Checking McCotter: His admission of error about card check

posted at 6:15 pm on July 2, 2011 by Tina Korbe

National Journal and other news outlets have flagged newly announced GOP presidential candidate Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (Mich.) as a pro-labor Republican — and, indeed, the dryly funny Congressman did vote in favor of The Employee Free Choice Act once upon a time. The EFCA — or “card check” — would, of course, have eliminated the secret ballot process, allowing unions to form as long as enough people sign cards saying they want a union. As Manny Lopez of TheMichiganView.com puts it, “It’s pure union payoff legislation.”

But McCotter now says his vote for the EFCA was a mistake.

U.S. Rep. Thaddeus McCotter told me Friday his vote for union payoff legislation was a mistake and that if he were going to vote on “card check” legislation again, he would vote no.

“It was all because of Wisconsin,” he said in reference to what prompted him to change his mind about supporting legislation that would allow unions to forgo that pesky little detail called democracy (card check allows unions to be established in a work place with signatures on cards instead of secret ballot elections). “As a Federalist, what happened in Wisconsin made me realize that EFCA (the Employee Free Choice Act) was something that should be decided on the state level.”

So, does this represent a mature admission of error on McCotter’s part — or just a politically expedient “out” to reassure voters he wouldn’t be a president in the pocket of the unions? Lopez thinks it’s the former, writing, “No matter the timing, it’s good to hear he has realized that his past support was misguided, and his mea culpa puts him squarely in the camp of contenders (Tim Pawlenty) who have admitted they made mistakes in supporting some bad initiatives.”

Certainly, it’s refreshing to encounter a politician who will say explicitly he’s had it wrong in the past. How many strategists openly advised former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney to openly disavow RomneyCare, to admit plainly that it was ineffective? But why did McCotter think card check was a wise idea in the first place? Lopez has the answer to that one, as well:

I suspected then and still do today that he voted that way because his district is heavily blue and he needed to do so to represent his constituents and in doing so didn’t hurt the GOP because the measure didn’t have a chance of passing.

That sort of thing happens all the time in Congress, of course, and perhaps a case could be made that McCotter was right to prioritize his constituents’ concerns as he voted. But in general, such politically-motivated votes seem to me inexcusable, as the federal government is supposed to act in terms of what will benefit the country as a whole.

McCotter’s federalist argument and card check flip flop come as a welcome change — but I’m still a little wary and will certainly look to see confirming signs of this new mindset in Mr. McCotter as he mounts his campaign.

 


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Does he support card check for pets?

Mark1971 on July 2, 2011 at 6:21 PM

The EFCA — or “card check” — would, of course, have eliminated the secret ballot process, allowing unions to form as long as enough people sign cards saying they want a union.

I’m not sure this is accurate, Tina. Under the EFCA, the secret ballot process would not be “eliminated.” Presumably a secret ballot election would still be held if the union were to obtain a showing of interest (30%) but not a card majority.

crr6 on July 2, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Tina,

as a pro-labor Republican

they guy is pro-union, not labor

AshleyTKing on July 2, 2011 at 6:25 PM

I’m letting McCotter slide on this only because he’s as honest as the day is long.

katy on July 2, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Does he support card check for pets?

Mark1971 on July 2, 2011 at 6:21 PM

lol, I wouldn’t be surprised if that vote for a pet tax credit was just T-Mac’s way of mocking the current state of the tax code in general. Sounds like something he would do.

Daemonocracy on July 2, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Isn’t he supposed to announce today? I can’t find any information about it.

commodore on July 2, 2011 at 6:31 PM

I suspected then and still do today that he voted that way because his district is heavily blue and he needed to do so to represent his constituents and in doing so didn’t hurt the GOP because the measure didn’t have a chance of passing.

I interpret all of McCotter’s pro-union votes – including his vote for the auto bailout – in light of his district, a suburb of Detroit. He really couldn’t do otherwise and keep his job, and at least he’s a solid small govt free-market conservative in theory, and in practice as much as he can be. He voted against TARP and the stimulus, which many Republicans did not, even those with more conservative non-union constituents.

YehuditTX on July 2, 2011 at 6:31 PM

I like McCotter a lot, but I have serious reservations over his pro-union history. We’ll see.

flipflop on July 2, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Does he support card check for pets?

Mark1971 on July 2, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Having a cat with a heart murmur that has to have a $600 sonogram every 6 months, I kind of like that pet tax credit idea. But then again, I’m an Ellie Mae Clampitt conservative.

TxAnn56 on July 2, 2011 at 6:32 PM

here’s a secret. for those who glorify the flip-flops of Mitt and wallow in the DNC talking points about them…your candidate (should he or she start to lead) will be shown to do the same thing.

The game here is simple…the press will call Rs either extremists or flip-floppers. They are trying to mirror the Kerry business…if it worked for Bush they think, it will work for their beloved.

They already have tons of oppo research on each person…the only issue is timing and opportunity. Newt was a weak candidate so might as well knock him out early (with a little self-inflicted wounds). McCotter may be a funny guy on red eye…but release some of the flip flop stuff early, he’s going nowhere anyway.

Bachmann is already being oppo’d on the foster kids (they love the personal stuff…revenge for Cinton, Weiner, Edwards, etc. etc.)…especially the kids, they love to trash the kids.

Anyway..their point is simple…Rs are extreme flip floppers who would shame the country and take in an unknown direction where the elderly and the poor would die in the streets.

r keller on July 2, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Let’s look at it this way. He has NO chance of getting the nomination, so flip flopping won’t hurt him. So why is he getting in? A real reporter would make that the story.

Is he in it to get a cabinet position? To influence the debate? To build up name recognition for a run at Senator or Governor?

From the Free press via Reddogreport

U.S. Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, a five-term Republican from Livonia, told the Free Press on Friday he will not run in the race to challenge Stabenow, a Democrat, in her re-election campaign next year.

He said he wasn’t ready to commit to running against Stabenow right now but that waiting – “playing around like Hamlet,” is how he put it – wouldn’t be fair to the potential candidates who might run. Uncertainty about a McCotter campaign could hurt their efforts to gain ground in polls and raise money.

“That wouldn’t be cool,” said McCotter, who has been talked about in some conservative circles as an outside prospect to run for president.

So he won’t run against Stabenow, but he will run for President.

huckleberryfriend on July 2, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Whats more indicative of the real McCotter? His opinion when nobody was paying attention, or his opinion when he is under attack by conservatives during a run for the GOP nomination for President?
Even if its a genuine change of heart, Presidents don’t get do-overs.
NEXT!

Raisedbywolves on July 2, 2011 at 6:36 PM

I interpret all of McCotter’s pro-union votes – including his vote for the auto bailout – in light of his district, a suburb of Detroit
YehuditTX on July 2, 2011 at 6:31 PM

That along with his vote for the auto bailout is pandering to the unions. We already have one of those in the White House now. How’s that working out for ya?

Knucklehead on July 2, 2011 at 6:37 PM

I would expect someone from a heavily unionized and depressed state like Michigan to know more about the downside of excessive union power rather than less. He sounds like a nice guy, but not someone with enough smarts to be president in these challenging times.

pedestrian on July 2, 2011 at 6:42 PM

So he won’t run against Stabenow, but he will run for President.

huckleberryfriend on July 2, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Exactly.

Marcus on July 2, 2011 at 6:44 PM

I have to ask…

Who McWhatter?

Midas on July 2, 2011 at 6:48 PM

So he caved to organized labor, but as President he won’t be swayed by special interests that in sum are 100 times more powerful than unions.

Bugler on July 2, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Buh bye Thad. We hardly knew ya.

MJBrutus on July 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM

What’s wrong with being pro union in a private sector context?

Public employee unions should be banned, but unions in the private sector are a necessity in a number of industries.

rickyricardo on July 2, 2011 at 6:58 PM

He’s from DETROIT. His constituents come first — point.blank.period. How he would vote as a Representative for HIS district is NOT the same as he would govern as POTUS for the entire USA. To say otherwise is disingenuous, at best.

And yeah, I’d rather have a guy who can say: I was wrong than some one who backtracks & parses and says “I didn’t say that” blah, blah, blah. You can change your mind & it *not* be flip-flopping ala Mitt Romney.

And I’ll say it: his pet credit was sweet, if misguided, so get off it. As someone who currently has 4 rescues, they cost $$ & I think there would be a lot more people who would take one more rescue if they were eligible for a tax credit for the expenses. Furthermore, a tax credit isn’t the government giving you $$ — it is you keeping more of the $$ you earn instead of giving it to the government. I honestly don’t understand why some of you are trying to make this into such a big effing deal. It isn’t like he voted for the bailout.

Dark Star on July 2, 2011 at 7:10 PM

I gotta ask where in the world did this guy come out of the blue? We don’t have enough to deal with, jon, newt, and now him? How about Sarah or Perry? If I wasn’t so old and in not all that wonderul health, vote for L?
L

letget on July 2, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Umm Tina, his position is Romney’s position. Using this as leverage to attack Romney is nonsensical. McCotter isnt disavowing his pro-labor positions, but is just saying that he supports them on a state level. You celebrate McCotter flip flop and assertion of federalism, but you criticize Romney, who has stated health care is a states rights matter all along. Doesnt make any sense.

swamp_yankee on July 2, 2011 at 7:12 PM

This guy is toast. He’s an acceptable GOP House member but not presidential tender.

taney71 on July 2, 2011 at 7:14 PM

He’s from DETROIT. His constituents come first — point.blank.period. How he would vote as a Representative for HIS district is NOT the same as he would govern as POTUS for the entire USA. To say otherwise is disingenuous, at best.

Your point (well made) will fall on blind ears of the purists. Their fantasy candidate doesn’t exist, but that won’t keep them from their endless search and suicidal mission.

rickyricardo on July 2, 2011 at 7:14 PM

What happened to all the crazy talk about a House member will never be elected President? Does that only apply to Bachmann?

Knucklehead on July 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM

I always liked his appearances on RedEye…

Khun Joe on July 2, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Doesnt make any sense.

swamp_yankee on July 2, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Who claimed Romney’s positions make sense?

Dr Evil on July 2, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Who claimed Romney’s positions make sense?

Dr Evil on July 2, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Tenth Amendment makes sense to me.

swamp_yankee on July 2, 2011 at 7:21 PM

McCotter was for Card Check before he was against it? Sounds like another GOP Presidential “hopeful” who was born in Michigan.

bw222 on July 2, 2011 at 7:22 PM

Tenth Amendment makes sense to me.

swamp_yankee on July 2, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Romney uses whatever is convenient to explain his liberal positions in the past. And he needs an excuse to explain those positions he holds onto in the present. That’s not a strong conservative constitutionalist. That’s a career politician speaking out both sides of his mouth.

Dr Evil on July 2, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Scrutinizing ScrutinyTroopers Grand Quest of Scrutiny!!
(Snark).

canopfor on July 2, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Ok let’s look at McCotter’s actions in the House that did not involve “pandering” to his district:
Voted against TARP.
Voted against the stimulus.
Tried to dissolve the committee he chaired because it was redundant and wasted money.
Understands fiscal issues and can explain them, in fact I would say he is probably the only candidate who can explain Ryan’s plan besides Ryan.
Smacks Obama around on the floor of the House on a regular basis.

I don’t think he’ll win, but if you look at the total picture, he’s at least as much of a conservative as Bachmann and very smart and very well-informed and very eloquent.

Anyway there will be more debates and interviews and everyone will get to make up their minds with more information.

YehuditTX on July 2, 2011 at 7:27 PM

What happened to all the crazy talk about a House member will never be elected President? Does that only apply to Bachmann?

Knucklehead on July 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM

I live about 35 miles from McCotter’s district and was pretty much unaware of him until the auto bailout talks. He is running to gain name recognition for a 2012 senate run against Debbie Stabenow. He has no chance at the Presidency.

bw222 on July 2, 2011 at 7:29 PM

Dr Evil on July 2, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Yeah, we get it. Romney is a politician. Guilty. They all are. If you think your candidate isnt, your lying to yourself.

Perry is soft on immigration because he governs Texas. McCotter is soft on unions because he represents Greater Detroit. Bachmann had been soft on farm subsidies through because she represents southern Minnesota. Its not f*cking rocket science. Romney governed and represented the most liberal constituency in the country. You trying being a a “srong constitutionalist” in Massachusetts.

The purist arguments are just boring at this point.

swamp_yankee on July 2, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Interesting,on the bright and positive side,Team Right
will know every Political nook and cranny,of all Republican
nominees,for all to see,and yet,when it comes to Team Lefty,
the ever helpful MSM,will hide/cover/bury/google might de
lete it/of any information/facts on said Lefty candidates,
case in point,

the Failed Presidentcy of the Hopey/Changey,aka,Community
Organizational Crock Sh*t Distruber/Stirr’er!!
(sarc).

canopfor on July 2, 2011 at 7:37 PM

Breaking:

McCotter is a politician.

The real news is that he admitted a mistake — a refreshing rarity among the political class these days.

hillbillyjim on July 2, 2011 at 7:38 PM

I’m letting McCotter slide on this only because he’s as honest as the day is long.

katy on July 2, 2011 at 6:25 PM

He voted for it because he is from Michigan (UAW, etc.). Simple as that. No slide here.

Dasher on July 2, 2011 at 7:39 PM

swamp_yankee on July 2, 2011 at 7:34 PM

I am not making the purist argument. I am making the phony politician argument. Ole Mitt puts his finger in the wind to find out what the most popular position to take. Yeah he’s a brave guy- staunch defender of the constitituion/ John F Kerry couldn’t get elected as a New England Liberal, to the Presidency, why do you think Romney could?

Everything else you typed I agree with. There is no perfect candidate.

Dr Evil on July 2, 2011 at 7:39 PM

I live about 35 miles from McCotter’s district and was pretty much unaware of him until the auto bailout talks. He is running to gain name recognition for a 2012 senate run against Debbie Stabenow. He has no chance at the Presidency.

bw222 on July 2, 2011 at 7:29 PM

I have been aware of him for sometime, and I live in Texas so…your mileage may vary :) I don’t fault him anymore than Bachmann, aspiring to higher office. I think McCotter does belong in the US Senate. His talents are wasted in the House.

Dr Evil on July 2, 2011 at 7:41 PM

This guy is toast. He’s an acceptable GOP House member but not presidential tender.

taney71 on July 2, 2011 at 7:14 PM

What exactly is “presidential tender”?

hillbillyjim on July 2, 2011 at 7:42 PM

. He is running to gain name recognition for a 2012 senate run against Debbie Stabenow. He has no chance at the Presidency.

bw222 on July 2, 2011 at 7:29 PM

He say’s he’s not running for Senate against Stabenow.
Rep. Thad McCotter has put an end to some of the speculation surrounding his political future.

The Michigan GOP was hoping that he would challenge Debbie Stabenow in the Senate,

But on Saturday the Republican Congressman said that he will not run for her seat.

That was May 15, 2011.

Knucklehead on July 2, 2011 at 7:43 PM

He really couldn’t do otherwise and keep his job

That’s the “any means to an end” immorality of today! Do wrong because it works…

This thinking is but that of the left and Saul Alinsky’s “Any means to an end.” So don’t do what is right because you can keep your job? We just join the bad guys with our accepting that throwing principle our for pragmatism.

He lost my vote! Why believe a relativist -they’ll always disappoint you.

Don L on July 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM

I interpret all of McCotter’s pro-union votes – including his vote for the auto bailout – in light of his district, a suburb of Detroit. He really couldn’t do otherwise and keep his job …

Ah … then he’s just an unprincipled hack. OK.

…and at least he’s a solid small govt free-market conservative in theory

But when applying the theory, he just miserably falls short. I see.

… and in practice as much as he can be.

So he can keep his job… Got it.

He voted against TARP and the stimulus, which many Republicans did not, even those with more conservative non-union constituents.

Because he is a spineless RINO, just like the vast majority of them. Next you will be telling us it’s only because of peer pressure.

Thad can hit the road. His statement is politically expedient.

AZ_Redneck on July 2, 2011 at 7:47 PM

. You trying being a “strong constitutionalist” in Massachusetts.

The purist arguments are just boring at this point.

swamp_yankee on July 2, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Well Obama came out of Harvard Law School so I think that answers the question of what we can expect from a constitutional scholar out of Massachusetts. YES, I expect Republicans to be of a higher quality, if they are going to preach to the rest of us about returning to our constitutional roots. Mitt wants it both ways when it’s convenient, and when it’s not……..Well he can always stick his finger into the wind.

Dr Evil on July 2, 2011 at 7:47 PM

What exactly is “presidential tender”?

hillbillyjim on July 2, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Is that anything like a “chicken tender”, or is it more like “legal tender”? You lost me.

hillbillyjim on July 2, 2011 at 7:47 PM

I don’t think he’ll win, but if you look at the total picture, he’s at least as much of a conservative as Bachmann and very smart and very well-informed and very eloquent. . .

YehuditTX on July 2, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Eloquence is the one thing we are lacking throughout the Republican field—or the Democrat one, too, for that matter. Obambi was supposed to be ‘eloquent’, but in fact turned out to be an inarticulate dunderhead without his teleprompter. If Rep. McCotter can write a good speech, and speak with authority and clarity off-the-cuff, and is conservative to boot, I’ll take a look.

/Mr Lynn

MrLynn on July 2, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Don L on July 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM

I have listened to his explanation if GM and Chrysler closed there doors what would happen? That wouldn’t just effect how many Hundreds of Thousands of jobs in an economy, already sliding into a recession? He also stated, the auto industry such as it is – is what’s left of our manufacturing base. What do we make in this country anymore? The auto makers support the folks who sell parts too, like Auto Zone for example…it would have ripple effects. That said, I think they should have gone through bankruptcy, that’s what bankruptcy is for.

McCotter has given eloquent accounts of the unnecessary social shock, Americans are dealing with. He understand there are real people, losing jobs, and having their homes foreclosed on as we transition to a global economy. The middle class is taking the brunt of the current economical stagnation. The poor get taken care of by government, the rich can wait out the hard economical times….that leaves the middle class, that depend on jobs to survive.

Dr Evil on July 2, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Based on the numerous times I’ve seen him on Red-Eye, he’s probably had enough of the Congress. The best way to effect change (and to get a good post-government gig) is to work inside an administration. Being the former head of the former Department of Labor would be a valuable item on your resume

phreshone on July 2, 2011 at 8:01 PM

If Rep. McCotter can write a good speech, and speak with authority and clarity off-the-cuff, and is conservative to boot, I’ll take a look.

/Mr Lynn

MrLynn on July 2, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Go to McCotter’s YouTube channel. Ignore all the rock guitar shtick. There are clips of many of his speeches and interviews. You will see for yourself.

None of this is a substitute for correct policies and executive ability and electability, but it’s great to have in the campaign. I like the idea of him running if only because he’ll make the debates much more interesting and keep the other candidates on their toes.

YehuditTX on July 2, 2011 at 8:07 PM

He lost my vote! Why believe a relativist -they’ll always disappoint you.

Don L on July 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM

There is a difference between a relativist and a realist.

If those auto makers close down so do the dealerships they provided autos. The parts distributors. Not to mention the ripple effect felt through communities. Lost revenue, you can’t collect taxes on the unemployed nor can they pay their mortgages. You can’t tax GM the business if they had shut down US operations. We have had record foreclosures anyway, that effected banks and the credit industry. I think they should have gone through bankruptcy. Obviously whoever was lobbying our government on their behalf -talked them into a bailout. Remember GM is in the banking/credit business too.

Dr Evil on July 2, 2011 at 8:17 PM

This guy is toast. He’s an acceptable GOP House member but not presidential tender.

taney71 on July 2, 2011 at 7:14 PM

I wasn’t trying to be snide with my question. After looking at it again, I believe you were meaning to say “presidential timber”.

?

hillbillyjim on July 2, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Sorry, but if a guy can’t work out in his mind that Card Check is fodder for unions right out of the box, that’s a pretty sad statement.

Not worth looking twice at.

Murf76 on July 2, 2011 at 8:30 PM

What’s with the representatives wanting to be Pres?

Sort of like an LPN doing neurosurgery.

Ain’t gonna work.

stenwin77 on July 2, 2011 at 8:34 PM

I hope purity as an issue isnt going to be carried into the general so strongly that people help Obama get another term. Yeah, I would like the most conservative person out there but once the primary is over we need to get Obama out of office before he does more damage.

aikidoka on July 2, 2011 at 8:50 PM

I think if you’ll check, you’ll see he has far more pro-union votes than just card check. He also voted for the union pension bailouts and was a supporter of many other union bills.

Warner Todd Huston on July 2, 2011 at 9:01 PM

I think if you’ll check, you’ll see he has far more pro-union votes than just card check. He also voted for the union pension bailouts and was a supporter of many other union bills.

Warner Todd Huston on July 2, 2011 at 9:01 PM

But he also brings bills and votes and speaks in various venues on the necessity of lower taxes and less regulation and a free-market economy, and he supported Paul Ryan from Day One. And he speaks at Tea Party events. He is not a RINO.

He is also for better or worse a “shining city on a hill” conservative in the Reagan mold, which those of you who are more isolationist might not like. Me, I want to vote for someone who says things like this.

YehuditTX on July 2, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Fail

astonerii on July 2, 2011 at 9:19 PM

But he also brings bills and votes
YehuditTX on July 2, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Oh yes, this was brilliant/

A Four-Figure Tax Break For A Four-Legged Friend?

And I’m an animal lover, but really?

Knucklehead on July 2, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Hey, I’ll take a tax break any way it’s offered. But I’m sure Bachmann sponsored seemingly silly bills too, and all that is going to come out. We already know about Perry trying to mandate a vaccine, etc etc etc.

And as I said, McCotter advocates lower taxes and less regulation and a free-market economy, and he supported Paul Ryan from Day One, and he spoke at Tea Party events before it was fashionable.

in the coming year the electorate and the candidates will pick over each other’s dirty laundry and defend their own and we’ll see how it all shakes out.

YehuditTX on July 2, 2011 at 9:47 PM

I look forward to the debates. His dry humor is sure to amuse. I do not think he is a RINO. Pro-Union…not liking that but I do consider whom he represents. So far he is not my 1st,2nd or third pick.

IowaWoman on July 2, 2011 at 10:32 PM

I interpret all of McCotter’s pro-union votes – including his vote for the auto bailout – in light of his district, a suburb of Detroit
YehuditTX on July 2, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Then I guess being from his district disqualifies him from the presidency in my eyes. He won’t be getting my primary vote.

gryphon202 on July 2, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Hey, I’ll take a tax break any way it’s offered. But I’m sure Bachmann sponsored seemingly silly bills too, and all that is going to come out. We already know about Perry trying to mandate a vaccine, etc etc etc.

Hence why neither Perry nor Bachmann are my first choice.

And as I said, McCotter advocates lower taxes and less regulation and a free-market economy, and he supported Paul Ryan from Day One, and he spoke at Tea Party events before it was fashionable.

So did he do it out of sincere belief, or because he was smart enough to be able to tell what would be politically expedient in the age of Obama? Sorry, but “I’m not Obama” doesn’t cut it for me.

in the coming year the electorate and the candidates will pick over each other’s dirty laundry and defend their own and we’ll see how it all shakes out.

YehuditTX on July 2, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Couldn’t be more correct there. But I’m not going to assume that a politician is telling the truth only because they say — and sometimes even do — the right thing.

gryphon202 on July 2, 2011 at 10:53 PM

gryphon202 on July 2, 2011 at 10:51 PM

It’s called pandering to the union. We already have one of those in the White House.

Knucklehead on July 2, 2011 at 10:55 PM

It’s called pandering to the union. We already have one of those in the White House.

Knucklehead on July 2, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Exactly my thoughts, Knuck. I love all these McCotter supporters saying, “I’m considering the district he represents.” What would happen if McCotter campaigned on that? Can you imagine what the stump speeches would sound like?

Ladies and gentlemen, you know I voted for many pro-union bills, Card Check among them, during my time as a legislator. I want you to rest assured that I do believe they are very bad law, but I want you to consider my history of representation of a very union-heavy district. Had I not voted for those noxious bills, I most likely would be here before you today asking to vote for me in 2012 so that I can ensure that such laws as Card Check and another automotive bailout will never see print in the Federal Register!

McCotter/Romney 2012!

/UberSarc

gryphon202 on July 2, 2011 at 11:00 PM

gryphon202 on July 2, 2011 at 11:00 PM

Erm, “…most likely would NOT be here…” etc. etc.

gryphon202 on July 2, 2011 at 11:00 PM

gryphon202 on July 2, 2011 at 11:00 PM

I seriously don’t understand it. The only votes or attention he’s getting is from the “Red Eye” crowd I hope.

The hypocrisy in this thread is unreal and it appears we have a paid shill for McCotter making excuses for his candidate too.

But then we have unseen and a few other Palin supporters pushing this dude over Bachmann. I seriously don’t understand it.

Knucklehead on July 2, 2011 at 11:15 PM

But then we have unseen and a few other Palin supporters pushing this dude over Bachmann. I seriously don’t understand it.

Knucklehead on July 2, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Going into the primaries, my plan at this point is to vote for Palin, OR Bachmann, OR Cain, in that order. Palin is indeed my #1 pick. McCotter is not even on the radar for me. I’d like to make that perfectly clear. When you screw up like McCotter has, and then come pandering to me for a primary vote, you don’t get the benefit-of-the-doubt from me.

Of course, the above paragraph is strictly my opinion. To all my fellow posters and especially the McCotter supporters out there, your mileage may vary.

gryphon202 on July 2, 2011 at 11:19 PM

McCotter makes a good case when he explains his votes on some of these bailout bills. Problem is, I don’t want to bail out greedy, bloated unions, who are the ones partly, if not largely, responsible for(yes, govt regulation too) wrecking the auto industry. He says real union reform is taking place. In Michigan?

I’ve been listening to his appearances on Dennis Miller for almost 4 years now, and he’s terrific. On so many issues he’s spot on. I wouldn’t rule him out, but he’s low on my list.

Dongemaharu on July 3, 2011 at 1:10 AM

What’s with the representatives wanting to be Pres?

Sort of like an LPN doing neurosurgery.

Ain’t gonna work.

stenwin77 on July 2, 2011 at 8:34 PM

At least the LPNs finished school.

Dreadnought on July 3, 2011 at 1:22 AM

Tina,

as a pro-labor Republican

they guy is pro-union, not labor

AshleyTKing on July 2, 2011 at 6:25 PM

We had a POTUS who was a former Union president-Reagan.

He once said that forming a trade union was a basic human right.

Dreadnought on July 3, 2011 at 1:34 AM

When you screw up like McCotter has, and then come pandering to me for a primary vote, you don’t get the benefit-of-the-doubt from me.

gryphon202 on July 2, 2011 at 11:19 PM

Palin’s flip-flopped on a far more inmportant issue-AGW and regulating carbon emissions, yet you don’t have a problem with that?

http://gov.state.ak.us/admin-orders/238.html

9. the potential benefits of Alaska participating in regional, national, and international climate policy agreements and greenhouse gas registries;

10. the opportunities to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from Alaska sources, including the expanded use of alternative fuels, energy conservation, energy efficiency, renewable energy, land use management, and transportation planning;

Dreadnought on July 3, 2011 at 1:40 AM

We had a POTUS who was a former Union president-Reagan.

He once said that forming a trade union was a basic human right.

Dreadnought on July 3, 2011 at 1:34 AM

He was also the only president to my knowledge to fire striking union members en masse for violating the Taft-Hartley act. Fair or not, Reagan is remembered as a union buster.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 1:59 AM

Palin’s flip-flopped on a far more inmportant issue-AGW and regulating carbon emissions, yet you don’t have a problem with that?

Dreadnought on July 3, 2011 at 1:40 AM

Sack licking poll-o-philes sure jump on the federalism bandwagon to defend Romneycare, and yet it’s not a good enough reason for Sarah Palin to convene a committee to study if anthropogenic global warming is, in fact, actually anthropogenic?!

Spin away, spinmeister.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 2:02 AM

I’ve been listening to his appearances on Dennis Miller for almost 4 years now, and he’s terrific. On so many issues he’s spot on. I wouldn’t rule him out, but he’s low on my list.

Dongemaharu on July 3, 2011 at 1:10 AM

I would rule him out. Considering how many pro-union bills he’s voted for, if they were all mistakes on the level of card check, he’s none-to-bright. But if it was all political opportunism borne of the necessity of getting votes in his home district, how can you say he’s being honest here?

The only way to feel absolutely at-ease with McCotter is by defending him in ways that he hasn’t even attempted to defend himself. No thank you.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 2:04 AM

But then again, I’m an Ellie Mae Clampitt conservative.

TxAnn56 on July 2, 2011 at 6:32 PM

That made me laugh aloud. I am going to shamelessly steal it.

DrMagnolias on July 3, 2011 at 6:27 AM

We can’t afford these “mistakes”, we have had about 2 years of “mistakes”…

right2bright on July 3, 2011 at 8:06 AM

Is he Reagan?……..

…….if not keep moving.

No more Rockefellers, Fords, Doles or McCains.

PappyD61 on July 3, 2011 at 8:32 AM

Sorry, it may be shallow but one requirement for president these days would be a full head of hair. The guy looks too much like career villain (in the movies) Ed Lauter, Capt Knauer in the original The Longest Yard. Card check fan or not, he’ll have to also get past the chrome dome effect,

curved space on July 3, 2011 at 9:23 AM

I suspected then and still do today that he voted that way because his district is heavily blue and he needed to do so to represent his constituents and in doing so didn’t hurt the GOP because the measure didn’t have a chance of passing.

This is powerful vindication for conservatives who see little difference between the GOP and the Democraps. A guy like McCotter, who is so apparently conservative otherwise, voting for an anti-democratic, pro-union-thug bill like Card Check, is astonishing.

Sometimes I think the Republicans are just poseurs who think the best way to get elected is is pose for the right. They have no philosophical conservatism at all. In this issue, McCotter looks like Chuck Scummer.

Jaibones on July 3, 2011 at 9:27 AM

gryphon202 on July 2, 2011 at 11:00 PM

The most outspoken/loud Obama critic is Donald Trump, who freely admits he’s a union supporter. Why because he uses Union workers, when he builds something. Private sector Unions are not the same thing as Public section Unions. There is a difference. Painting all Union workers with the same broad brush shows a simplistic understanding of Union support in this country. After all McCotter’s district is full of Union workers, what would you like him to do? Not represent their interest? Does belonging to a Union, make a fellow American a non citizen so they don’t deserve representation?

Dr Evil on July 3, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Reagan is remembered as a union buster.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 1:59 AM

Well a deregulator anyway, which is what we really need for POTUS to get the economy producing again.

Dr Evil on July 3, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Is he Reagan?……..PappyD61 on July 3, 2011 at 8:32 AM

Ronald Reagan is gone we are going to have to rescue ourselves.

Dr Evil on July 3, 2011 at 9:53 AM

The most outspoken/loud Obama critic is Donald Trump, who freely admits he’s a union supporter. Why because he uses Union workers, when he builds something. Private sector Unions are not the same thing as Public section Unions. There is a difference. Painting all Union workers with the same broad brush shows a simplistic understanding of Union support in this country. After all McCotter’s district is full of Union workers, what would you like him to do? Not represent their interest? Does belonging to a Union, make a fellow American a non citizen so they don’t deserve representation?

Dr Evil on July 3, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Hey, I’m just expounding on why I’m not voting for McCotter. If he’s representing the interests of his constituents to the exclusion of America’s interests, which is exactly what that vote for Card Check was, he should feel secure enough to be able to explain himself. He hasn’t. At least not to my satisfaction.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM

He’s from DETROIT. His constituents come first — point.blank.period. How he would vote as a Representative for HIS district is NOT the same as he would govern as POTUS for the entire USA. To say otherwise is disingenuous, at best.

Your point (well made) will fall on blind ears of the purists. Their fantasy candidate doesn’t exist, but that won’t keep them from their endless search and suicidal mission.

rickyricardo on July 2, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Pragmatism -any means to an (unprincipled) end is the stuff og the left (Saul Alinsky) To accept that as a mode of operation is to be no better than they. Without principles we are them. Principles (or purism as you call it) are exactly what matters, pragmatism is jsut an excuse to do wrong.

That is not only the relativistic morality of today, but it is precisely what Pontious Pilate chose when he too, felt his job was under pressure – “kill Christ, don’t be a foolish pure-principled person and risk your job -idiot!”

Yeah sure…

Don L on July 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM

I’ve yet to encounter a single Republican candidate (or for that matter another human being) who embodies all of my beliefs and interests. Hell, even Reagan bailed out Chrysler–setting what could be the worst and costliest bad precedent in the nation’s modern history. The mere fact that McCotter has an actual philosophical foundation I can actually see, and appears to genuinely think about what he believes and says, still makes him stand out from the crowd. (I’ve no expectations that he’ll win the nomination, but I do rather like that he’s in the mix.)

Blacklake on July 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Your point (well made) will fall on blind ears of the purists. Their fantasy candidate doesn’t exist, but that won’t keep them from their endless search and suicidal mission.

rickyricardo on July 2, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Exactly. The alternative to a McCotter making concessions to unions in his district is a Democrat making the same (or worse) concessions to unions, and additionally rubber-stamping (or advocating) every depraved piece of neo-Marxist legislation that sloughs onto his desk. I know which evil I prefer.

Wars are not won all at once, but via a long series of battles. The extent to which the left understands this is the extent to which they’re succeeding at reducing us all to the status of federal serfs.

Blacklake on July 3, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Is he Reagan?……..

…….if not keep moving….
PappyD61 on July 3, 2011 at 8:32 AM

Reagan and Obama share the distinction of having bailed out Chrysler via feed from the federal trough. While I’m willing to believe that Reagan’s intentions weren’t to continue funding of the UAW Democrat political machine–while Obama’s were nothing but that–the end result is the same.

Reagan was a great president. Even great presidents can do the wrong thing. Don’t make the mistake of putting myths before men and judging the latter in terms of the former. Fantasies will always look better than reality, but reality is what you’ll have to endure.

Blacklake on July 3, 2011 at 11:23 AM

In terms of purity tests, being “Pro-Union” these days is the worst thing he could be. It’s worse than RomneyCare. Unions, especially Public Sector Unions are enemy #1 to the prowess of America going forward. If I was writing the GOP Platform, neutering Unions would be the very first thing on the list. Politicians, from Michigan or otherwise who play ball with Unions are persona non grata.

AYNBLAND on July 3, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Hey, I’m just expounding on why I’m not voting for McCotter. If he’s representing the interests of his constituents to the exclusion of America’s interests, which is exactly what that vote for Card Check was, he should feel secure enough to be able to explain himself. He hasn’t. At least not to my satisfaction.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM

If that were the case, how do you explain his vote against TARP? George W Bush asked his party, to vote yay for TARP, and John McCain did, I think that vote cost him the Presidency IMO. Look at how Senator Cornyn (R) is voting right now – he carried Bush’s water voted Yay for TARP, and he supports a lot of Obama’s positions. If I could, I would love to have an exchange with Michigan. They can take Cornyn, and give us McCotter. I voted against Cornyn when he was up for reelection in 2008, when he turned against Christine O’Donnell of his own party, in the Mid Term general election in Delaware, he just drove the point home he’s a RINO. McCotter isn’t a RINO. Obama did understand the anger of the Independent vote, leading up to the vote in November 2008. Many, Many Independents were angry over TARP being passed in September 2008. Bush pre socialized the economy for Obama. That’s what we are all living with to this day. It’s going to take someone with intelligence to undue the progressive agenda. McCotter is a conservative Republican no way could he be described as progressive.

Dr Evil on July 3, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Dr Evil, the loss of GM and Chrysler is a false flag, they could have filed Ch 11 and reorganized dropping their union cement boots, there are other ways that they probably could have gone also and still remained a car manufacturer. The government buying them out and leaving bond holders stuck was against established corporate law… but what is new when you put two outlaws together, unions and the union thugs in the WH.

rgranger on July 3, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Biden to Union Members: If You Vote Republican, Don’t Ask Me For Any Help This link from Fox News drives home my point. Every Union member is not necessarily going to vote Democrat. Vilifying a voting base, and alienating them is dumb politics.

Dr Evil on July 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Palin’s flip-flopped on a far more inmportant issue-AGW and regulating carbon emissions, yet you don’t have a problem with that?

Dreadnought on July 3, 2011 at 1:40 AM
Sack licking poll-o-philes sure jump on the federalism bandwagon to defend Romneycare, and yet it’s not a good enough reason for Sarah Palin to convene a committee to study if anthropogenic global warming is, in fact, actually anthropogenic?!

Spin away, spinmeister.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 2:02 AM

Nonsense. She hopped on the bandwagon just like Romney, Pawlenty, Etc.

Palin acknowledged that “many believe” a global effort to reduce greenhouse gases is needed.

“Simply waiting for low-carbon-emitting renewable capacity to be large enough will mean that it will be too late to meet the mitigation goals for reducing [carbon dioxide] that will be required under most credible climate-change models,” she warned
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/15/nation/na-palin15

She flip-flopped whether you want to face it or not.

Dreadnought on July 3, 2011 at 12:28 PM

She flip-flopped whether you want to face it or not.

Dreadnought on July 3, 2011 at 12:28 PM

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Then I trust you won’t be voting for her. And that’s okay. But what was at that link you put up, that’s pretty weak tea to get me to change my mind.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM

McCotter is a conservative Republican no way could he be described as progressive.

Dr Evil on July 3, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Look, I’m just asking McCotter to defend himself the same way you’re defending him. He won’t, because it would cost him a presidential election. We have enough Union sack lickers in office already, and quite frankly I don’t give a bare-a$$ed sh!t why McCotter voted the way he did. He voted, he voted wrong in my eyes, and I’m not voting for him. He’s not the only candidate who didn’t vote for TARP, and we can do better.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Vilifying a voting base, and alienating them is dumb politics.

Dr Evil on July 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Unions look out for unions. That’s not news. Thad McCotter looks our for unions. That’s not news either. Now that we have that established, it’s not a stretch at all to tell you that McCotter is not getting my vote. I’m sorry if that seems controversial or untoward to you.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 12:35 PM

She flip-flopped whether you want to face it or not.

Dreadnought on July 3, 2011 at 12:28 PM
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Then I trust you won’t be voting for her. And that’s okay. But what was at that link you put up, that’s pretty weak tea to get me to change my mind.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Talking about meeting “mitigation goals for reducing [carbon dioxide] that will be required under most credible climate-change models” is a hell of a lot farther down the AGW road than Romney went in his last AGW statement that he made, and that everyone (including me) hammered on him for.

Dreadnought on July 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Talking about meeting “mitigation goals for reducing [carbon dioxide] that will be required under most credible climate-change models” is a hell of a lot farther down the AGW road than Romney went in his last AGW statement that he made, and that everyone (including me) hammered on him for.

Dreadnought on July 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Ohhhh. Is that why Romney walked it back? Hmmm…/

I know that no one’s perfect. I know there are chinks in Sarah Palin’s electoral credibility. But I trust her. I do not trust McCotter. That’s simply my opinion, and your mileage may vary.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 1:30 PM

I know that no one’s perfect. I know there are chinks in Sarah Palin’s electoral credibility. But I trust her. I do not trust McCotter. That’s simply my opinion, and your mileage may vary.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Smile

Dr Evil on July 3, 2011 at 3:30 PM

He’s not the only candidate who didn’t vote for TARP, and we can do better.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Both of the Senators from Texas voted for TARP because George W Bush asked them to. Cornyn (R) and Hutchison (R). I know what a RINO looks like, and McCotter is no RINO.

He’s going to take a hit for supporting the Union members in his district. He had a choice to make. I think it wasn’t the attractive political decision to make at the time as far as the Republican conservative base is concerned. But his folks in his district who he represents, were going to get hammered hard with the failing economy – so he chose his constituents, over the popular position of NOT supporting an auto bailout. My position has never changed GM and Chrysler should have gone through bankruptcy…but those wall street cowboys, who shot themselves in the foot with derivatives, they weren’t having any of it, GM and Chrysler were too big to fail.

You are McCotter, and put in the same position, what do you do when your folks are counting on you? They are phoning you, emailing you, texting you, they are sending you smoke signals. They are scared, they are going to lose their jobs, houses, livelihoods, they have people who depend on them to keep roofs over their heads, and food on the table. McCotter tells them what? It’s the principle of the thing, if we can’t get the auto makers to go through bankruptcy, I have to vote against an auto bail out. Real people with real concern is where the rubber meets the road. McCotter had to make a call and he did….I might add it was thought through, and decisive, he didn’t wait months after a committee prepared a report for him to make up his mind….unlike the way our current President makes his decisions. Or Romney for that matter who waits to see what the consensus is, and picks what he thinks is the popular position. I already made my case for what I would have done – bankruptcy, we have that option in this country, and that’s what GM and Chrysler should have done, gone through bankruptcy. Of course I can take the principled position. I don’t answer to anyone. I don’t hold public office. Monday morning quarterbacking is such a fun past time.

Dr Evil on July 3, 2011 at 3:55 PM

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