Low expectations: 39% now say economy is in permanent decline, up 11 points

posted at 10:07 pm on June 29, 2011 by Allahpundit

Drudge is leading with this NJ story about O’s staff starting to panic about his reelection chances. They shouldn’t. This is the best news he’s had in weeks:

In a sign of increasing pessimism about the direction of the U.S. economy, roughly four in ten Americans now believes it is in permanent decline, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll.

The percentage that sees the economy as in permanent decline has increased from 28 percent in October 2010 to 39 percent in the new poll. And the percentage that expects the economy to eventually recover to its past heights has fallen from 68 percent last October to 57 percent today.

That’s not the only finding signaling that Americans have a negative outlook about their economic future. Only 20 percent now say the economy is getting better, the lowest number since last August. Thirty-one percent say it is getting worse. Roughly half stay it is staying the same.

I already made this point at some length last week when writing about the recent AP poll, but let me repeat: The more protracted America’s economic malaise is, the more I think voters will come to believe that it’s not a policy problem but a structural problem, and therefore the less inclined they’ll be to blame Obama for low GDP and high unemployment. That’s why he pushed the dopey meme about ATMs taking away jobs, of course. If we don’t see major growth happen by next spring, he’ll take the position that this economic downturn is so viciously singular and intractable — whether due to globalization, debt worries, ATMs, or what have you — that no president could have averted it. It is/was inevitable and “permanent”; it’ll be over when it’s over, with the feds powerless to speed things up in any meaningful way. The significance of tonight’s poll is that there might be a large and growing constituency that believes that. If so, Obama will be effectively immunized from the downturn among that group. Paradoxically, among them, the worse the economy is, the better it is for him.

Like I said last week, there’s a chance that the public’s simply reserving judgment at the moment, giving him the maximum amount of time to make a dent in GDP and, later, unemployment before deciding whether it’s time to cut bait on Hopenchange. If so, these polls will snowball against him later next year. And in fact, a Fox News poll out tonight shows his job approval at a yearly low — but even that low is just 46/46. His numbers are surprisingly resilient given the state of the economy, and I don’t think it’s all due to O being personally well liked by most voters. I think it’s because this perfect storm is so perfect that they feel we’re at its mercy. Not even a Reagan Republican as president can, er, help.

Update: Some commenters are reading this as me claiming that a bad economy is actually good for him, that it’ll take this issue off the table, etc. Of course not. That’s insane. The economy will be the biggest anchor around his feet next year no matter what. My point is, the severity of the malaise may be such that it ends up being less of an anchor among some voters than it might have been in a more traditional recession. Some voters will reason that this is a global/structural problem, bigger than the presidency, and therefore he bears less responsibility for it than he might in other circumstances. Most voters will still blame him, but in a close election all you need is a few to break the wrong way. Go re-read last week’s post linked above. In theory, more people should be blaming him for the bad economy the longer it drags on. That’s not what we’re seeing — yet.

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Does this mean the water will continue to rise and earth will not heal itself…?

d1carter on June 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

I already made this point at some length last week when writing about the recent AP poll, but let me repeat: The more protracted America’s economic malaise is, the more I think voters will come to believe that it’s not a policy problem but a structural problem, and therefore the less inclined they’ll be to blame Obama for low GDP and high unemployment.

Well there’s one problem with that mindset. What happens if God forbid the GOP candidate next year runs on a platform of actually fixing the economy? Is Obama’s counterattack gonna be that there’s nothing that can be done to reverse the tide? Not much hopenchange to be had there. And if he instead tries to one-up the Republican and pledges to fix it himself, then people will start to question why he hasn’t done it already.

I don’t see how anyone can be reelected with a lousy economy by trying to make the case that this is our new normal. Maybe it’s his only play, but it’s a suicidal one.

Doughboy on June 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

No expectations.

hillbillyjim on June 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

a new CBS News/New York Times poll.

….

Let me guess, D +12 sample?

artist on June 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

It finally makes sense!

Remember when Obama said his nomination “was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow”? He wasn’t talking about AGW, at least not completely… he was talking about the expression “a rising tide lifts all boats”.

And now that he’s in office, we see the tide receding, lowering all boats.

I don’t know why it took so long for me to make the connection.

malclave on June 29, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Ok then. If the evidence continues to pile up that PBHO is the worst president ever to hold the seat, and a majority of Americans want to give the idiot another four years, I say go for it. Reap what you sow, fools.

Bishop on June 29, 2011 at 10:13 PM

If the economy continues being the way it is now, 8.5% or higher unemployment, and around 2% or less GDP?
Obama will be panicing if he’s not already.
He’s gonna lose.

B Man on June 29, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Change!

Hope!

Carter’s second term!

Good Lt on June 29, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Right, it’s inevitable so we might as well stay with Obama because Republicans can’t help change the outcome. We’re all doomed…../s

sandee on June 29, 2011 at 10:14 PM

I have to wonder how many of that 39% have started looking for the lifeboats…only to find that they’re in a fix much like the passengers of the Titanic.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 29, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Does this mean the water will continue to rise and earth will not heal itself…?

d1carter on June 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

That is scheduled to be remedied in Obama’s second term.
It would be unwise to fix everything in just 4 years otherwise he wouldn’t be needed in ’12.

Electrongod on June 29, 2011 at 10:16 PM

AP: Is this the Eeyore Theory..?

d1carter on June 29, 2011 at 10:16 PM

“See… I told you Capitalism doesn’t work.” – Barack Hussein Obowma (with a smile on his face)

Seven Percent Solution on June 29, 2011 at 10:18 PM

I don’t think that 2013 means permanent. We will be in decline until Jan 20, 2013 and then we can begin to crawl out! It willstill be a invalid climb I am afraid.

bluemarlin on June 29, 2011 at 10:22 PM

This is why the Republicans need to run someone that can inspire just as much as he/she can explain policy against Obama’s talking points.

It has to be someone like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBnDbhKTow

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicAuGPtmCA

But neither of those are going to happen, so hopefully maybe this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9dUMJyzjtA

or I guess, this, maybe?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1-8iXPypfQ

cpaulus on June 29, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Well,if one doesn’t perform in the Obama Administration,
they get the boot,er,tossed under the bus!!

So,me thinks,Obama’s bus is coming,helpfully soon,
really,really soon!!

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

The significance of tonight’s poll is that there might be a large and growing constituency that believes that. If so, Obama will be effectively immunized from the downturn among that group. Paradoxically, among them, the worse the economy is, the better it is for him.

Good God, Eeyore…take a breath. Turn in early tonight.

If you think that Obama is “immunized” from people who respond to pollsters that the downturn is “structural,” you’re completely off your rocker. Maybe if the poll was of published economists – maybe, maybe, that would correlate to good news for Obama. In the real world, those 39% are maybe 90% Republicans and Independents who will vote for anyone but Obama, and 10% Democrats who are starting to panic and letting the mask slip.

Even if you did think the economy is in structural decline and not anyone’s fault, are you going to vote for the guy who has no plans to change the structure?

HitNRun on June 29, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Oops, in previous post I meant

It will still be a long slow climb out….

bluemarlin on June 29, 2011 at 10:24 PM

So,me thinks,Obama’s bus is coming,helpfully soon,
really,really soon!!

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Either a bus or a Yellow Submarine.

Electrongod on June 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Doughboy on June 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Ditto, big time. Doughboy 1, Allahpundit 0.

The idea that Obama can run again saying the economic problems are purely structural and there’s nothing he can do about it is beyond ridiculous.

thirteen28 on June 29, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Obamalaise: as permanent as…Obama

dont taze me bro on June 29, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Obamalaise: as permanent as…Obama

dont taze me bro on June 29, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Not even Teflon can shake Obama.

Electrongod on June 29, 2011 at 10:28 PM

Oops,

Bursting Obama’s Balloons
Just a few reasons why the president-elect needs to lower expectations.
Jan 2 2009
**************
***************

If Obama needed to lower expectations—and he does—here are some reasons:

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/01/01/bursting-obama-s-balloons.htm

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM

Is Obama’s counterattack gonna be that there’s nothing that can be done to reverse the tide? Not much hopenchange to be had there. And if he instead tries to one-up the Republican and pledges to fix it himself, then people will start to question why he hasn’t done it already.

I don’t see how anyone can be reelected with a lousy economy by trying to make the case that this is our new normal. Maybe it’s his only play, but it’s a suicidal one.

Doughboy on June 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Another problem with that strategy is how can he go to the mat asking for more of the same – stimulus, taxes, spending, etc. by saying this is the new normal? If this is how bad it is and even the trillions of dollars won’t fix anything, then how can he or the Dems possibly keep asking for more?

catmman on June 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM

I’m kinda tired. I hope my previous comment made sense.

catmman on June 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM

If Obama needed to lower expectations—and he does—here are some reasons:

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/01/01/bursting-obama-s-balloons.htm

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM

The balloons must have popped and couldn’t be found.
404 error/

Electrongod on June 29, 2011 at 10:31 PM

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM
=====================
Either a bus or a Yellow Submarine.

Electrongod on June 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Electrongod:Great point,I’m going with Yellow Submarine,
in keeping with the Beatle theme!:)

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Try it again,I thik the l was missing!:)

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/01/01/bursting-obama-s-balloons.html

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM

:)

Electrongod on June 29, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Change!
236 Years Down the Drain.
Obama/Biden 2012

aquaviva on June 29, 2011 at 10:34 PM

You know what this post taught me?

The Beatles were a keen group of guys that didn’t take themselves seriously. They just loved making music for folks.

Shame that everyone else didn’t get that.

spmat on June 29, 2011 at 10:34 PM

I’m kinda tired. I hope my previous comment made sense.

catmman on June 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM

catman:Made plenty of sense,another bailout should be
Hari-Kari to his political career,one would think!

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Good grief, I hope his mediocre approval is still a factor being labeled a racist. I would hate for the majority of the public to think Obama is the best we can do.

Cindy Munford on June 29, 2011 at 10:36 PM

The more protracted America’s economic malaise is, the more I think voters will come to believe that it’s not a policy problem but a structural problem, and therefore the less inclined they’ll be to blame Obama for low GDP and high unemployment. That’s why he pushed the dopey meme about ATMs taking away jobs, of course.

Somebody wake Allah up from his opium dream, please!

singlemalt 18 on June 29, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Either a bus or a Yellow Submarine.

Electrongod on June 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Electrongod:Great point,I’m going with Yellow Submarine,
in keeping with the Beatle theme!:)

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:31 PM

I vote for We’re All Bozos On This Bus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ1gJanU3iw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkvZxYXHOgs

Del Dolemonte on June 29, 2011 at 10:38 PM

The significance of tonight’s poll is that there might be a large and growing constituency that believes that. If so, Obama will be effectively immunized from the downturn among that group. Paradoxically, among them, the worse the economy is, the better it is for him.

Think a little deeper …

People who are discouraged and pessimistic, don’t vote. Voting is an act of the will and of hope. So if they do vote, most won’t be voting for Obama.

PackerBronco on June 29, 2011 at 10:39 PM

The Beatles were a keen group of guys that didn’t take themselves seriously. They just loved making music for folks.

Shame that everyone else didn’t get that.

spmat on June 29, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Hey Jude…why is Lucy in the sky…with diamonds?

Electrongod on June 29, 2011 at 10:40 PM

I don’t see how anyone can be reelected with a lousy economy by trying to make the case that this is our new normal. Maybe it’s his only play, but it’s a suicidal one.

Doughboy on June 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Agreed. Fool 52% once shame on him, fool 51% twice and we are surrounded by idiots.

Hog Wild on June 29, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Me thinks,a workable road-map of Economy Resurrection,
should be sought after,by Team Right!

A Plan of Action,and not Rhetric,should come in
handy,for 2012/Election!

Just a thought!

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:41 PM

So,

If Economy improves => Obama benefits

and

If Economy continues to tank => Obama benefits

????

Don’t think I agree with this analysis.

aquaviva on June 29, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Doughboy on June 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Yep. Same issue for every incumbent up for re-election in 2012.

Politician: Re-elect me, and I’ll turn things around.
Voters: Weren’t you in place when things started going bad, and didn’t do anything to stop it?

-or-

Politician: Re-elect me, I know how to fix this.
Voters: Wait, if you know how to fix it, why are you waiting until your campaign to bring it up? Shouldn’t you be fixing it now?

Left Coast Right Mind on June 29, 2011 at 10:43 PM

I already made this point at some length last week when writing about the recent AP poll, but let me repeat: The more protracted America’s economic malaise is, the more I think voters will come to believe that it’s not a policy problem but a structural problem, and therefore the less inclined they’ll be to blame Obama for low GDP and high unemployment.

How did that campaign strategy work out for Jimmy Carter I?

HalJordan on June 29, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Well there’s one problem with that mindset. What happens if God forbid the GOP candidate next year runs on a platform of actually fixing the economy? Is Obama’s counterattack gonna be that there’s nothing that can be done to reverse the tide? Not much hopenchange to be had there. And if he instead tries to one-up the Republican and pledges to fix it himself, then people will start to question why he hasn’t done it already.

No, of course not. His platform will be that the past four years are simply the economy working itself out structurally, not a reflection on his own policies. We need to stay the course, continue to invest in infrastructure, etc.

Look, obviously the economy’s going to hurt him. My point here isn’t that no one will care about the economy, just that fewer people will hold it against him than you might expect. And that could be huge in a close election.

Allahpundit on June 29, 2011 at 10:44 PM

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:31 PM
I vote for We’re All Bozos On This Bus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ1gJanU3iw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkvZxYXHOgs

Del Dolemonte on June 29, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Del Dolemonte:Nightmarish!:)

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:45 PM

If Economy continues to tank => Obama benefits

????

Don’t think I agree with this analysis.

Sigh. No, Obama doesn’t “benefit” if the economy tanks. He’ll be hurt, but not as badly hurt as he might be in a more traditional recession.

Allahpundit on June 29, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Ok, back to the drudgery.

Obama is in on January 21, 2013. You keep putting your hopes on the “American people” knowing the difference between Obama and Mittpalintpaw Perry. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t.

Doesn’t matter much. The end result is more of the same.

But hey, as Keynes so rightly said, “In the long run, we’re all dead.” We’ll all get to have our cake and eat it, too.

American governance, like every empire before it, is about convincing oneself that consequence is what the opponent offers.

spmat on June 29, 2011 at 10:46 PM

The significance of tonight’s poll is that there might be a large and growing constituency that believes that. If so, Obama will be effectively immunized from the downturn among that group. Paradoxically, among them, the worse the economy is, the better it is for him.

AP, the American people are not that bright, you are giving them too much credit…especially with economic matters.

PatriotRider on June 29, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Look, obviously the economy’s going to hurt him. My point here isn’t that no one will care about the economy, just that fewer people will hold it against him than you might expect. And that could be huge in a close election.

Allahpundit on June 29, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Allahpundit:Sad to say,yes,I think your right,Obama has more
excuses,and his minions will be harping away,say
on the War alone,as an example,once this electio
n cycle gets into high gear so to speak!:)

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Sigh. No, Obama doesn’t “benefit” if the economy tanks. He’ll be hurt, but not as badly hurt as he might be in a more traditional recession.

Allahpundit on June 29, 2011 at 10:45 PM

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Defeat is victory.

HalJordan on June 29, 2011 at 10:49 PM

The Beatles were a keen group of guys that didn’t take themselves seriously. They just loved making music for folks.

Shame that everyone else didn’t get that.

spmat on June 29, 2011 at 10:34 PM

It’s too bad they didn’t work in a Slurpee reference in this ditty.

In the ditch, baby.

hillbillyjim on June 29, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

HalJordan on June 29, 2011 at 10:51 PM

When he rolled out “Win the future”, I thought WTF! That little propaganda slogan signaled the start of the downward spiral. It also signalled the lack of talent among those who surround the Worst President Ever.

DrStock on June 29, 2011 at 10:51 PM

I’m not sure Obama type voters understand the nuance of structural economic woes.

aquaviva on June 29, 2011 at 10:51 PM

From the glass is always half empty files:

The more protracted America’s economic malaise is, the more I think voters will come to believe that it’s not a policy problem but a structural problem, and therefore the less inclined they’ll be to blame Obama for low GDP and high unemployment.

His numbers are surprisingly resilient given the state of the economy, and I don’t think it’s all due to O being personally well liked by most voters. I think it’s because this perfect storm is so perfect that they feel we’re at its mercy. Not even a Reagan Republican as president can, er, help.

Allah, buddy, I love ya, but you gotta quit this Xtremo Pessi game. Or, as in the Beatles’ tune, “Don’t bring me down…” Look, all these polls today are completely meaningless. This time four years ago, McCain was at 3% among Republicans and Hillary was the Anointed Democrat candidate.

I’m no optimist, but the feel I get out here in the real world, not just in Texas, but in blue states where I also have businesses and employees, Barack the Great is effing toast, even if you or I or Ronald McDonald were on the ballot.

So, put the gun down, release the magazine, and breach out the current load.

TXUS on June 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM

AP, the American people are not that bright, you are giving them too much credit…especially with economic matters.

PatriotRider on June 29, 2011 at 10:49 PM

PatriotRider:I think its more of,its a loooooooooooooong 4
years,and average joe,isn’t following day to
day politics,nor is he/she aware of 2 percent
of Obama gaffes,as an example!!

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM

If you think the GOP can fix the economy, you’re no different from Obama.

Fixing the economy presupposes that it both can and should be fixed.

You fix a machine. You don’t fix a person. The economy is not a machine to be fixed by T-paw, Obama, Mitt or any other egomaniac. The vaunted “economy” is a collection of individual wills acting in their subjective interests.

The more you twist it to fit what you think should be, the more you make to be what you wish it weren’t.

spmat on June 29, 2011 at 10:53 PM

canopfor on June 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM

That’s certainly part of it…

All I can say is that whomever is President in 2016, will likely be the most hated person in the USA.

PatriotRider on June 29, 2011 at 10:56 PM

Look, obviously the economy’s going to hurt him. My point here isn’t that no one will care about the economy, just that fewer people will hold it against him than you might expect. And that could be huge in a close election.

Allahpundit on June 29, 2011 at 10:44 PM

I think the people who want to vote for him under any circumstances will have that mindset. But for most folks who are hurting and don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel, at some point even some of the most hardcore ideologues will say enough is enough. I get where you’re coming from. I just don’t believe there are going to be nearly enough people who give him a pass on the economy as you do.

Doughboy on June 29, 2011 at 10:56 PM

PBHO 2012 slogan: “Vote for the second term that Jimmy Carter never got to fix the problems HE caused!”

Khun Joe on June 29, 2011 at 11:02 PM

Obama is the iconic example of the validity of Santayana’s curse; “Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it”. He really is Jimmy Carter (ver 2.0) and he’s setting the stage for someone to play Ronald Reagan (ver 2.0).
The world is split into two kinds of people; those who put their faith and trust in leaders and those who believe in themselves. Barack Obama is the long-awaited messiah of those who put their faith and hope in great leaders and when he fails, as all of us do, his followers are left crushed and hopeless in their own personal darkness. For them, voting will be a hopeless and utterly pointless prospect.
Ronald Reagan changed the world by empowering those who believed in themselves, and showed the rest of humanity that it was Ok to believe in themselves as well. His special message to the world was not “I can do it!” but “We can do it!”.
And that right there, made all the difference in the world.

Lew on June 29, 2011 at 11:02 PM

They are trying to wear us down.

If you accept defeat, you will own defeat.

Don’t give up.

They are counting on Americans to throw up their hands in defeat.

We have never done that and we will not do so now.

Get ovah yourselves, ya farking Marxist rebels from the 60′s. Sheeesh.

Key West Reader on June 29, 2011 at 11:04 PM

We have endured worse than this.

Remember that simple phrase.

We’re going to be fine in the end. Think on the bright side! We dabbled in Socialism and errrrr. No thanks.

We’re going to be fine. Don’t be intimidated, don’t be drawn in to what the leftists want. Just know that we’re Americans first and that this horrible experiment failed (thank God) and that we’ll emerge from this nightmare stronger than ever.

Key West Reader on June 29, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Just a long list of the things I told my liberal friends during the 2008 campaign.

Their response: You are racist.

.

cntrlfrk on June 29, 2011 at 11:13 PM

Key West Reader on June 29, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Yes, yes, and yes!

TXUS on June 29, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Only 20 percent now say the economy is getting better

Must be the true Obamabots.

GarandFan on June 29, 2011 at 11:15 PM

On one of Beck’s recent shows, he asked the audience if they believed that their children would have a better life in America than their parents had. I don’t believe a single hand went up. He asked them what they would have said five years ago, and most of them put up their hands.

That’s the question to ask, that’s the American dream, -that your children have a better life than you did, through your work.

slickwillie2001 on June 29, 2011 at 11:19 PM

We’re going to be fine in the end. Think on the bright side! We dabbled in Socialism and errrrr. No thanks.

Key West Reader on June 29, 2011 at 11:08 PM

I agree. Most American’s have never seen marxism/socialism in action. Having traveled a good portion of the world, I’ve seen how the “middle class” in other developed countries live, and it’s not pretty. The middle class in under deveopled countries is even worse.

I can’t help but think American’s got that once in a generation wake up call. We’ll find out in 16 months.

Hog Wild on June 29, 2011 at 11:20 PM

The economy may hurt but if Zero can use that to incite unrest amongst the parasites whom have voted for him he can use that to his advantage. Our courts are becoming bolder in their disdain for the Constitution and Just-Us Eric Holder never was a friend of integrity. When Zero alluded to militias a couple years ago I think he was meaning the wildings now seen more frequently. His broken promises work to his advantage among the madding crowd as a front to control the total masses. Obamacare is just an indicator of the mindset. Big Brother deems you will do this, the 6th Circus pretty much rules from the script, and the IRS presumably will force compliance. Sotomayor and Kagan? We pretty much know who owns them.

Like Bolsheviks, Zero’s parasites simply need someone to blame to get them motivated towards unrest. Just as Lenin did to the Bolsheviks Zero can manipulate them to increase his power through implications of violence ahead. You don’t need elections if you can have the courts void them (Prop 8), you don’t need elections if martial law can reverse outcomes and your mobs can intimidate legislators from upholding things like natural born eligibility rules or war powers restrictions, you don’t need elections if your sleazy Attorney General has no interest in losing his power either, thus increasing the risk of accountability for his own misdeeds.

viking01 on June 29, 2011 at 11:24 PM

AP has officially become Glum from The Adventures of Gulliver.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063863/quotes

“It’ll never work. We’re doomed.”

BuckeyeSam on June 29, 2011 at 11:28 PM

Think of the inverse argument.

If there’s even 2 months in a row of positive movement, he’s in like flint.

KMC1 on June 29, 2011 at 11:33 PM

That’s the question to ask, that’s the American dream, -that your children have a better life than you did, through your work.

slickwillie2001 on June 29, 2011 at 11:19 PM

My children and the children of my brothers WILL be better off. This is the cornerstone of our entire being as a Nation.

This pipsqueak Marxist wanna be golfer will go no further as it pertains to its agenda. He’ll be stepping down within the next six months.

Key West Reader on June 29, 2011 at 11:33 PM

viking01 on June 29, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Peshaw, pfft.

Puleeze. How can you compare the American Citizenry with anyone else?

Obama and his Merry Band of Marxist Human Wrecking Balls of Filth have seriously underestimated our nature, talent, resolve, peacefulness, endurance, honesty, integrity and faith.

They have overstepped their boundaries and yes, there may be some riots here and there, but… eh, they will fail.

Since when have any of us ever been afraid of a couple of rowdy youths? Me? Nevah.

Key West Reader on June 29, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Since when have any of us ever been afraid of a couple of rowdy youths? Me? Nevah.

Key West Reader on June 29, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Ask Reginald Denny.

viking01 on June 29, 2011 at 11:43 PM

..Reap what you sow sew, fools.

Bishop on June 29, 2011 at 10:13 PM


..FIFY. Obama’s the sow.

The War Planner on June 30, 2011 at 12:20 AM

My point is, the severity of the malaise may be such that it ends up being less of an anchor among some voters than it might have been in a more traditional recession. Some voters will reason that this is a global/structural problem, bigger than the presidency, and therefore he bears less responsibility for it than he might in other circumstances.

Not a bad point if you consider this, or if many voters consider this, a Hoover/Roosevelt scenario. But Roosevelt inherited a depression, not simply a bad recession, which is why I think voters hung in with him for much longer than he deserved. There’s no reason we should not be able to pull out of a recession, absent consistently horrible economic decisions from the top. Unfortunately, that’s what we have.

Erich66 on June 30, 2011 at 12:29 AM

The problem with this poll and your take on it is that the people who say it is in permanent decline would not be snapped out of that idea if the Republican presidential candidate went with “A new dawn in America is coming in 2013, one of freer markets, opening the floodgates of the entrepreneur.” I recall the last time we were in this situation, Americans were willing to vote for the Shining City Upon a Hill. He may not have said those exact words in the run up to the election, but his spirit exuded that level of confidence, a well founded confidence.

astonerii on June 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Kind of O/T, but it’s a symptom of what government poloccies are doing to the economy. Amazon just dumped all of their California advertising affiliates.

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trigon on June 30, 2011 at 1:13 AM

Obama approval rating: 47%

He hasn’t been blamed for the economy to date, otherwise he’d be around 39%-40%. He very well could skate.

xblade on June 30, 2011 at 1:22 AM

The more protracted America’s economic malaise is, the more I think voters will come to believe that it’s not a policy problem but a structural problem, and therefore the less inclined they’ll be to blame Obama for low GDP and high unemployment.

But what if it is indeed structural? What then?

Surely Dear Leader is happy about all this-most here agree on that…Cloward-Piven and all that.

Still, it would be a specious argument to say that if The One gets re-elected and things still stuck that it’s just more of the same Obama/Marxist strategy, and if a Republican gets elected and it still sucks, then we’ll be saying that The One’s presidency just did too much damage.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 30, 2011 at 2:01 AM

Every downturn is intractable when you don’t know your ass from your elbow!

Lonetown on June 30, 2011 at 4:19 AM

Some voters will reason that this is a global/structural problem

Um only the liberal pinheads? Everyone I talk to is laying it at his doorstep and rightly so.

dogsoldier on June 30, 2011 at 5:06 AM

The only reason more people aren’t blaming him, is because they are told often by the media and by Obama himself that this is Bush’s recession. That’s it. Eventually people will just get fed up with Obama as well.

The structural vs policy problem is an interesting theory, and may have happened when FDR was President, but this is a new age and the Republicans always make the case that the people took a chance on a young inexperienced Obama in 2008 and he has proven to be in over his head. If people start to think it’s a structural problem, then what would it hurt to change Presidents?

Daemonocracy on June 30, 2011 at 6:03 AM

Dern those ATM machines.

petefrt on June 30, 2011 at 6:04 AM

People who are discouraged and pessimistic, don’t vote. Voting is an act of the will and of hope. So if they do vote, most won’t be voting for Obama.

PackerBronco on June 29, 2011 at 10:39 PM

A good point. Perhaps not universal (what is?) but well worth considering when doing the math. That puts an even greater burden on those of us who are highly motivated to vote that we vote for real change and not just the next in line who thinks it’s “his turn”.

SKYFOX on June 30, 2011 at 6:09 AM

Your theory is all good UNLESS a Republican candidate effectively explains why your theory is a complete crock…which it is. BIG if.

winston on June 30, 2011 at 6:35 AM

allahpundit,
stop confusing loyalty for Obama and latent Bush blame with your meme that America in decline is good for Obama.

rob verdi on June 30, 2011 at 7:06 AM

Sorry, not buying this “its so bad it might be good for Obama”, not matter how you try and spin it or re-phrase it.

There is nobody with half a brain that is buying the BS that there’s nothing Obama could do about it.

deadrody on June 30, 2011 at 7:37 AM

I’m going to make a prediction.

Obama loses the election in 2012.

Instead of following the tradition of past Presidents, he refuses to assist with the transition (like what Clinton did to Bush) and makes it as hard as possible for the new President elect.

fossten on June 30, 2011 at 7:51 AM

There is nobody with half a brain that is buying the BS that there’s nothing Obama could do about it.

deadrody on June 30, 2011 at 7:37 AM

Are you suggesting that AP hangs out with half-brained people?
Not arguing the point…just wondering.

Extrafishy on June 30, 2011 at 7:53 AM

Instead of following the tradition of past Presidents, he refuses to assist with the transition (like what Clinton did to Bush) and makes it as hard as possible for the new President elect.

fossten on June 30, 2011 at 7:51 AM

I already suggested that his juvenile staffers will remove all the S and P keys from all the keyboards, a la missing “W’s” in 2001.

SKYFOX on June 30, 2011 at 8:00 AM

I already suggested that his juvenile staffers will remove all the S and P keys from all the keyboards, a la missing “W’s” in 2001.

SKYFOX on June 30, 2011 at 8:00 AM

I pray that is the most Obama does as he leaves Washington in 2013. I fear, though, that he will leave far more destruction in his wake, and I’m not talking about his policies. Once it becomes clear he’s going to lose, he’ll go scorched earth. It’s going to be an awful thing to watch.

Rational Thought on June 30, 2011 at 8:11 AM

If it can’t be fixed, why do we need him? Because of his nice smile? NOT. People don’t vote for someone to do a job that tells them it can’t be done.

txmomof6 on June 30, 2011 at 8:21 AM

I pray that is the most Obama does as he leaves Washington in 2013. I fear, though, that he will leave far more destruction in his wake, and I’m not talking about his policies. Once it becomes clear he’s going to lose, he’ll go scorched earth. It’s going to be an awful thing to watch.

Rational Thought on June 30, 2011 at 8:11 AM

That’s what worries me back in my 11:24 PM post. Obama doesn’t care for our system of laws nor do his “czars” or other appointees. Zero’s voters typically, literally have nothing to lose by causing unrest or worse since so many are on the government or union teat; often both. I think the decline eventually is reversible but it may take a thorough cleaning out of our government of those openly and quietly hostile to our Constitution. Whether that re-attainment of Constitutional freedoms will occur peacefully largely depends on how violent Zero, his thugs and thug judges plan to be should things not go their way in November 2012.

viking01 on June 30, 2011 at 8:29 AM

Nope, A’pundit you’re wrong again. But at least this time you’re not missing the threat. You’re just imagining one. Only the hard core lefties who are going to vote for Obama no matter what will buy into a narrative that says the nation is screwed no matter what and forever.

You’re also wrong about Obama’s ATM comment. He said it because he is stupid. He’s always been stupid. He always will be stupid. He’s a successful politician because he is willing to conduct business in a corrupt manner, and because he has the main stream media on his side and half way to his colon.

doufree on June 30, 2011 at 8:31 AM

doufree on June 30, 2011 at 8:31 AM

I agree completely

dogsoldier on June 30, 2011 at 8:34 AM

I already made this point at some length last week when writing about the recent AP poll, but let me repeat: The more protracted America’s economic malaise is, the more I think voters will come to believe that it’s not a policy problem but a structural problem, and therefore the less inclined they’ll be to blame Obama for low GDP and high unemployment. –Allah

Dude, you need to step back from the stove and sit down….

The more you and Ed delve into and spin this Inside Baseball/Inside GOP Politics stuff, the further detached from reality you guys become. Voters are not forgiving. They do not care what the reasons or rationale for making mistakes are (Just look how they punished Bush in his last term). They care about results. You cannot with a straight face, (and, yes, I know the Dhimmicrats are trying to do just that) try to make a case that America is better off in Obama’s first term that it would have been if he had just left everything alone and done nothing. He has actively made our economy worse. He has tried to change the American people to his values, which are certainly no where near close to the normal values we expose our families to every day.

The only reason there is perceived chaos in the GOP field is because it is early, and because the press is actively trying to suppress all of them in voters minds. Bachmann, Palin, Romney, Perry, even McCain could beat the snot out of Obambi come Election Day. And they all need to pile on…. The only telling fact in all this run up to the election is NONE of them will attack him yet or his record. But once the nominee is settled, there is no way Obama will ever receive a second term under the Constitution.

You heard it here first.

Subsunk

Subsunk on June 30, 2011 at 9:14 AM

This polling is a sign that the Socialists, Marxists and Communists are currently winning and the American people see the Republicans who should be fighting are too often complicit and when not complicit, they are impotent in any attempts to stop them.

RJL on June 30, 2011 at 5:55 PM