Climate conference faces brush with reality

posted at 7:15 pm on June 18, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

In case you missed it – and judging by the complete lack of coverage on the cable news networks you may very well have – there was yet another climate conference held this week in Bonn, Germany. But rather than the usual singing in the round of Bob Dylan tunes and boisterous plans to alter the world, there was a decidedly depressed tone to the discussions. It’s not that they’ve suddenly begun to question their previously held beliefs concerning anthropogenic global warming, (AGW) but rather a grim realization that most of the nations involved are a bit too busy making sure their economies don’t collapse to dump a significant portion of their GDP into carbon emission control.

The United States has little credibility at the negotiating table; China is showing signs of “buyer’s remorse” for commitments already made, and the European Union is desperately trying to save the Kyoto Protocol from a premature death.

Negotiators concluded two weeks of climate talks in Bonn on Friday, providing a sobering view of the political roadblocks on the way to Durban, South Africa, where ministers will meet in December.

With the world economy still reeling from financial and debt crises, there is a fading hope that countries will accept a pact that would see greenhouse gas emissions peak by 2015 and then begin to drop. And more important, that they will follow through with their own promised emission reductions.

The UN’s chief climate negotiator acknowledged Friday that economic and political challenges are competing with the scientific urgency of reducing emissions.

The “lack of credibility” cited regarding the United States was, at least according to a few of the participants interviewed, laid squarely at the feet of Barack Obama. Nobody was doubting that the president was talking the talk, but they saw no way he could walk the walk. Any plan which would require significant costs is rightly being viewed as a non-starter given our debt problems, and they further noted that Obama has lost control of the House, so a new, costly emissions regulation plan would never even make it to a vote.

The other problem causing the talks to essentially fall apart until their next meeting in December was the lack of buy-in by both China and some developing countries. Even if China participates, they are insisting on a “trust me” approach where no outside verification of compliance would be allowed. Smaller, developing countries are also balking, saying that the U.S. and the other major economic powers are getting off too easy and not paying enough of the costs.

All in all, this one looks to have been a complete flop. The participants seem to at least be waking up to the fact that the world is on the precipice of financial ruin and nobody is much interested in sinking themselves further just to push this group’s agenda.

EDIT: As helpfully pointed out in comments, while the Senate may be “out of control,” Reid is still a Democrat. Obama lost control of the House.

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When you lost Germany on the climate and saving crap…..

upinak on June 18, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Was Mitt Romney in attendance?

steebo77 on June 18, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Our C02 emissions are gonna go up soon when people are burning their furniture and paper money for heat in winters to come.

Ha

esnap on June 18, 2011 at 7:24 PM

If they really believed in this crap wouldn’t they find a way?…

Gohawgs on June 18, 2011 at 7:25 PM

If you can’t live with the propaganda you love, love the propaganda you ‘re stuck with.

Roy Rogers on June 18, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Can’t have carbon tax waivers if we don’t pass a heavy carbon tax legislation.

seven on June 18, 2011 at 7:28 PM

Poor Algore, poised to make so much more money, only to see this.

disa on June 18, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Yes, but….they haven’t looked at what our EPA is doing lately.

MaggiePoo on June 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

…and they further noted that Obama has lost control of the Senate, so a new, costly emissions regulation plan would never even make it to a vote.

House.

Although with the wonderful leadership of Harry you could say the Senate has been out of control for years, but Reid is still a D.

LifeTrek on June 18, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Our C02 emissions are gonna go up soon when people are burning their furniture and paper money for heat in winters to come.

Ha

esnap on June 18, 2011 at 7:24 PM

You are correct but these fanatics are seriously nuts. AGW is a hoax.

dogsoldier on June 18, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Our C02 emissions are gonna go up soon when people are burning their furniture and paper money for heat in winters to come.

Ha

esnap on June 18, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Not in California the bell weather of American politics. Some California counties have banned wood burning stoves in new homes. Others have restrictions on when you can use them. Liberalism really is a mental disorder.

Tommy_G on June 18, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Not in California the bell weather of American politics. Some California counties have banned wood burning stoves in new homes. Others have restrictions on when you can use them. Liberalism really is a mental disorder.

Tommy_G on June 18, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Well Tommy, when it’s 30 degrees in the house and snow on the ground and you are burning a nice fire in your fireplace or stove… I would have a nice gun with you, warmed by the fire, for the idiots who come over to try to stop you and your warm fire. :)

upinak on June 18, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Another AGW scam being uncovered: Changing Tides: Research Center Under Fire for ‘Adjusted’ Sea-Level Data

“The University of Colorado’s Sea Level Research Group decided in May to add 0.3 millimeters — or about the thickness of a fingernail — every year to its actual measurements of sea levels, sparking criticism from experts who called it an attempt to exaggerate the effects of global warming.”

slickwillie2001 on June 18, 2011 at 8:07 PM

Since I can’t afford to take out a full page ad in the New York Times or Washington Post, I’ll say it here.

Climate change is a hoax, and these carbon credit plans are scams.

KillerKane on June 18, 2011 at 8:07 PM

Good thing none of the GOP candidates would sign on to a Global Cap & Trade Plan.

CTSherman on June 18, 2011 at 8:15 PM

*sniffle*

jnelchef on June 18, 2011 at 8:19 PM

The United States has little credibility at the negotiating table; China is showing signs of “buyer’s remorse” for commitments already made, and the European Union is desperately trying to save the Kyoto Protocol from a premature death.

I visited this thread at 7:30. I just came back to read this sentence again.

Sweet; I think I’ll print it out, just to read it a few more times.

massrighty on June 18, 2011 at 8:23 PM

Don’t get me wrong; I do believe that if we tax people enough, change enough lightbulbs and drive enough electric cars, that we can – through sufficiently harsh legislation – change the thermal output of the sun at the center of our solar system.

Hey! Who’s with me?

kurtzz3 on June 18, 2011 at 8:27 PM

AGBS.

profitsbeard on June 18, 2011 at 8:28 PM

House.

Although with the wonderful leadership of Harry you could say the Senate has been out of control for years, but Reid is still a D.

LifeTrek on June 18, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Senate, as the Senate ratifies treaties, not the House. Obama lost his 60 seat filibuster-proof Senate, and therefore lost control of the Senate.

Remember the 1997 Senate vote – 95 to nada against Kyoto.

fred5678 on June 18, 2011 at 8:37 PM

So how many private jets and SUV’s were used?

GarandFan on June 18, 2011 at 8:37 PM

“With the world economy still reeling from financial and debt crises…”

Funny, isn’t it…?

… The financial and debt crises was caused by democrat liberal social engineering manipulation of the housing market.

And AGW is the world wide Marxist/Socialist social engineering attempt to control the population of the world, be it warming or cooling, and get all of those government grants…

… Now the financial crisis attempt at social engineering is affecting the AGW attempt at social engineering.

Anyone else find the humor in this…?

Seven Percent Solution on June 18, 2011 at 8:41 PM

The participants seem to at least be waking up to the fact that the world is on the precipice of financial ruin and nobody is much interested in sinking themselves further just to push this group’s agenda.

Oh, I’m not so sure. Shut down a few coal plants here and there, stop off-shore drilling, have your car company make electric cars, get the CAFE standards yet higher.
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There’s a lot a powerful person can do while others are trying to make it thru.

r keller on June 18, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Sorry red/greens. Nothing left to redistribute. Decades of half measure socialism has already killed the golden goose you wanted to kill with this climate rubbish.

forest on June 18, 2011 at 8:52 PM

I can’t believe we are still paying these morons to fly all over the world and have two week long meetings. It’s like watching a horde of locusts. You can bet they aren’t staying at Motel 6s and eating at McDonalds.

Isn’t there a recession on or something? Can’t we have a moratorium of world meetings for these parasites? Or make it no more than once a year for one weekend at least?

DaMav on June 18, 2011 at 9:23 PM

financial and debt crises was caused by democrat liberal social engineering manipulation of the housing market.

That’s not the primary conclusion reached by the authors of Reckless Endangerment- you’re misquoting Josh Rosner and clearly don’t understand their book.

Sorry red/greens. Nothing left to redistribute. Decades of half measure socialism has already killed the golden goose you wanted to kill with this climate rubbish.

Is that right? Did Bush’s more ‘pro-capitalism’ policies result in stronger economic or better job growth? No redistribution has occurred in this country; taxes on the wealthiest remain at historic loans and it’s the middle class that’s in decline, not the upper class.

bayam on June 18, 2011 at 9:27 PM

What they are giving up on their scam to shake down developed countries….The UN if only we could make them feel guilty for living so well….oh that’s right how many Americans are out of work and not living so well now. Got Guilt? Apparently Americans are waking up to the idea that living in a Banana Republic, isn’t all it’s chalked up to be.

. . . a money class fleeces the banking system, while the very trunk of the national tree is permitted to rot and crash. . . .
Christopher Hitchens

People get the government they deserve, Thomas Jefferson

Dr Evil on June 18, 2011 at 9:32 PM

bayam on June 18, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Yeah, right…

… Regulations that force banks to make loans to people who can’t afford them under the guise of the Community Reinvestment Act pushed by the Democrats wasn’t a democrat social engineering policy.

Why don’t you go stick your head back up your a%s…?

Seven Percent Solution on June 18, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Is that right? Did Bush’s more ‘pro-capitalism’ policies result in stronger economic or better job growth? No redistribution has occurred in this country; taxes on the wealthiest remain at historic loans and it’s the middle class that’s in decline, not the upper class.

bayam on June 18, 2011 at 9:27 PM

During the Bush years I was making 2X what I’m making now. So from a personalpoint yes.

darwin-t on June 18, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Our C02 emissions are gonna go up soon when people are burning their furniture and paper money for heat in winters to come.

esnap on June 18, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Meh! There’s always burger grease to heat your home and run your generator!

Kini on June 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM

I have an image, a vision of dozens, hundreds, of unemployed “climate scientists” hanging out in the public spaces of Berlin and other large cities of Europe performing as mimes and begging for loose change. May the spirit of Marcel Marceau guide you, losers.

ExpressoBold on June 18, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Awwww, they have run out of other people’s money..

tinkerthinker on June 18, 2011 at 9:50 PM

The UN’s chief climate negotiator acknowledged Friday that economic and political challenges are competing with the scientific urgency of reducing emissions.

The agreed upon .7C change with error bars of 1-2C over the 20th century isn’t in the category of scientific urgency. The error bars indicate at best we might have has a change in temperature and at worst it is shear noise with no meaning at all.

chemman on June 18, 2011 at 10:17 PM

bayam on June 18, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Taxes on the rich remain at historic lows (the IRS would disagree with you). I do believe you mean tax rates and even that is only since the income tax amendment was passed during Wilson’s ‘enlightened’ reign. Prior to that I do believe the rich had a lower tax rate and paid lower taxes overall.

As to the middle class declining that is a regulatory problem caused by big government nannies from both parties. Though the democrats tend to double/triple/quadruple down of stupid a whole lot more. In this case a pox on both their houses.

chemman on June 18, 2011 at 10:28 PM

“We need to fund James Hansen, so we can scare the peasants, so we can raise the taxes, so we can go to the conferences to figure out how to get more funds to James Hansen, so we can…”

Unless, of course, the peasants are rioting… in which case we need to rethink this a little.

AshleyTKing on June 18, 2011 at 10:47 PM

With the fall of the Soviet Union the Third World needed some other threat to keep the pork flowing from the West. AGW is exactly that threat. Without massive western payments to pay for “carbon reduction costs” how could third world thugs possibly keep money flowing into their Swiss bank accounts?

Fred 2 on June 18, 2011 at 11:32 PM

If they really believed in this crap wouldn’t they find a way?…

Gohawgs on June 18, 2011 at 7:25 PM

If they really believed in this crap, they’d have their meetings by conference call instead of jetting around the world spewing CO2.

CJ on June 19, 2011 at 12:05 AM

Meanwhile, it’s 17c downunder. Brrrr.

OldEnglish on June 19, 2011 at 12:24 AM

Not in California the bell weather of American politics.

The word is “bellwether” (no space or a), and has nothing to do with weather, or climate for that matter.

The Monster on June 19, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Guess it’s easier to embezzle and get away with it during good economic times than in bad.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 19, 2011 at 12:50 AM

AGW is a fraud. Fake scientist trying to prove fake science. Now it is time to save forests and the seas. Give these charlatans the Adios. They are criminals who have caused enormous damage by distracting from the real needs of environmentalism.

pat on June 19, 2011 at 2:22 AM

1.) Global warming is still a fraud.
2.) Bayam is still an idiot.
3.) Newt and Nancy’s “couch summit” was a colossal blunder for Gingrich.

Meanwhile Jugeared Jesus is abusing executive authority with various agencies implementing by fiat policies designed to make energy prices (coal, electricity, and gasoline) skyrocket which will crush an already reeling economy.

J.J. has little use for the separation of powers on which our nation was built and under which we have flourished. What good is a constitutional scholar who ignores the constitution whenever it suits his purposes?

These kinds of far-reaching changes should be legislated properly, not decreed by the self-appointed grinning buffoon Emperor Wannabe.

hillbillyjim on June 19, 2011 at 2:51 AM

If all of that isn’t bad enough, EPA regulations will force electricity producers to shut down 25% of existing power plants to remain in compliance with their onerous legislation through regulation. All of this is supposedly to fix a nonexistent problem.

All the while, the government is busily trying to shove electric cars down our collective throats. How the hell is the resultant increase in demand for electricity going to be met? Rolling blackouts, California style? No thanks.

The One is full-speed ahead with his anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-prosperity agenda.

hillbillyjim on June 19, 2011 at 2:59 AM

hillbillyjim on June 19, 2011 at 2:59 AM

It is not hopeless. Nuclear reactors really are not that hard to build. Just remember to bury it under 10, 15 feet of dirt, and to put up a few solar panels before you drop off the grid.

Slowburn on June 19, 2011 at 4:28 AM

What is that supposed to be a picture of? CO2? Are we as dumb as your typical J-School grad and just don’t realize that CO2 is an invisible gas?

MNHawk on June 19, 2011 at 7:32 AM

Did they discuss the faked numbers issued by the U of CO sea level research group? You know, the numbers they increased due to the rise of land masses. These people are beyond nuts and have become desperate. They see their power and fortune slipping away. BO is still trying to help the cause thru the epa, no drilling, no mining and battery powered toy cars. He’s got another year and a half to do damage.

Kissmygrits on June 19, 2011 at 8:57 AM

If they really believed in it they would use their own personal money to develop solutions. Of course they are only interested in stealing our money, so they will do nothing other than complain, pout and continue to lie.

ray on June 19, 2011 at 9:07 AM

All in all, this one looks to have been a complete flop.

It’s not just economics.

The hockey stick was shown to be a fraud. Climategate showed the duplicity of the primary AGW players. No warming for the last 15 years. Al Gore has become a joke. Snow in Copenhagen and record cold in Mexico during their confabs (God has a wonderful sense of humor). And now all the buzz is about the projected lack of sunspots that could become another Maunder Minimum (AKA the Little Ice Age).

Everything is falling against them. Mostly because they are flat wrong.

iurockhead on June 19, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Another AGW scam being uncovered: Changing Tides: Research Center Under Fire for ‘Adjusted’ Sea-Level Data……..
slickwillie2001 on June 18, 2011 at 8:07 PM

They’ve been doing that with temperature records for years. Temp adjustments always make it cooler in the past, warmer now. They have to fudge, or there would be no trend.

iurockhead on June 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM

One of the leading AGW scientist finally took a look at the data and found out he was scammed.


Carbon warming too minor to be worth worrying about

I encourage you to read the whole thing, but here is how it ends.

Even if we stopped emitting all carbon dioxide tomorrow, completely shut up shop and went back to the Stone Age, according to the official government climate models it would be cooler in 2050 by about 0.015 degrees. But their models exaggerate 10-fold — in fact our sacrifices would make the planet in 2050 a mere 0.0015 degrees cooler!

Finally, to those who still believe the planet is in danger from our carbon dioxide emissions: Sorry, but you’ve been had. Yes, carbon dioxide is a cause of global warming, but it’s so minor it’s not worth doing much about.

Financial Post
David Evans consulted full-time for the Australian Greenhouse Office (now the Department of Climate Change) from 1999 to 2005, and part-time 2008 to 2010, modelling Australia’s carbon in plants, debris, mulch, soils, and forestry and agricultural products. He is a mathematician and engineer, with six university degrees, including a PhD from Stanford University in electrical engineering. The comments above were made to the Anti-Carbon-Tax Rally in Perth, Australia, on March 23.

JeffinSac on June 19, 2011 at 10:42 AM

Yes, but….they haven’t looked at what our EPA is doing lately.

MaggiePoo on June 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Right, Øbama‘s not about to let a little thing like world financial collapse slow down his international socialist agenda.

petefrt on June 19, 2011 at 12:48 PM

unemployed “climate scientists” hanging out in the public spaces of Berlin and other large cities of Europe performing as mimes and begging for loose change.

Will falsify data and perpetrate massive fraud on a global scale for food.

BDavis on June 19, 2011 at 2:41 PM

A lie -no matter how big- is as powerful as a 100lb bully in a hurricane – only dangerous if the wind keep blowing in the right direction.

AGW is over -unless they re-elect Obama, in which case it isn’t going to be needed anymore. It was designed in the bowels of the internation political left, as the weapon to take America down financially. If Obama is re-elected, taking America down won’t be necessary -it will be a fait accompli.

Don L on June 19, 2011 at 3:53 PM

To prevent the next global scam (there will be others -the left never stops planning) full investigation -massive incarceration (no handspanking please) and striking fear into potential global deceivers might slow them down a bit.

Communism has lots of belivers but few willing martyrs.

Don L on June 19, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Economics of climate change has always been a problem. The Kyoto agreement would have cost trillions but not really done much in the way of reducing CO2.

None of this AGW stuff passes the sniff test, because when the environmental elite heard about it, it was too good to fact check. It would be the fundraising and regulatory bonanza of all time, so why examine the “science?” None of the data supports the dire predictions made by Al Gore and his cronies.

Never trust scientists promoting computer models that can’t predict reality.

flataffect on June 19, 2011 at 5:07 PM

The United States has little credibility at the negotiating table…

How so? The US did better at meeting the CO2 goals than all or almost all of the Kyoto signatories.

RJL on June 19, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Global warming? Is that still around? It’s so mid-90s. Nothing they said came true, not even close. It’s a scam, pure and simple.

KillerKane on June 19, 2011 at 11:53 PM