Hot new meme: Did Obama make the recession worse, or did he merely preside over a brutally horrible economy?
posted at 9:35 pm on July 1, 2011 by Allahpundit
So this is their counter-messaging on the seminal issue of the 2012 election, huh? “Yes, after three years of Obama, the economy’s unspeakably terrible — but he didn’t actually make it worse.”
Not completely crazy. But pretty darned crazy.
Romney expanded on that thought on Monday, again from New Hampshire:
“The people of New Hampshire have waited long enough. They want to see good jobs. They want to see rising incomes. They want to see an economy that’s growing again, and the president’s failed. He did not cause this recession, but he made it worse.”
But on Thursday, when questioned by an NBC producer why he believes the Obama polices have hurt the America’s financial recovery, Romney did some back-tracking.
“I didn’t say that things are worse,” Romney said, speaking in front of the boarded-up Allentown Metal Works, a steel plant Obama once highlighted as benefiting from the stimulus.
You nailed him, guys. In the great game of assessing just how ruinous Obama’s policies have been for America’s economy, from the catastrophic new debt to the wild overestimation of how much effect the stimulus would have on unemployment, you’ve got Mitt Romney dead to rights on whether The One’s merely a disaster or a total, unmitigated disaster. GDP has grown — slightly. Unemployment is down — slightly, to 9.1 percent. At a moment when 94 percent of voters have a negative view of economic conditions, Romney will have a hard time walking away from this crash landing.
Coming soon: Did Obama cause the entitlements crisis, or did he merely prolong it to a catastrophic degree by completely abdicating his leadership on the issue?
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Well, y’know, as we draw closer to the election, it’s going to get more and more cumbersome for Romney to just come out and confess what a fantastic President he thinks Obama is… and why it’s just such a darn shame that he should take Obama’s place in the Oval Office…
Jeddite on July 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM
So, Obama made the economy worse but things are not worse. Enough with the double speak, just grow a pair already, Mitt.
Rambotito on July 1, 2011 at 9:39 PM
This is the biggest nonsense that I have ever seen. that liberals are actually highlighting this is pretty crazy…
Chudi on July 1, 2011 at 9:39 PM
Do you have the 7 second dump ready? Good.
Now let me tell you about Obama…
Electrongod on July 1, 2011 at 9:40 PM
* SIGH * ….I wish I knew where Mitt stood ….on something, anything, Boxers or briefs even
Aggie95 on July 1, 2011 at 9:40 PM
Turn out the lights, the fat lady has sung and left the stage.
Adios Mittens.
Knucklehead on July 1, 2011 at 9:41 PM
Mitt Romney, Obama’s new VP?
PattyJ on July 1, 2011 at 9:42 PM
GDP has grown slightly – only if you believe the numbers coming out of the 0bama regime.
And they would never lie to you.
Never.
Rebar on July 1, 2011 at 9:42 PM
Romney’s job is apparently to make sure Obama wins a second term.
Warner Todd Huston on July 1, 2011 at 9:42 PM
It is a simple, very very simple one or two sentences.
Every other recession, under every other President and their policies, has recovered faster and stronger than this recession under President Obama and his policies. History says our economy today should be vastly better than it is, that says something about the leadership of President Obama.
astonerii on July 1, 2011 at 9:42 PM
This isn’t gonna hurt Mittens. But it does reinforce at least for me the question I have about whether he has the stones to take it to Obama and the media.
If the drive-bys are gonna lob you a hanging pitch like that, you simply reply with the higher unemployment rate, the anemic GDP which pales in comparison to other recoveries, the squandred $830 billion in stimulus money, the massive $1.5 trillion annual deficits, and the reckless printing of trillions leading to inflationary food and gas prices.
Man up, Mittens. Or fight like a girl, as Palin says. But stop backing away because you’re afraid the media is trying to parse your words or catch you in a lie.
Doughboy on July 1, 2011 at 9:42 PM
When your only argument is “don’t blame me because failure was inevitable,” you are pretty much screwed.
Ted Torgerson on July 1, 2011 at 9:42 PM
True, it’s not a major gotcha, but Mittens is especially vulnerable to accusations of flip floppery.
OhioCoastie on July 1, 2011 at 9:43 PM
Rambotito,
Maybe he could ask Hillery to borrow the one she has that obama is not using
Aggie95 on July 1, 2011 at 9:43 PM
According to Special Report- the question asked of Romney today was about the stock market. When he said “I didn’t say he made it worse” he was speaking specifically about the market.
BKeyser on July 1, 2011 at 9:46 PM
These statements are consistent.
But the Dems will not want to discuss it at any rate due to the subject matter.
For example…
Well, He made the situation worse because..
I din’t say that things are worse than the day of the crash but after spending $800 million…
IlikedAUH2O on July 1, 2011 at 9:46 PM
He’s absolutely made it worse, the EPA and his energy policies have crippled the US for 3 to 4 years after he’s gone in 2012.
MJZZZ on July 1, 2011 at 9:47 PM
I can tell already that Mitt is going to follow the McCain playbook and not attack Obama. And as soon as the general starts Mitt will wither under constant attacks and be on perpetual defense. He must not be the nominee.
Kataklysmic on July 1, 2011 at 9:49 PM
2008: Hope and change
2012: He didn’t make it worse
Mark1971 on July 1, 2011 at 9:51 PM
What the hell is Mitt even doing? He cannot possibly be serious with this kind of twaddle tumbling out of his pie-hole. For God’s sake, man, say what you mean and stand by it!!
CantCureStupid on July 1, 2011 at 9:53 PM
If that’s correct, then this whole article is a red herring.
HalJordan on July 1, 2011 at 9:56 PM
We need much more than Romney. He flops around like a fish on the ground, is the epitome of a RINO and constantly forgets to engage his brain before he puts his mouth in gear. The advantage Romney has is his massive amount of money.
rplat on July 1, 2011 at 9:58 PM
Remove the malignancy
from the White House in 2012
(if not sooner)
HalJordan on July 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM
Let’s stop talking about unemployment and start talking about the size of the work force for people who are between 18-65.
jeffn21 on July 1, 2011 at 10:00 PM
Making a speech in front of the closed plant was brilliant and effective, until he wouldn’t stfu and started backpedaling…
Jebus….grab your sack and tell the fricking truth Mitt,
Tim Zank on July 1, 2011 at 10:00 PM
There’s a certain delight for me, knowing that Mitt is spending a fortune to gain nothing except for loss of face.
ericdijon on July 1, 2011 at 10:03 PM
-From the Gateway Pundit
Dick is a loser.
CW on July 1, 2011 at 10:04 PM
“palm to forehead”
wow, mitt.
dude needs to get a pair of f’ing testicles or some actual conservative values.
rickyricardo on July 1, 2011 at 10:07 PM
Obama is SO beatable, but as I look at the GOP crowd, I’m afraid he will get a 2nd term.
Tasha on July 1, 2011 at 10:07 PM
HEY MITT:
ATTACK OBAMA YOU STUPID M’F'r
rickyricardo on July 1, 2011 at 10:08 PM
I’m not a Romney supporter, but I did see the Special Report segment about it this evening. Here’s the video. Maybe this is spin, maybe not, but you definitely don’t here the question in the video embedded above.
BKeyser on July 1, 2011 at 10:12 PM
Obama is still making it worse. Push that point home and never let up until Obama is defeated.
DAT60A3 on July 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM
Inflation, Money Supply, GDP, Unemployment and the Dollar – Alternate Data Series
Rae on July 1, 2011 at 10:17 PM
Yes, if you apply a child-like understanding of the nation’s near economic collapse in 2008 and ignore the precedent of the Great Depression, then you’d be accurate.
bayam on July 1, 2011 at 10:21 PM
Romney is reverting back to Romney. Think if they asked Sarah Palin that question she’d back off? Do you remember any Democrat backing off when Bush had a decent economy and the Democrats were telling the world how terrible 3-1/2 percent growth was?
Bring on the real conservatives because Obama is going to have to be challenged by people willing to challenge him and not back down. The sycophant press is going to do all it can to help. Do you, for one single minute, think they would ask this question of a Democrat???
Vote Republican and only be called a racist one more time.
bflat879 on July 1, 2011 at 10:28 PM
Romney? Fork him, he’s done. Never had a real shot.
RandyChandler on July 1, 2011 at 10:30 PM
Mitt accidentally shot a fish in a barrel.
pedestrian on July 1, 2011 at 10:33 PM
We need to give Barry a second term because Bush ruined his first one. It’s not fair!
Also, he should get a third term, as well, for the same reason.
Kensington on July 1, 2011 at 10:34 PM
Every two sentence argument on something this complex must by definition be child-like. He would not be able to go into long detailed analysis of several paragraphs in length. It is not like he is performing in a movie, he is talking to primarily progressive liberal media personalities who will cut him short and edit things down to make it look as bad as possible. The more words, the more editing.
astonerii on July 1, 2011 at 10:44 PM
..hey, waddaya ‘spect? It’s a Friday night news dump.
I was going to vote for Romney — spare the lectures — but things like this are poisoning the well. At present, I am an anyone but Obama and the person I want will need to go after that piece of crap with a machete (figuratively speaking, of course). If Mittens is not to have blood dripping from his fangs, then I’ll be rooting (and working) for someone else.
..C’mon Rick!
The War Planner on July 1, 2011 at 10:46 PM
its odd how so many commenters agree with the media/Obama about Mitt. Rick Klein (a 20 something ABC “pundit”) was on FNC talking the DNC talking points about how Mitt is really vulnerable on this stuff, and how, yeah, maybe it is a little thing…but it is the narrative that counts.
Odd how the same things come up on this blog. Mitt is probably the best we have…sorry to break the news. So if you want 4 more years, go ahead…take the lead of the DNC and trash Mitt.
r keller on July 1, 2011 at 11:01 PM
In what ways? I do not see him as superior in any respect what so ever.
He can raise more money as a primary candidate?
He can flip faster than any other candidate?
He is more physically attractive? Better hair?
What exactly is he better at than all the rest of the candidates, because it certainly is not policy positions.
astonerii on July 1, 2011 at 11:14 PM
Guilty on both counts…
Barack has taken the mess that the 2006 Democrat Congress (of which he was a member) gave him and made it a lot worse. The primary thing that is preventing things from getting better is the Obamacrat’s control the Senate…
drfredc on July 1, 2011 at 11:28 PM
No, but it came because of the policies of fellow Democratic National Socialist Committee members – FDR who instituted Social Security and LBJ who put in place “The Great Society” and Medicare.
Not to mention his own upcoming entitlement disaster: Obamneycare
Chip on July 1, 2011 at 11:37 PM
Projecting again?
Chip on July 1, 2011 at 11:39 PM
That some people are even seriously considering this Democrat-lite loser is just… wake me when 2012 is over.
Yakko77 on July 1, 2011 at 11:49 PM
So the Romney camp have studied The Obama Administration and they what? Like what they see?
Mitt you are standing too close to the President, step back get a look at the bigger picture. If you want to win like Obama did in 2008, you would have to run against George W Bush – FYI he’s still not running. If this appears insane, that Mitt the wouldbe Republican nominee, would mimic Obama “I will redistribute your wealth” it’s because it is insane. It’s not an accident, Team Romney’s off their rocker.
Dr Evil on July 1, 2011 at 11:52 PM
Romney’s a dick.
unclesmrgol on July 1, 2011 at 11:54 PM
He abdicated nothing; he exacerbated the entitlement problems by orders of magnitude with Obamacare, and there’s no way in hell he didn’t know it would break the bank unless he is stupider than dirt. Cloward/Piven is alive and well.
hillbillyjim on July 1, 2011 at 11:54 PM
Well, if that is true, I guess we might as well take the strychnine now, and avoid the lingering agony, because we are entirely screwed and without hope.
LegendHasIt on July 2, 2011 at 12:03 AM
Issues? I guess you disagree with these?
Lower taxes on businesses to keep America competitive in the global economy
Slash bureaucratic red tape and place a hard cap on the impact that federal regulations can have on the economy
Limit the corrosive influence of union bosses on productive businesses
As President, Mitt Romney will facilitate the exploration and development of conventional fossil fuels, remove the regulatory hurdles that prevent the construction of nuclear power plants, and address market failures that prevent the adoption of new technologies.
Now does he give me all the red meat I’d like to hear…no, but wasn’t it Reagan that said something about 80 percent?
r keller on July 2, 2011 at 12:07 AM
Nor, despite his glib tongue, did he and his cronies make it any better.
That’s one hell of a record to run on. I PROMISED YOU THE MOON AND GAVE YOU NOTHING. But hey! I’ve got a neat airplane to take my wife on dates!
GarandFan on July 2, 2011 at 12:12 AM
They have been saying this from the beginning, but I can see the 0bama campaign ads for the second half of 2012 now:
So few people, even ‘educated’ ones have no actual knowledge of actual economics, that such a claim could work to give 0bama enough votes if we put a another weasel on the top of our ticket.
LegendHasIt on July 2, 2011 at 12:13 AM
Bob Dole the second. He will get punked by Obama in the debates because he won’t attack him.
Hummer53 on July 2, 2011 at 12:43 AM
Mitt Romney is an accident just not waiting to happen.
Immolate on July 2, 2011 at 12:51 AM
But he did make it worse! $800 billion spent on stimulus, with no results. Unemployment up, and a slow, anemic recovery. Why can’t Romney JUST ARTICULATE THESE SIMPLE FACTS?
P.S. Saying Romney is Bob Dole II is a disservice to Bob Dole. From this current spineless maneuvering, Romney seems more like John McCain. Full disclosure: I supported John McCain (war hero, quality of the opposition, etc.) but now deeply regret it. “My honorable colleague” works in the Senate, but it’s not at all appropriate for the campaign trail.
HTL on July 2, 2011 at 12:52 AM
Romney – hopefully soon going the way of the dodo-Newt.
Paradox Drive on July 2, 2011 at 12:53 AM
Things are worse. We wasted massive amounts of real capital on nothing.
AshleyTKing on July 2, 2011 at 1:07 AM
“As President, Mitt Romney will facilitate the exploration and development of conventional fossil fuels, remove the regulatory hurdles that prevent the construction of nuclear power plants, and address market failures that prevent the adoption of new technologies.”
color me sceptical
at best
the more Romney talks and sort of thinks, the more I think of bongo the president
no thanks for this chump
SP/AW
Sonosam on July 2, 2011 at 1:08 AM
In the last few months I’ve become increasingly comfortable with something that may be a probability: President Romney.
Mister Mets on July 2, 2011 at 1:09 AM
^^^^^^^^^^
you are kidding right?
Sonosam on July 2, 2011 at 1:13 AM
And this limp doofus is the “frontrunner”????
Danny on July 2, 2011 at 1:21 AM
Allah- check out ace’s full quote from Romney before the snark makes you look foolish. Why trust msnbc to give the full quote? Ace caught the shall we say nuanced trap that romney didn’t walk into
drballard on July 2, 2011 at 1:22 AM
Hemming and tpawing is the same as voting “Present”, Mitt…
Gohawgs on July 2, 2011 at 2:42 AM
Well, in tracking where the $ went, we did discover some previously unknown Congressional districts…
Gohawgs on July 2, 2011 at 2:44 AM
Regarding the election:
can he carry the red states in the South and Midwest better than others? can he capture some swing Rust Belt states better than others? can he flip some blue New England states better then others?
can he lose the popular vote less badly than others?(sorry)Regarding Governance:
can he help get government’s blood-sucking proboscii out of the taxpayers’ veins better than others? can he roll back the Obama agenda that hasn’t yet been enacted better than others? can he inspire other strong conservatives to carry the fight to thelibs/progressives better than others?
I’m seriously asking. If the answers to these questions are YES, let’s support him. But if they are NO, why are we having this conversation?
rwenger43 on July 2, 2011 at 4:16 AM
Romneycare. You know the Democrats are your true home.
Slowburn on July 2, 2011 at 4:18 AM
Every time I read or hear about the recession and the lack of recovery I always wonder what caused the recession in the first place. I am not here to defend G.W. but I will say there is no such thing as a Bush recession. Obama did not inherit a failed economic policy from Bush. In reality Obama inherited a failed liberal agenda that caused the housing market and the economy to tank. Anyone who spends an hour to see what happened knows that fannie and freddie caused the collapse of the housing market.
Every time some liberal blames the current economic crisis on Bush a conservative needs to call them a liar and set the record straight.
TomLawler on July 2, 2011 at 4:23 AM
Mitt Romney the nominee? I’d withdraw from politics and certainly sites like this. I’d give the debates the same attention I gave the Obama Inauguration: not two seconds. I’d feel helpless and hopeless, without a Tea Party 3rd candidate.
Marcus on July 2, 2011 at 6:32 AM
I guess this goes to where we are measuring from. Presumably, we are marginally better off today than at the very bottom of the recession (though that could be debatable), as the real damage Obama has done is in preventing recovery while mitigating a few of the symptoms.
I can’t really attack Romney on this one, other than to say its weak.
Count to 10 on July 2, 2011 at 7:53 AM
What you clearly don’t understand is that we just replicated the actions of the Great Depression, not avoided it.
Count to 10 on July 2, 2011 at 7:59 AM
The Rahm-ney man didn’t flip flop, you must understand that his attempts as such things are just windows into his genius. Having claimed the mantle of AGW warrior, he is now showing us that the breeze from his rapid flip-flops are designed to cool the dangerously heating planet.
Stop Anrmaggedon now! Vote for the flip flop man!
Don L on July 2, 2011 at 8:08 AM
Mitt Rohmneys job is clear to all. He is that third party candidate that throws the election to the left -only this time -the spoiler is the lead GOP candidate.
Take himm out now! That means you-Krauthammer, Coulter, Zeigler, Rove, the RNC and company-leave Sarah alone long enough to preserve our nation. Don’t protect your veto power-use it wisely or you will lose it, forever, this time.
You will be understood to be working for the establishment and therefore worthless to freedom lovers everywhere- nothing but a free-range NSMBC or worse.
Don L on July 2, 2011 at 8:18 AM
What a wimp! He’s afraid to separate the Won as an affirmative action minority from his politics and policies. He doesn’t want to be called a racist. What’s he going to do when if he’s president, a Muslim calls him biased against Islam? We can’t have another rino republican president.
Kissmygrits on July 2, 2011 at 8:36 AM
He is north east progressive liberal to the bone. He may say some correct things, but when the rubber meets the pavement, he governs as a north east liberal. So no, he cannot.
Not really, he offers the same failed policies that Obama will run on in spades. What is the point of voting for progressive light that will give you slightly less welfare?
No, here again, the choice is full bore progressive that they like and progressive light, which is weaker, they will go with the full flavor version.
Do not rightly care. This is why we are a republic and not just simply a mob of democracy.
can and would are two seperate things. He does not have the heart to fight hard to accomplish the goal, and he does not have the philosophy to understand that we must accomplish the goal. He might accomplish it with a veto proof republican majority in congress.
can and would are different again. He could do that, but he agrees with most of what Obama has done, so why would he? He may lip the words, but never feel them, and the second the last votes are counted, Romney will consider the fat lady to have sung.
Probably would get the result, but would actually be on the side of the progressives in fights. He would side so often with the progressives that the strong conservatives would be our only voice, nothing from the oval office inspiring the people like back in reagan days.
Romney should be running against Obama, but in the primary, not the general. There is nothing he offers the Republicans other than another failed PR run a la George Bush and his compassionate progressive liberal conservatism that got the republicans kicked out of favor faster than cheetah on crack.
astonerii on July 2, 2011 at 8:56 AM
Romney’s only firm stand is for Romneycare. Done. Next.
SurferDoc on July 2, 2011 at 8:56 AM
Twitt Romney.
mr.blacksheep on July 2, 2011 at 9:09 AM
I keep telling you all that Mitt is a liberal idiot. How much proof do you need?
Never fear he will provide a lot more.
He’s all washed up and he knows it.
dogsoldier on July 2, 2011 at 9:16 AM
Can you spell R I N O!! I will not be talked into holding my nose this time if this dude is the GOP ticket. I’d rather stay home and shovel out the cat box.
We do have some decent choices: Bachmann, Cain. Let’s NOT allow the media to select our candidate this time.
katablog.com on July 2, 2011 at 10:58 AM
The thought that Romney is the best we have is way too depressing, and 100% wrong.
Romney does not instill the confidence that he will fight for anything conservative, or even anything different from Obama.
I believe voters in 2012 will not be compelled to vote for someone who is wishy-washy, weak, and with no defined plan.
MississippiMom on July 2, 2011 at 10:59 AM
More and more Romney is proving my impression of him in 08. Just too slick. He tries too hard to mold himself to the audience of the day without a single harcore conviction. The more he talks the less I know who he is, where he stands and what he believes in. I am so weary of these feckless Republicans like Romney. How does continuous flip-flopping, diluted messagaging and shamless pandering to the audience of the day put you in the lead? Pitiful.
Mr A on July 2, 2011 at 11:27 AM
Once again, Me-Too-Mitt doesn’t know where the hell to stand. Pathetic.
SKYFOX on July 2, 2011 at 11:27 AM
Join me and vote Obama as protest. I am sick of “electable” republican arguments. I will make them completely unelectable if I can.
astonerii on July 2, 2011 at 11:38 AM
Now I remember why I lost it with Mitt last time. He actually doesn’t want us to vote for him (or if we do we must do it quietly). I’m not sure what his strategy is unless it is to make himself palatable to those liberals who (quietly) admit that Obama has been an unMITTigated disaster. One question for anyone — have so many GOP candidates ever committed political hari kari this soon in a presidential campaign?
prairiemain on July 2, 2011 at 12:26 PM
You won’t have to work hard with Mitt there. He is the #1 most incompetent Republican politician. Obama would dance around this Ken-doll.
Marcus on July 2, 2011 at 12:43 PM
The flipflopper strikes again. And very weak spin by allah trying to downplay the flipflop.
unseen on July 2, 2011 at 1:00 PM
Stick it in your ditty bag.
I’ve been round the block too many times for this nonsense. Romney isn’t merely a loser, he’s the quintessential loser — a composite of all the inadequacies, timidities, insipid stratagems and psychological patterns of the RINO loser. If we haven’t figured this much out by now we don’t deserve to win and we don’t deserve America. But we have figured it out. Too many have. That’s the thing. There’s no going back. If, however, by some strange nightmare turn of events, this mountebank wins the nomination, I — along with millions of others I’m confident to speculate — will dump the Republican party like a bad habit and either sit out the election or work my as* off for a third party, and otherwise dedicate my political energies to the complete marginalization if not ruin of the GOP. I’m played out.
rrpjr on July 2, 2011 at 1:33 PM
Good God, I hope this guy isn’t the nominee. I *really* don’t want to be forced to vote for him.
hachiban on July 2, 2011 at 2:34 PM
Any one who thinks Mitt is the best of the pack is a useful tool for the DNC. He’s their dream candidate for the same reason he’s The Frontrunner, he’s the quintessential unprincipled Republican.
rcl on July 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM
McCain waited until he found out he was running against Obama before committing hari kari. It started with the failed attempt to ruin his chances by Picking Palin and then converted to the position of destroying Palin to ensure his loss. He then was forced to suspend his campaign in order to get this, decide to back the already existing and voted on bill that destroyed what was left of the morale of the conservative base. Eh, McCain, the war “hero”, the very last time I ever contemplate staying home when it is a RINO, from now on, I will just vote for the other side and a pox on all of us.
astonerii on July 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM
Romney had it right… then he let ‘thinking’ about the PC of it all trip him up. The question is “will he learn from this?”
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My guess… NO.
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RalphyBoy on July 2, 2011 at 5:51 PM
Romney is from Massachusetts: the BEST he can be is a “moderate Democrat”!!!
He is NOT a conservative and NOT a Republican: he is a poser being used to pollute and screw up the 2012 field.
landlines on July 2, 2011 at 6:13 PM
The definition of insanity is doing the same things and expecting different outcomes. Any one voting for Romney is insane.
Herb on July 3, 2011 at 2:09 PM
Romney is following McCain’s campaign practices and is doomed to lose the primary. The people are tired of this idea of treating Obama like he is such a true American; challenge him and yes he made the recession worse!
The president is a part of his mother with her hatred of the West, the communist influence of his mentor Frank Marshall Davis and Bill Ayers and his early years living in Indonesia. He has NO American culture built into his brain. While he is a citizen and native born American, he is not really an American in thought and belief. He is an unintended Manchurian Candidate for socialism and the destruction of the American culture and the 53 percenters bought it.
amr on July 3, 2011 at 8:16 PM