Hillary: We welcome dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood

posted at 8:30 pm on July 1, 2011 by Allahpundit

We all knew it was coming. I just didn’t think it would come so soon.

“We believe, given the changing political landscape in Egypt, that it is in the interests of the United States to engage with all parties that are peaceful and committed to nonviolence, that intend to compete for the parliament and the presidency,” she told reporters in Budapest, Hungary. “And we welcome, therefore, dialogue with those Muslim Brotherhood members who wish to talk with us.”

But, she added, any such contacts “will continue to emphasize the importance of and support for democratic principles, and especially a commitment to nonviolence, respect for minority rights, and the full inclusion of women in any democracy. You cannot leave out half the population and claim that you are committed to democracy.”…

“The U.S. administration has supported dictators for decades and authorized torture, repression and colonization,” [a Muslim Brotherhood spokesman] said. “The U.S. is hated in the Middle East region more than any other country according to polls published in the U.S. If the U.S. is serious in opening a dialogue, they must first respect the people’s choices for a true democracy, independence and respect their choice of leaders. We would welcome the open dialogue, if they are serious and transparent.”

Re-read that last paragraph. That’s the sound of a man who knows he’s in the driver’s seat. Realistically, the Brotherhood’s going to take a chunk of seats in the next Egyptian parliament, and when they do, there’s no earthly way we’re going to punish Egyptians by walking away from the country. We need to maintain this “alliance” for two key reasons: First, to preserve our leverage with the army in case they get any nutty ideas about a new war with Israel or a new proxy war with Israel via arming Hamas. And second, to hold together some sort of rough Sunni front against Iran, which will be looking to reach out to the Brotherhood in the name of fundie solidarity against the Great Satan, etc. Just one krazy kwestion: Since we know we’ll have to bite the bullet eventually in making nice-ish with the Brotherhood, why bite it now — before the election — and legitimize them in the process? Our biggest weapon against them was the threat that we’d yank the $2 billion in military aid that we give to Egypt each year if they take over parliament. Granted, that’s an empty threat for the reasons I’ve described, but it might have given some voters (and the army, of course) pause. Instead, this:

Ammar Ali Hassan, expert in Islamic groups, said that the Brotherhood will likely try to float “conditions” or “reservations” on any dialogue to avoid a perception that it is allowing the U.S. to meddle in Egypt’s internal affairs. But in the end, the talks will give a boost the group, he said, by easing worries some in the Brotherhood and the public have of a backlash if the Brotherhood becomes the dominant player in Egypt.

“Now the Muslim Brotherhood will not have to worry of moving forward toward taking over power,” Hassan said. “For decades, the United States has been eying this possibility and ready to open channels with whoever is the leading force in the country,” he added.

The White House’s worry here, I assume, is that if they cold-shoulder the Brotherhood now, it’ll encourage them to campaign for parliament on anti-Americanism. Then, if they win a huge share of seats, that’ll become the storyline — that Egypt’s rejected America, and that the Brotherhood will feel compelled to follow through with anti-American policies as part of their mandate. If that happens, there’ll be no way to reach out to them later without hugely losing face. So we’re reaching out now — and thereby signaling to voters that a vote for the Brotherhood will carry no penalty in terms of American largesse or military protection. There’s an “orderly transition” for you.

GOP Rep. Trent Franks wonders how it is that we’re suddenly new best friends with a group whose core identity involves hating America. Good question. A better question: Does this mean we’ll soon be chatting with Hamas? They’re the Palestinian chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, you know.

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Smart power.

Ward Cleaver on July 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM

This would be like Hitler holding talks with the Nazis on the future of Europe.

Ward Cleaver on July 1, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Translation of the bullshit via the Muslim Brotherhood. “Throw the Jews under the bus, and we’ll love you!”

GarandFan on July 1, 2011 at 8:34 PM

..waddya mean we, white man woman?

The War Planner on July 1, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Sausage making at its finest.

Immolate on July 1, 2011 at 8:37 PM

“Good to finally meet you, Mr. Alligator. I hope we can convince you to eat us last.”

OhioCoastie on July 1, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Hey Hillary,

How about a two fer’ and invite Al Qaeda?

Opposite Day on July 1, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Sharia is now running policy in all major departments of the US Government. Read this from the Center for Security Policy.

Team B II Calls upon Congressional Leaders to Investigate Muslim Brotherhood Influence in and Penetration of the US Government
[There is] evidence that – thanks to misbegotten official “outreach” efforts to self-appointed “leaders” of the Muslim community – Brotherhood influence operations have been highly successful in penetrating and interfering with our law enforcement, homeland defense, military and intelligence communities’ performance of their vital missions. If that is the case, the implications could not be more serious, and the need for corrective action could not be more acute.
http://shariahthethreat.org/team-b-ii-calls-upon-congressional-leaders-to-investigate-muslim-brotherhood-influence-in-and-penetration-of-the-us-government/

katy on July 1, 2011 at 8:39 PM

Good, Shrillary. Assuming the position from Our Dear Leader: Leading from behind.

petefrt on July 1, 2011 at 8:39 PM

Hillary will have to throw on a burqa over her pantsuit if she wants to meet up with MB.

Philly on July 1, 2011 at 8:39 PM

Should we meet with them before or after our surrender to the Taliban in Afghanistan?

MJBrutus on July 1, 2011 at 8:42 PM

of course they welcome talks with the muslim brotherhood, after all the administration helped move them into power. what a shock that they will now talk with them.

exceller on July 1, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Hillary: We‘re welcome dialogue getting in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood

Edited for accuracy and clarity.

infidel4life on July 1, 2011 at 8:43 PM

The White House’s worry here, I assume,

Worry? Are you serious? They have a plan and it’s coming together nicely. It’s the awakeing of the American people that the WH worries about.

katy on July 1, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Oh my goodness, what in the world has happened to hill? She has gone to heck in a handbasket by the looks of that picture!
Note to Bibi, it seems bho and team are still going to see you are not going to be a nation by dealing with the mb. God be with you Israel and your citizens. I hope you in Israel knows a vast number of American’s do not want bho or team to speak for us in what they say. bho and team are going to see who will come out on top if they send you under the bus Israel and they will get the tire tracks not you.
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letget on July 1, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Well Mubarak needs to resign yesterday.

/

Remember that? We always knew this was going to happen. We just turned an ally state into an enemy state.

antisocial on July 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM

We just turned an ally state into an enemy state.

antisocial on July 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM

And they’re partying like it’s 1979.

infidel4life on July 1, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Well

thy may have convinced the Jewish vote to reconsider

that would be a great outcome and then popping the MB leaders with a 45 at pointblank

Sonosam on July 1, 2011 at 8:48 PM

I for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

/ hillary
/kent brockman

LegendHasIt on July 1, 2011 at 8:49 PM

HRC: And the State Department is calling 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, too!!

Khun Joe on July 1, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Hillary/Zawahiri 2012!

Christien on July 1, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Yeah, we all knew. I photoshopped this February 3rd.

BKeyser on July 1, 2011 at 8:50 PM

And they’re partying like it’s 1979.

infidel4life on July 1, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Exactly, what is it with Democrat administrations?

whbates on July 1, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Two words — one a verb, the other a pronoun — to the America-haters in the current regime (including Shrillery Clinton) and to the Muslim extremists who are eager to ally with them.

Clinton and Osama Obama should long ago have been put in the dock to face treason charges. It’s not too late…yet.

MrScribbler on July 1, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Oh my goodness, what in the world has happened to hill? She has gone to heck in a handbasket by the looks of that picture!

letget on July 1, 2011 at 8:44 PM

The Helen Transformation takes time.

Electrongod on July 1, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Worry? Are you serious? They have a plan and it’s coming together nicely. It’s the awakeing of the American people that the WH worries about.

katy on July 1, 2011 at 8:43 PM

You never fail to disappoint!

I’ll believe Shrillary is sincere when she, Jarrett, and Moochelle are in burqas.

SouthernGent on July 1, 2011 at 8:53 PM

BKeyser on July 1, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Nice job!

LegendHasIt on July 1, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Worry? Are you serious? They have a plan and it’s coming together nicely. It’s the awakeing of the American people that the WH worries about.

katy on July 1, 2011 at 8:43 PM
You never fail to disappoint!

I’ll believe Shrillary is sincere when she, Jarrett, and Moochelle are in burqas.

SouthernGent on July 1, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Wait! What? Katy, you never fail to bring the truth. Gah. Brain cramp!

SouthernGent on July 1, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Team B II Calls upon Congressional Leaders to Investigate Muslim Brotherhood Influence in and Penetration of the US Government

katy on July 1, 2011 at 8:39 PM

The Pentagon is now populated by political correct islamophile generals who’s policy of nation building in the umma has prolonged two wasteful, bloody wars. “The foolish doctrine was preached to the public through innumerable agencies that generals and admirals must be right on war matters and civilians of all kinds must be wrong.” – Winston Churchill

HalJordan on July 1, 2011 at 8:58 PM

We need to maintain this “alliance” for two key reasons: First, to preserve our leverage with the army in case they get any nutty ideas about a new war with Israel or a new proxy war with Israel via arming Hamas. And second, to hold together some sort of rough Sunni front against Iran, which will be looking to reach out to the Brotherhood in the name of fundie solidarity against the Great Satan, etc.

Oh, come on. Why all the hedging and rationalizing? Why can’t we just stand up and say that any governing coalition that includes the MB will not get a dime in foreign aid from us? The Egyptians are free to elect whoever they want in their government, but we are in no way obligated to support them financially when they choose Islamists to govern them.

By the way, the MB is already reaching out to Iran and they are already talking about re-submitting to a newly elected parliament the Camp David Accords. How do you think that vote will go? And they already opened the border with Gaza, you don’t think they are arming Hamas? Don’t give these guys legitimacy and don’t give them one dime.

I know, I know. Realpolitik. Whatever.

JohnInCA on July 1, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Ammar Ali Hassan, expert in Islamic groups, said that the Brotherhood will likely try to float “conditions” or “reservations” on any dialogue to avoid a perception that it is allowing the U.S. to meddle in Egypt’s internal affairs. But in the end, the talks will give a boost the group, he said, by easing worries some in the Brotherhood and the public have of a backlash if the Brotherhood becomes the dominant player in Egypt.

I suppose this is why Isreal is now on the terrorist list.

tinkerthinker on July 1, 2011 at 9:05 PM

SouthernGent on July 1, 2011 at 8:54 PM

SG…I know you. No worries. ;)

katy on July 1, 2011 at 9:05 PM

Democracy in Egypt with the MB: One man, one vote, one time.

SlaveDog on July 1, 2011 at 9:06 PM

great now we have to attack our own country for supporting terrorists.

tomas on July 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM

We just turned an ally state into an enemy state.

antisocial on July 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM

I don’t think Obama sees it that way at all. Neither do Powers and Rice.

Worry? Are you serious? They have a plan and it’s coming together nicely. It’s the awakeing of the American people that the WH worries about.

katy on July 1, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Well, I don’t think the Obama-Powers-Rice “brain” trust is actually doing anything more than exploiting crises as they arise. The ham-handed stupidity of Obama’s efforts to get the Israel-Palestinian talks going reflects the skill level. But they let no opportunity pass to undermine Israeli interests. For example, the merely corrupt Mubarak, at peace with Israel, had to go, but Obama seems very disinterested in Assad’s bloody butchery.

novaculus on July 1, 2011 at 9:08 PM

No mention of Hillary’s powerful connections with the Muslim Brotherhood through her woman-servant Huma?

slickwillie2001 on July 1, 2011 at 9:09 PM

HalJordan on July 1, 2011 at 8:58 PM

We’re pretty screwed until it all blows up. It’s the ‘people’ that will have to resurrect the nation afterwards.

katy on July 1, 2011 at 9:09 PM

At least when the Brotherhood puts Hillary into a burqa, she will look much better!

GFW on July 1, 2011 at 9:09 PM

It wasn’t that long ago that Hillary was welcoming dialogue with Qaddafi’s son.

JohnJ on July 1, 2011 at 9:11 PM

novaculus on July 1, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Read this book and tell me if you think Obama’s just bumbling through the mid-east mess. He and Holder are so tight with the MB that you may walk away thinking they are MB…
http://shariahthethreat.org/about-the-book/

katy on July 1, 2011 at 9:13 PM

This is ridiculous. There’s utterly NO REASON to legitimize this group of Islamofascists EVER. We should’ve made it crystal clear that the money train is drying up as soon as the Islamists grab power. WHY would the United States actively support religious tyranny??? That’s not what we stand for.

They hate us already, while we’re giving them BILLIONS. Let them hate us while they’re broke. They hate Israel as well. Poll after poll shows it. If they move on Israel, treat them like any other enemy who threatens our allies. But let them marinate in their hate with empty pockets if that’s what they want to do.

This administration acts like a drunk girl on prom night. Have some decorum. Get a spine. And act like this is The United States of America and that our friendship has VALUE.

Murf76 on July 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM

I for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

LegendHasIt on July 1, 2011 at 8:49 PM

I figured someone would beat me to it. Hizzah!

Fallon on July 1, 2011 at 9:17 PM

katy on July 1, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Have no fear, Katy, I understand the threat better than most. I have no doubt that Obama’s sympathies lie with the Islamists of the Muslim Brotherhood and not with Israel. Obama would sell Israel down the river in a heartbeat if he thought he could get away with it. I feel very certain that the reason the LA Times will not release the tape of Obama speaking at Rashid Khalidi’s party is because he makes comments denying the legitimacy of the Jewish state.

The Brotherhood is relatively new, but the Islamists have been at war with the rest of the world for 1400 years. We had our first conflicts with the Islamists not long after the country’s founding. It is a nightmare forever war, and we had damned well better keep it in mind when dealing with the dirty scum. As long as one of these bastards lives, the war goes on. Since we can’t kill them all, we better get used to killing them on an ongoing basis. Otherwise it is only a matter of time until they rebuild and strike again.

novaculus on July 1, 2011 at 9:28 PM

These folks are going to feel awfully foolish when President Palin cuts them off at the knees in 2013.

cthulhu on July 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM

1938: Neville: We welcome dialogue with the National Socialist Worker’s Party.

2011: Hillary: We welcome dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood

HalJordan on July 1, 2011 at 9:35 PM

AP. This isn’t some “we’re playing the hand that was dealt us” maneuver on our part. This is exactly in line with Obama’s overall foreign policy in the Middle East. He’s doing everything he can to box Israel in.

There is absolutely no surprise in this move. None.

nukemhill on July 1, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Muslim Brotherhood > Mitch McConnell

This administration is a horrible joke.

beatcanvas on July 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Obama and his wandering herd of anti-Israeli Marxists are destroying us a little more each day.

rplat on July 1, 2011 at 10:02 PM

She’ll look great in a full-body Burka…the blue ones.

Karmi on July 1, 2011 at 10:05 PM

What a huge POS……I can’t wait until the broom of democracy will sweep this sheet into the gutter, into the garbage can where they truly belong.

I can’t wait until these socialist, commie turds are sent packing.

Twana on July 1, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Well Mubarak needs to resign yesterday.

/

Remember that? We always knew this was going to happen. We just turned an ally state into an enemy state.

antisocial on July 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Yes we did. And for days we were lectured by trolls who accused us of supporting dictators. Well, I say again, THE DICTATOR WAS BETTER.

txhsmom on July 1, 2011 at 10:40 PM

The White House’s worry here, I assume, is that if they cold-shoulder the Brotherhood now, it’ll encourage them to campaign for parliament on anti-Americanism. Then, if they win a huge share of seats, that’ll become the storyline — that Egypt’s rejected America, and that the Brotherhood will feel compelled to follow through with anti-American policies as part of their mandate.

The White House needs to stop worrying around “story-lines” and start dealing with the reality-line. The Muslim Brotherhood has a stated goal to destroy Israel and kill Jews. They are not interested in peace, freedom liberty, women’s rights or anything else except imposing the religion of Islam upon society. They will always hate westerners and America no matter what we do. Reaching out to them will only legitimize them in the eyes of moderates and deflate anyone who wants true liberty, democracy and freedom for Egypt.

Dollayo on July 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM

If the U.S. is serious in opening a dialogue, they must first respect the people’s choices for a true democracy, independence and respect their choice of leaders. We would welcome the open dialogue, if they are serious and transparent.”

Who are they to demand anything? Only under an Obama admin. can this be considered real.

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2011 at 11:48 PM

I see no progress. No learning or even learning of lessons. Perhaps the level of infiltration precludes it.

BL@KBIRD on July 2, 2011 at 12:20 AM

“And we welcome, therefore, dialogue with those Muslim Brotherhood members who wish to talk with us.”

They do, not the American people. BIG difference.

tx2654 on July 2, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Say…

Wasn’t it Neville Chaimberlain who waved a document of ‘peace’ after negotiating with the Nazis?

Or was it President Obama & his smart power yuppie genius restart button morons?

Danny on July 2, 2011 at 1:16 AM

She’s been having “dialogue” with the MB since 1996…

Gohawgs on July 2, 2011 at 1:44 AM

Staggeringly naive.

disa on July 2, 2011 at 3:43 AM

Disgusting!

We have got to get these cretins out of Washington!

Unfortunately, disgusting is the norm for these folks.

Same old Obama song and dance.

Disgusting!

Sherman1864 on July 2, 2011 at 4:21 AM

HalJordan on July 1, 2011 at 9:35 PM

You summed that up rather well. the harridan is looking pretty awful lately too as others have said. I wonder if she’s suffering with dementia or something.

dogsoldier on July 2, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Consistent with the foregoing credo, MB since its founding has supported the use of armed struggle, or jihad, against non-Muslim “infidels.” As al-Banna himself wrote: “Jihad is an obligation from Allah on every Muslim and cannot be ignored nor evaded.” Added al-Banna: “It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.”

And these are the thugs she wants to reach out to?

kingsjester on July 2, 2011 at 9:30 AM

Terrific.

Thanks, Secretary Clinton, for bringing us “peace for our time”.

Now, please wake me when the war rationing starts, won’t you?

dissent555 on July 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM

I wonder if we will pay more or less billions to the Islamists in Egypt than we do to the PLO Islamists.

PattyJ on July 2, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Really?

So what Monica and Monica’s boyfriend did Really wasn’t teh jiggly wiggly then…………

……….

……….

Really?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Wow……………..

splains lots o things then don’t it ?!?!?!?!?!

RealMc on July 2, 2011 at 11:00 PM

Hillary: We welcome dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood

Once an unqualified leftist who can’t tell enemies from friends, ALWAYS an unqualified leftist idealogue!!!

Our enemies are laughing at the comedy team of Obama/Hillary.

landlines on July 2, 2011 at 11:11 PM