Poll: Indy voters edging away from Obama

posted at 3:20 pm on June 22, 2011 by Tina Korbe

First recent coeds, now independent voters: Right now, Obama is just not appealing to them as he once did. According to a Bloomberg poll released today, just 23 percent of independent voters say they are certain they will vote for Obama, while 36 percent say they will seek out another candidate. A red flag for the would-be reelected.

As might be expected, the economy appears to be the pivotal point:

Just 23 percent of those surveyed … say they are hopeful about the economy because they see signs of improvement, while 25 percent say they are fearful things are getting worse and 51 percent are cautious because nothing seems to be happening.

Those signs of economic pessimism aren’t helping Obama’s reelection bid.

Sixty-one percent of Americans say they believe the president will have had a chance to make the economy “substantially better” by the end of 2012, while 37 percent say he won’t have. Forty-four percent of Americans say they are worse off than they were when Obama took office, while 34 percent say they are better off and 21 percent say they are doing about the same.

A run on his record will apparently be trickier for the president than his 2008 run on rhetoric — and no wonder. To review: During Obama’s term in office, the federal government has run record-high deficits, spending has climbed at an ever steeper rate, debt has climbed to more than $14 trillion and unemployment has hovered around a painfully high 9 percent.

That’s not to say Republicans don’t have their work cut out for them. The Bloomberg poll reveals more voters worry that “Republicans will gain control of both houses of Congress and the presidency and will implement their proposed cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and many other domestic programs” than worry about a second Obama term.

But interestingly, more voters also say they prefer spending cuts to stimulus spending to cope with the crippled economy. Specifically, 55 percent say they think “spending cuts and tax cuts will give businesses more confidence to hire” — and cited that solution as the one most likely “to be successful in growing the U.S. economy and creating jobs” (still the No. 1 issue for voters).

This suggests more voter education is needed, especially about entitlements. After all, entitlement debt dwarfs all other spending. In the future, Medicare faces unfunded obligations of $37.9 trillion, Social Security unfunded liabilities of $7.7 trillion. Those liabilities have to be addressed — and, unfortunately, whatever approach the government takes will likely have to include cuts to programs people would like to be able to count on and enjoy. I’d rather not phrase it that way, though. Is it really a cut to admit candidly the country doesn’t have the money to spend in the first place and to restructure the program to accommodate what the nation can afford?

Personally, I’d prefer serious reform to false promises and, for the most part, it looks like independents feel the same way.


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It’s like he’s not our boyfriend anymore or something.

Vyce on June 22, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Independents who voted for Obama can never call themselves that.

Such as lefties can not call themselves: progressive, democratic and independent.

They simply hijacked the terms.

Lefties are either looters or moochers, the former promoting plantations, the latter being gnats/plankton/sheep.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Edging is racist.

The Mega Independent on June 22, 2011 at 3:24 PM

“…edging away…”???

We call it a stampede in these parts.

Roy Rogers on June 22, 2011 at 3:25 PM

First recent coeds, now independent voters:

Really? Every poll I’ve seen in the last 1.5 years has shown indies moving away from the President. On every major issue. This doesn’t seem like a new phenomenon.

joejm65 on June 22, 2011 at 3:25 PM

and unemployment has hovered around a painfully high 9 percent.

Which itself is utter bullcrap. If the actual numbers were fairly tabulated the real unemployment number is up around 17%, but no, we have a lying administration and a feckless media pushing a fantasy figure on us.

Bishop on June 22, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Even more despicable are the so-called Rs who voted for Obama.

Even more perturbing are so-pretended-smart people, like Wynn, Mort Zuckerman and other fools who did the same.

Any sane person, with the slightest sense of psychology, should have seen through the charlatan of all times.

On the other hand, the alternative was an incontinent nutty geeser.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:26 PM

I know, I’ll blame bush again, that should do the trick
-dear leader

cmsinaz on June 22, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Bishop on June 22, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Plus, the part-timers, underemployed percentage is huuuuge!!!

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:26 PM

First recent coeds, now independent voters: Right now, Obama is just not appealing to them as he once did.

What about the gays?

MeatHeadinCA on June 22, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Soon, ahead of being primaried, Obama will announce “for the love of my children, and Mooch-hell, I will not run for a second term”.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Obama doesn’t care. He’s laid the groundwork for the destruction of America as we know it and doesn’t believe Americans, nor any politician has the guts to change what he’s done.

darwin on June 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Perhaps if Teh One were simply to place out his hands upon the masses as if they were mere babes…

catmman on June 22, 2011 at 3:29 PM

But, but, Huntsman wants ‘civility’.

Milbank had it right – it’s a ticket to lose, from the get go. Plus, Huntsman is just the Phantom of Obama.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Soon, ahead of being primaried, Obama will announce “for the love of my children, and Mooch-hell, I will not run for a second term”.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Totally plausible. Obama is losing the party establishment.

Democrats Join with Republicans Against Obama

Roy Rogers on June 22, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM

I fully expect that. But who runs instead, Joe “I still frequent diners that closed years ago” Biden?

Akzed on June 22, 2011 at 3:35 PM

The media lickspittles are busy dusting off their “The public is just too stupid uninformed to understand PBHO’s brilliance” meme.

Bishop on June 22, 2011 at 3:35 PM

The 2012 question, “are you better off than 4 years ago

Plus, “it’s the economy, stupid” – they’d pay Carville a billion, if he could make this to their advantage, alas…

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM

I fully expect that. But who runs instead, Joe “I still frequent diners that closed years ago” Biden?

Akzed on June 22, 2011 at 3:35 PM

No, Hillary

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Akzed on June 22, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Hillary “I Am A Genuine Moderate Democrat” Clinton.

Roy Rogers on June 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM

I wish the Republicans would do a better job of explaining that when we repeal Obamacare, half a trillion dollars of Obama/Democrat Medicare Cuts will be restored.... so that even with all of the Ryan reforms implemented, Medicare will be much better off!!!

landlines on June 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Honestly, what is this guy going to say in his re-election campaign? All he can do is rip into Republicans. Liberalism has failed the US, failed Greece, failed the rest of Europe, where they are all moving right. Put a conservative on the ballot, the times demand it.

Greek Fire on June 22, 2011 at 3:37 PM

The media lickspittles are busy dusting off their “The public is just too stupid uninformed to understand PBHO’s brilliance” meme.

Bishop on June 22, 2011 at 3:35 PM

While the public is not very smart (they fell for the malicious fool), they are just a tad smarter than the Obama-azzcrawling media.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:37 PM

well, I am sure the Gop is cooking up a McCain/Dole hybrid to create a genetically modified super loser of a candidate. All the negatives, none of their putative positives. Squishy on conservative values, bad personality, sadly embarrassed about ignorant fool’s warped perception of republican party, only too eager for MSM approval, you know, we can build a better RINO.

joeindc44 on June 22, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Obama will go down as on the greatest snakeoil salesman of the 21st century.

People susceptible to being fooled, were fooled on the grandest of scales.

There’s not enough dumb people in America to vote him for a second term. Right, independents?

BruthaMan on June 22, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Honestly, what is this guy going to say in his re-election campaign?

Greek Fire on June 22, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Vote for me and I’ll set you free!

Roy Rogers on June 22, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Don’t ever forget….it was the Indies that gave us Obama. Not the leftards.

And that is a headline you’ll never see.

BobMbx on June 22, 2011 at 3:39 PM

I saw a comment on another blog that I think would make a great sign or t-shirt:

In 2008 you proved you weren’t a racist. In 2012 prove you’re not an idiot.

JohnInCA on June 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Obama has resurected Carter.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Honestly, what is this guy going to say in his re-election campaign?

Greek Fire on June 22, 2011 at 3:37 PM

If you didn’t like the first scrooming, here’s deja vu.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Honestly, what is this guy going to say in his re-election campaign?

Greek Fire on June 22, 2011 at 3:37 PM

All he needs is 21% of the voting population because he could show home movies of himself having sex with dogs and dead birds, not say a word on the campaign trail and still net 30% of the vote.

After all, he’s a remarkable leader.

BobMbx on June 22, 2011 at 3:42 PM

As might be expected, the economy appears to be the pivotal point:

True, but the country is at a very pivotal point. 2012 will tell and decide. One shouldn’t hope for too much, as the right are often even bigger fools than the left.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:42 PM

They’re just not that into you.

Good Lt on June 22, 2011 at 3:43 PM

In other news, independent voters continue to move towards the conclusion that the burning pain and difficulty breathing they’re experiencing may be the result of the uncontrolled fire in the room.

Blacklake on June 22, 2011 at 3:43 PM

After all, he’s a remarkable leader.

BobMbx on June 22, 2011 at 3:42 PM

30% have wet toilet paper for brains.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:43 PM

When hiring a new HR manager, a business should require an answer to the question “Did you vote for Obama?”

A “Yes” answer would result in automatic rejection because the candidate will have proven that he (she) is incapable of determining which applicants are qualified.

landlines on June 22, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Ah, but he can still use his address to the Nation on Afghanistan later on to either demonstrate his proven leadership skills, or most likely prove beyond a shadow of a doubt how much of a completely incompetent boneheaded dolt he really is!

Guess it will depend on which direction them thar headwinds are blowin’!

pilamaye on June 22, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Nice to hear Independents want their letter jackets and record albums back. Breaking up is hard to do, especially with prom King.

Tim Zank on June 22, 2011 at 3:46 PM

Calling out all you independents!!!

If you are really independent you will do your homework
in researching candidates records.

Go to Conservatives4Palin.com for the real record on Palin.
Go to Organize4Palin for more info

See “The Undefeated”!

Amjean on June 22, 2011 at 3:50 PM

The media lickspittles are busy dusting off their “The public is just too stupid uninformed to understand PBHO’s brilliance” meme.

Bishop on June 22, 2011 at 3:35 PM

While the public is not very smart (they fell for the malicious fool), they are just a tad smarter than the Obama-azzcrawling media.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Yep, Smart enough to know that bombing Kadaffy every day is in fact “hostilities”. Smart enough to know the Stimulus didn’t work. Smart enough to know Obamacare is a mess. The media can’t protect him anymore.

forest on June 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Amjean on June 22, 2011 at 3:50 PM

The video of the protests outside theaters showing “The Undefeated” will be campaign GOLD!

Roy Rogers on June 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM

First recent coeds, now independent voters: Right now, Obama is just not appealing to them as he once did. According to a Bloomberg poll released today, just 23 percent of independent voters say they are certain they will vote for Obama, while 36 percent say they will seek out another candidate. A red flag for the would-be reelected.

Which adds up to 59% of Independent voters, and 41% don’t know yet. If the GOP candidate can get half of the “don’t knows”, he walks into the White House.

I wish the Republicans would do a better job of explaining that when we repeal Obamacare, half a trillion dollars of Obama/Democrat Medicare Cuts will be restored…. so that even with all of the Ryan reforms implemented, Medicare will be much better off!!!

landlines on June 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Shout this from the rooftops!!! Unfortunately, Romney’s not the one to do it, after what he did in Mass.

Steve Z on June 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM

All he needs is 21% of the voting population because he could show home movies of himself having sex with dogs and dead birdsand Anthony Weiner, not say a word on the campaign trail and still net 30% of the vote.

After all, he’s a remarkable leader.

BobMbx on June 22, 2011 at 3:42 PM

FIFY.

Steve Z on June 22, 2011 at 3:56 PM

With any luck they’ll stay away in droves in 2012.

Fortunata on June 22, 2011 at 3:56 PM

In other news, independent voters continue to move towards the conclusion that the burning pain and difficulty breathing they’re experiencing may be the result of the uncontrolled fire in the room.

Blacklake on June 22, 2011 at 3:43 PM

*ding ding ding ding ding*

We have a winner.

iurockhead on June 22, 2011 at 4:11 PM

Personally, I’d prefer serious reform to false promises and, for the most part, it looks like independents feel the same way.

That’s why this Independent support Sarah Palin. A reformer with a record to prove it.

Dr Evil on June 22, 2011 at 4:11 PM

The 2012 question, “are you better off than 4 years ago”

Plus, “it’s the economy, stupid” – they’d pay Carville a billion, if he could make this to their advantage, alas…

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Are you better off today than you were 2 years ago?

ted c on November 1, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Yep.

crr6 on November 1, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Are you better off now than you were two years ago?

Absolutely.

crr6 on May 30, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Let me guess, crr6 is a fudge packer? I understand fudge packing is a growing cottage industry in some blue states.

Roy Rogers on June 22, 2011 at 4:26 PM

While the public is not very smart (they fell for the malicious fool), they are just a tad smarter than the Obama-azzcrawling media.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Not sure I agree.

One duped the other; so which one is smarter – the dupe-er or the dupe-ee?

And the fact that Obama *still* has a double-digit approval rating goes quite aways towards substantiating that the public is, in significant percentages, still pretty stinking stupid.

Midas on June 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Fool me once will be the mantra of the indies and college kids.

csdeven on June 22, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Amjean on June 22, 2011 at 3:50 PM

The video of the protests outside theaters showing “The Undefeated” will be campaign GOLD!

Roy Rogers on June 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM
Oh, blow it out your shorts buddy!
The ignorant dumbasses that waste their time protesting
a movie aren’t worth anyone’s time.

Amjean on June 22, 2011 at 4:38 PM

“…edging away…”???

We call it a stampede in these parts.

Roy Rogers on June 22, 2011 at 3:25 PM

They aren’t edging away, they are being driven away by his policies. Apparently a lot of people like him (???) but don’t like his policies, and if he changed them they might take him back, kind of like an abused wife.

txmomof6 on June 22, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Midas on June 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM

There were Independents that voted for Obama over McCain in 2008, because they bought the Democrat’s rant, that McCain was Bush’s 3rd term. A lot of people were angry about TARP passing in September of 2008. I didn’t vote for Obama, but the idea behind Independents voting for Obama was that he wasn’t Bush. That’s how the Democrats ran the 2008 election against Bush although he wasn’t on the ticket. That has turned out not to be true. Obama has kept many of George W Bush’s policies. When Scott Brown (R) was elected to Ted Kennedy’s old Senate Seat, in bluest Massachusetts. Obama commented: I know what got Scott Brown elected in Massachusetts it’s the same “ANGER” that got me elected in 2008 The Tea Party and PUMA were very instrumental in getting Scott Brown elected in Massachusetts. In a state like Massachusetts that is heavily Democrat the Republicans needed the Indies to turn out for them, and they did. For all the good it did them.

There is an old saying fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I doubt seriously that the Independents are going to turn out for the Democrats in mass in 2012. There is a name for what happened in 2008 “Bamboozled”

Dr. Shaw focused his talk on Independent defections from the Democratic party. White Independents swung heavily back to Republicans candidates (60%-34%) after their support for Democrats in 2008 and 2006. Only 1 in 5 Independent voters now say they intend to vote for Obama in 2012. Why are Democrats having such difficulty with Independents? For Dr. Shaw, the answer in part lies with the perception of independent voters that Democrats are farther to their left than Republicans are to their right on policy preferences.

2010 Mid Term results shows, the it’s all Bush’s fault meme has ran out of juice.

Dr Evil on June 22, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Independents who voted for Obama can never call themselves that.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Oh, there were plenty of indies who voted for him in 2008 who are not (or, at least, shouldn’t be considered) lefties. Supposing, of course, that you’re definition of “leftie” is not ridiculously puritanical, as in “anyone not a true conservative is a leftie”. There were a lot of independents who were fatigued from 8 years of Republican rule under Bush, and were persuaded by Obama because they wanted to believe that he really was the myth that he presented himself to be (that is, a centrist with bipartisan leanings).

Such individuals DO have a good chance of voting against him this time around. I know Mitt Romney is poison on this blog, but I think he has shown an interesting strategy toward appealing to those voters, which I think every Republican – Establishment or “true conservative” Reaganite – should adopt, and that’s insinuate to these indies that they were deceived. Look at the sort of language Mitt’s used – talking about how Obama promised a lot, and that he’s “failed America”. It’s very tempting to turn to such indie voters and go, “see? WE were right about him ALL ALONG.” And, of course, that’s true. But people in general are resistant to admit they were wrong, so the more persuasive, if manipulative, argument for those indie voters is to continue on with the insinuation, that they MEANT well in voting for the Obama myth, but that they were “tricked” by Obama’s deception and his lies about his own competence and brilliance.

That allows them to save face, and it gives them a motivation to vote against him: anger.

It’s Machiavellian to use such tactics. But whatever. We need to play to win in 2012. If that means making indies dance like puppets on strings to vote for the GOP nominee, so be it.

Vyce on June 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM

that’s insinuate to these indies that they were deceived

Of course they were deceived – and they were very lazy not to ask more questions themselves.

But everyone is an ignorant victim in this country, right?

disa on June 22, 2011 at 4:59 PM

“…edging away…”???

We call it a stampede in these parts.

Roy Rogers on June 22, 2011 at 3:25 PM

..snarky comments aside (I mean no disrespect; just talking seriously here), it seems that there are more and more of these little gems — like bad poll numbers, the unceasing parade of bad economic news, and groups and types of supporters abandoning this jerk — that lead one to believe it might not be so hard to have him de-elected in 2012.

Remember how we all thought Reagan and Carter were dead even until that jerkwad (Carter, of course) conceded at 5:03 PM PST? Then the post-mortems came out that his campaign knew they were going to have their asss handed to them all along?

I’ll betcha something like that is going on here and the post-election stink bomb about Obama’s administration will make a feeder lot smell like a perfume factory.

The War Planner on June 22, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Soon, ahead of being primaried, Obama will announce “for the love of my children, and Mooch-hell, I will not run for a second term”.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM

..oh, oh, oh, stop that! For a moment there I almost soiled myself from outrageous joy!

The War Planner on June 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM

A run on his record will apparently be trickier for the president than his 2008 run on rhetoric

No kidding! For the FIRST TIME in his life, Barry is going to have to run on his …. uhh ….. “accomplishments”.

Those should take all of ZERO seconds to enumerate.

GarandFan on June 22, 2011 at 6:37 PM

It’s Machiavellian to use such tactics. But whatever. We need to play to win in 2012. If that means making indies dance like puppets on strings to vote for the GOP nominee, so be it.

Vyce on June 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM

But that won’t happen, that’s why we are Independents in the first place. We are tired of Brand X and Brand Y’s parties deceit and manipulations.

Dr Evil on June 22, 2011 at 7:14 PM

“…edging away…”???

We call it a stampede in these parts.

Roy Rogers on June 22, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Edging away, that’s rich.

whbates on June 22, 2011 at 8:52 PM

People who are about to venture into adding to their companies or investing in companies need three critical things, the confidence they need to proceed, the money to invest, and sufficient return on the investment to make investing in a new company or additions in an existing company worth while.

If we tax away the “rich” people’s investment money then how do we get our loans for new cars, our new home, our new business, our new business expansion, our new jobs creation endeavor? Contrary to the left’s Scrooge McDuck vision of the rich bathing in pools of cash, the real people who are earning serious incomes save it and invest it. The savings represent money banks can invest. The investments represent the cash resources to expand or create businesses. Take that away and soon enough investment goes away.

Encouraging investment by leaving money in the hands of the rich is about the only long term win strategy. Every other choice leaves people ever poorer with no hope of anything more than a short term increase in personal well being.

{^_^}

herself on June 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM