Could Obama lose Pennsylvania in 2012?

posted at 5:35 pm on July 8, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

That’s not even the big question that arises from PPP’s latest survey in Pennsylvania.  Despite a significant registration advantage, Republicans won the gubernatorial and Senatorial races in the Keystone State in 2010, plus kept their hold on the state legislature, so the possibility definitely exists that Barack Obama might lose this reliable blue state in the next cycle.  The big question will be whether he can win a second term without it (via Newsalert):

Pennsylvania is looking more and more like it could be a tough hold for Barack Obama in 2012. His approval rating in the state continues to be under water at 46/48. More voters have expressed disapproval than happiness with Obama on all three polls PPP has done in the state so far in 2011. And even though Obama took Pennsylvania by 10 points in 2008 the best he can muster right now in a head to head match up with Mitt Romney is a tie.

Obama’s problem in Pennsylvania appears to be the ‘Hillary Democrats’ finally causing him a real issue. There was a lot of speculation in 2008 that they wouldn’t vote for him in the general election but in the end they did. Now though his approval rating with Democrats in the state is only 74%, well below his national numbers, and with white Democrats it goes down even further to 70%. Meanwhile Republicans are much more unified in their disapproval of Obama (85%, with only 10% approving) and the President’s not getting any favors from independents either who break down slightly negatively (44/45) in their assessments of him.

Obama’s poll numbers are worse in Pennsylvania than they are in places like Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio, and New Mexico, all states that went Republican in 2004 even as Pennsylvania voted Democratic. The President’s persistently poor numbers in a state that’s gone Democratic in every Presidential election for the last 24 years probably make Pennsylvania the place where Obama should be most concerned about his current standing.

The survey shows a D+11 advantage for a Democratic pollster, but in Pennsylvania, that’s probably about right – if you go by registration advantage.  In the 2010 race, exit polls from the gubernatorial race showed an advantage of only 40/37 for Democrats, and Tom Corbett won that race by eight points.  In 2008, in a good night for Democrats nationwide, the exit polls showed only a 44/37 advantage for Democrats, and it’s clear that Obama doesn’t have the kind of enthusiasm at his back now that he enjoyed then in Pennsylvania, where Obama won by 11 points.  Given the likely lack of enthusiasm for Obama in 2012, that 11-point Democratic advantage looks like a big overstatement.

With that in mind, let’s look at how Republicans fare against Obama in this poll.  Romney ties Obama at 44%, the best showing in the survey.  He and Tim Pawlenty pull a significant number of those “Hillary Democrats” (18%) into the GOP column, although Pawlenty trails Obama by eight, 47/39.  The only Republicans against which Obama gets a majority are Sarah Palin (53/39 Obama), Michele Bachmann (50/43, a surprisingly close result), and home-state Rick Santorum, who loses 50/40 against Obama.  In a properly-sampled poll, Obama might not get to a majority against any of them, which shows the weakness of his position in the state.

Pennsylvania is a keystone (pun intended) for any Democratic presidential candidate, much the way Ohio is for Republicans.  Its Electoral College mathematical significance matters slightly less than it did before the last Census, but its loss would make Election Night very difficult indeed for Obama.  The disaffection of blue-collar Democrats in Pennsylvania would almost certainly be a harbinger of a national trend, leaving him gasping for air in states like Ohio, Indiana, and Wisconsin — all states Obama won in 2008.  It’s very difficult to see a path to a second term in an election where Obama loses Pennsylvania, especially since its status as a swing state would shift resources to a state that Obama won handily just three years ago.

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sure would help the GOP electoral math if he did

gatorboy on July 8, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Pennsylvania (and Ohio) are likely GOP as it stands right now. The Rust Belt is trending right and quickly. I have family in Erie – typical blue collar, Catholic, union Dems. They absolutely HATE OBama.

Unfortunately Virginia and North Carolina are moving the other way.

Nelsen on July 8, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Who are the 10% of Reps that approve? Undercover fellow travelers?

NaCly dog on July 8, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Glenn Beck has floated the idea that Hillary might actually run against O’Barry in 2012. I don’t think it’s as crazy of an idea as I used to.

NickDeringer on July 8, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Aren’t we assuming politics as usual with this scenorio? I suspect we’ll see the dirtiest games in our history before this election is allowed to be lost!

I remind you -“any means to an end” means “ANY!” This is the man who wished for a civilian army as large as the military and no one dared to ask why? Perhaps it was the right’s biggest mistake yet.

Don L on July 8, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Obama doesn’t have a prayer without Pennsylvania. He loses that state and one can assume he’d lose redder ones like Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida. If Mittens is tolerable enough in the Northeast that he can win in places like Pennsylvania in addition to New Hampshire, that would be the only reason I could see myself warming up to him. I don’t like the guy and I’m still not sold on him being a very good President, but if the primary goal in 2012 is to get rid of Obama at any cost(and a few more job reports like today’s and that’ll be all I’ll be focused on), then sadly Romney may be our best shot.

Doughboy on July 8, 2011 at 5:42 PM

saying a prayer right now…

cmsinaz on July 8, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Bitter clingers with their guns and Bibles, that’s what Pennsylvaniatonianites are. Homophobes too.

Bishop on July 8, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Aren’t we assuming politics as usual with this scenorio? I suspect we’ll see the dirtiest games in our history before this election is allowed to be lost!

I remind you -”any means to an end” means “ANY!” This is the man who wished for a civilian army as large as the military and no one dared to ask why? Perhaps it was the right’s biggest mistake yet.

Don L on July 8, 2011 at 5:42 PM

tru dat don

cmsinaz on July 8, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Yes.

NotCoach on July 8, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Also for consideration: Can Obama collapse the economy, send us into chaos and destroy America by 2012?

darwin on July 8, 2011 at 5:44 PM

It’s tough to win PA because it is one state that the democratics have spent decades building an election-stealing machine in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. If we win, we have to win big enough that they can’t steal it. That practically will mean that the democratics’ army of soldiers will have to be so personally offended by little Bammie that they will not report to their stations on election day.

slickwillie2001 on July 8, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Prediction: obama loses PA, OH, and NJ as well as does not carry one state south of Mason-Dixon

ConservativePartyNow on July 8, 2011 at 5:45 PM

From a Susquehanna poll (conducted May 30 – June 2):

Obama underwater in Pennsylvania (-7%):

only 41% approve of the job the President is doing, compared with 48% who disapprove. This represents a further decline from his 45% job approval rating in March

Majority of Pennsylvanians opposed to Obama’s reelection:

In the poll, by a staggering 50-16 margin voters told us they think the economy in the state is actually WORSE today than it was 12 months ago, which is significant when you consider that the recession technically ended in 2009. And among those who say the economy is doing worse, only 31% approve of the job Obama is doing, while 61% disapprove – a 2:1 margin. Moreover, while 43% said the president deserves to be reelected, 50 percent or 1 in 2 voters say it is time to give a new person a chance.

steebo77 on July 8, 2011 at 5:46 PM

It’s hard to see anyway that he wins right now but 2012 is a long way off. Seems to me that some alinsky type ads would help turn people away from bo,honest ridicule but not mean.

tim c on July 8, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Not holding my breath for the Could Obama Lose Illinois in 2012? article.

WashJeff on July 8, 2011 at 5:47 PM

oh, I went down this rabbit hole with the PUMAs in 2008. I actually believed that Obama would lose PA then.

remember the black panthers with the billy clubs at the polls? wasn’t that PA? What exactly did Eric Holder do with them.

nothing.

kelley in virginia on July 8, 2011 at 5:48 PM

& yes, I am mortally ashamed of Obama’s poll #s in Virginia. those damn liberals in Northern Virginia.

kelley in virginia on July 8, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Murtha Democrats?

I wouldn’t bet on it.

portlandon on July 8, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Obama doesn’t have a prayer without Pennsylvania. He loses that state and one can assume he’d lose redder ones like Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida. If Mittens is tolerable enough in the Northeast that he can win in places like Pennsylvania in addition to New Hampshire, that would be the only reason I could see myself warming up to him. I don’t like the guy and I’m still not sold on him being a very good President, but if the primary goal in 2012 is to get rid of Obama at any cost(and a few more job reports like today’s and that’ll be all I’ll be focused on), then sadly Romney may be our best shot.

Doughboy on July 8, 2011 at 5:42 PM

I’m not so sure. Romney may be able to win PA, but possibly at the expense of the South. Are Southern conservatives going to show up in the numbers we need to vote for a Wall Streeter from New England? Because you can be sure African Americans in North Carolina and Georgia will be turning out in huge numbers again. Those states are already trending against us.

Nelsen on July 8, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Speaking of Pennsylvania, please pardon my obligatory plug for PA4Palin

steebo77 on July 8, 2011 at 5:54 PM

“Despite a significant registration advantage, Republicans won the gubernatorial and Senatorial races in the Keystone State in 2010, plus kept their hold on the state legislature, so the possibility definitely exists that Barack Obama might lose this reliable blue state in the next cycle.”

Ed, didn’t you mean to say, “Despite a significant registration advantage for Democrats, . . . ”

Doesn’t make sense otherwise.

rlyle on July 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I suggest we nominate one of PA’s native sons. And no, I’m not talking about Santorum.

Nelsen on July 8, 2011 at 5:56 PM

I suggest we nominate one of PA’s native sons. And no, I’m not talking about Santorum.

Nelsen on July 8, 2011 at 5:56 PM

I seriously hope you don’t mean Newt Gingrich. Or Ron Paul.

steebo77 on July 8, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Also for consideration: Can Obama collapse the economy, send us into chaos and destroy America by 2012?

darwin on July 8, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Do you see any other way for him to hold onto power?
(Aside from faking an improving economy?)

Chip on July 8, 2011 at 5:58 PM

You know how to tell a poll is entirely falsified? When they find 10% of republicans who approve of Obama.

BKeyser on July 8, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Not holding my breath for the Could Obama Lose Illinois in 2012? article.

WashJeff on July 8, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Quinn’s next move is to have all Republican’s redistricted out of the state.

Start packing, you are no longer needed here.

Knucklehead on July 8, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Prediction: obama loses PA, OH, and NJ as well as does not carry one state south of Mason-Dixon

ConservativePartyNow on July 8, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Maryland has become one of the most solidly Democrat states. The only way for Obama to lose there is for him to experience a nationwide meltdown in support.

DKCZ on July 8, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Up here in Western New York, I’m only a few hours from the PA border, and you better believe that if the race looks close in PA in ’12, I’ll forgo voting locally so that I can travel south and help push for a win there. And I know I’m not the only one who would do it too.

Pope Linus on July 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Glenn Beck has floated the idea that Hillary might actually run against O’Barry in 2012. I don’t think it’s as crazy of an idea as I used to.

NickDeringer on July 8, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Wouldn’t any Dem who had the audacity to primary O’bama be deemed to be playing the Race Card?

Del Dolemonte on July 8, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Of course we could nominate Palin and guarantee PA goes Obama.

rickyricardo on July 8, 2011 at 6:05 PM

I’m not so sure. Romney may be able to win PA, but possibly at the expense of the South. Are Southern conservatives going to show up in the numbers we need to vote for a Wall Streeter from New England? Because you can be sure African Americans in North Carolina and Georgia will be turning out in huge numbers again. Those states are already trending against us.

Nelsen on July 8, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Obama will get destroyed in the South. Look at what happened to the Dems in the midterms. Legislatures that had been under Democrat control for over 100 years swung to the Republicans. 2012 will be a referrendum on Obama, not the GOP nominee. The key is to lock down all of the Bush 2004 states along with a few Northeastern ones as insurance. I hate to say it, but based on all the early polls, Mittens does manage to do that.

Doughboy on July 8, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Maryland has become one of the most solidly Democrat states. The only way for Obama to lose there is for him to experience a nationwide meltdown in support.

DKCZ on July 8, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Ok. I will give you Maryland. However, I will say this, if he loses Maryland, he will only win DC, IL, and HI. CA and NY may even go GOP

ConservativePartyNow on July 8, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Of course we could nominate Palin and guarantee PA goes Obama.

rickyricardo on July 8, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Naw. Don’t think so. With him stopping the coal and steel mills there. I think she can win PA

ConservativePartyNow on July 8, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Just wait until our electricity prices “necessarily skyrocket” and the coal industry goes to hell. MAYBE then PA will wake up and smell the roses.

Oink on July 8, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Of course we could nominate Palin and guarantee PA goes Obama.

rickyricardo on July 8, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Poll Insider: Palin Ties Obama in Key Swing States: OH, NC, NV, MO, PA

Pennsylvania – Obama 46% Palin 42%
Sample: 37% R, 40% D, 23% I
Notes: PPP had an amazing 51% Dem sample! This is a solid 11 points higher than 2010, 7 points higher than 2008, and 10 points higher than 2004.

steebo77 on July 8, 2011 at 6:09 PM

OT: obama has hired a new jobs czar. His name:Ronald McDonald

ConservativePartyNow on July 8, 2011 at 6:10 PM

On a related note:

Pennsylvania’s Economic Outlook Among Nation’s Worst

steebo77 on July 8, 2011 at 5:52 PM

From your link. Claude Rains could not be reached for comment.

The commonwealth’s tax policies were a major contributor to its ranking

Del Dolemonte on July 8, 2011 at 6:10 PM

OT: obama has hired a new jobs czar. His name:Ronald McDonald

ConservativePartyNow on July 8, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Hahahaha.

scalleywag on July 8, 2011 at 6:12 PM

It’s tough to win PA because it is one state that the democratics have spent decades building an election-stealing machine in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. If we win, we have to win big enough that they can’t steal it. That practically will mean that the democratics’ army of soldiers will have to be so personally offended by little Bammie that they will not report to their stations on election day.

slickwillie2001 on July 8, 2011 at 5:45 PM

The GOP legislature and governor may hae a voter ID bill waiting in the wings this fall.

And one hopes the GOP is ready with an army of pollwatchers who are not intimidated by the NBPP. And the GOP pollwatchers have their cameras with them.

Wethal on July 8, 2011 at 6:15 PM

PA is always a tough nut to crack for Republicans. Philly votes massively Democrat, so a Republican needs to win the rest of the state by at least half a million votes to have a chance. This means winning the Philly burbs and the upper Susquehanna Valley (Scranton/Wilkes-Barre/Hazleton), and turning out every last conservative in the rural counties.

The GOP candidate needs to talk about jobs, and should also come out in favor of developing PA’s coal and natural gas resources (fracking!).

One way of winning PA would be NJ Gov. Chris Christie as the VP nominee, since he gets lots of coverage in the Philly media (which serves southern NJ), so voters would know him in the crucial Philly burbs. The problem is, would Christie be a liability in redder states than PA?

Steve Z on July 8, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Poll Insider: Palin Ties Obama in Key Swing States: OH, NC, NV, MO, PA

Pennsylvania – Obama 46% Palin 42%
Sample: 37% R, 40% D, 23% I
Notes: PPP had an amazing 51% Dem sample! This is a solid 11 points higher than 2010, 7 points higher than 2008, and 10 points higher than 2004.
steebo77 on July 8, 2011 at 6:09 PM

First she needs to get in the race. I don’t anticipate anything between now and next Friday when The Undefeated rolls out nationwide, but after that she needs to make up her mind.

Doughboy on July 8, 2011 at 6:22 PM

From where I’m sitting – in the suburbs that decide the PA elections – Obama is going to lose. He wasn’t elected around here for the hopenchange, he was elected for his media-created aura of competence, facilitated by his empty-vessel approach. Obviously that’s in tatters now. Presumably the assumption was that PA (like other purple states) would reelect him “once the economy got better,” as if that were completely detached from his policies. One tries not to dwell too much on Ayn Rand villains.

The only way he wins is if the Republicans nominate Palin. Sorry, Palinites, thems just the facts. It’s not fair that she’s perceived as an idiot, but politics isn’t fair, and it’s the gospel around here. That’s the game we play. They can’t do it to everyone. If she won, it would have to be in a 45 state landslide that would render PA irrelevant.

HitNRun on July 8, 2011 at 6:23 PM

I suggest we nominate one of PA’s native sons. And no, I’m not talking about Santorum.

Nelsen on July 8, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Pat Toomey?

On the other hand, Obama already nominated one of PA’s native sons–Jokin’ Joe Biden from Scranton.

Steve Z on July 8, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Obama will be lucky to win (5) states… It’s that bad because he’s that bad.

Keemo on July 8, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Just spent 10 days with friends in W PA and came back with two explicit messages. The people in the region are Democrats but “they’re not the kind of Democrats who are running the country”; they have no love for the left wing. And, Pennsylvanians are “sick of Philadelphia” votes determining the direction of the state.

The industrial towns are dead zones. The factories are closed and there are masses of people in their 40s and 50s who are among the long-term unemployed and have no (zero, nada) prospects for employment. If you look at the demographics of the former steel/fabricator/industrial towns, the inhabitants are disproportionately of older generations. Ambitious young people have to leave to find employment. The young people in fast food and coffee joints, the bartenders and the waiters have college degrees.

Yeah, it’s the union people who are left, but they believe the unions screwed them, too. Yes, many are looking for someone else to take care of them and resent “the rich.” But they aren’t happy with their lives or the leftwing social policies of this regime.

obladioblada on July 8, 2011 at 6:29 PM

Obama will be lucky to win (5) states… It’s that bad because he’s that bad.

Keemo on July 8, 2011 at 6:27 PM

5 Out of 57 is pretty bad.

Chip on July 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM

I don’t have the same level of optimism that I read in a lot of posts here. Maybe my cynicism is just too high.

Obama is getting hit from the left repeatedly, but that doesn’t mean they won’t vote for him. It doesn’t even necessarily mean they’ll stay home. The far left knows that anyone nominated by the Republicans (dare I hope, by the Conservatives) will be worse for them than he is.

In the same vein, 2nd Amendment voters will never vote for a Democrat in a national election no matter who the Republican is. The Republican therefore, can be as squishy on gun rights as they want to be, safe in the knowledge that it likely won’t cost him anything.

The liberals hitting Obama from the left are not going to vote against him directly or indirectly. If he loses, their entire worldview will have been completely, publicly and irretrievably destroyed.

Washington Nearsider on July 8, 2011 at 6:39 PM

No way Obama wins North Carolina – in response to another post. The Dem gov has an approval rating in the 30s, and the Repubs had a great 2010 cycle.

johnboy on July 8, 2011 at 6:42 PM

If you give people a choice between Megadeth and some other form of music, and you DON’T want them to choose Megadeth, then you don’t give them a choice between Megadeth and Led Zeppelin. You give them a choice between Megadeth and Vivaldi, so that they can make an extremely clear choice.

I’d rather make socially liberal/fiscally conservative urban independents choose between Obama and Bachmann or Palin, then make them choose between Obama and Romney. Not only because Bachmann and Palin will energize the conservataive base, but because I’d love to see all these people who laugh along with Leibowitz and Olbermann about what idiots Bachmann and Palin are, yet think Obama is doing a terrible job, be forced to make that choice.

ardenenoch on July 8, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Obama got a lot of luke-warm votes from Hillary people in places like WB-Scranton and Erie. It’s not going to happen again. And campaign in Pittsburgh Republicans. Toomey netted more votes in Lancaster County than Sestak was able to take out of Allegheny (Pittsburgh). Pittsburgh is not at all what it used to be for Democrats, and it’ll be necessary to keep the strong conservative trend in W-PA going.

It’s going to be a close one.

forest on July 8, 2011 at 6:45 PM

Of course we could nominate Palin and guarantee PA goes Obama.

rickyricardo on July 8, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Who is this “we” you posted about? Liberal trolls do not count in GOP primaries.
Silly rabbit, GOP primaries are for Conservatives, not trolls.

IowaWoman on July 8, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Could Obama lose Pennsylvania in 2012?

Absolutely, so long as the GOP nominates Mitt Romney. You’re all kidding yourselves if you think Bachmann or Palin can win there.

ernesto on July 8, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Just wait until our electricity prices “necessarily skyrocket” and the coal industry goes to hell. MAYBE then PA will wake up and smell the roses.

Oink on July 8, 2011 at 6:08 PM

And don’t forget the damage that ObaMao’s EPA is doing to damage the Marcellus Shale boost to PA economy.

PA’s electricity prices shot up in January when the PUC lifted the cap on pricing. Imagine how much more it will go up with the attacks on coal-fired plants.

Sarah Palin or Rick Perry could make a convincing argument to PA voters on the topic of energy alone.

onlineanalyst on July 8, 2011 at 6:49 PM

The only way he wins is if the Republicans nominate Palin. Sorry, Palinites, thems just the facts. It’s not fair that she’s perceived as an idiot, but politics isn’t fair, and it’s the gospel around here. That’s the game we play. They can’t do it to everyone. If she won, it would have to be in a 45 state landslide that would render PA irrelevant.

HitNRun on July 8, 2011 at 6:23 PM

How would Perry play in PA?

Interested in your thoughts.

Cody1991 on July 8, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Nominating a RINO is what will screw this up for us. Why have a Dem-Lite when you can mainline the real thing?

trigon on July 8, 2011 at 6:52 PM

How would Perry play in PA?

Interested in your thoughts.

Cody1991 on July 8, 2011 at 6:51 PM

I think he’d do great in the “T” and greater Pittsburgh. But some of the indies and elite RINOs in the Philly burbs might not dig him so much, but they’d hate him less than Palin because he’s a man.

forest on July 8, 2011 at 6:55 PM

i live outside philly and will do everything i can to get rid of obama

hopefully history will say why did this happen?

phillypolitics on July 8, 2011 at 6:55 PM

What’s wrong with Pennsylvania, so they asked Obozo after he lost the PA primary to Shrillary. He’ll be asked that again in 2012, because I can’t think of one person I know, even the Dems, who will vote for him. Most of them have been laid off a time or two during the last 3 years.

Feh. That’s what’s wrong, Barry.

Philly on July 8, 2011 at 6:57 PM

The Dems will have Obama and Junior Casey at the top of their ticket. Good grief.

Junior is an idiot who has done nothing but run for office on Daddy’s name. He has ticked off the PA pro-life movement because of his Obamacare and PP votes. Junior could lose some socially conservative Dems and take Obama down with him.

Wethal on July 8, 2011 at 7:04 PM

PA has closed primaries, and Independents cannot vote in them. Of course, voters can re-register their affiliation to vote in primaries, so much of the speculation is in the air.

I still think that this election will be centered on energy and job creation through the push to cut the job-killing regulations and corporate taxes. The Republicans have several strong candidates running to push these issues, but none stronger than Palin or Perry.

onlineanalyst on July 8, 2011 at 7:05 PM

5 Out of 57 is pretty bad.

Chip on July 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM

LOL…

Keemo on July 8, 2011 at 7:12 PM

I think if Palin was getting in she would have entered the game by now.

Keemo on July 8, 2011 at 7:13 PM

it will have to be by at least 5 percent to overcome the Philly vote counting rules

r keller on July 8, 2011 at 7:13 PM

I think he’d do great in the “T” and greater Pittsburgh. But some of the indies and elite RINOs in the Philly burbs might not dig him so much, but they’d hate him less than Palin because he’s a man.

forest on July 8, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Texas and PA have energy industries in common although different. That’s why I thought PA voters might like him. Also, he’s a former Democrat. I’m thinking he might appeal to WVA as well.

Cody1991 on July 8, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Hold the line on the debt ceiling and force the federal government to start cutting back on spending, which will mean on personnel and things in NoVA will change.

The R’s were sent to DC with one very simple message: stop the spending.

That will change the tone and tenor of the next election against the D’s and Odipstick.

ajacksonian on July 8, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Also for consideration: Can Obama collapse the economy, send us into chaos and destroy America by 2012?

darwin on July 8, 2011 at 5:44 PM

I wouldn’t bet against it. He’s already whipped through his agenda faster than I would have ever thought possible when he took office.

silvernana on July 8, 2011 at 7:28 PM

I can’t believe that Obama’s polls aren’t skewed by, um, urban voters who are unlikely to turn out in the same numbers.

johnboy on July 8, 2011 at 7:30 PM

johnboy on July 8, 2011 at 7:30 PM

We still have suburban idiots saying they will vote for the bozo in this neck of the woods…but they aren’t the loud and proud bozos they were in ’08. They are getting to be soft and timid and looking over their shoulders in the way of support.

ajacksonian on July 8, 2011 at 7:35 PM

well this bitter clinger is going to make certain of it

Aggie95 on July 8, 2011 at 7:38 PM

I think if Palin was getting in she would have entered the game by now.

Keemo on July 8, 2011 at 7:13 PM

That would be correct…if she were playing by the rules set up by the very people who don’t want her anywhere near the race. Since she refuses to play by their rules, it’s anyone’s guess when she’ll get in.

Kafir on July 8, 2011 at 7:49 PM

A billion dollars will buy a lot of mud to throw.

jnelchef on July 8, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Obama got a lot of luke-warm votes from Hillary people in places like WB-Scranton and Erie. It’s not going to happen again. And campaign in Pittsburgh Republicans. Toomey netted more votes in Lancaster County than Sestak was able to take out of Allegheny (Pittsburgh). Pittsburgh is not at all what it used to be for Democrats, and it’ll be necessary to keep the strong conservative trend in W-PA going.

It’s going to be a close one.

forest on July 8, 2011 at 6:45 PM

This!

The GOP needs to get over its fear of urban areas. Lifelong blue collar Dems in Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Saint Louis, Cincinnati, Saint Paul, Toledo, etc are ripe for the picking. I’m not saying they need to win the cities, but cutting into Obama’s margin 5% or so in cities could allow us to squeak out a win in places like Pittsburgh and Wisconsin.

Republicans in the rust belt really need to step up their push in blue collar cities, and fast while Obama is still available as a foil.

Nelsen on July 8, 2011 at 9:05 PM

We still have suburban idiots saying they will vote for the bozo in this neck of the woods…but they aren’t the loud and proud bozos they were in ’08. They are getting to be soft and timid and looking over their shoulders in the way of support.

ajacksonian on July 8, 2011 at 7:35 PM

I sure haven’t met any in Bucks County. But I talk to people every day who say they will crawl over broken glass to vote this imbecile out in 2012.

rockmom on July 8, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Does he really need Pennsylvania to win? Polls say he’ll win Texas easily…/sarc/

Kevin71 on July 9, 2011 at 3:12 AM

Could Obama lose Pennsylvania in 2012? Sure he will….right after he loses California and New York. In other words, not a chance in hell.

xblade on July 9, 2011 at 5:15 AM

The real question here is what’s up with the 10% of Republicans there who approve of Obama?

Jay Mac on July 9, 2011 at 5:33 AM

I have long said this could happen. The Dems in PA more resemble Southern Dems than the kind of socialist clown Obama is. I think Palin and Bachmann could do well once they start campaigning there. They’ll have to overcome the gender bias hurdle but I think they’d do well among values voters. Palin in particular could do well there because of her positions on energy and the fact that she is cut from the same cloth as those blue collar, Catholic, union types someone mentioned above. Those are the sort of people I grew up with. They are strong patriots. Once they see Palin is one of them, and once she starts retail politicking and participating in debates and otherwise sharing her ideas unfiltered by the media, I think PAers will warm to her.

NoLeftTurn on July 9, 2011 at 9:15 AM

President Disaster can count on the customary 90+ percent in Philly & Pitt. Thanks to the entrenched Dem-machines and the “4-feet-under-the-curtain”-type election “integrity” they provide, or whatever the modern electronic equivalent to that might be. In other lesser-tier urbs (like here in coal country, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and such-like) there are so many dyed-in-the-wool, habitual, hereditary Democrats that he stands a fair chance if he hits the right buttons, those being mostly well-timed demagogueries of the mythical rich (Mythical here only because there aren’t any. Not the real thing: self-mades and job-creating entrepreneurs, etc. None. Closest thing are lawyers, doctors, and pols-on-the-take. And there are puh-lenty of the latter.) Because while about all of these habituals live quite conservatively, they share a hatred for “fat cats” that has been handed down from a couple generations. Plus, most puzzling is that, though many are practicing Catholics, they are blind to the severe offense to their supposed beliefs which is abortion, and continue to vote for its supporters. The child of one Mass-attending acquaintance did a (public) school report on Margaret Sanger sometime back, and Dad just stared at me blankly while I tried to explain to him why that might be a concern. Then I think the conversation turned to sports, since it usually does. And he and wife watch Good Morning America daily — shall we say, religiously — so while they attend their Catholic Mass on Sunday once a week, they are present at a Mass of the Left-Faith every weekday morning, a five-to-one advantage. They also “religiously” watch those crime-scene-law-and-order shows nightly and from what I’ve heard these shows pour lakes-full of high grade lefty sewage into the channels for consumption by susceptible viewers.

And that’s not even counting the professional takers which PA has entire cities-full of (viz Coatesville.) So in short, I won’t believe that PA goes red in ’12 until I see it. Especially if a cardboard cut-out like Romney gets the nomination. The Ds will carper bomb the Commonwealth with ad money and there aren’t nearly enough engaged people in the hinterlands to make up for the combination of institutionalized vote-theft and mind control that goes on in the urbs and suburbs.

“I could go on all day.” – Larry the Cable Guy

curved space on July 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM

The real question here is what’s up with the 10% of Republicans there who approve of Obama?

Jay Mac on July 9, 2011 at 5:33 AM

I think that’s called “screwing with the pollsters”.

SKYFOX on July 9, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Some Hillary Democrats are way out ahead of you; the voted for McCain/Palin in ’08; since then, they’ve just become more disgusted with Obama, so YES THEY CAN vote Republican in ’12–easily.

But that requires that the GOP not select someone like Michelle Bachmann to be their candidate, folks. So, beware. This election is the Republican Party’s to lose. I hope they won’t screw the pooch; but I’m not confident yet.

If the GOP picks a wingnut evangelical zealot, count on PA to go Obama.

mountainaires on July 10, 2011 at 5:50 AM