guaranteed to all.(EXCEPT SOME CONVICTED)

The 14th amendment states that no state can deprive a person of there constitutional rights.

It states as plain as the nose on you face “THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”

YOU DON’T HAVE TO GET A FN PERMIT TO EXERCISE YOUR RIGHTS!

esnap on July 11, 2011 at 3:08 AM

englishqueen01 on July 10, 2011 at 9:51 PM

Assuming this will be your first gun, the .22 is great to start out with; low recoil, inexpensive and tons of fun to shoot for the rest of your life. But for self-defense, shot placement is critical and very difficult when adrenalin is coursing through your veins as it will be in a life-or-death situation. As soon as you can you should consider stepping up in caliber. Talk to your instructors and trusted gun-owning friends. Everyone has their faves, but in general they will give you good advice. And practice, practice, practice.

Extrafishy on July 11, 2011 at 6:00 AM

Forgot to add: Goodonya, Wisconsin!

Extrafishy on July 11, 2011 at 6:08 AM

Very well said Extrafishy a .22 is not a great self defense caliber. I started carrying a .380 Colt and it held 7 shots, that’s enough to scare most scum away. After a while I moved up to a .45 Kimber and it also held seven shots, but even with 2 spare mags I still only had 21 rounds with me. I finally settled on the CZ PCR 9mm, it holds 14 shots with a flush mag and will hold extended load mags too. So with 2 spare mags I can carry 49 rounds without a hassle. I chose round count over caliber, but your experience may be different. Get out to the range and practice.

MJZZZ on July 11, 2011 at 6:14 AM

MJZZZ on July 11, 2011 at 6:14 AM

Dude…49 rounds? Outside of combat, armed insurrection or zombie attack I can’t imagine a situation where 21 rounds of .45 isn’t enough, but then I don’t get out that much. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but if you need to carry that much ammo maybe you should move to another neighborhood.

SKYFOX on July 11, 2011 at 7:24 AM

Meanwhile, in Detroit, an armed customer decided not to be a victim.

Dale Wyckoff on July 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM

SKYFOX, there’s nothing more useless than an empty gun and especially an empty Glock.

MJZZZ on July 11, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Get your license (license, not permit, although license is the wrong concept too) and carry every day. Every single day. Become totally desensitized to carrying your pocket pistol. Just don’t forget to leave it behind if you ever go into the post office (but why would you?).

bbhack on July 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM