Pew poll: 56% wants troops removed from Afghanistan as soon as possible

posted at 10:00 pm on June 21, 2011 by Allahpundit

In a vacuum, I’d say the poll is stupid since everyone wants the troops home “as soon as possible.” But this isn’t a one-shot deal; they’ve been tracking the question since September 2008, and, well…

Three years ago, 61 percent favored keeping troops in place until the situation had stabilized versus just 33 percent who supported withdrawal ASAP. Last year the split had narrowed to 53/40; last month, right after the Bin Laden raid, the withdrawal contingent leaped ahead to a very narrow 48/47 lead, and now six weeks later it’s no contest. This isn’t the only recent poll showing major movement in public opinion on the war either. A few weeks ago, CBS found a massive 16-point surge over the past month in support of decreasing troop levels in Afghanistan. I don’t know how to explain the sudden spikes except as a slightly delayed reaction to killing Osama, which of course was one of the goals of the operation in the first place — convincing the public that the mission in Afghanistan, such as it is, has now basically been accomplished by turning the head of Al Qaeda into fish food. The fact that 51 percent also say they expect the U.S. to achieve its goals in the country and believe that the military effort is going “very well” confirms that people aren’t endorsing pulling out in despair and exasperation at Karzai but in the conviction that we’ve … sort of done what we came to do. Imagine their surprise if/when we leave and what’s left of Al Qaeda starts creeping back over the border.

According to the Times, Obama will most likely order a drawdown of all 30,000 surge troops by the end of next year, but the precise timetable for pulling them out won’t be revealed until tomorrow night. Now that he has license from the public to be more aggressive, he could play it one of two ways: Remove a sizable number of troops right now (as the Standard foresaw yesterday) or lay down the “all the surge troops out by 2013″ baseline tomorrow and punt the mechanics to Petraeus. Or, actually, he could play it a third way, by ordering a limited withdrawal of, say, 5,000 troops immediately to satisfy doves and pair it with the 2013 withdrawal baseline, with the full timetable to be decided after further consultations with the Pentagon. That seems safe-ish and bound to make no one very happy, which is a hallmark of The One. Consider that my prediction. As for the GOP, eyeball the line in the data table above vis-a-vis people who agree with the tea party. The number in favor of withdrawal ASAP doubled in just a year. Where does that leave Republican candidates? I’ll leave with you two quotes that are on the wires right now; try to guess which would-be nominee said which. Quote one:

When asked whether he could support “taking out the surge troops.. by 2012,” [Candidate X] said: “I think that we need to transition into a counter-terror effort as quickly as we can.” But, what about getting troops out faster? “Definitely, get American troops out faster,” said [Candidate X]. “Transition into what would be more in line with intelligent- intelligence collecting, uh, special forces on the ground, some training needs obviously with the Afghan army, and that’s not a hundred thousand soldiers.”

Downright Biden-esque! And quote two:

In an hourlong interview, [Candidate Y] took a hawkish position at a time when prominent Republicans have publicly called for significant troop reductions and polls have shown increasing doubt among GOP voters that the conflict can be won. [Candidate Y] said he supported Obama’s 2009 troop surge but was “very disappointed that he also simultaneously announced the withdrawal deadline in the same speech.”

“It reflects a political thinking on his part, rather than allowing the conditions on the ground and a sharp definition of the mission to determine what we do next,” he said. “So I don’t think he should put arbitrary numbers and deadlines out there. I think you draw down the troops in Afghanistan as circumstances on the ground warrant.”…

“I wouldn’t be overly anxious to get the troops out of there until we have enough stability and capacity within the Afghanistan security forces to take up the slack,” [Candidate Y] said. “We need to make sure we do not send the message that we are leaving just because we’re tired or just because it’s too difficult.”

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Pew poll: 56% wants troops removed from Afghanistan as soon as possible
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Pew poll:

56% wants troops p*ssed on,and grave desecration
upon in Afghanistan ASAP!
(snark).

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:04 PM

I want Obamacare repealed AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SouthernGent on June 21, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Did they ask the obvious followup question, “when do you want them to go back?”

malclave on June 21, 2011 at 10:08 PM

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Dude, you’re an idiot.

Bugler on June 21, 2011 at 10:08 PM

The afghan conflict had support when it was about getting bin laden. But after Bush said that bin laden was only one man, and started talking about saddam instead that was when even conservatives started to realize that Afghanistan wasn’t a war to avenge 9/11 but another nation building fiasco. And the longer this thing drags on, the more become disillusioned with what should have been over and done with 9 years ago.

keep the change on June 21, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Premature?

m0nkeyb0y on June 21, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Karzai is a corrupt a-hole. These people will never accept anything but their seventh-century lifestyle. It’s the way they want to live. Pull the troops out, send the Taliban and company a steady dose of tomahawk and smart-bomb care packages when warranted. Put some of these troops on our southern border.

Monitor them with drones, keep ‘em unsettled with strikes.

Petreaus is doing his best, but this admin will eventually undermine him anyway.

predator on June 21, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Bring our soldiers home now and put them our borders.

If that makes me an isolationist, so be it.

Knucklehead on June 21, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Ron Paul!1!

Or something.

Kensington on June 21, 2011 at 10:11 PM

So,Obama,has not much time left,to End the wars,
and Appease his Anti-War Activists!!

The Hopey/Changey Five Pillers of
Perpetual Hope and NeverEnding Change,
2012 Campaign Re-Election Make-Over,
Narrational New Progressive Mindset/
WorldMindSet Non-Isolationist Operation
Deception/Perception Mission!!
(snark).

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Me thinks the talks with the Tall-E-Bon,
must be going smoothly with Team Hope!
(sarc).

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Just Come Home.

JohnGalt23 on June 21, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Troop reduction to be timed as smoothly as possible for the 2012 election: “Looky here, I’ma bringin’ the troops home!”

Bishop on June 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:04 PM
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Dude, you’re an idiot.

Bugler on June 21, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Bugler:Obama wants out of Afghanistan ASAP,a lot of US
and Allies blood were shed,I take it as a insult
to American/Canadian Troops!

Thats what I meant!!

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:17 PM

I got Huntsman right and the second one I figured was Pawlenty or Bachmann, so I should get half credit.

We increased our presence in Afghanistan because our troops were undermanned, strained and in danger as a result. Polls should not dictate our war strategy and I say this a growing skeptic of the Afghan war. You’re either all in or all out and if we do pull out, we better be ready to go back in once another terror state is formed.

Daemonocracy on June 21, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Troop reduction to be timed as smoothly as possible for the 2012 election: “Looky here, I’ma bringin’ the troops home!”

Bishop on June 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Everything since mid March Jan. 2008 has been about November 2012.

darwin-t on June 21, 2011 at 10:20 PM

I was for this war when it first began. Even before BHO was elected, I started to be against it. If the modern US military cannot accomplish its mission in almost 10 years, what will we do in the next few years that hasn’t been done already??

The military needs some much needed down time just in case they are truly needed for something of national importance in the next few years.

ny59giants on June 21, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Troop reduction to be timed as smoothly as possible for the 2012 election: “Looky here, I’ma bringin’ the troops home!”

Bishop on June 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Bishop:Exactly!:)

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:23 PM

If the modern US military cannot accomplish its mission in almost 10 years, what will we do in the next few years that hasn’t been done already??

We could try removing their ROE cuffs and allow them to do what they do best while leaving the social programs to someone else.

Bishop on June 21, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Troop reduction to be timed as smoothly as possible for the 2012 election: “Looky here, I’ma bringin’ the troops home!”

Bishop on June 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM

You are a national HA treasure.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Whatever mission we could accomplish already has been; we’ve beaten the Taliban, iced Osama, and handed them democracy on a silver f*cking plater.

Get our soldiers out of there already…and if that flyspeck of a ‘nation’ ever bothers us again, darken the sky with missiles.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 21, 2011 at 10:28 PM

Obama wants out of Afghanistan ASAP,a lot of US
and Allies blood were shed,I take it as a insult
to American/Canadian Troops!

Thats what I meant!!

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Yep. And he’s doing it to appease his lefty base for the election. I’ll grant you that.

But I still say this has to end at some point. Karzai is a crook. 70% or more of those people are illiterate and likely to stay that way. If the Tally-ban starts getting out of line, we can always smack them around again.

Obama will dump on Petraeus to save his own political a$$. I don’t want to see that happen either.

I’ve long been against telegraphing when we were going to leave because the bad guys will just hold off until we leave and then strike again. But we can’t stay there forever.

As for Afghan security forces? Get ‘em trained, get ‘em armed, and then leave it to them.

The number of people joining the security forces is going up rapidly I hear. That’s good. But let’s get it done and let them handle it.

predator on June 21, 2011 at 10:28 PM

If the modern US military cannot accomplish its mission in almost 10 years, what will we do in the next few years that hasn’t been done already??

By accident, mind you, drop something on Karzai and a few Paakis.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2011 at 10:28 PM

Only those deficient in math don’t get Obama’s game.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2011 at 10:29 PM

I’ll totally settle for “Bin Laden’s dead, Mission Accomplished” reasoning. This has dragged on for a decade and we got the head of AQ, which is a big enough win for me to say get out of that 7th century hellhole and give our troops a break. Like Herman Cain said, we don’t even know what the mission is there anymore, and if we don’t know the mission then there is no need to put American soldiers in harm’s way.

Afghanistan isn’t Iraq and never was. We should monitor activity there, but we no longer have any reason to provide the Taliban and other terrorist elements with 100,000 targets.

I hope they can kill Zawahiri on the march back home though.

BKennedy on June 21, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Pew poll: 56% wants troops removed from Afghanistan as soon as possible

Okay….thank God real leadership does not conduct policy by the polls:


AP Poll: Most see Iraq war as failure

By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer (11 Sep 2007)
http://www.brussellstribunal.org/Polls260307.htm#AP

WASHINGTON – The public sees the Iraq war as a failure and thinks the U.S. troop buildup there has not worked, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll suggesting the tough sell President Bush faces in asking Congress and voters for more time.

The pessimism expressed by most people – including significant minorities of Republicans – contrasted with the brighter picture offered by Gen. David Petraeus. The chief U.S. commander in Iraq is telling Congress this week that the added 30,000 troops have largely achieved their military goals and could probably leave by next summer, though he conceded there has been scant political progress.


US surge has failed – Iraqi poll

http://www.brussellstribunal.org/Polls260307.htm#surge

Between 67% and 70% of the Iraqis polled believe the surge has hampered conditions for political dialogue, reconstruction and economic development, according to the August 2007 findings.

Only 29% think things will get better in the next year, compared to 64% two years ago.

The number of people wanting coalition forces to leave immediately rose since February’s poll but more than half – 53% – still said they should stay until security improved.

Global Poll: Majority Wants Troops Out of Iraq Within a Year
http://www.brussellstribunal.org/Polls260307.htm#global

A majority of citizens across the world (67%) think US-led forces should leave Iraq within a year, according to a BBC World Service poll of 23,000 people across 22 countries. Just one in four (23%) think foreign troops should remain in Iraq until security improves.


Poll: Support for Iraq war reaches new low

WASHINGTON (CNN) – A new low of 30 percent of Americans say they support the U.S. war in Iraq and, for the first time, most Americans say they don’t believe it is morally justified, a poll released Tuesday said.

Asked during the latest poll how things are going for the United States in Iraq, more than two-thirds (69 percent) said badly – 4 percent said “very well,” 26 percent said “moderately well,” 25 percent said “moderately badly” and 44 percent said “very badly.”

…and we now know that real leadership stayed strong and helped bring victory in Iraq.

Real leadership is what this Nation is badly missing now.
Obama never addresses the goals of what is going on in
Afghanistan…nor does he inform the American people of the impending disaster if we are to lose in this theater.

It’s all politics all the time with Obama….and this faux “victory” that he will spin to the American people to justify this surrender will make his past cut-n-paste lies pale in comparison.

Obama promised a “smarter” plan to win in Afghanistan….he has delivered neither.

Baxter Greene on June 21, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Dude, you’re an idiot.
Bugler on June 21, 2011 at 10:08 PM

You might be Einstein himself, but you sure are clueless.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Thats what I meant!!

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:17 PM
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predator on June 21, 2011 at 10:28 PM

predator:I agree on every one of your points!:)

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Bishop on June 21, 2011 at 10:23 PM

That has been the problem for many years. There is too much political correctness involved in war. Before smart bombs, there was an expected number of civilian casualties allowed in bombs being dropped. Now, they are expected to be too precise and the repercussions for killing non-military personal is factored in too heavily. IMO, it started with Vietnam and has gotten worse in this area.

ny59giants on June 21, 2011 at 10:32 PM

IMO, it started with Vietnam and has gotten worse in this area.

ny59giants on June 21, 2011 at 10:32 PM

I agree. The backlash from that fustercluck just goes on and on and on.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 21, 2011 at 10:34 PM

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Our adorable Canadian friend, and HA looooong-time resident, ignore people who call you names, especially when they are clueless. Let it go over you as water runs down the backs of ducks. They lose the debate as soon as they do that. S/he is not worth your good nature and civility, not to mention your friendship and dedication.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Don’t have our soldiers wandering around as IED fodder in any Sharia Law Islamic hellhole.

Bomb from afar.

And bomb some more.

And bomb them to oblivion if need be.

Kill jihadis, don’t build Muslim states.

profitsbeard on June 21, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Obama promised a “smarter” plan to win in Afghanistan….he has delivered neither.

Baxter Greene on June 21, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Baxter Greens:Brilliant post,once again,on your poll
research timeline thingy!

Lefty’s live/die,er,politically by the poll!:)

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:36 PM

I just took a poll. 100% of my kids want candy for dinner and for school to be abolished.

crosspatch on June 21, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Fight the wars to win, or come home.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Obama promised a “smarter” plan to win in Afghanistan….he has delivered neither.

Baxter Greene on June 21, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Like his “smarter” plans for healthcare, economy, etc. Obama needs to just stfu and let Petraeus finish it off in a timely fashion and then bring ‘em home. Obama will try to take credit for it, and with help from the msm he’ll succeed in the eyes of many. Whatever. Give General P his lead and get this done. Then. Get. Out.
No more than a couple of years more. BUT DON’T ANNOUNCE THAT!

predator on June 21, 2011 at 10:38 PM

profitsbeard on June 21, 2011 at 10:36 PM

+ several million

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Me thinks the talks with the Tall-E-Bon,
must be going smoothly with Team Hope!
(sarc).

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:13 PM

They are not going smoothly.
Remember..Obama ridiculed Musharaff for his “peace treaties” when he was bragging about his “superior plan” to win in Afghanistan back in 2008.
Now Obama has been trying to win “peace treaties” with the terrorist for 2 years. They have played a cat-n-mouse game with us and have no incentive since they know we are weak in leadership and constantly talk about heading towards the exits.
Even if some type of peace treaty is met..it will be ignored and laughed at by the Taliban/al-qaeda.

After tomorrow…..we will hear with increasing regularity,the cries of “victory” coming from the jihadist in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region and they will grow even stronger in the Middle East.

Baxter Greene on June 21, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Troops are not “nation builders”. If the troops are not there to WIN, then get them the hell out!

GarandFan on June 21, 2011 at 10:39 PM

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:17 PM
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Our adorable Canadian friend, and HA looooong-time resident, ignore people who call you names, especially when they are clueless. Let it go over you as water runs down the backs of ducks. They lose the debate as soon as they do that. S/he is not worth your good nature and civility, not to mention your friendship and dedication.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Schadenfreude:Yes,thankfully I’m a polite Canadian Righty,
unlike the Liberal types,who ad hominum attack
thingy!

I do remember first joining H/A,as I would of
taken it to heart,ones skin,does thicken up!

Thank-you for your support!:)

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:40 PM

Fight the wars to win, or come home.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2011 at 10:37 PM

And you can’t win this war when Obama told the whole world about his exit strategy and is now going to use our soldiers for his political gain in 2012.

Knucklehead on June 21, 2011 at 10:40 PM

IMO, it started with Vietnam and has gotten worse in this area.

ny59giants on June 21, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Imagine if that attitude had prevailed on June 6, 1944. Twelve hours into the operation we would have been back on the ships and headed for England.

predator on June 21, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Troops are not “nation builders”. If the troops are not there to WIN, then get them the hell out!

GarandFan on June 21, 2011 at 10:39 PM

It really is that simple.

darwin-t on June 21, 2011 at 10:42 PM

If the modern US military cannot accomplish its mission in almost 10 years, what will we do in the next few years that hasn’t been done already??
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We could try removing their ROE cuffs and allow them to do what they do best while leaving the social programs to someone else.

Bishop on June 21, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Bishop:If the Military were allowed WW2 Mentality,it would
be over in months!

I do like the idea of B-52 Carpet Bombing with Tactic
al Nukes,lighting up Afghanistan mountain tops,along
with C-130,coming in from behind,with MOABS and Daise
y Cutters,just to make sure!!!(a bit sarc).

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:44 PM

…. Polls should not dictate our war strategy….
Daemonocracy on June 21, 2011 at 10:20 PM

THIS.

Kenosha Kid on June 21, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Gotta get up for work in six hours. Later. Keep the faith.

predator on June 21, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Baxter Greens:Brilliant post,once again,on your poll
research timeline thingy!

Lefty’s live/die,er,politically by the poll!:)

canopfor on June 21, 2011 at 10:36 PM

…Polls should mean nothing if our leadership is committed to actually defeating the enemy.
We have superior firepower and military but don’t use it to it’s full extent.

Obama is going to claim that they have basically defeated al-qaeda in Afghanistan….
………..this is not true.
Yes we have made serious progress and continue to …but Obama choose to go light in his surge and Al-qaeda is returning:

Al Qaeda Makes Afghan Comeback

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704355304576215762431072584.html

By MATTHEW ROSENBERG And JULIAN E. BARNES
ASSOCIATED PRESS

U.S. and Afghan troops patrol in Kolack, in the Korengal Valley, in January 2010, above. As U.S. forces have pulled back from the region, al Qaeda militants are returning to set up training camps, hideouts and operations bases, U.S. and Afghan officials say.

…Of course Al-qaeda and the Taliban are one and the same when it comes to their desire to destroy the west.As long as Pakistan is allowed to fund,support,and train terrorist…there will be no “defeating Al-qaeda” in Afghanistan.

Baxter Greene on June 21, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Like his “smarter” plans for healthcare, economy, etc. Obama needs to just stfu and let Petraeus finish it off in a timely fashion and then bring ‘em home. Obama will try to take credit for it, and with help from the msm he’ll succeed in the eyes of many. Whatever. Give General P his lead and get this done. Then. Get. Out.
No more than a couple of years more. BUT DON’T ANNOUNCE THAT!

predator on June 21, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Exactly…
Quit fighting to win UN approval….
….we have the military advantage…we should use it,destroy the enemy(that’s the only way peace begins)…then come home.
By Obama’s plan….we will actually leave the enemy better armed and stronger than they were when we came in after 9/11.
For people who whine so much about “increasing recruitment” because of Gitmo…they sure don’t seem to concerned about the massive recruitment tool the jihadist will have when they are dancing in the streets yelling “we beat the US…we beat the Great Satan.”…..

Baxter Greene on June 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Petraeus:

The Taliban believe they can outlast the Coalition’s will to fight and believe this strategy will be effective despite short-term losses. The Taliban also believe they can sustain momentum and maintain operational capacity,” he wrote.

Baxter Greene on June 21, 2011 at 10:59 PM

where’s the poll showing how many Americans want out of the non-declared war in Libya?

katablog.com on June 21, 2011 at 11:01 PM

Obama’s idiocy in announcing withdrawal dates and times has always worked to the advantage of the enemy:

U.S. military campaign to topple resilient Taliban hasn’t succeeded

By Greg Miller
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 27, 2010; 12:47 AM

Escalated airstrikes and special operations raids have disrupted Taliban movements and damaged local cells. But officials said that insurgents have been adept at absorbing the blows and that they appear confident that they can outlast an American troop buildup set to subside beginning next July.

U.S. officials said Taliban operatives have adopted a refrain that reflects their focus on President Obama’s intent to start withdrawing troops in the middle of next year. Attributing the words to Taliban leader Mohammad Omar, officials said, operatives tell one another, “The end is near.”

….Obama has always been more concerned with the political ramifications of his decisions than he is with doing what it takes to achieve victory.His move tomorrow will do more to help the enemy than it will to help achieve any type of victory in Afghanistan.

Baxter Greene on June 21, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Who wants to be the last Soldier or Marine to die on the Obama/Petraues Alter of Hubris?

HalJordan on June 21, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Wanting to stay in Afcrapistan is abused wife syndrome on crack.

HalJordan on June 21, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Any victory over Islam does not lie in Afcrapistan. What an obscene waste of Blood and Treasure. OBL must be laughing his ass off in Hell.

HalJordan on June 21, 2011 at 11:24 PM

We already gave up on civilizing Afghanistan. It’s people don’t want to be civilized, and we’re not going to force them. It’s still a country where you can get torn limb from limb for being a Christian, and it always will be.

We never tried to get Afghanistan out of the drug trade.

If we’re going to leave when we know for sure the Taliban won’t come creeping back, we have to neutralize the place the Taliban would come creeping back from: nuclear-armed Pakistan. Anyone up for that? Me either.

This is a fiasco. We’re paying blood and money for nothing.

David Blue on June 21, 2011 at 11:27 PM

According to the Times, Obama will most likely order a drawdown of all 30,000 surge troops by the end of next year,

What a joke. That would still leave 70,000 troops – half again what Bush had. Like raising the price of a “sale item” from $45 to $100 and then saying you will cut it by 30%. What a sick joke.

HalJordan on June 21, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Obama had two “surges”. 22k troops, then 30k troops.

HalJordan on June 21, 2011 at 11:28 PM

Its people don’t want to be civilized, and we’re not going to force them. And if there ever was a time to try, it would have been when we first invaded, not now.

David Blue on June 21, 2011 at 11:30 PM

Bush had about 46k troops there. LBJ Obama escalated by about 22k troops. Then LBJ Obama escalated by another about 30k troops. Then dribbled in another 2k troops. Total escalation by LBJ Obama = 54k +/- troops.

HalJordan on June 21, 2011 at 11:32 PM

We could try removing their ROE cuffs and allow them to do what they do best while leaving the social programs to someone else.

Bishop on June 21, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Petraeus would never go for that. He is a “Holy Qur’an”/Islamic Hearts-and-Minds/COIN kind of guy. The anti-Patton.

HalJordan on June 21, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Yahweh, David Petraeus
Would never okay the way you do your thing
Ding ding ding, ding ding ding
And you’ll get yours, David Petraeus
Coddlin’ and sidin’ with that Islam stuff like you do
Boo hoo hoo, boo hoo hoo

Where have you gone, George S. Patton?
America turns its longing eyes to you
What’s that you say, David Petraeus?
You have banished ‘ol Blood and Guts far far away
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey

Coo coo ca-choo, David Petraeus
Mohammad appreciates you more than you will know
Woo woo woo, woo woo woo
You think Allah blesses you, yes, David Petraeus
And that he may grant mercy to those who Western Civilization betray
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey

Cheshire Cat on June 21, 2011 at 11:40 PM

It would have been better if all those troops had spent their time on the Mexican border, safely doing something useful.

David Blue on June 21, 2011 at 11:41 PM

What would Charles Martel do?

HalJordan on June 21, 2011 at 11:42 PM

I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less
absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself. BTW, Alexis de Tocqueville also said, No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country. Instead of being promoted to the CIA Petraues should be in Leavenworth.

HalJordan on June 21, 2011 at 11:48 PM

“I wouldn’t be overly anxious to get the troops out of there until we have enough stability and capacity within the Afghanistan security forces to take up the slack,” [Candidate Y] said.

The sun will burn out before then.

HalJordan on June 21, 2011 at 11:51 PM

Just what has Obama’s surge actually accomplished in Afghanistan????
…we certainly have made gains in eradicating the enemy…but we are far from achieving any long range goals.

Remember what Obama promised back in 2008:

“No. 3, we’ve got to deal with Pakistan, because al Qaeda and the Taliban have safe havens in Pakistan, across the border in the northwest regions, and although, you know, under George Bush, with the support of Senator McCain, we’ve been giving them $10 billion over the last seven years,(Obama has given them billions more) they have not done what needs to be done to get rid of those safe havens.
And until we do, Americans here at home are not going to be safe.
But I do believe that we have to change our policies with Pakistan. We can’t coddle, as we did, a dictator, give him billions of dollars and then he’s making peace treaties with the Taliban and militants.

…Obama stated himself that as long as the terrorist have the ability to train,fund,and support terrorist in this region….America will not be safe.
This has not been accomplished in Afghanistan or Pakistan.
Anybody paying attention knows that taking out Osama was a goal but never a difference maker in winning the war.
So basically Obama has spent the last 2.5 years fighting battles with no conviction or plan to actually win the war.

Obama’s bragging tomorrow about taking out so many Al-qaeda leadership will ring about as hollow as bragging about taking out the Viet Cong on Hill #937 while the Ho Chi Minh trail was alive and well.

The Taliban and Al-qeada are one and the same when it comes to their desire to destroy the West:

The Long War Journal: Analysis: Al Qaeda is the tip of the jihadist spear

Written by Thomas Joscelyn & Bill Roggio on October 8, 2009 2:12 PM to The Long War Journal
Available online at: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/10/analysis_al_qaeda_is.php

Qaeda is not a standalone problem but instead one head of several on a jihadist hydra.

Al Qaeda was never a self-contained problem that could be defeated by neutralizing select individuals – even though capturing or killing senior al Qaeda members surely does substantially weaken the network.
Instead, Osama bin Laden and his cohorts deliberately fashioned their organization to be the tip of a much longer jihadist spear.

…this idea that we have “defeated al-qaeda” in Afghanistan is nothing more than spin meant to provide cover for surrender in Afghanistan.
To leave the Taliban in power in Afghanistan is to leave Al-qaeda in power.
To leave without achieving the very goals that Obama stated himself of eradicating the region of the ability to train and support terrorist and launch attacks means we have failed.

Baxter Greene on June 22, 2011 at 12:06 AM

If we’re not going to create a supply corrode by carving a path from a Pakistan port to the Afghanistan border and blow away anything that moves within mortar range (destroying their nukes first of course) get the hell out of Afghanistan, and take every proven friend with us.

elfman on June 22, 2011 at 12:07 AM

As I always remind posters, Pew is not an honest polling organization, they have shown in the past that they will massage their work in order to give the impression that the public supports a cause that Pew is pushing.

slickwillie2001 on June 22, 2011 at 12:53 AM

It’s a Pew poll , It has not validity.
Nor do any polls that don’t show their raw date, democraphics, reasoning for their demos and the actual math to bring in the results

It is not a coincidence that the “polls” show support for troop removal “as soon as possible” and Obama’s coming removal of troops “as soon as possible”

Pew, gallup and all liberal polls produce results that liberals want , when they want them. Not all the past polls in the the last 3 years show support for troops staying until the job is done
Suddenly , according to Pew, Obama and the alledge opinions of the America people suddenly happen at the same time
Gallup did the same thing with “support for gays in the military”, coming out wth the same results in the general population as Gates found among combat troops….an unbelievable notion since the troops are heavily more conservative than the general population.
Polls are poltical propaganda, nothing more

LeeSeneca on June 22, 2011 at 1:16 AM

I’m pretty split on this. We gave turning around Afghanistan a shot, but there are simply too many jihadis out there to stop. We can’t ever really win unless we are willing to go all out and make it the 51st state. Since there’s no chance of that happening, it is probably better to leave.

WisCon on June 22, 2011 at 2:16 AM

56% of Americans will be proudly displaying Old Glory on their vehicles the day after thousands more are killed by Muslim terrorists…and angrily demanding why the Gov’t didn’t do something to prevent it!

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 22, 2011 at 5:06 AM

As soon as possible covers a lot of territory. I doubt that we will be completely out of Afghanistan for a long long time. That does not mean we will keep 100,000 people there indefinitely however.

Terrye on June 22, 2011 at 6:46 AM

These 56% had best be careful what they wish for. This is indeed “A Government in Serch of its Moment.”

http://theeveningchronicle.blogspot.com/2011/06/government-in-search-of-its-moment.html

LCT688 on June 22, 2011 at 7:01 AM

Face reality, Afghanistan is never going to be civilized. Why continue to pour men and money down an endless blackhole? There is a lot of blind support for staying the course in these comments, but what the heck do you people hope to accomplish?

matthewbit07 on June 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM

I wonder if Obama wants the troops home so he can deploy them here … against us. He hasn’t had a chance to create his well armed and well funded civilian security force yet.

darwin on June 22, 2011 at 7:42 AM

@darwin. My point exactly.

LCT688 on June 22, 2011 at 7:59 AM

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 22, 2011 at 5:06 AM

The government already HAS been “doing something about it” you thickwit, and it’s netted us nothing but fresh graves and more debt!

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 22, 2011 at 8:00 AM

Troop reduction to be timed as smoothly as possible for the 2012 election: “Looky here, I’ma bringin’ the troops home!”

Bishop on June 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Exactly.

kingsjester on June 22, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Why do so many people seem to not have the slightest frickin’ clue over the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism?

Are they simply stupid, or are they being deliberately misleading? It’s one or the other, and neither reflects well on them.

Rae on June 22, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Rae on June 22, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Blame Ron Paul for poisoning the well on that discussion, for about as long as he’s been the liberaltarian figurehead.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 22, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 22, 2011 at 5:06 AM

The government already HAS been “doing something about it” you thickwit, and it’s netted us nothing but fresh graves and more debt!

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 22, 2011 at 8:00 AM

You might want to consider changing your name there, son. Take down the Jane Fonda poster and love your country. Peace…Man.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 22, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 22, 2011 at 12:30 PM

But of course. LOL…

Rae on June 22, 2011 at 3:44 PM

We need to pull all our troops back and retool for all out world war against Jihadists. That isn’t isolationism, it’s good sense.

{^_^}

herself on June 22, 2011 at 4:09 PM