Ninth Circuit: “Don’t ask, don’t tell” must end immediately

posted at 6:00 pm on July 6, 2011 by Allahpundit

The court’s order runs only two pages so take 30 seconds to read it. Remember last fall when a California district court ruled that DADT was unconstitutional? The Ninth Circuit issued a stay at the time postponing enforcement of the ruling until the appeal, but two things happened in the interim: Congress voted to repeal DADT in December and the White House decided in February that it won’t enforce DOMA anymore. Hence today’s lifting of the stay. If the executive and legislature are moving towards equal treatment for gays, the court figured, then what’s the argument for upholding the stay?

In a brief two-page order, a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy must be lifted now that the Obama administration has concluded it’s unconstitutional to treat gay Americans differently under the law.

The ruling was the latest legal development in the effort by gay rights supporters to end the policy. It came in response to a motion brought by Log Cabin Republicans, a group for gay GOP members, which last year persuaded a lower court judge to declare the ban unconstitutional…

Dan Woods, the lawyer representing Log Cabin Republicans, said that unless the administration appeals the order to the U.S. Supreme Court, “don’t ask, don’t tell is over.”

Of note: The three-judge panel, which was unanimous, included Reagan appointee and conservative judicial rock star Alex Kozinski. The service branches have been instructing troops on the repeal of DADT for six months and a Pentagon spokesman says they’re just weeks away from certifying that it won’t affect military readiness, so from a practical standpoint the ruling’s basically irrelevant. Legally, though, it’s interesting to see the court give weight to the White House’s theory that DOMA is unconstitutional because laws targeting gays deserve “heightened scrutiny” under the Equal Protection Clause. They’re not ruling on the merits of that argument here, merely noting it as part of the balance of equities in deciding whether it’s time to lift the stay, but if you’re thinking ahead to a potential Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage, the WH DOMA argument is potentially more important to gay rights activists than congressional repeal of DADT is. And now, thanks to this, it’s in the mix of considerations at the appellate level. Don’t forget either that Anthony Kennedy, in his most famous opinion on gay rights, spent time looking at what other contemporary legal authorities — from law professors to state courts to European courts — thought of anti-sodomy laws. If he’s going to do something bold, he’ll want lots of political cover for it, and the White House’s DOMA opinion and Congress’s DADT repeal sets him up perfectly. Just a matter of time.

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Deliver us from these people.

greggriffith on July 6, 2011 at 6:04 PM

So what’s the hurry???

Court trying to give itself some relevance?

BTW, the chain of command doesn’t include the 9nth circus…

b1jetmech on July 6, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Up next! Imprisoning priests for not performing gay marriages.

Just a matter of time…

Skywise on July 6, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Reap the whirlwind….

rightwingyahooo on July 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Sweeet! Now comes the Rainbow Division, pink submarines, and basic instruction on sodomy for the armed services.

BobMbx on July 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Kozinski is a libertarian rockstar; he’s not a conservative.

Nessuno on July 6, 2011 at 6:07 PM

But remember it was always about letting gays serve.

Nothing else.

No siree…

catmman on July 6, 2011 at 6:07 PM

DADT

DOMA

Gay history

I’m curious what the next item to come from the gay lobby will be.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Why didn’t the Founders foresee hacktivist left wing judges making laws instead of the legislator?

jawkneemusic on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

What’s long, Hard and full of Seaman?

A submarine

b1jetmech on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Forcing straights into gay relationships?

jawkneemusic on July 6, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Quick, hurry, pass this b!tch now!!! We need us some stanky, hairy man-ass stat!!!

Alden Pyle on July 6, 2011 at 6:10 PM

“equal protection clause” was intended for former slaves.

Not a “free for all” for liberal judges who have gone wild!

b1jetmech on July 6, 2011 at 6:11 PM

I’m curious what the next item to come from the gay lobby will be.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

A full throttle attack on the churches, and a state mandated gay lobby veto power over theological instruction they dislike.

In other words, bye bye first amendment….

rightwingyahooo on July 6, 2011 at 6:12 PM

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

*shudder*

cmsinaz on July 6, 2011 at 6:13 PM

I’m curious what the next item to come from the gay lobby will be.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Indoctrinating your children into the homosexual deathstyle.

Also interesting: despite forcing through the DADT repeal in the dead of night during a lame duck session, folks who enlisted under the old rules have to serve out their terms.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:14 PM

I’m curious what the next item to come from the gay lobby will be.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

GayTv?

“Live, from New York…it’s Sodomy Night!”

BobMbx on July 6, 2011 at 6:16 PM

I wonder if blacks are upset that gays want desperately to compare themselves to being black. Totally the same thing, right?

TheBlueSite on July 6, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Forcing straights into gay relationships?

jawkneemusic on July 6, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Nah, I’m thinking in 4 or 5 years they’ll start challenging religious institutions.

I would like to clarify that by “they” I’m referring to the far left, not gays in general.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:16 PM

The gay lobby has pulled a nice 180 flea flicker bait and switch whatever you want to call it on America:

First, its “states can do whatever they like with gay marriage” (except ban it of course, that is not allowed) but we swear we’re not trying to force it on anyone.

Now, it will be “All states must adhere to the same standard” and therefore be forced to recognize gay marriage from states that approve it.

Soon it will be “Churches may not teach their congregants that homosexuality is a sin”… and then come the penalties for speaking out…..

Yep, all downhill from here….

You know what we really, REALLY need right now? Some 20 million new illegal immigrant citizens to really set this country up right.

Yeah.

rightwingyahooo on July 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals must end immediately.

Really Right on July 6, 2011 at 6:18 PM

When is some court going to rule that the Libyan war must end immediately.

It seems to be the only way laws are made now is when a court rules on them as every law is challenged in some court. Congress spends money so that people vote on them, President auto pen signs them and The Courts overturn those and makes new rules that have the effect of laws but are not laws.

tjexcite on July 6, 2011 at 6:19 PM

rightwingyahooo on July 6, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Yeah, I believe one of the left’s goals is the eventual eradication of religion.

You can literally feel their hatred for Judaism and Christianity.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Court is setting precedence they can shut such things down immediately. This is just a start.

michaelo on July 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Gay marriage will be legal, its just a matter of how many more years it will take.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Where are the Hotair proponents of this? Why haven’t they post anything in support of this?

Oh wait…they’re at the recruiters station right now.

b1jetmech on July 6, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Gay marriage will be legal, its just a matter of how many more years it will take.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:22 PM

It is legal in 6 states. Where have you been? BTW, are married gays happy and fulfilled now they are married?

Or do they have their sights set on opponents such as churches, business and anyone else who doesn’t agree?

b1jetmech on July 6, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Nah, I’m thinking in 4 or 5 years they’ll start challenging religious institutions.

I would like to clarify that by “they” I’m referring to the far left, not gays in general.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Indeed. I was just trying to be facetious. The anti-religious left is on the rise and are using “gay rights” to push their bigotry.

jawkneemusic on July 6, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Gay marriage will be legal, its just a matter of how many more years it will take.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:22 PM

I gotta tell ya, I’ve had a thing for my chair for a long time. It’s very supportive, strong, and we’ve grown together, like a butt and cushion hand and glove.

“I do”.

I just can’t imagine what we’ll call the children, though. Stool? Step? I dunno.

BobMbx on July 6, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Gay marriage will be legal, its just a matter of how many more years it will take.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:22 PM

29 states forbid homosexual marriage via their constitutions. Let the federal government try to impose it over that, and they’ll learn what the 10th amendment is all about.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Gay marriage will be legal, its just a matter of how many more years it will take.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:22 PM

And so my question … what’s next? Has any group stopped when they received what they were after?

The answer is no.

Every single victim group created in the last 4o years is still bytching about something. It never ends because it’s not about the group or equal rights.

- Minorities
- Women
- Gays
- Environmental nuts
- Illegals
- Animal rights nuts

It never stops.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:28 PM

I’ve never gotten a satisfactory answer to the question that if the military is going to force straight men to room, shower etc with gay men how the can justify not allowing straight men to room & shower with women? Because it makes the women uncomfortable? Because straight men are more forward or likely to rape than gay men?

29Victor on July 6, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Or do they have their sights set on opponents such as churches, business and anyone else who doesn’t agree?

b1jetmech on July 6, 2011 at 6:25 PM

It was never about marriage at all, it is a steppingstone to the real enemy they hate.

Well, I’m glad at least a few people seem to get this.

The standard R party voter is just as clueless on this, as they are on immigration.

“Baby harp seal Republicans, lying in the snow all cute and cuddly, waiting to get clubbed and skinned by the left…..”

rightwingyahooo on July 6, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Everything DADT related articles!
====================================

‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’
**************************

Republican amendment unlikely to delay DADT repeal
GAO: Gay ban cost military $53,000 per dismissal
‘DADT’ could be history by end of summer, Pentagon says
Gates orders DOD to accelerate ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ repeal
Tears and cheers as Obama signs historic DADT repeal
After historic vote, focus shifts to implementing plan to let gays serve openly
Reactions to DADT repeal mixed among servicemembers
DADT repeal clears last major hurdle
With renewed optimism, DADT opponents prepare for Senate vote
Marine commandant concluded DADT repeal may risk lives
DADT repeal backers cling to slim hopes
‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ repeal effort dies in Senate
Opponents seize on combat troops’ concerns about DADT repeal
Working group: No separate facilities for gay and straight troops
Study reveals pockets of significant opposition
Reid promises vote on ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ in lame-duck session
House Democrats see their defense experts tossed aside
‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ is affirmed by appeals court
Pentagon elevates DADT discharge authority
Confusion surrounds flip-flop on military’s ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ law
‘DADT’ ruling gives White House a legal quandary
Administration opts to challenge federal court’s ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ ruling
(More………)

http://www.stripes.com/news/special-reports/don-t-ask-don-t-tel

canopfor on July 6, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Now, it will be “All states must adhere to the same standard” and therefore be forced to recognize gay marriage from states that approve it.

With this logic California MUST recognize my right to bear arms in a concealed fashion based on my permit from my home state. Something tells me the left wouldn’t want to apply the same logic in that instance. Gotta love these hypocrites.

jawkneemusic on July 6, 2011 at 6:29 PM

Will Bradley Mannings acts of treason and espionage be included in California’s Gay History week?

I didn’t realize Manning was gay until watching last night’s Frontline on PBS. No wonder the looney left is so anxious to defend his actions…if you’re gay, you can do no wrong, right?

DrW on July 6, 2011 at 6:29 PM

I really don’t have a problem with gays serving in the military, as long as they can be bound by the same rules of conduct as other soldiers. This means no special exceptions. Call me cynical, but I just won’t be surprised when the lawsuits come demanding that the enlisted be allowed to let their freak flags fly right next to their battalion flag or whatever if you know what I mean.

cynccook on July 6, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Do-Gooder Progressives controlling the
Little Brain,that is male!!(sarc).

canopfor on July 6, 2011 at 6:32 PM

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Forcing priests, per the power invested in them by the State, to perform gay marriage ceremonies.

That’s their next step.

apollyonbob on July 6, 2011 at 6:33 PM

cynccook on July 6, 2011 at 6:30 PM

No.

But they WILL cry discrimination, and demand (and will get) to be promoted over more qualified people. Then when they get to a high enough rank, they WILL cherrypick underlings who are homosexuals and fast track their careers.

Exactly what happened to the Catholic church, the playbook is already written.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM

29 states forbid homosexual marriage via their constitutions. Let the federal government try to impose it over that, and they’ll learn what the 10th amendment is all about.

State constitutions do not trump the full faith and credit clause. DOMA is not long for this world.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM

The military will be nonexistent in 10 years. Who’ll want to serve? Let’s be honest. This PC thuggery is destroying America.

madmonkphotog on July 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM

I really don’t have a problem with gays serving in the military, as long as they can be bound by the same rules of conduct as other soldiers.

Under DADT, gays were allowed to serve in the USmil, all over the place.

We don’t ask, they don’t tell. Sounds good to me.

Now, OPENLY gay can serve, and they can flaunt it all they want, and there’s not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Glad I’m not serving, I’ll confess….

rightwingyahooo on July 6, 2011 at 6:36 PM

State constitutions do not trump the full faith and credit clause. DOMA is not long for this world.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Then expect those states to leave the union.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:37 PM

What’s worse than a police state?

A gay police state.

rightwingyahooo on July 6, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Then expect those states to leave the union.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:37 PM

And when they go, I move there.

rightwingyahooo on July 6, 2011 at 6:38 PM

State constitutions do not trump the full faith and credit clause. DOMA is not long for this world.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM

So my state issued concealed carry should be respected in all other states?

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:39 PM

And when they go, I move there.

rightwingyahooo on July 6, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Better start packing, it’s inevitable at this point.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:39 PM

No.

But they WILL cry discrimination, and demand (and will get) to be promoted over more qualified people. Then when they get to a high enough rank, they WILL cherrypick underlings who are homosexuals and fast track their careers.

Exactly what happened to the Catholic church, the playbook is already written.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM

That reminds me of this: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,684669,00.html

cynccook on July 6, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Then expect those states to leave the union.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Can you give me a list of those states? Also maybe a restaurant and shopping guide for each?

cynccook on July 6, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Can you give me a list of those states?

cynccook on July 6, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Sure.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:45 PM

It will be interesting to see how many military careers will be ruined by not conforming to the PC diversity? Or if a serviceman is turned in for openly debating homosexuality?

Won’t be enough well trained servicemen serving to maintain our military. So it along with the rest of our civilization will be in the declined.

b1jetmech on July 6, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Reagan appointee and conservative judicial rock star Alex Kozinski.

Oh please…

ninjapirate on July 6, 2011 at 6:48 PM

I’m curious what the next item to come from the gay lobby will be.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

There’s no way Allah will leak it.

We’ll have to wait and see.

artist on July 6, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Sure.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:45 PM

LOL
That was fast. Actually we’ve had a state constitutional amendment here in Ohio for a number of years. It’s extremely restrictive. Looks like, as usual, the problems lie on the coasts.

cynccook on July 6, 2011 at 6:49 PM

DADT

DOMA

Gay history

I’m curious what the next item to come from the gay lobby will be.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Mark my words, you will be homophobic if you haven’t even tried gay sex.
In other words, you say you’re tolerant and or celebrate homosexuals but why haven’t you ever had a gay relationship? How do you know you don’t like it until you’ve tried it? Don’t be afraid. Some people say they don’t like strawberry sundaes too, but at least they’ve tried them. What are you afraid of? Are you a closet bigot?
If you really say your are tolerant, prove it and go out on a date with a homosexual! It’s just a date, maybe you’ll have a good time!

The stuff I have seen since my early childhood no one would have imagined. Don’t even try to tell me what I’ve stated here is just over the line and I’m being paranoid. This is going to happen to our youth. That is where this next phase is going to be targeted.

JellyToast on July 6, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Won’t be enough well trained servicemen serving to maintain our military.

b1jetmech on July 6, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Perversely, the reason there isn’t a huge outflow of critical servicepeople so far, is 0bama’s horrible economy.

If it ever improves, our military will be thrown into a crisis never before seen – which might require a reinstitution of the draft to fix.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:50 PM

So my state issued concealed carry should be respected in all other states?

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:39 PM

By my lights, yes it should.

Then expect those states to leave the union.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Thats just laughable. If the union is dissolved it will be due to a massive property taking, or to allow a debt jubilee, or to escape repressive taxation.

No state will leave the union over gay marriage.

Regardless of what happens to DOMA, more states will continue to legalize gay marriage. Its merely a function of time, and the passage of the older generation.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:51 PM

I’m curious what the next item to come from the gay lobby will be.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:08 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1j0Pjw5ye4&feature=fvst

cynccook on July 6, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Next up:

Gay military members in states not recognizing gay marriage file lawsuit for “equal protection” in order to receive dependent allotment checks, dependent housing, and dependent medical care.

Point to ignore: As a cop, we used to glove up when we knew we were giving first aid to someone we knew had AIDS. Will there be time to “glove up” on the battlefield?

Or is it politically incorrect to bring that up?

GarandFan on July 6, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Too bad we can’t divide the US into a Conservative States of America and a Liberal States of America. In 30 years we could compare the two countries.

Rose on July 6, 2011 at 6:54 PM

No state will leave the union over gay marriage.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:51 PM

You don’t know Texas, then.

Poke your head out of your blue state bubble, you’ll see people in the red states are ready to bolt, and it’s not just over gay marriage, it’s the whole progressive agenda.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Just export the liberals…I wouldn’t give up an inch our our land.

b1jetmech on July 6, 2011 at 6:58 PM

now that the Obama administration has concluded it’s unconstitutional to treat gay Americans differently under the law.

They weren’t — until the repeal of DADT.

Count to 10 on July 6, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Regardless of what happens to DOMA, more states will continue to legalize gay marriage. Its merely a function of time, and the passage of the older generation.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:51 PM

What a small, well funded, extremely vocal and in some cases violent group of people are demanding is a thousands year old tradition be redefined for them.

At first the argument gays put forth was having the same legal protections and “perks” as married couples. Not many people saw anything wrong with that.

As it turned out, that wasn’t the goal. It quickly became a cry of oppression. So now we have a thousands year old custom suddenly turned into a tool of oppression against gays.

So I’ll ask you again. What comes after this? Something will because this is not about equal rights.

darwin on July 6, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Thank goodness fisting instructions will no longer be confined exclusively to school-aged children!

Dion on July 6, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Just curious… Are military personnel now required to tell if asked?

Fallon on July 6, 2011 at 7:11 PM

29 states forbid homosexual marriage via their constitutions. Let the federal government try to impose it over that, and they’ll learn what the 10th amendment is all about.

Rebar on July 6, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Or the 2nd…

KSgop on July 6, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Regardless of what happens to DOMA, more states will continue to legalize gay marriage. Its merely a function of time, and the passage of the older generation.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:51 PM

With help from activist politicians and/or judges. If its indeed “the will of the people”, why not put it on the ballot?

RedRobin145 on July 6, 2011 at 7:19 PM

If he’s going to do something bold, he’ll want lots of political cover for it, and the White House’s DOMA opinion and Congress’s DADT repeal sets him up perfectly. Just a matter of time.

Inevitable right? It’s so nice to see your cool with this cynical manipulation of the laws and the system.

Rocks on July 6, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Regardless of what happens to DOMA, more states will continue to legalize gay marriage. Its merely a function of time, and the passage of the older generation.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Yeah, that’s what NORML was saying 30 years ago.

Rocks on July 6, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Since when does a circuit court have jurisdiction over the military?

Tuning Spork on July 6, 2011 at 8:16 PM

For what its worth, the military is already giving the briefings on the new policy.

Last month we had our first training on the repeal of DADT and what it would mean to front line soldiers and officers.

My soldiers had a lot of questions. The NCO tasked to teach the class didn’t have many good answers.

Let’s just say it really didn’t go very well.

Professor Blather on July 6, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Million of same sex attracted men clambering to join-up, get tough and get overseas and into combat!!!!!

Yah, right.

Hening on July 6, 2011 at 8:42 PM

I know California doesn’t want to secede, but can we force them to?

OhioCoastie on July 6, 2011 at 8:49 PM

I know California hasn’t tried to leave the Union, but can we force them to?

OhioCoastie on July 6, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Now, OPENLY gay can serve, and they can flaunt it all they want, and there’s not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Glad I’m not serving, I’ll confess….

rightwingyahooo on July 6, 2011 at 6:36 PM

I hear you. Since this was supposed to be about serving openly, will they have to prove their gayness? Will there be special awards like Sodomist First Class or Basic Fellator?

Sadly, I can imagine what the uniform badges will look like.

TugboatPhil on July 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM

This poor sick Republic is going down the sewer at warp speed. let them do whatever they desire . . . Who gives a rat’s backside anymore?

rplat on July 6, 2011 at 9:25 PM

How long until Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, or [fill in your favorite Muslim country name here] says ‘we dont want your gay soldiers in our country?’

The courts are simply unqualified to consider what a unilateral decision regarding the military might entail.

Freddy on July 6, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Just to remind everyone.(Last time, I promise.)The United States Military default position on personal relationships is covered by the UMCJ. Only Congress can change it. DADT gave a lot of flex to the service Branch’s. Now it is a return to pre 1990′s rules. More cases into the military court system, more bad outcomes for those sucked into it. The gay groups have no idea what they unleashed. There are no winners here.

flackcatcher on July 6, 2011 at 10:37 PM

I been dealing with this(among with other more pressing issues) for months now. No one, and I mean NO ONE has been able to give me a answer on the questions that DADT covered.NCA seems to have put their hands over their ears on this one.(i can’t hear you. I CAN’T HEAR YOU.) National Command Authority:IE POTUS, Sec of Defense etc.

flackcatcher on July 6, 2011 at 10:55 PM

The US is pushing gay rights in Pakistan! On july 4th there was a ‘Celebration’ of Gay Rights at our Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan as reported here:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/smart-power-pakistani-radicals-call-for-holy-war-after-team-obama-holds-gay-rights-events-at-embassy/

These people are relentless.

francesca on July 6, 2011 at 11:00 PM

Is there a religious exemption, as with New York’s “gay marriage” bill?

profitsbeard on July 7, 2011 at 12:24 AM

Can bisexuals sleep in either barracks?

profitsbeard on July 7, 2011 at 12:31 AM

I have a simple question for everyone celebrating homosexuals being allowed to serve openly in the military.

OhioCoastie on July 7, 2011 at 12:49 AM

I’m delighted that DADT is in the process of going away, but I want to address what I see as the real issue here and it is something we can all agree on.

Regardless of any question of the legitimacy of discriminating against a category of people, I don’t see the point of a court issuing an order when there is a process enacted by a legislature to quickly end the point in contention. Judges should defer to sincere legislature efforts to end a problem. That the ninth circuit issued this order strikes as a new reason to despise activist judges.

thuja on July 7, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Can bisexuals sleep in either barracks?

profitsbeard on July 7, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Male bisexuals don’t exist. It’s just another crazy notion from the the left.

thuja on July 7, 2011 at 9:55 AM

“included Reagan appointee and conservative judicial rock star Alex Kozinski”

I’ve seen more and more evidence that Reagan was not very good at appointing Judges and Justices. I know everyone here worships him, but I’m just stating what I observe.

Kennedy, O’Conner, and now this judge et al.

I think frankly George W. Bush > Reagan on judicial appointments.

scotash on July 7, 2011 at 12:27 PM

State constitutions do not trump the full faith and credit clause. DOMA is not long for this world.

Revenant on July 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM

You are correct. This is why a federal constitutional amendment has always been necessary to define marriage since the debate arose. I knew people were blowing smoke when they said the country was not ready for an amendment and to “let the states decide”. DOMA has always been unconstitutional. All of these state constitutional changes are going to evaporate in the blink of an eye once a federal judge gets the guts to invalidate them in one fell swoop.

scotash on July 7, 2011 at 12:35 PM

The standard R party voter is just as clueless on this, as they are on immigration.

“Baby harp seal Republicans, lying in the snow all cute and cuddly, waiting to get clubbed and skinned by the left…..”

rightwingyahooo on July 6, 2011 at 6:28 PM

If you don’t mind, I’m going to ‘borrow’ that.

Solaratov on July 7, 2011 at 8:12 PM