Marchers protest Georgia immigration law

posted at 7:30 pm on July 2, 2011 by Tina Korbe

This Independence Day weekend, a different kind of parade made its way through the streets of Atlanta. Thousands of marchers stormed the Georgia state capitol to protest a recently passed immigration law that, among other things, makes it a felony to use false information or documentation when applying for a job.

Thousands of marchers stormed the Georgia Capitol on Saturday to protest the state’s new immigration law, which they say creates an unwelcome environment for people of color and those in search of a better life.

Men, women and children of all ages converged on downtown Atlanta for the march and rally, cheering speakers while shading themselves with umbrellas and posters. Capitol police and organizers estimated the crowd at between 8,000 and 14,000. They filled the blocks around the Capitol, holding signs decrying House Bill 87 and reading “Immigration Reform Now!” …

Adelina Nicholls, executive director of the Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights, said the crowd was sending a message.

“They are ready to fight,” Nicholls said. “We need immigration reform, and no HB87 is going to stop us. We have earned the right to be here.”

Without doubt, the nation needs immigration reform — but Nicholls’ perspective comes across as incredibly short-sighted. She seems to imply all that’s required to “earn the right to be here” is … to be here. But part of what it means to live in the United States is to respect the rule of law.

Georgia’s new law doesn’t even really do anything new: It just reinforces the state’s ability to enforce federal law. And at the moment, the law does even less than that. A judge Monday blocked several of the law’s key provisions, including one to authorize police to check the immigration status of suspects without proper identification and another to penalize people who knowingly and willingly transport or harbor illegal immigrants while committing another crime.

Today’s march followed a different kind of demonstration yesterday. Opponents of the new Georgia law organized “a day without immigrants,” during which some businesses closed and some community members refused to work or shop to protest the law.


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The protest itself is evidence of serious problem. Thanks for letting Georgia folks just how serious it is and how many illegals are there “protestors”.

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 7:43 AM

So if I take some tools, work really hard at breaking into your house, I deserve to be there and you can’t evict me?
Which means, working extra hard, breaking into a bank, take money that legally doesn’t belong to me, and it is okay now?

right2bright on July 3, 2011 at 8:13 AM

“We demand that our criminal ways be ignored!”
/
These people are more mobster than anything else.

Count to 10 on July 3, 2011 at 8:18 AM

Water cannons can be very cool and refreshing.

BigWyo on July 3, 2011 at 8:20 AM

So if I take some tools, work really hard at breaking into your house, I deserve to be there and you can’t evict me?

right2bright on July 3, 2011 at 8:13 AM

Yes. Plus it means I have to feed you, clothe you, pay for school for any children you may have and pay for your medical needs as well.

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 8:39 AM

What a bunch of selfish, self centered, self pitying, parasitic brats are the illegals (Mexicans mostly). Even worse, they are all criminals by being here illegally. To add to this toxic mix the illegals are effectively morons who came to the U.S. for a better life, but persist with behavior and insist on policies that will turn the U.S. into just another $#!thole country like the ones that they abandoned. Thus they are only postponing the inevitable. STUPID! No rational person would want these adolescent idiots to become citizens of their country. The only answer is to arrest and deport all illegals.

It’s not America’s fault Mexico and other countries suck, and changing America into another Mexico- or wherever- will not make your lives better. Comprende?

JimP on July 3, 2011 at 8:45 AM

We are or were a nation of laws that were carefully crafted and changed over the years to create our country. It is the reason people have wanted to immigrate here. We now have a president who picks and chooses which laws to enforce or circumvent. These protesters are degrading the very reason they say they came here for, and they don’t even realize it.

Kissmygrits on July 3, 2011 at 8:53 AM

“We have earned the right to be here.”

Do you have the papers to prove it?? There is a process for entering this country. Follow the rules or go back to wherever you came from.

Adelina Nicholls, executive director of the Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights, said the crowd was sending a message.

Your OWN country needs you right now; Mexico is a mess.

TN Mom on July 3, 2011 at 8:58 AM

It’s not America’s fault Mexico and other countries suck,

JimP on July 3, 2011 at 8:45 AM

No, it’s not. Mexico has natural resources, two beautiful coast lines, plenty of people who are willing to work hard … it’s just corrupt and full of socialist a$$holes.

Get to work on fixing your own country Mexico.

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Your OWN country needs you right now; Mexico is a mess.

TN Mom on July 3, 2011 at 8:58 AM

Which reminds me: does the US have a game plan for what to do if Mexico goes over the edge into the abyss of failed statehood?

Count to 10 on July 3, 2011 at 9:02 AM

“Which reminds me: does the US have a game plan for what to do if Mexico goes over the edge into the abyss of failed statehood?
Count to 10 on July 3, 2011 at 9:02 AM”

Yes. The present administration intends to let ALL Mexicans come to the U.S. and go on welfare. It’s called ‘The Wet Dream Act’.

JimP on July 3, 2011 at 9:20 AM

At my son’s job, 4 of the kitchen staff refused to work yesterday, in protest of this law. He worked a double, they called in 2 other guys, the protesters were fired. This is the best way to handle it.

di butler on July 3, 2011 at 9:26 AM

These protesters are degrading the very reason they say they came here for, and they don’t even realize it.

Kissmygrits on July 3, 2011 at 8:53 AM

These protesters are not who you think they are.

faraway on July 3, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Would love to see an ICE truck show up at some of these protests. It would scatter the crowd real quick.

kringeesmom on July 2, 2011 at 9:33 PM

You live in a dreamworld. O’Bozo’s ICE is actively encouraging the illegal aliens, not trapping them at bizarre rallies for the ‘rights’ of illegals…

Jaibones on July 3, 2011 at 9:32 AM

They’ve earned the right to be illegal, to spread contagious diseases, to steal American’s jobs and to soak our social services dry! In fact, if they are allowed to get their way, they will have earned the right to turn parts of American soil into Mexican soil!

And then, once they have finished the job of creating their expanded Mexican nation, it will be just as decrepit and corrupt as the Mexican nation they left!

JellyToast on July 3, 2011 at 9:43 AM

At my son’s job, 4 of the kitchen staff refused to work yesterday, in protest of this law. He worked a double, they called in 2 other guys, the protesters were fired. This is the best way to handle it.

di butler on July 3, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Agreed.

ladyingray on July 3, 2011 at 9:43 AM

The flood of illegals is preventing necessary reform in Mexico. Can you imagine what would happen if 20 million illegals were back in Mexico? Something would have to give.

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 9:51 AM

We are the laughing stock of the world…

theaddora on July 3, 2011 at 10:00 AM

What is wrong with you?

MSNBC has no problem with the whole country looking like Tijuana.

IlikedAUH2O on July 3, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Boy oh boy does this burn my grits!! It is pathetic how the mexicans feel that they were screwed out of the southwest part of this country so feel they can do whatever they want because us “gringos” are criminals. I think the native american indians would have something to say about that. Seems to me that the majority of the mexicans are decendants of the spaniards who themselves invaded and conquered South America. Our southwest was inhabited by native american indians–not decendants of spaniards. I believe there were very few mexican settlements in our southwest before we purchased the land from Mexico. Can someone here tell me if I am wrong about this??

KickandSwimMom on July 3, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Seems to me that the majority of the mexicans are decendants of the spaniards who themselves invaded and conquered South America.

KickandSwimMom on July 3, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Right, you have people who are descended from the Spanish, who decimated the indigenous peoples of South America whining because they lost a war and sold the Southwest to America.

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 10:34 AM

KickandSwimMom on July 3, 2011 at 10:22 AM

You are correct. The Mexicans love to whitewash their culpability in the two country’s history with one another. They were more than well compensated for their “losses”. As you correctly pointed out, the Mexicans were few and far between in the old Southwest and they weren’t doing anything of note or productive with their holdings. Just like Mexico today, as pointed out already by another commenter. Mexico has abundant natural resources and many hard working people but they ain’t doing anything with those resources. Some things never change. Instead they want to whine and blame the Gringos, just like teenagers blaming everything on their parents while insisting on being given their “rights”. ‘I have a right to my own credit card that you make the payments on, Daddy!’

JimP on July 3, 2011 at 10:37 AM

I have a sister and a brother who live in Gwinett County outside of Atlanta. A couple of years ago I was visiting and got lost on the way back to my brother’s house, and ended up in Norcross. I thought I was in Juarez. Miles of shops and businesses with signs all in Spanish. We had to stop at three different gas station before finding someone who could give us directions back to I-85 in English!! It really shook me up.

My sister says a lot of the illegals are leaving already since the passage of this law. Most of them came there to work in the home building industries and have been unemployed for a long time anyway. The folks in Gwinett County are quite happy about it.

rockmom on July 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM

The flood of illegals is preventing necessary reform in Mexico. Can you imagine what would happen if 20 million illegals were back in Mexico? Something would have to give.

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Why do you think the Mexican government opposes our states cracking down on their illegal immigrants? They are very happy to dump millions of people onto our welfare rolls and into our hospitals, and take the billions of dollars remittances from those who are here working.

rockmom on July 3, 2011 at 11:07 AM

Which reminds me: does the US have a game plan for what to do if Mexico goes over the edge into the abyss of failed statehood?

Count to 10 on July 3, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Unless it invloves Golf & Fundraising for the Dems, then NO. It takes a LOT of time & effort to run a constant re-election campaign. “Governing is hard”– Barack Obama

TN Mom on July 3, 2011 at 11:08 AM

Thanks darwin and JimP for your responses. It gets even worse with the mexicans though. They themselves have been guilty of the worse kind of discrimination in their own country. For instance, the Mayan indians who were indigenous to the Yucatan Peninsula were basically isolated after the spanish plundered and colonized Central America. In fact, the first highway or main road connecting the Yucatan Peninsula to the rest of Mexico was not even built until the 1950′s. Then, once Cancun was discovered as a great place to create a tourist haven, the Mexicans exploited the Mayans even further by taking the prime land along the coastlines and relegating the Mayans to living primarily in poor ghettos on the outskirts of town.

So, in a nutshell, I have no sympathy for the illegals in this country and no patience for their nonsense that they somehow are entitled to be here.

KickandSwimMom on July 3, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Think produce prices are high now?
When crops are left in the field to rot and the price of fruits and vegetables goes through the roof, you lot will be the first to whine.

Oh, Americans will take those picking jobs? HAHAHAHAHAhaha!

chumpThreads on July 2, 2011 at 8:26 PM

You think there are farms in metro Atlanta? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaha!

rockmom on July 3, 2011 at 11:17 AM

You think there are farms in metro Atlanta? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaha!

rockmom on July 3, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Good comeback!

KickandSwimMom on July 3, 2011 at 11:23 AM

The USA = creating yet another slavery crisis.

You would have thought we had learned from the last bad experiment with slavery.

stenwin77 on July 3, 2011 at 7:40 AM

Care to expand on that little gem? It has so much promise, I can tell.

RDE2010 on July 3, 2011 at 11:23 AM

rockmom on July 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM

I live in the county next to Gwinnett. We have a whole section of town known as “little Mexico.” We also have the largest poultry processing centers in the SE, so our immigrant population is huge. Jobs for young white men are hard to come by, as they are being filled by employers who pay under the table. My son works in restaurants, and is continually getting his hours cut, because he actually gets taxes taken out. The problem with complaining is that it ends up with the white kids (or black kids) getting let go, and word gets around to other restaurants, if you complain. Landscaping jobs are near impossible to get, also.

di butler on July 3, 2011 at 11:25 AM

“So, in a nutshell, I have no sympathy for the illegals in this country and no patience for their nonsense that they somehow are entitled to be here.
KickandSwimMom on July 3, 2011 at 11:15 AM”

I “…second that emotion.” Thanks for the info about the Mexicans being ugly, bigoted, exploitative SOBs within their own country. Now we know they are projecting and it’s all nothing more than hypocrisy and sour grapes… in addition to heading off a revolution in their own country by encouraging illegal immigration to the U.S.

JimP on July 3, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Welcome to the inevitable result of relative morality -as if our willing acceptance of a less than moral culture doesn’t inevitably include political relativity, legal relativity, property and money rights relativity,constitutional prtections relativity, and as we will soon find out – life and death relativity.

We on the right as well as the left have ownership in this and little to whine about.

Don L on July 3, 2011 at 11:38 AM

actually gets taxes taken out. The problem with complaining is that it ends up with the white kids (or black kids) getting let go, and word gets around to other restaurants, if you complain. Landscaping jobs are near impossible to get, also.

di butler on July 3, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Then do your own demonstrations and shut the places down.

katy the mean old lady on July 3, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Which reminds me: does the US have a game plan for what to do if Mexico goes over the edge into the abyss of failed statehood?

Count to 10 on July 3, 2011 at 9:02 AM

57 states instead of 50.

12 of them failed

poteen on July 3, 2011 at 12:00 PM

The thing that has always frustrated me is that this is such an easy problem to fix. Enforcement would cost almost little and you don’t have to deport anybody.

The problem is NOT that we have millions of illegals crossing the border every year. That is incidental to the problem. The real problem is that we (seemingly by design) make it so attractive to jump the fence. So folks – the key here is not to round people up and send them back. The key is not to even enforce the border. The key is to take away all the reasons that people come over. Enforce I-9 employment regulations – at the employer level. Knowingly hire an illegal – go to jail. ALL government benefits should require legal residency. There should be no illegals in government housing, no illegals in public schools, no illegals on food stamps. Again – enforcement shouldn’t be focused on the illegals themselves – it should be focused on the enablers.
We don’t need border enforcement. If US policy became “Sure – climb the fence if you want to – but you will be unemployable and you probably can’t live inside” the problem would fix itself. People would self deport.

Twana on July 3, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Twana on July 3, 2011 at 12:05 PM

An excellent point!

JimP on July 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Twana on July 3, 2011 at 12:05 PM

You are substantially right. The only enablers though are the state and federal authorities.
Stop paying them to come here (i.e. welfare, education, medicine) and they will stay home or go back.
Here in CA,40 years ago, before illegals found out they could live off gov’t largesse, there were far fewer and those that came over came to work and send money home. Then they found out that if they brought kids into the equation, the Americans paid for everything. And the number of illegals, the power of the cartels,(paying them is the only way to get over the border)and the cost of supporting them increased exponentially.
Just stop paying them to come.

poteen on July 3, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Twana on July 3, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Employer sanctions only put more pressure on already overtaxed small business and more money into gov’t.
Gov’t are the ones to punish and fine.

poteen on July 3, 2011 at 12:26 PM

They are stealing from the citizens of this country with the blessing of our government. It is the duty of our government to protect us from an invasion, but what can you do when the government is on the side of the invaders, and that includes both parties? Have you ever read the stories that go around in e-mails about the large amounts of money and services just one family pulls in? They breed like flies, and Al Gore wants to limit the size of citizens families? This country is now so screwed up I don’t believe we can ever get it back.

silvernana on July 3, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Employer sanctions only put more pressure on already overtaxed small business

All business have to do…is not hire illegals by using E Verify. What’s so onerous about that? If they value their business, they won’t hire illegals.

Twana on July 3, 2011 at 12:34 PM

The problem is most republicans are VERY HAPPY with massive illegal immigration, and when they do complain, they back off immediately when their R part leaders call them racist or nativist.

And finally, the R voters keep voting in the pols who support this, and anyone who challenges them can never get any traction.

Tell me what politician lost because of his support for illegal immigration.

They never do.

Further, we are about to happily send up an R nominee who is the second coming of McCain on the issue, (Perry or Palin)and not only do few even mention it, the ones who do are called nazis and racists by the supposed conservatives in their own party.

These people, supposedly conservative, then go on to use the MOST EXTREME, MICHEAL MOORE/DAILY KOS left wing race baiting demagoguery, in justifying their candidate’s stance in favor of more and more of all this, and work overtime to establish as fact the LIE that illegals cannot be deported.

Conclusion:

The R party does not care about, nor does it have any intention of doing anything serious to slow down, let alone stop, let alone reverse, the invasion and re-conquest of our country.

Not the politicians. Not the voters. NO one. PERIOD.

And so, more and more people will be voting Dem, and conservatism will disappear.

Baby harp seal republicans, lying on the snow all cute and cuddly, waiting to be clubbed and skinned by the left.

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM

“They are ready to fight,” Nicholls said. “We need immigration reform, and no HB87 is going to stop us. We have earned the right to be here.”

So Breaking the Law earns you rights. Since When? What part of Illegal did these Morons misunderstand. Let’s pass a law that requires everyone to be able to read, write, and understand, english so that Law Breakers understand what Illegal means.

BigMike252 on July 3, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Without doubt, the nation needs immigration reform —

Why? Please attempt to make the case for this so we can refute it.

Why do we need immigration reform? We have 15 million jobless in this country.

Why do we need immigration reform? Explain please.

It’s Republicans like this that are going to get us 20 million new democrat voters for our trouble.

NO, Tina, we don’t need reform. Come back after ten years’ law enforcement, and then let’s talk.

And I predict the answer will be the same then as now.

We don’t need immigration reform, PERIOD.

There is a reason Rush Limbaugh called the 2007 CIR bill the “comprehensive destroy the Republican party bill”.

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 12:55 PM

And so, more and more people will be voting Dem, and conservatism will disappear.

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Pretty much. All the laws that the people want are always thwarted by Chamber of Commerce type Reps who have to have their cheap labor or activist socialist judges. No Republican has the guts to come out and do what needs to be done. Except for Tancredo and we saw how he was labeled a kook by his own party. No one seems to understand that these people breed like roaches and they’ll have the numbers in the near future to quash any hope of conservatism surviving.

TxAnn56 on July 3, 2011 at 12:55 PM

All business have to do…is not hire illegals by using E Verify. What’s so onerous about that? If they value their business, they won’t hire illegals.

Twana on July 3, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Nothing onerous about it other than more gov’t oversight of business. And gov’t is the problem. E-verify does not guarantee legal employees. ‘Legal’ documentation is a booming trade in CA and other border states.
It only guarantees revenue for the state if an illegal is found and e-verify wasn’t used. And that was and is it’s only purpose.

poteen on July 3, 2011 at 12:56 PM

I’d like to know if immigrants believe “immigration reform” to mean U.S. citizenship?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2011 at 12:59 PM

It only guarantees revenue for the state if an illegal is found and e-verify wasn’t used. And that was and is it’s only purpose.

poteen on July 3, 2011 at 12:56 PM

that’s a lie. E-verify will find a falsified SSN in a heartbeat, and is well over 90% accurate.

I guess we know who likes illegal workers eh? Does your dad own a landscape company or something?

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM

My Grandparents immigrated to this Great Land, from Mexico. They did it legally. I can recall my grandmother signing her green card papers, she looked at me a said that they must think “she” is stupid because she couldn’t write her name properly. I recall that and her making an X on papers prior. All I can say if it was good enough for my Grandparents to come here and do it LEGALLY then every one else can, Don’t want to follow the rules. GO BACK to what ever shit hole you left. Do not come here and try to change this country because your too F*cling lazy/cowardly to fix/change your one.
don’t like the rules here STFU n Go home.

ColdWarrior57 on July 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Why do we need immigration reform? Explain please.

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Because it’s good for democrats, marginalizes Americans, and dilutes our history, language and traditions even further.

Plus, they’d make a nice “civilian defense force”.

Clear enough?

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 1:01 PM

I’d like to know if immigrants believe “immigration reform” to mean U.S. citizenship?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Why what difference does that make? Do you suppose that legal status could be granted, apart from cit, and they’d never try for cit later? And get a court to rule if no one bit?

Why is it so important for you to let them stay? Why?

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Because it’s good for democrats, marginalizes Americans, and dilutes our history, language and traditions even further.

Plus, they’d make a nice “civilian defense force”.

Clear enough?

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Why, you sound like some sort of racist or nativist, and full or hate.

Our wonderful R party embraces these great undocumented Americans, and welcomes their political activism on behalf of our opponents.

And all you people who think the laws can be enforced, well you’re all racists and we don’t care about you.

signed,

The RINO party.

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Why, you sound like some sort of racist or nativist, and full or hate.

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM

What’s odd is the illegal lobby is the true “nativist” spilling over with hate. They demand we alter our language and culture to accept another.

People from other countries imposing their culture and language on another. I suppose the media never points that out.

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 1:08 PM

I’d like to know if immigrants believe “immigration reform” to mean U.S. citizenship?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Do you mean illegals? If so, yes. Immigration reform is simply amnesty.

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 1:10 PM

What’s odd is the illegal lobby is the true “nativist” spilling over with hate. They demand we alter our language and culture to accept another.

People from other countries imposing their culture and language on another. I suppose the media never points that out.

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Oh yeah, you and your racist “facts”, well I got news for you buddy

facts==> h8. Stop the h8…

/sarc…..

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 1:10 PM

ColdWarrior57 on July 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Well, I am glad you’re here, and that your gps did came legally.

Happy fourth, bro.

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 1:12 PM

whoops left a word in there…..

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 1:12 PM

I have a sister and a brother who live in Gwinett County outside of Atlanta. A couple of years ago I was visiting and got lost on the way back to my brother’s house, and ended up in Norcross. I thought I was in Juarez. Miles of shops and businesses with signs all in Spanish. We had to stop at three different gas station before finding someone who could give us directions back to I-85 in English!! It really shook me up.

I lived in Norcross off Jimmy Carter Blvd. from ’91 to ’92. The demographics of that area were already changing then. In ’95 I went to work for a lab off Buford Hwy., an area which is known for its Asian and Latino immigrants. The lab was located near an apartment complex that was inhabited by mostly Latinos, and every year after school ended for the summer, the gang tagging of the entire building started. What was funny was listening to the comments of the legal immigrants who were my managers and co-workers at the time, Greeks, Russians, and Bosnians, who were appalled by what was happening. When the amnesty push started again many of them weren’t too happy with what they considered to be line jumpers.

GoodBrew on July 3, 2011 at 1:38 PM

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 1:10 PM

You would think that people that legally have immigrated would expect others to follow the path, but look at Democrats in general, their views are weird. Hopefully the numbers that feel that a free ride should be give are few. But I bet those few will demand a refund.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2011 at 1:45 PM

hillbillyjim on July 2, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Thanks, hillbillyjim.

Yes. The present administration intends to let ALL Mexicans come to the U.S. and go on welfare. It’s called ‘The Wet Dream Act’.
JimP on July 3, 2011 at 9:20 AM

Lol! Thanks for the laugh, Jim!

They are stealing from the citizens of this country with the blessing of our government. It is the duty of our government to protect us from an invasion, but what can you do when the government is on the side of the invaders, and that includes both parties?
silvernana on July 3, 2011 at 12:27 PM

That’s what gets me, silvernana. The government is refusing to protect us, and refusing to let states protect themselves, from illegal, unlawful behavior.

So: How is it that the government expects me to respect or follow any laws?

If any of us breaks some law, we pay for it big time.

Do they think we’re just going to go on forever being good little citizens, while others don’t have to? And PAY for the whole flippin deal, to boot?

Alana on July 3, 2011 at 2:02 PM

If illegas were voting Republican…

… the Democrats would wrapped a net around the whole protests and bused the entire lot off to a “Immigration Satus Processing Center”.

Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM

The political class wants docile voters who are used to being poor and cheated.

Remember Pelosi saying “We want the kind of Rs where it doesn’t matter who wins elections.”?

That.

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Miles of shops and businesses with signs all in Spanish. We had to stop at three different gas station before finding someone who could give us directions back to I-85 in English!! It really shook me up.

You ought to try Houston, LA, or Miami. heh. Hell Ft Stockton, TX. try that.

Believe it or not, we have morons on this board who want to legalize them, all or most….

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 2:31 PM

The Hispanic population of California has increased from 19.2% in 1980 to 37.8% in 2010. Georgians are trying to save their state and its culture before it becomes another California.

bw222 on July 3, 2011 at 2:40 PM

“They are ready to fight,” Nicholls said.

Actually, if Nicholls meant that literally, they’d be fools to do that – and, obviously, most illegal immigrants aren’t fools.

Knott Buyinit on July 3, 2011 at 2:42 PM

You ought to try Houston, LA, or Miami. heh. Hell Ft Stockton, TX. try that.

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 2:31 PM

My brother is an attorney in Houston and speaks fluent spanish so he gets a lot of court appointed cases. He said most of these illegals barely have a third grade education and can’t even speak decent Spanish. It’s not like these illegals pouring over the border are nuclear physicists. They bring nothing but trash and their barrio culture and low IQs with them. They care nothing about this country but a free ride that the govt is so willing to give them.

TxAnn56 on July 3, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Where have the Madison protesters gone? I’m guessing some of them got a bus ticket and stipend to go to Georgia.

Fallon on July 3, 2011 at 2:51 PM

MSNBC The Bush family has no problem with the whole country looking like Tijuana (as long as it’s nogt their neighborhood).

IlikedAUH2O on July 3, 2011 at 10:16 AM

bw222 on July 3, 2011 at 3:00 PM

I live in the county next to Gwinnett. We have a whole section of town known as “little Mexico.” We also have the largest poultry processing centers in the SE, so our immigrant population is huge. Jobs for young white men are hard to come by, as they are being filled by employers who pay under the table. My son works in restaurants, and is continually getting his hours cut, because he actually gets taxes taken out. The problem with complaining is that it ends up with the white kids (or black kids) getting let go, and word gets around to other restaurants, if you complain. Landscaping jobs are near impossible to get, also.

di butler on July 3, 2011 at 11:25 AM

My nephew had the same exprience trying to break into the restaurant business in Atlanta. He has finally given up and moved to Denver.

Greedy employers really are the problem. It kills me that the same labor leaders who are screaming for amnesty now are the children and grandchildren of labor leaders who fought in the early 20th century to close the sweatshops and establish wage and hour laws, which employers are now flouting with impunity because illegals will work for peanuts. Today’s labor leaders actually think that once all these Latinos are legalized they can make employers pay them the federal minimum wage and benefits. Hide and watch. They will all be fired and end up going home to Mexico anyway because there won’t be any jobs for them in the chicken plants and the carpet mills at $10 an hour plus benefits.

rockmom on July 3, 2011 at 3:13 PM

bw222 on July 3, 2011 at 3:00 PM

rockmom on July 3, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Have you seen the unemployment numbers for young blacks?

You still have some good points but let us not pretend young American blacks are having much affect on young whites.

CW on July 3, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Next presidential pool.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2011 at 3:54 PM

You would think that people that legally have immigrated would expect others to follow the path, but look at Democrats in general, their views are weird. Hopefully the numbers that feel that a free ride should be give are few. But I bet those few will demand a refund.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2011 at 1:45 PM

The dirty little secret is that many of the so-called “legal” immigrants were granted amnesty in 1986 or are the off-spring of those granted amnesty. Not to mention all the anchor baby citizens. So, they have guilt in not supporting another amnesty for their compadres.

mrsmwp on July 3, 2011 at 4:08 PM

mrsmwp on July 3, 2011 at 4:08 PM

Unfortunately, Reagan and many Republicans believed they were exchanging amnesty for border security but the Dems renegged. Alan Simpson (RINO-WY) was the sponsor of the bill and folded big time.

The Republicans need to keep this in mine if the Democrats talk about swapping a debt ceiling (and increased spending) for future tax cuts. The spending will happen. The future tax cuts never will.

bw222 on July 3, 2011 at 4:28 PM

When I go to Mexico the Federales check my papers sometimes and I always comply. If I didn’t have papers, guess what? I get to go to a nice Mexican jail.

Rambotito on July 3, 2011 at 4:49 PM

“…. The Bush family has no problem with the whole country looking like Tijuana (as long as it’s nogt their neighborhood).
IlikedAUH2O on July 3, 2011 at 10:16 AM
bw222 on July 3, 2011 at 3:00 PM”

Sooo totally true!

JimP on July 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM

When I go to Mexico the Federales check my papers sometimes and I always comply. If I didn’t have papers, guess what? I get to go to a nice Mexican jail.

Rambotito on July 3, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Really? Can’t you just call them racist or something and they back off? You know, like here?

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Further, we are about to happily send up an R nominee who is the second coming of McCain on the issue, (Perry or Palin)and not only do few even mention it, the ones who do are called nazis and racists by the supposed conservatives in their own party.

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM

I’m just going to call you out (again) on your pet issue and how you’re woefully lost …

First … Palin’s position is … “No discussion about immigration reform until the borders are sealed.”

Uhm – that’s a quote. So firstly – she wants the borders secured.

You say “T-Paw’s the man” on immigration. Okay – but the fact is – he’s not even made a comprehensive statement on the issue. I have not seen the man on O’Reilly getting grilled about what we’re going to do with 20 million illegals after the borders are sealed. Your support of T-Paw is based more on what he HAS NOT said on this issue – than what he has said. And – I’m sorry, given T-Paw’s very liberal governorship of Minnesota – in which he sponsored and passed laws on greenhouse gas reduction and campaigned with Janet Napolitano to demand Congress do something about Climate Change – well … I’m just not sure that you’re giving T-Paw the benefit of a “conservative doubt” is merited. Certainly it’s not.

You call people like me … “DKos Michael Moore Freaks” because we acknowledge that some of those 20 million illegals inside our borders are going to get citizenship. But the fact is – people like me want the borders secured first before we even talk about that part.

Yet every time we ask you what YOUR solution is to the 20 million illegals already here – you say “enforce the law”. Well, enforcing the law means deporting 20 million illegals. That means a human exodus of a size that has never been seen before. Hitler deported about 12 million people. The Indian Partition was about 14 million people. Both of those were disasters and YOU want to deport almost twice that many.

And when we ask you your plan to do that?

Your answer boils down to actually NOT enforcing the law … do some ICE crackdowns on employers but don’t really go into East LA to pull the illegals out of the houses. Basically – if an illegal runs in front of an ICE official with a sign that says “Kiss me I’m Illegal” – then grab that guy and deport him, otherwise – do nothing – that’s your plan. Your hope is that all the illegals here will DIE eventually, or self-deport.

That’s your plan? Come on dude – that is just weak. If you’re going to be hardcore about immigration – be hardcore and tell us that you’d go on the hunt for every illegal in the nation and put them on a plane or bus for the border. Tell us you’re willing to deport that illegal Mom in Texas – who’s son is in Afghanistan fighting for YOU.

That’s the problem with idiots like you – everything is black and white. YOu refuse to acknowledge that, within the scope of a problem that is 20 millions of people wide – there are no special cases anywhere in that size group that would merit citizenship.

But then what does it matter? You can’t even back your position with a solution other than “Hope” and “Denial” of the problem – that somehow just ignoring the problem of 20 million people already here will somehow make the problem go away.

Keep spitting on the people who are, unlike you – thinking several moves ahead here to a time we’re going to have to deal with those people. Thank God you’ll never be in a position to govern this nation – your position on immigration is about the same as Obama’s on the economy – basically deny that you have to address it.

Laughable.

HondaV65 on July 3, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Keep spitting on the people who are, unlike you – thinking several moves ahead here to a time we’re going to have to deal with those people. Thank God you’ll never be in a position to govern this nation – your position on immigration is about the same as Obama’s on the economy – basically deny that you have to address it.

Laughable.

HondaV65 on July 3, 2011 at 5:11 PM

the problem with this morally self-righteous diatribe, is that is was used before. this is what was said in 1987 when the last amnesty was passed.

these 20 million people have lived “in the shadows” for this long, there is absolutely no rush to “deal with the problem” RIGHT NOW!!!!Eleventy!!!

Instead, the issue we must deal with is the constant inflow of illegals. We cannot slow the inflow by legitimizing those already here – that just increases incentives for others to enter.

And, any argument that we will “deal with the border” at the same time as some form of amnesty is completely laughable. that bill of goods was sold to us before, by a much better man than you or anyone currently in federal office – Reagan. And he failed us.

We are not going to accept any kind of legitimizing those already here until a significant and serious effort is put forward to close the border (yes, we know it can never be totally closed, there will always be some illegals coming through). And, we won’t give in until that effort to close the border is given time to work and we see that a) it is a true and serious effort and b) it is working.

This has to be coupled with real enforcement of immigration laws against employers.

these two things will lead to some self-migration of some of those already here and slow down the flood of illegals coming in.

then, and only then, will we agree to come to a compromise on some of those already here.

the idea that there is some kind of crisis requiring that we do something about those already here before that is laughable.

1) they came here knowing they would be “living in the shadows”,

2) they are doing so;

3) there is no moral, legal or even ecomomic basis for claimign that we have any reason to have to deal with them now.

they came here willing to live is the shadows – so let them. That was there choice. they knew the deal when they made it.

American has no obligation to any of these people. And, america has no obligation to have open borders.

People who think otherwise are, quite frankly, insane. the idea that we somehow owe citizens of other countries a chance at a better life is just incredibly silly.

That isn’t to say that there are not good, honorable, honest, hardworking illegals here. Nobody disputes that. but so what? What does that have to do with anything? Even if they are good, decent, hard-working etc, they knew the deal when they came here and America still owes them nothing. It may be a sad story and I understand their motivation, but it doesn’t mean our policy should be made to their benefit.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Illegal is illegal.

Deal with it.

TimBuk3 on July 3, 2011 at 5:50 PM

I will be the last one to deny that illegal immigration is one of the greatest problems facing us. Deporting 20+ million illegals is going to be a major problem. There are several things we can do to minimize the impact of illegal immigrants.

1. Secure the borders; if we don’t this country will resemble Mexico in a few years. Anyone who believes the official government/MSM line that there are only 11 million illegals and the number is dropping because of self-deportation is a fool.
2. Change the laws to eliminate citizens being able to sponsor family members. In all reality, a percentage of illegals is going to become citizens. If they are allowed to sponsor family members, it will be a total disaster.
3. Curtail welfare for illegal aliens. Consider a bonus for any illegal willing to self-deport (once the border is secure). I realize that this is rewarding illegal behavior, but it’s much cheaper than keeping them here.
4. Force employers to use e-verify. If an illegal is detected and e-verify wasn’t used, the company receives HUGE fines that get higher with any further violations. If e-verify wasn’t somewhat effective, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce wouldn’t be trying to end it.
5. The 14th Amendment was passed for one reason – to grant citizenship to freed slaves. It needs to be repealed – a long and expensive effort.

Yahoo is right is being concerned about illegal immigration. California has gone from 19.2% Hispanic population in the 1980 census to 37.8% in 2010. The state is going broke and its public education system has gone from being one of the best to one of the worst. Unfortunately, he has some misguided ideas, especially regarding Sarah Palin. He either cites statements made when Palin was McCain’s VP candidate or the interview on BOR which was an ambush interview, plus Palin was in Alaska on 4-7 second delay.

bw222 on July 3, 2011 at 6:04 PM

I have a sister and a brother who live in Gwinett County outside of Atlanta. A couple of years ago I was visiting and got lost on the way back to my brother’s house, and ended up in Norcross. I thought I was in Juarez. Miles of shops and businesses with signs all in Spanish. We had to stop at three different gas station before finding someone who could give us directions back to I-85 in English!! It really shook me up.

My sister says a lot of the illegals are leaving already since the passage of this law. Most of them came there to work in the home building industries and have been unemployed for a long time anyway. The folks in Gwinett County are quite happy about it.

rockmom on July 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM

I live in the Tucker/Norcross area and the crime rate is unreal. Unfortunately, Gwinnett County is the major hub for the Mexican drug cartel and I find it interesting that these protestors never talk about the crime element they bring. This used to be a very nice area to live in until 1998 and then it’s been like the flood gates were opened.

moonsbreath on July 3, 2011 at 6:23 PM

You call people like me … “DKos Michael Moore Freaks” because we acknowledge that some of those 20 million illegals inside our borders are going to get citizenship. But the fact is – people like me want the borders secured first before we even talk about that part.

HondaV65 on July 3, 2011 at 5:11 PM

I’m not of the view that people like you are Michael Moore clones.

Having said that, let me ask you, since you’re thinking several moves ahead, how long will it be before our borders are secure enough. And how many in your estimation is “some of?”

Gang-of-One on July 3, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Idiotic arguements and strawmen that defy logic – that’s your post in a nutshell.

Amnesty? I’m against it. I was against it when Reagan did it – and I’m against it now.

I want to secure the borders – I want to do that NOW … YESTERDAY. I’m willing to spend whatever it takes to keep any more illegals from crossing the border – be it military troops, or electronics … or whatever.

But once that is done – there are 20 MILLION people to be dealt with that are residing within our borders. Some want complete amnesty (let ‘em all stay) – that’s not me.

Some SAY they want to deport them all – ignoring the realities of such a mass displacement of individuals – you cannot do it … PERIOD! Hitler deported 12 million people – and we all know what a disaster that was. The Indian partition was 14 million people – A DISASTER! If you really want to destroy your Republic – I can’t think of a better way than to borrow the imagery from those disasters. But wait – no … you want to deport almost TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE as those disasters.

Good Luck with that.

Good Luck with holding on to the Republic once the imagery of an illegal woman is placed in the news media being ripped out of her house in Texas by jack-booted ICE officials – while her Marine son is fighting in a foxhole in Afghanistan.

Good Luck with holding on to the Republic once the imagery of an illegal old man is placed before Americans – in a nursing home, and is ripped off his oxygen mask and put on a bus for the border – possibly dieing along the way.

The problem with you “Zero Tolerance” fanatics is the fact that your tiny minds have no appreciation for the number “TWENTY MILLION” … you have no idea how many people that is and you fail to recognize that some of these people will necessarily stay and become citizens. This why … YOU WILL NOT GET WHAT YOU DESIRE … you are betting on a losing argument of “zero tolerance” that is not grounded in reality.

Fortunately – most of us ARE grounded in reality – and realize that a solution has to be reached and it will take some compromise on the part of all.

And … that’s what is GOING to happen!

You cannot physically deport 20 million people – that’s reality.

Am I happy they’re here? Nope.

Do I wish they’d all go home? Yep.

Do I wish there were a way to deport 20 million people without destroying the whole Conservative movement in this nation while doing it? Oh yes – I wish there were.

But there isn’t. And that means – we’re going to have to compromise.

You idiots can beat your chests about “zero tolerance” and “100% Deportation” … and your inflexibility on the subject is going to cause you to be completely shut out of the conversation on solutions to this problem.

But keep trying.

HondaV65 on July 3, 2011 at 6:38 PM

that’s a lie. E-verify will find a falsified SSN in a heartbeat, and is well over 90% accurate.

I guess we know who likes illegal workers eh? Does your dad own a landscape company or something?

rightwingyahooo on July 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Wrong on all your guesses. I’m a CA general contractor who’s been dealing with this for 30 years. I’ve watched illegal immigration explode in the last 20. It runs up the cost of everything from liability ins. to work comp.
By extension those costs run the cost of labor up. There’s nothing ‘cheap’ about illegal labor.
As for E-verify, you go right ahead and believe those numbers. Trust the government to tell you who is legal. See how that works out for you. I already know.

poteen on July 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM

moonsbreath on July 3, 2011 at 6:23 PM

My sympathies. One of the reasons I think protest rallies like this are counterproductive is that they wake people up to the fact that illegal immigration is no longer a border issue alone. There are huge parts of metro Atlanta that Americans would not recognize as part of America. Parts of Central Kentucky, where I grew up, also have turned into barrios and people are hopping mad about it. And the Mexicans are not doing jobs Americans won’t do, they sure as hell are not migrant farmworkers picking vegetables, but they are accepting wages Americans won’t accept and shouldn’t have to accept. Kentucky has a stubbornly high unemployment rate as a result.

I have had two car accidents in which the other driver was an illegal. Last summer in Lexington, Kentucky, I was rear-ended into one who had no driver’s license or any kind of ID. The police officer who came to the scene spoke Spanish (unheard of when I was growing up there) and she figured out very quickly that the guy had no license, no insurance, and was here illegally. All she could do was write him a ticket for not having a license. Several weeks later I was contacted by the man who rear-ended me, and he told me he had just seen the guy out driving.

When legal Americans try to get away with driving with no license and no insurance, we get the book thrown at us. (And of course, these folks wouldn’t get away with it in Mexico!) These people just don’t care, nothing happens when they get caught, and the wrecks they cause are driving up our car insurance rates.

rockmom on July 3, 2011 at 6:45 PM

Having said that, let me ask you, since you’re thinking several moves ahead, how long will it be before our borders are secure enough. And how many in your estimation is “some of?”

Gang-of-One on July 3, 2011 at 6:27 PM

The borders will be secured when we elect a President who isn’t afraid to close them. I don’t think Mitt Romney is that guy and I don’t think Tim Pawlenty is that guy. I’m not sure Perry is that guy. I DO think that Palin, Cain, Bachmann … Santorum maybe – are the kind who would do that.

That’s the first step.

As far as how many of the 20 million would remain?

That depends. I favor a HIGH STANDARD for remaining here. 1.) Speak English fluently 2.) Pay a fine, and a significant one, in order to have the right to stay here and compete for citizenship with people who came here the correct way. 3.) WORK and pay taxes. 4.) No welfare, no Social Security, and no Medicare until you have been a productive citizen long enough to earn a right to those things (even though I don’t agree with anyone getting those things).

And you can throw in even more requirements.

If I’ve got 20 million people who want to stay here and can meet those conditions – and can be productive tax paying citizens who also enlist to defend this nation – why do I care if the whole 20 million stay?

Oh that’s right – the “rightwingyahoo” lunatic argument that they will all become Democrats …

BALDERDASH! rightwingyahoo says that only because he doesn’t believe in the superiority of the conservative philosophy. Conservatism can be sold to immigrants because it is the CORRECT philosophy – and people gravitate to truth – especially productive people who have a stake in the Republic.

HondaV65 on July 3, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Honda,

you are arguing, and quite poorly – with a straw man.

You keep stating how only you are dealing with reality.

Yet your arguments are weak and foolish. Nobody said anything about deporting 20 million people.

so, I will come back to this thread when you are willing to be honest, stop arguing with strawmen, and get off your highhorse.

You are not morally superior, not more intelligent. Your posiiton is foolish at best. If you don’t see that giving some kind of amnesty to those here right now will increase illegal immigration, then you are simply too stupid to take seriously.

I hate to be blunt, but there it is.

the idea that WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!!!! eleventy!!! is disproven by the fact that we haven’t done anything about those here illegally up to now. So your argument has no factual, legal, moral or persuasiuve basis.

You are trying to cow people into agreeing with you based solely on your self-percieved moral superiority. You have made not one argument for our position (except the straw-man about deporting 20 million people).

explain again why we can’t simply moslty ignore those here already while enforcing teh border and starting to crack down on businesses hiring illegals?

Or is that too much for your tiny brain?

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Wow, who knew there were that many illegals in Georgia?

And why wasn’t INS there with prison buses to load them up?

Ya know, if there were an organized protest march designed for drug dealers demanding they be allowed to sell drugs legally… wouldn’t the police at least try to *pretend* to be interested that there were thousands of criminals gathering in one place? I mean, how much easier can it get from a law enforcement perspective than to have your perps willingly organize and gather in one place for you?

I’m about sick to death of the willful and open breaking of the law that goes on, with smug and self-righteous lawbreakers demanding this and that of us while the people we elect and the people we pay to enforce our laws do nothing – or worse than nothing, they condone and encourage the lawbreakers.

w.t.f.

Midas on July 3, 2011 at 6:53 PM

I simply don’t understand people like Honda who think the U.S.A should not have, enforce, or care about it’s borders. it is lunacy.

Not sure how you can come to such a conclusion

Oh yeah – he throws out sops about enforcing the border some time in the future after we have dealt with the 20 million already here.

that is literally insane. Have fun with that argument.

Oh, and tell me again how we can’t deport 20 million people, b/c I’m quite sure that is my argument. Perhaps someday you will respond to an argument and stop jousting at stawmen.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 6:55 PM

The USA owes nothing to those here illegally. Period. If their lives “living in the shadows” aren’t what they want, they are free to leave teh U.S.

Not sure how people believe we have any responsibility to the citizens of another nation.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 6:59 PM

explain again why we can’t simply moslty ignore those here already while enforcing teh border and starting to crack down on businesses hiring illegals?

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 6:52 PM

For me it’s not a matter of ‘either/or’, it’s both/all of the above.

You don’t ignore the ones that are here, you arrest and deport them as you find them. And that doesn’t mean you necessarily are hunting for them (though, eh, I’m ok with that) – but when you do come across them (when they’ve been arrested for another crime, they get busted using fake ID, they are involved in traffic accidents, they show up at the hospital for free healthcare, they show up at the school for free education, etc) – yes, you damn well arrest and deport them.

You also clamp down on the border to prevent more from coming across.

You also bust employers who knowingly employ them – as well as landlords who rent apartments to them, people who sell and register cars to them, etc.

The *last* things you do is either grant amnesty (did that already, we know it only encourages more illegals to come here) or *ignore* them (which still encourages them to come, even if you make it harder, they know you won’t do anything to them when they get here).

Enough.

Welcome them with open arms if they come legally.

Reject/eject them utterly if they are here illegally.

Period.

Midas on July 3, 2011 at 6:59 PM

explain again why we can’t simply moslty ignore those here already while enforcing teh border and starting to crack down on businesses hiring illegals?

Or is that too much for your tiny brain?

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 6:52 PM

This is about the most incoherent question I’ve heard today …

Please explain your question better because it’s making me want to “mock” you again.

First … I’m all FOR cracking down on businesses. As far as “ignoring” the ones here until we get the border secured – well, isn’t that what we’re mostly doing NOW? Ignoring them? Isn’t that what you “zero tolerancers” have been complaining about – the fact that we aren’t rounding these people up in the schools and shipping them back to Mexico?

I’m all for returning to “Bush Type” enforcement while we secure the borders. Under Bush – a lot of businesses were raided – at least down here in the South where I live they were – with some factories being completely shut down because of the ICE raids – I’m good with that … for now.

I want the borders secured – Priority One.

After that – yes – continue deportations – continue to enforce the law – but we are going to make some compromises and allow some to stay and become citizens – and if we do it correctly – there’s no harm in doing it.

What do you care if 20 million people stay here who pay taxes and work? Unless you’re just a racist and don’t want any more Hispanics in the country. Sure, they got here illegally – make them pay a fine for it and shut them out of social welfare programs until they’ve earned their way here. Do it right. That’s not Amnesty – but it is a path to citizenship for those who are determined, honest, and willing to work.

For those that aren’t – deport their asses.

HondaV65 on July 3, 2011 at 7:02 PM

As far as how the illegals will vote if legalized -

I think looking at the history of other latinos will instruct one that more than 50% will vote democrat. Probably much higher than 50%.

To believe that they will somehow become republicans if we agree to amnesty is ignoring history. the hispanic vote didin’t turn republican after the 1987 amnesty by Reagan. the only conservative hispanic group are the cubans.

that is simply factual. that is not to say that some time in teh distant future republicans can’t get more than 50% of latino votes – but we aren’t going to get there by offering amnesty.

So, there is no political reason for teh GOP to get on board this nonsense either.

so we are left with no logical, economic, moral or political reason to follow an idiotic policy.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 7:04 PM

I simply don’t understand people like Honda who think the U.S.A should not have, enforce, or care about it’s borders. it is lunacy.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Your lack of mental comprehension is unsurprising given your concurrent lack of reading comprehension.

I’ve said many times we should enforce the law and protect the borders. But don’t let that fact get in the way of building that awesome STRAWMAN there skippy!

HondaV65 on July 3, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Honda,

You are an idiot. You can mock me all you want, but if you don’t understand the question, you can’t read.

And I love that you broke out the “racist” card.

good work you idiot lefty. Way to go for broke.

You are truly dim.

And keep talking about deporting 20 million people.

I bet you think you have made coherent points here, but you have not.

we can ignore those here already for the most part, and enforce the border and enforce laws against employers hiring illegals.

How is that hard to understand you imbecile?

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 7:06 PM

so we are left with no logical, economic, moral or political reason to follow an idiotic policy.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Yet … you wish to abandon one idiotic policy in order to pursue an even more idiotic and unrealistic one? Deporting 20 million people?

Brain Cells – they’re a terrible thing to waste.

HondaV65 on July 3, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Folks, the President’s own aunt is here illegally. Everyone knows it, but she remains on public housing and other assistance.

If we can’t agree on that, then we have little hope under this administration.

barnone on July 3, 2011 at 7:08 PM

HondaV65 on July 3, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Aren’t you two essentially saying the same thing?

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 7:10 PM

Honda,

that is not what you said.

you said that you want to have some kind of legalization for those here already, and then throw out sops to enforcement.

i say what is wrong with doing enforcement first and then coming back to those that remain.

When I or others ask that, you throw out “racist” or “we can’t deport 20 million people” or we “need to do somethign about them now”!!!

that is why you are dishonest.

Why can’t we enforce first (and by enforce, nobody is talking about deporting 20 million) and then come back to teh question of legalization in 5 or 10 years?

there is no immediacy from America’s perspective to legallizing those here illegaly.

And the reason I have been a jerk to you is that the first commment I read on this thread by you was so over the top self-righteous everybody who disagrees with me is an idiot type b.s. that I could not help myself. It is typical of those people who are your side of teh argument to adopt liberal argument style when discussing this subject (proven by you going straight to racist).

It makes me sick when an otherwise intellegent conservative commenter is willing to go to the bottom of the well so quickly and thoroughly. I guess that is what happens when yous start to believe you are morally superior on an issue.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Yet … you wish to abandon one idiotic policy in order to pursue an even more idiotic and unrealistic one? Deporting 20 million people?

Brain Cells – they’re a terrible thing to waste.

HondaV65 on July 3, 2011 at 7:06 PM

I guess my stating quite clearly that I don’t want to deport 20 million people won’t stop you from saying I do. so arguing with you is worthless. You are unwilling to be honest and are going to stick with your strawman argument. I guess that is what happens when you have no argument other than the strawman.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2011 at 7:12 PM

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