Carney: Yeah, we don’t think Americans care about GDP, jobless numbers

posted at 2:40 pm on July 8, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

David Plouffe can consider his job safe for now.  After getting roundly criticized for suggesting that the unemployment rate and GDP figures didn’t matter much to ordinary Americans, I wondered whether anyone in the White House press corps would ask the Obama administration to support or repudiate Plouffe, especially after Mitt Romney suggested that Obama fire Plouffe to give him better insight into what those numbers mean.  Jake Tapper, as usual, rises to the occasion:

TAPPER:  OK.  And lastly, comments by Senior Adviser David Plouffe were criticized today.  Earlier this week, he said, quote, “The average American does not view the economy through the prism of GDP or unemployment rates or even monthly jobs numbers.  People won’t vote based on the unemployment rate, they’re going to vote based on how do I feel about my own situation:  Do I believe the president makes decisions based on me and my family?”

And Republican front runner Mitt Romney said that those comments were — he suggested they were out of touch, and he said that if Plouffe worked for him, he would fire him.

CARNEY:  Well, I understand that we’re engaged in the – or rather, the Republicans are engaged in a primary campaign, trying to get some media attention.  I don’t know where, you know, the voters that some other folks might be talking to — but — or — but most people do not sit around their kitchen table and analyze GDP and unemployment numbers.  They talk about how they feel their own economic situation is.  And they measure it by whether they have a job, whether they have job security; whether their house – whether they’re meeting their house payment, whether their mortgage is underwater; whether they have the money to pay for their children’s education or they don’t; whether they’re dealing with a sick parent and can afford that, or whether they can’t.

They do not sit around analyzing The Wall Street Journal or other — or Bloomberg to look at the — you know, analyze the numbers.  Now, maybe some folks do, but not most Americans.  I think that’s the point David Plouffe was making; that’s the point the president was making just moments ago in his statement in the Rose Garden.

Well, more of them can’t do any of those things Carney lists than at the beginning of his term.  That is what those numbers demonstrate.  Even by that measure, Obama’s failing.

But quite obviously, those numbers do mean something significant to most Americans, and the last Democratic President to deliver stagnation and malaise discovered that a little too late.  Jimmy Carter first used the “misery index” as an argument against Gerald Ford, which combined the unemployment rate with prevailing interest rates.  Unfortunately for Carter, he made the misery index a lot worse in four years, and people paid attention to that when Ronald Reagan used the point to hammer Carter’s economic policies.

Liz Mair argued the counterfactual with me on Twitter:

Honestly not sure what else they could say. “No, people totally care but they’re going to vote for me anyway”?  And/or “No, people’s sisters are still living in the basement and Home Depot is like a ghost town, but we’ll win”?

Not exactly, but one would expect them to come up with an answer that had some relation to the real world.  Very obviously, people do pay attention to these numbers, especially investors, business executives, and other job creators.  Ordinary people understand that those numbers play a big part in investment and expansion decisions, so they do take an interest in them.  A proper argument would have acknowledged this and argued why the latest numbers show signs of hope, or that these numbers are just a hiccup in the overall recovery.

Whether people agree with those arguments is almost immaterial; it at least shows that the White House is tethered to reality.  Arguing that they don’t matter at all is absurd — and it demonstrates a complete intellectual bankruptcy in dealing with the economy and joblessness.  They really don’t have a Plan B, and now they want everyone to believe that it doesn’t matter.

Update: Great news, says the White House.  They can get unemployment down to 8.2% … by November 2012:

“The president has taken responsibility that we have to do everything we can,” Goolsbee said when asked if the White House will take the blame for Friday’s poor jobs report. “It is his number-one priority. We wake up every day — what can we do to get the growth rate higher?”

Goolsbee said “hundreds of thousands of jobs if not millions” could be created if a payroll tax cut is extended, trade deals are passed, an infrastructure bank is created, a patent reform bill is approved and a deficit deal is reached. He also said that if those things happen, the unemployment rate would be 8.2 percent by the fourth quarter of 2012.

You mean they now want to argue that they can get the jobless rate down to almost the level that they promised it wouldn’t exceed if we just let them spend more money?

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What a bunch of arrogant d@#ks.

scalleywag on July 8, 2011 at 4:22 PM

. “It is his number-one priority. We wake up every day — what can we do to get the growth rate higher?”

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Riiiiight.

scalleywag on July 8, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Update: Great news, says the White House. They can get unemployment down to 8.2% … by November 2012:

Oh yeah?

How?

With all of that spectacular economic growth that we’re STILL WAITING ON?

Vyce on July 8, 2011 at 4:23 PM

CARNEY: Well, I understand that we’re engaged in the – or rather, the Republicans are engaged in a primary campaign, trying to get some media attention.

Doctor Freud, your slip is showing.

gekkobear on July 8, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Like so many other things about this President and his party, this sounds like a case of projection. Since they don’t sit around their kitchen tables (or the Oval Office) thinking/talking/worrying about GDP and unemployment figures, they assume that nobody cares about them. In about 17 months those nasty statistics will become much more important to them. Much more personal.

Harrell on July 8, 2011 at 4:29 PM

The want to create a new bank funded by cash from the federal government. This bank would then be able to loan money, leveraged at a 20 to 1 ratio, to local government entities. These entities would then use that money for roads and bridges and such.
Freddy on July 8, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Wow, just like Social Security except with roads and bridges.

What could go wrong???

BigWyo on July 8, 2011 at 4:30 PM

If Americans don’t care, why did Obama comment on the numbers?

lorien1973 on July 8, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Millions of jobs would be created overnight if we were allowed to harvest our own energy sources, millions.

Bishop on July 8, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Do you hear that sound, Jay Carney? Listen. Listne carefully. Do you hear that?

That’s the sound of rising water, Jay. The boat you’re on is slowly, steadily, going down.

Make sure you have your life preserver.

JohnGalt23 on July 8, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Carney’s statement is amazingly stupid and intelligence insulting. What he might really mean is that the Obama administration doesn’t really care. I think the Obama administration cares more about the sensitivity of Muslim militants:

Guantanamo detainees succeeded in convincing prison officials to no longer raise the American flag anywhere they could see it. Each morning on every U.S. military base around the world, the American flag is raised to a bugle. But in the interests of not offending the detainees, it was stopped at Guantanamo.

http://tinyurl.com/3hxjjl2

Chessplayer on July 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM

He may be right. If most people did “sit around their kitchen table and analyze GDP and unemployment numbers”, we’d have a lot more Republicans.

sandberg on July 8, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Carney’s statement is amazingly stupid and intelligence insulting.

Chessplayer on July 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM

“But he got a B.A. in Russian and Eastern European Studies from Yale University!”

And then he was hired as a “journalist” right out of college.

Del Dolemonte on July 8, 2011 at 5:04 PM

These mindless twits are the reason the country is going down the tubes. 2012 can’t come soon enough. I wonder how badly the WH staff will trash the WH?

ultracon on July 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM

This just shows that to Dems they really do just see politics as a game. They don’t actually care that behind the NUMBERS, are PEOPLE. People who are out of work, looking at possibly not retiring, not having children, feeling the effects of living on their bare minimums.

But then, WHY would Dems care?? There’s plenty of government jobs their connections will allow them to get, once out of Office. Its not like THEY are facing the same problems.

KMC1 on July 8, 2011 at 5:08 PM

In other words, Carney is saying that Americans are not smart enough to understand how badly the administration is screwing them. Given the O’s so-called approval rating, he may have a point.

n0doz on July 8, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Goolsbee said “hundreds of thousands of jobs if not millions” could be created if a payroll tax cut is extended, trade deals are passed, an infrastructure bank is created, a patent reform bill is approved and a deficit deal is reached. He also said that if those things happen, the unemployment rate would be 8.2 percent by the fourth quarter of 2012.

I want some of that THC he is smoking. It must be really good to keep him in a reality totally separate from the real world.

chemman on July 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM

I didn’t think it was possible for there to be a more clueless Obama spokesman than Gibbsy, but I was wrong.

txmomof6 on July 8, 2011 at 5:13 PM

“But he got a B.A. in Russian and Eastern European Studies from Yale University!”

Del Dolemonte on July 8, 2011 at 5:04 PM

He could have gotten language training and Eastern European studies via the military and it wouldn’t have cost him/us the arm and a leg and would have been better educated to boot.
Ivy League schools are all bucks with no bang.

chemman on July 8, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Goolsbee said “hundreds of thousands of jobs if not millions” could be created if a payroll tax cut is extended, trade deals are passed, an infrastructure bank is created, a patent reform bill is approved and a deficit deal is reached.

It’s just that easy….

This and a Sham Wow will clean up all those messy unemployment numbers that Republicans are always going on about.

Lily on July 8, 2011 at 5:15 PM

I would rather them just say ‘Let them eat cake.’ At least that would be a market driven decision.

JonPrichard on July 8, 2011 at 5:22 PM

bw222 on July 8, 2011 at 2:51 PM

So fine – if Romney is the nominee then get 4 more years of the worst pres in history. We won’t even have a country that we can pass down to our children. Good luck with that!
I still want Rubio/West! But I won’t be able to vote for them for a few years yet. In the mean time I’ll vote for whomever comes thru the primaries.

Bambi on July 8, 2011 at 5:31 PM

CARNEY: Well, I understand that we’re engaged in the – or rather, the Republicans are engaged in a primary campaign, trying to get some media attention…

The Dems see everything in terms of campaigning and building or maintaining their power. They never address how their policies are good for the nation’s productivity, growth, and freedom. They see people as pawns in the collective, wholly dependent on the State.

I am in the midst of reading a discarded library copy of Ayn Rand’s We the Living. The post-revolutionary world in the Soviet Union that she describes is chillingly like the “Utopia” that ObaMao is trying to engineer with his henchmen in high places.

onlineanalyst on July 8, 2011 at 5:34 PM

“It is his number-one priority. We wake up every day — what can we do to get the growth rate higher?”

Bullcrap. If that were true then they would take the government boot off the private sector’s throat. Instead they keep pushing harder and then blame the victims. The only reasonable conclusion is that the Obamunists are deliberately trying to weaken and shrink the U.S. economy. Either that or they’re the most learning disabled bunch of boobs on the planet. Actually it’s both.

RadClown on July 8, 2011 at 5:34 PM

No video describes the Obama years Luke this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It says it all.

PappyD61 on July 8, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Sideshow Carney the Barker is just doing his job, lying to the masses so the Sideshow cashiers can collect the money and push them into to the tent before they know they have been ripped off. Carney’s name fits as well as the recently resigned congressman Dick…er…whiner…er…ah! wiener.

IowaWoman on July 8, 2011 at 5:43 PM

You mean they now want to argue that they can get the jobless rate down to almost the level that they promised it wouldn’t exceed if we just let them spend more money?

Yep. Millions and millions of new GOVERNMENT jobs.

Hell, you didn’t think they were talking about the PRIVATE sector, did you?

GarandFan on July 8, 2011 at 6:29 PM

“It is his number-one priority. We wake up every day”

Alas.

Naturally Curly on July 8, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Elitist Snobs. All of them.

mimi1220 on July 8, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Poor poor Jaye – he keeps arguing over which reserved deck chair on the Titanic belongs to him. Well guess what little man – the earthquake already happened – get ready for the big wave.

IlonaE on July 8, 2011 at 9:25 PM

A patent reform bill? Really?

rockmom on July 8, 2011 at 10:08 PM

“Do I believe the president makes decisions based on me and my family?”

Who’d-a-thunk that liberals are, at heart, libertarians?

unclesmrgol on July 8, 2011 at 11:33 PM

Checked the stimulus chart… we’re at 6.5%.

What the problem?

mankai on July 9, 2011 at 1:00 AM

Goolsbee is a moron, and UC should strip his tenure and send him packing. (I can dream, can’t I)?

Obama has NEVER “taken responsibility” for anything in his entire worthless life. He’s been saying he is since early on: jobs have been his “top priority” and “the first thing I think of in the morning and the last thing I think of at night” and several other assertions of “this time I’m serious!” along the way. But every single act, every single policy, every single EO and regulation from his Regime has destroyed job creation – EXCEPT for the union jobs he covered at the expense of honest stock and bondholders and non-union pensioners at the auto companies.

He’s a lying, incompetent buffoon. We need to say it straight out without apology or genuflection, over and over, starting now and not stopping until the moron is driven from office.

Adjoran on July 9, 2011 at 2:37 AM

There is nothing they can do now to restore confidence. We will continue to slide backwards until we get a new President.

It is going to be a long long year and a half of suffering fools.

petunia on July 9, 2011 at 4:50 AM

Adjoran you are absolutely correct about the lying. The other rather distressing thing about Obama is that he seems to feel if he has “already addressed that matter” – it’s over and done. He can’t problem solve at all. He speaks about it and then it’s not to be pursued or brought up again. If you look at the details of his life – he’s really never finished anything by working on it. He rode the Affirmative Action train longer than any other person in this country. In fact, he’s still on it. ACCOUNTABILITY does not seem to be in his repertoire.

This might make for an interesting play or movie – but the reality is he continues to try to push this country down not just a drain but a drain with the garbage disposal turned ON.

IlonaE on July 9, 2011 at 7:54 AM

So the fact that I pay attention to this numbers makes me an extraordinary person?

How very…gratifying.

disa on July 9, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Sorry, these numbers. Need more caffeine.

disa on July 9, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Translation = “I don’t care. Obama is Awesome”

MikeA on July 9, 2011 at 9:19 AM

I believe most of the American’s do understand the numbers regarding GDP, unemployment, etc. But, if you don’t, I think that American still understands how bad this economy is.
The basics of GDP is consumption, investment, goverment spending, export vs import. Even if you don’t know that, most of the households have experienced less private consumption either from less income in the house due to unemployment or holding on to our pocketbooks, less return on investment or ability not to contribute to your investments, increased government spending, and more jobs and companies headed overseas meaning less exporting done by USA.
I just shake my head when they make statements like that. Whether you watch and analyze the numbers or your are the “Average Joe” (as they are trying to categorize Americans), we all come to the same conclusion, this economy is in the toilet and it isn’t getting any better.

LadyGator88 on July 9, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Democratic slogan for next year: “It’s not the economy, stupid!”

tbrosz on July 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM

“David Plouffe can consider his job safe for now.” Not only now, but unfortunately probably at least for the next five and a half years. Why doesn’t anyone talk about why he can say this, and average voting Americans not only agree with him but are actually socialists and communists who want what Obama has wrought. Plouffe speaks the truth, while RINO’s in fear of the threats of the Demon crats will both cave in to tax raises, and let the chief RINO in waiting, Romney, run for office. Wake up America! It is from within that we are being destroyed.

aztrav on July 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM

I have been gainfully employed with the same company for 12 years thankfully, however I have been unemployed looking for work several times in my life. It is a sinking feeling wondering how you are going to provide for your family. People do sit around talking and thinking about these numbers. At work several of us follow the financial news, check Bloomberg, Read WSJ online. I work for Toyota in America nad this bad economy has affected us too. People are a lot smarter than Carney gives thenm credit. All you commenting on here I am sure are some of the most well informed people in the nation or you wouldn’t be on here. Get Obama out of here, and get a real Leader in who has worked in the world.

Kevin in Southern Illinois on July 9, 2011 at 6:07 PM

They can get unemployment down to 8.2% … by November 2012:

More fake data to the rescue!

They havent got anything else. Failbama just keeps talking about taxes and so does his clown posse.

The will not stop poisoning the private sector.

dogsoldier on July 9, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Carny, Plouffe, all of them – they’re absolutely certain that most of us are too stupid to be able to tie our shoelaces, let alone read the Wall Street Journal or something.

They are absolutely certain of this.

Alana on July 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM

Winning!

Just like Charlie.

notalemon on July 9, 2011 at 11:17 PM

well…. stick it to China by making new factories over here, hire up OUR people, who then earn, buy and spend, and China can figure out what to do witihi THEIR unemplyed people instead of us!!!

johnnyU on July 11, 2011 at 1:06 PM

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