Hot Air Candidate Survey: Fourth of July Weekend Edition

posted at 8:45 am on July 1, 2011 by Patrick Ishmael

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I wonder if Michele’s letter was sprayed with purfume like Huntsman’s letter?

Punchenko on July 1, 2011 at 7:22 PM

I don’t know we should compare the Thank you note to Obama admin with the one she penned to request a pardon from Bush for a convicted money launderer, firearm and drug dealer who gave her campaign 27,000

Bachmann may also be plagued by her involvement in a controversial pardon. In 2007, Bachmann wrote a letter requesting a presidential pardon for a convicted drug-smuggler and money-launderer named Frank Vennes. Vennes was convicted of money laundering in 1988 and pleaded no contest to a cocaine and weapons charge. Making matters worse, he and his wife donated a total of $27,600 to Bachmann’s 2006 and 2008 election.

oh and just so people don’t think I’m just dumping on Bachmann. timmy was involved too:

Pawlenty has refused to respond to repeated requests for explanations of his relationship with Frank Vennes or his role in Vennes’ pardon request.

By 2001, (Vennes) also began donating to political candidates and parties in earnest, including Tim Pawlenty, Michele Bachmann, Norm Coleman, Mark Kennedy, Amy Klobuchar, the Minnesota House Republican Campaign Committee and the Republican Party of Minnesota.

Vennes and his family donated a total of $10,000 to Pawlenty’s gubernatorial campaign in 2002.

In late 2002 just weeks after he was elected, Pawlenty, along with Coleman and former Minnesota GOP State Chair Ron Ebensteiner, sought a presidential pardon for Vennes in a December 20 letter Coleman sent to “President George W. Bush c/o Mr. Karl Rove.”

unseen on July 1, 2011 at 7:32 PM

MN isn’t NY, CA or DE. It has elected GOP senators quite recently. She should be able to come close to even in that state if she’s at all good at finding areas of agreement between Dems and GOPers. And if she can’t, she’d be a disastrous president.

alwaysfiredup on July 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM

If you are going to insist that a state poll is a good indicator of a national poll, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

csdeven on July 1, 2011 at 7:32 PM

And rather than take the case to the voters, she took a vote of her family and they said “4ell yeah!”, and she quit.
csdeven on July 1, 2011 at 6:32 PM
Take what “case” to the voters?…
Gohawgs on July 1, 2011 at 7:06 PM

yep, that’s pure hallucination there

24/7 • (what does axlerod pay?) +-$3.00=$72 a day

now I get it

Sonosam on July 1, 2011 at 7:34 PM

now I get it

Sonosam on July 1, 2011 at 7:34 PM

think Mitt not axlerod and you would be right.

unseen on July 1, 2011 at 7:40 PM

It’s no mitt supporter

this attention whore astroturfer is a bongo operative

mitt or backmann get us that

Sonosam on July 1, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Sonosam on July 1, 2011 at 7:47 PM

just going by his actions. he is in every Mitt thread defending him.

unseen on July 1, 2011 at 7:53 PM

But I notice that Bachmann has been angling to try to get the Tea Party behind her. Is that because she has been planning for several years now to run for president, and knew her previous background getting elected to one Congressional district was not broad enough, so she’s trying to get the support of the Tea Party?

didymus on July 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Bachmann glommed on to the TEA Party it didn’t go looking for her. Bachmann is chasing after the TEA Party and the TEA Party is chasing after Sarah…

CCRWM on July 1, 2011 at 8:30 PM

I could go, but I’ll stop now.

Knucklehead on July 1, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Too bad that Romney, Bachmann, Pawlenty, Cain, Santorum, Johnson, Perry, Gringrich etc don’t have a major site like C4P and 4 big sites like Texans for Palin, O4P, CA4P PalinTV and somewhere near 50 ancilliary sites dedicated to them…then the supporters who would populate those sites could be told about the poll too… but alas, they don’t exist because there aren’t nearly the same amount of supporters and obvioulsy nothing close to the enthusiasm…

CCRWM on July 1, 2011 at 8:50 PM

CCRWM on July 1, 2011 at 8:50 PM

All those sites haven’t helped Palin very much. She cam in 5th in the latest Fox News poll.

NickDeringer on July 1, 2011 at 9:00 PM

CCRWM on July 1, 2011 at 8:50 PM
All those sites haven’t helped Palin very much. She cam in 5th in the latest Fox News poll.

NickDeringer on July 1, 2011 at 9:00 PM

We Palinistas aren’t worried… we feel confident that if she runs, she will knock everyone else out. You on the other hand are hyperventilating about her on every thread about her possible run! What are you so worried about?

You don’t see Palinistas saying anyone should stay out of the race …we highlight problems with candidates but we aren’t getting hyterical because they are in the race…

CCRWM on July 1, 2011 at 9:11 PM

All those sites haven’t helped Palin very much. She cam in 5th in the latest Fox News poll.

NickDeringer on July 1, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Probably not. But if she announced her candidacy tomorrow, she’d probably leapfrog into the lead.

pseudoforce on July 1, 2011 at 9:12 PM

You don’t see Palinistas saying anyone should stay out of the race …

CCRWM on July 1, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Nope. The greater variety the better, and may the best candidate win. I’m hoping Perry jumps in as well. He has some interesting takes on foreign policy.

pseudoforce on July 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Rational people will vote for the GOP nominee. It is the indies that will either stay home or vote for Obama. Palins support among the indies is virtually nonexistent. And she is doing nothing to sway them over.

csdeven on July 1, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Funny you should mention that as i remember someone else who did nothing to sway the indies to his way of thinking in 79.

heshtesh on July 1, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Take what “case” to the voters?…

Gohawgs on July 1, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Her resignation. She didn’t bother asking the voters what she should do and they were the ones she asked to put in office.

csdeven on July 1, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Funny you should mention that as i remember someone else who did nothing to sway the indies to his way of thinking in 79.

heshtesh on July 1, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Yeah, Carter.

csdeven on July 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM

You on the other hand are hyperventilating about her on every thread about her possible run! What are you so worried about?

CCRWM on July 1, 2011 at 9:11 PM

He hyperventilates on every Palin thread on every board he visits.

NoNails on July 1, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Rational people will vote for the GOP nominee. It is the indies that will either stay home or vote for Obama. Palins support among the indies is virtually nonexistent. And she is doing nothing to sway them over.

csdeven on July 1, 2011 at 4:41 PM

THAT is exactly how she will get indies…By not dilluting her valid message to fit others.

LeeSeneca on July 1, 2011 at 10:03 PM

THAT is exactly how she will get indies…By not dilluting her valid message to fit others.

This is the kind of nonsense that gets posted every time someone posts the obvious about Palin.

There is no poll that says Palin should run. No poll that days most people want anything to do with Palin.

So sure, run for POTUS. Makes sense.

Moesart on July 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Voted Perry/ McCotter so no surprises there.
Btw Patrick: Jindal is running for reelection in LA-so why is he listed as a veep possibility.
The gentleman has said that he is NOT running for president-or veep-in 2012.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 1, 2011 at 11:43 PM

Voted Perry/ McCotter so no surprises there.
Btw Patrick: Jindal is running for reelection in LA-so why is he listed as a veep possibility.
The gentleman has said that he is NOT running for president-or veep-in 2012.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 1, 2011 at 11:43 PM

I voted Perry/Jindal because Jindal is my favorite out of every candidate named.

He is definately out for Pres in 2012, but if he wins a second term in 2011, there is always the outside chance he might accept the VP slot, if the right person is nominated.

But I agree that is a long shot. My favorite ticket right now that I think is more likely than Perry/Jindal is Perry/Bachman. Love them both. Even though she is my third choice for Pres right now.

Perry, Cain, Bachmann, Palin, Santorum, (Pawlenty is acceptable)in that new order. Bachmann has past Palin a bit in my estimation. I think she is a slightly better candidate and both would equally be good Presidents. Still like Perry by a long shot than anyone as far as being a candidate and being a Pres.

Can’t wait for Perry to finish recuperating from his surgery over the next few weeks so he can announce and tour and we can get going with this thing.

I am sick to death with the double standard in the media and liberals (and even with some conservatives) who trash our 2 women and discuss them in ways unheard of for male candidates. Both good, decent, intelligent and capable women. Disgusting. Can’t wait for it to be over.

Elisa on July 2, 2011 at 1:51 AM

Her resignation. She didn’t bother asking the voters what she should do and they were the ones she asked to put in office.

csdeven on July 1, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Ask? Ask how? Through an address from the Govenors Mansion’s “Oval office”? An Op-Ed in the ADN? A fireside chat? By holding townhall meetings across Alaska?

Gohawgs on July 2, 2011 at 2:32 AM

Moesart on July 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Since when does America take a poll to see who gets to enter the dem or Republican primaries? Were there polls for Cain? Bachmann? T-Paw? Mitt? Ron Paul? Dire’s Buddy? Santorum? Newt? Perry? McCotter? Johnson? Anyfreakingone else?

Either you’re afraid of her beating your preferred candidate for the R nomination or you have mommy issues…

Gohawgs on July 2, 2011 at 2:38 AM

There is no poll that says Palin should run. No poll that days most people want anything to do with Palin.

So sure, run for POTUS. Makes sense.

Moesart on July 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM

No, there is no poll for that, except at Soros/DNC HQ. Hope it’s paying your bills.

Good luck with that.

Sarah is going to blow you out of the water.

Opinionator on July 2, 2011 at 3:02 AM

Palin then
Palin now
Palin in 2012

ez peazy
next poll

DaMav on July 2, 2011 at 5:26 AM

THAT is exactly how she will get indies…By not dilluting her valid message to fit others.

LeeSeneca on July 1, 2011 at 10:03 PM

The evidence shows otherwise. She has been expounding her undiluted message for 3 years and her numbers have done nothing but get worse. Announcing her candidacy wont change that.

csdeven on July 2, 2011 at 8:05 AM

Ask? Ask how? Through an address from the Govenors Mansion’s “Oval office”?………A fireside chat? By holding townhall meetings across Alaska?

Gohawgs on July 2, 2011 at 2:32 AM

Yeah. Why not?

csdeven on July 2, 2011 at 8:06 AM

Her resignation. She didn’t bother asking the voters what she should do and they were the ones she asked to put in office.

csdeven on July 1, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Stupid comment.

darwin on July 2, 2011 at 8:41 AM

Ask? Ask how? Through an address from the Govenors Mansion’s “Oval office”? An Op-Ed in the ADN? A fireside chat? By holding townhall meetings across Alaska?

Gohawgs on July 2, 2011 at 2:32 AM

I count at least 12 ethics violations right there.

steebo77 on July 2, 2011 at 9:46 AM

If you are going to insist that a state poll is a good indicator of a national poll, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

csdeven on July 1, 2011 at 7:32 PM

In the June 29 McClatchy-Marist poll, Bachmann only gets 39% of indies, 23% of moderates, 41% of Midwesterners, 35% of college graduates, 43% of white voters, and 35% of women.

steebo77 on July 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM

In the June 13 NBC/WSJ poll, 68% of respondents doubt Bachmann has the “skills and ability necessary to be president.”

steebo77 on July 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Stupid comment.

darwin on July 2, 2011 at 8:41 AM

Riiiight, because the voters don’t matter if her family wants her to quit.

Which is why she is unelectable.

csdeven on July 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM

steebo77 on July 2, 2011 at 9:46 AM

steebo77 on July 2, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Those are good to establish her baseline. Now we will see how she fares over time.

csdeven on July 2, 2011 at 10:08 AM

In all available Obama v. Bachmann polling, Bachmann has never gotten more than 40% of the vote, ranging from 27% to 40%. Obama has gotten anywhere from 49% to 54%. On the whole, Obama averages 50.5% to 34.3% for Bachmann.

steebo77 on July 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM

She didn’t bother asking the voters what she should do and they were the ones she asked to put in office.

csdeven on July 1, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Neither did Mitt. And Bachmann never even ran for a governorship or senate seat, so we have no idea if voters would have approved.

alwaysfiredup on July 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Those are good to establish her baseline. Now we will see how she fares over time.

csdeven on July 2, 2011 at 10:08 AM

You are giving Bachmann time to improve before you judge. why not extend the same courtesy to Palin?

alwaysfiredup on July 2, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Neither did Mitt. And Bachmann never even ran for a governorship or senate seat, so we have no idea if voters would have approved.

alwaysfiredup on July 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM

I don’t expect candidates that are seeking higher office to ask their constituency. Besides, Romney finished out his term. Not as most would have liked, but he did not resign.

csdeven on July 2, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Mr. Patrick, I REALLY would appreciate it if you could include links to your past polls/blogs on these polls as it would seem that I somehow missed your last one.

Ed adds to the relevance of his 0bamateurims topics by including links to his past blogs on the same topic.

I’m Just Sayin! ;o)

DannoJyd on July 2, 2011 at 1:46 PM

I don’t expect candidates that are seeking higher office to ask their constituency.

csdeven on July 2, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Why? what difference does it make if one resigns or leaves because of personal ambition? Either way they leave.

darwin on July 2, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Elisa on July 2, 2011 at 1:51 AM

My original ideal ticket was Jindal/Pence.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2011 at 12:49 AM

Giuliani/Jindal would be a solid well-balanced ticket. Sadly, it seems neither is running.

KW64 on July 3, 2011 at 1:12 AM

MN isn’t NY, CA or DE. It has elected GOP senators quite recently. She should be able to come close to even in that state if she’s at all good at finding areas of agreement between Dems and GOPers. And if she can’t, she’d be a disastrous president.

alwaysfiredup on July 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM

If you are going to insist that a state poll is a good indicator of a national poll, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

csdeven on July 1, 2011 at 7:32 PM

It’s an indicator of what the voters who know her best think of her. She does poorly in national polls too. She needs work.

alwaysfiredup on July 3, 2011 at 5:31 AM

Ask? Ask how? Through an address from the Govenors Mansion’s “Oval office”?………A fireside chat? By holding townhall meetings across Alaska?

Gohawgs on July 2, 2011 at 2:32 AM

Yeah. Why not?

csdeven on July 2, 2011 at 8:06 AM

C’mon, Shirley

Gohawgs on July 3, 2011 at 7:09 AM

Why? what difference does it make if one resigns or leaves because of personal ambition? Either way they leave.

darwin on July 2, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Because they are continuing in their service to their constituency albeit in a different job.

csdeven on July 3, 2011 at 8:37 AM

Gohawgs on July 3, 2011 at 7:09 AM

Of course you don’t agree. It doesn’t fit the narrative you have made up about St Palin the Victimized.

csdeven on July 3, 2011 at 8:38 AM

Because they are continuing in their service to their constituency albeit in a different job.

csdeven on July 3, 2011 at 8:37 AM

No they’re not.

darwin on July 3, 2011 at 9:44 AM

Of course you don’t agree. It doesn’t fit the narrative you have made up about St Palin the Victimized.

csdeven on July 3, 2011 at 8:38 AM

I’m not the one creating a false narative. You continue to use the dismissive term “St. Palin” and talk about victimization. Which is your way of falsely demeaing and victimizing her.

In this instance you say she should have discussed her resignation with the people of Alaska before resigning thru various avenues such as townhall meetings, op-eds, fireside chats which isn’t realistic. Par for the course. You, however, don’t hold other pols to the same standard when they resign their office for another position elsewhere. A clear double standard in your ongoing history of double standards. You could, and have, present an argument in a non dismissive manner yet you choose to be dismissive in an apparent attempt to generate responses to your comment which you will then complain about and morph into the victim because “it’s not about me”…Many of your comments are excercises in dishonesty and self importance…

Gohawgs on July 3, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Csdeven always holds Palin to a different standard from every other pol. He re-sets the goalpost during every discussion. If he had more positive things to say about anything or anyone, he’d make a successful pol himself, because a pol wins every argument if he keeps his opponent from scoring.

But he would make a lousy leader, because he is incapable of setting priorities. His style of argumentation–not his character or ideals–are similar to O’Bama’s: he’d make a better Critic-in-Chief than Commander-in-Chief.

rwenger43 on July 5, 2011 at 1:59 PM

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