NYT: Obama overruled top Pentagon, DOJ lawyers on Libya war powers

posted at 10:32 pm on June 17, 2011 by Allahpundit

No “Quotes of the Day” post today. This is big enough that I don’t want anything new on the site distracting from it overnight.

The Times is treating it as the major story that it is, but under a Republican president (especially one named, say, George Bush) it would be a scandal of nuclear proportions. What they’re basically saying here, without actually saying it, is that the president’s own lawyers told him that the Libya war is illegal and he responded by looking around for other lawyers who’d tell him what he wanted to hear.

The congressional hearings begin on Monday, I hope.

Jeh C. Johnson, the Pentagon general counsel, and Caroline D. Krass, the acting head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, had told the White House that they believed that the United States military’s activities in the NATO-led air war amounted to “hostilities.” Under the War Powers Resolution, that would have required Mr. Obama to terminate or scale back the mission after May 20.

But Mr. Obama decided instead to adopt the legal analysis of several other senior members of his legal team — including the White House counsel, Robert Bauer, and the State Department legal adviser, Harold H. Koh — who argued that the United States military’s activities fell short of “hostilities.” Under that view, Mr. Obama needed no permission from Congress to continue the mission unchanged.

Presidents have the legal authority to override the legal conclusions of the Office of Legal Counsel and to act in a manner that is contrary to its advice, but it is extraordinarily rare for that to happen. Under normal circumstances, the office’s interpretation of the law is legally binding on the executive branch

The administration followed an unusual process in developing its position. Traditionally, the Office of Legal Counsel solicits views from different agencies and then decides what the best interpretation of the law is. The attorney general or the president can overrule its views, but rarely do.

In this case, however, Ms. Krass was asked to submit the Office of Legal Counsel’s thoughts in a less formal way to the White House, along with the views of lawyers at other agencies. After several meetings and phone calls, the rival legal analyses were submitted to Mr. Obama, who is a constitutional lawyer, and he made the decision.

See what he did here? The OLC is typically called “the president’s law firm” because it’s tasked with advising him on what he can and can’t legally do with his office. They study the law and consult with relevant agencies, and then they make a formal determination to guide his actions. That’s what should have happened here — they likely would have determined that he was violating the War Powers Act, which in turn would have forced him to go to Congress and finally request formal authorization of the mission. (In fact, Johnson, the Pentagon’s counsel, reportedly told Obama he’d be on firmer ground if he stopped the drone strikes, at least. Obama refused.) This time, because he almost certainly knew that they’d tell him that he was in violation, he bypassed the normal procedures to avoid a binding ruling and treated the OLC as if it was just one lawyer among many. He rigged the game because he knew what the probable outcome would be if he didn’t. Disgraceful.

Ironically, Boehner’s now in almost as tough a position as Obama is. He’s the one who confronted O about the War Powers Act after Kucinich forced his hand; now he’ll have to figure out what the proper congressional response to this should be. Does the House hold hearings? Vote to defund the mission, citing Krass and Johnson for authority that it’s illegal? File suit in federal court charging Obama with violating the WPA, even though any court will almost certainly refuse to rule on it on “political question” grounds? And what happens to O’s supporters on Libya in Congress, especially among Democrats, now that his warmaking has been deemed renegade by his own core legal team? This doofus almost certainly could have gotten congressional authorization shortly after the mission began if he’d asked for it, but for reasons I still don’t understand, he refused. I guess he wants to maximize his presidential prerogative to use drones anywhere he likes, notwithstanding Johnson’s assessment that that’s enough to constitute “hostilities” under the WPA, in order to give himself a free hand in Yemen and beyond. Good work, champ — you’ve now forced a high stakes, politically risky separation-of-powers confrontation with Congress over a conflict to which virtually no one has paid attention for weeks.

Here’s Harry Reid insisting that the War Powers Act doesn’t apply here, and even if it did, “this thing’s going to be over before you know it anyway.” Which is basically what Obama himself said — three months ago. Remember “days, not weeks”? Exit question: That’s going to be one awkward round of golf, huh? Click the image to watch.

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“Dear Leader” is no joke, now…

d1carter on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Yeah, like restore Constitutional authority…absolutely frightening.

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Pay no attention to uncle sam’s niece. She is an ABP and scours threads that have nothing to do with Palin, and adds little gems such as the one she laid here.

carbon_footprint on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

The only reason we are there is because this Middle Eastern upheaval was initiated by the unholy alliance of Leftists & Islamists. There is the Obama Doctrine in plain view.

Connie on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Impeach.

He should resign for a host of reasons, but he won’t. So, impeach the SOB. It won’t be good for the nation to endure, but we’re enduring plenty as it is.

Whatever it takes, get rid of him and his marxist/commie gang of thugs.

Cody1991 on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Yeah, like restore Constitutional authority…absolutely frightening.

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:07 PM

You couldn’t have missed the point any more if you’d tried.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:02 PM
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Completely off topic…
Nice to see ya.

Electrongod on June 17, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Electrongod:Right back at ya————–:):)

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:11 PM

Cody1991 on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Although a beautiful thought, impeachment will not happen with a democratic senate. We will just have to vote his big earred azz out.

carbon_footprint on June 17, 2011 at 11:12 PM

katy the mean old lady on June 17, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Her big out was Iran’s election aftermath. This is Christmas.

Jorge Bonilla on June 17, 2011 at 11:12 PM

He’s the one who confronted O about the War Powers Act after Kucinich forced his hand

He rolled over for Herr Obama by killing the Kucinich effort to keep Obama from being above the law. I wonder how much Herr Obama promised him under-the-table.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:13 PM

You couldn’t have missed the point any more if you’d tried.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Um, no, your point is that you have no point.
Unless stalking threads looking for opportunities to crap on Sarah Palin can be considered points.

carbon_footprint on June 17, 2011 at 11:13 PM

He should resign for a host of reasons, but he won’t. So, impeach the SOB. It won’t be good for the nation to endure, but we’re enduring plenty as it is.

Whatever it takes, get rid of him and his marxist/commie gang of thugs.

Cody1991 on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can live with a black eye for a while.

Electrongod on June 17, 2011 at 11:14 PM

carbon_footprint on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Here’s the point put so simply that even you and Saltysam should be able to understand it:

Abuses of power don’t just disappear when the conservative savior-of-the-year gets elected. The opportunity for abuse will still be there when she’s in office, and quite possibly for the next President after that.

Or do you think that only liberal-favored candidates can abuse power?

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 17, 2011 at 11:14 PM

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 10:53 PM
If you’ve lost the Guardian… Holy Cow!

Firefly_76 on June 17, 2011 at 10:58 PM

Firefly_76:H*lluva good point!:)

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Constitutional lawyer my ass. Obama is a joke.

taney71 on June 17, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Her big out was Iran’s election aftermath. This is Christmas.

Jorge Bonilla on June 17, 2011 at 11:12 PM

She can tell how she gamely hung in there to try to save the country, or somesuch crap. Wait.

katy the mean old lady on June 17, 2011 at 11:15 PM

That’s going to be one awkward round of golf, huh?

I doubt it as Boehner seems to be trying to protect Herr Obama. Assuming they are really on opposite sides is very foolish.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Come on Crr6? Speak up? Can you defend this? Even if you can’t it would be nice to get a lefties perspective on this.

jawkneemusic on June 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM

You couldn’t have missed the point any more if you’d tried.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

I’m watching you. Remember?

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Boy is Anthony Weiner pissed now! A couple more days- that’s all he needed to stick it out… I mean, hang around… er, hold on.

BKeyser on June 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Or do you think that only liberal-favored candidates can abuse power?

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 17, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Absolutely not, there are reams of paper archiving the abuse of public office by both parties. However, this thread is about the abuse of power by a democratic “leader”. We should absolutely stay on topic rather than, magically, making this somehow a negative about Palin.

carbon_footprint on June 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Anyone else wondering who Obama’s giving favors to with this move? If I know that slug worth a darn, he’s not just doing this for giggles. Someone, somewhere, is getting rich from his abuses.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM

I have joked in the past that Obowma will declare ‘Martial Law’ in November 2012 if it looks like he is going to loose the election…

… I am not laughing any more.

Seven Percent Solution on June 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Just following orders Military officers need to reread their oath of office.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Long live the king! (haven’t we come a long way!).

OldEnglish on June 17, 2011 at 11:18 PM

I’m watching you. Remember?

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM

I haven’t forgotten you, try as I might.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 17, 2011 at 11:18 PM

I have joked in the past that Obowma will declare ‘Martial Law’ in November 2012 if it looks like he is going to loose the election…

… I am not laughing any more.

Seven Percent Solution on June 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM

And since America’s Generals have already sold their souls to Obama, don’t think they will be on your side.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:19 PM

E.J. Dionne, you sissy, this is why you should miss GWB.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Obama is worse but I’ll never miss GWB.

FloatingRock on June 17, 2011 at 11:19 PM

jtLOL ‘Jim’ ‘Treacher’
Ha ha, @codepinkalert. Obama makes George Bush look like Ghandi. Ha ha.
5 minutes ago

jtLOL ‘Jim’ ‘Treacher’
Ha ha, @codepinkalert. Look how stupid you are for trusting Obama. Ha ha.
4 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

steebo77 on June 17, 2011 at 11:19 PM

Seven Percent Solution on June 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM

I’m still trying to figure out where his civilian army is coming from. The unions are semi-organized thugs and no other liberal organization seems big or strong enough to fit the bill IMO.

What scares the snot out of me is that he has THAT as his trump card for 2012.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 17, 2011 at 11:20 PM

The only reason we are there is because this Middle Eastern upheaval was initiated by the unholy alliance of Leftists & Islamists. There is the Obama Doctrine in plain view.

Connie on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Bingo.

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:20 PM

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. – Thomas Jefferson

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:21 PM

I haven’t forgotten you, try as I might.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 17, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Good.

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:21 PM

I’m still trying to figure out where his civilian army is coming from.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 17, 2011 at 11:20 PM

he doesn’t need a civilian army. He has got a career military army.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:22 PM

I doubt it as Boehner seems to be trying to protect Herr Obama. Assuming they are really on opposite sides is very foolish.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Now Way!!!!
Boehmer is slow…that is an understatement but he has and his family went through the true struggle of America’s gift.
Others that I won’t mention have no clue….but are President…or related.

*Arguments?* Not addressed to HalJordan.

Electrongod on June 17, 2011 at 11:22 PM

We’re not engaged in hostilities. It’s a UN sanctioned humanitarian bombing campaign. Can’t you wingnuts see the nuance of these missile strikes?

Ted Torgerson on June 17, 2011 at 11:25 PM

This is startlingly risky — even for Obama. I can’t help but feel we’re missing an incredible piece of the story. Not that it would excuse his behavior, but could *possibly* explain engaging this legal and political jeopardy.

EarthToZoey on June 17, 2011 at 11:25 PM

Now Way!!!!
Boehmer is slow…that is an understatement but he has and his family went through the true struggle of America’s gift.
Others that I won’t mention have no clue….but are President…or related.

*Arguments?* Not addressed to HalJordan.

Electrongod on June 17, 2011 at 11:22 PM

I have no idea what you are saying. Are you being sarcastic and referring to Boehner’s not even being able to make it through Navy basic?

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:25 PM

The White House defended to Congress on Wednesday the legality, the costs and accomplishments of the US military mission in Libya. In a 32-page report titled “United States Activities in Libya,” the administration says the cost of military and humanitarian operations through June 3 was about $800 million.
June 16 2011
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http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/news/world-news/23166-white-house-defends-mission-in-libya
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United States Activities in Libya Report
(32 Pages)(PDF)
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http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_documents/110615_United_States_Activities_in_Libya_–_6_15_11.pdf

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:26 PM

Note to GOP hopefuls running to be the next President of the United States…

… Stop listening to the press and your establishment advisers telling you to attack the other candidate!

Circle the damn wagons and force the conversation and the American conscious to what that thing in the White House is doing…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on June 17, 2011 at 11:26 PM

How many Generals have resigned their commissions in protest for being given illegal orders?

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:27 PM

he doesn’t need a civilian army. He has got a career military army.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:22 PM

…ouch.

I want so much to argue that point, but I can’t see how.

The military is not going to go against their C-in-C and a good portion of the top brass – all at once, no less – never mind doing so in any significant numbers.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 17, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Sorry this is off-topic.

But what the hell? What. The. Hell.

KingGold on June 17, 2011 at 11:28 PM

Note to GOP hopefuls running to be the next President of the United States…

… Stop listening to the press and your establishment advisers telling you to attack the other candidate!

Circle the damn wagons and force the conversation and the American conscious to what that thing in the White House is doing…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on June 17, 2011 at 11:26 PM

Seven Percent Solution:D*mn Straight:)
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MEMO to West,Palin,Cain,Bachmann…….

****************** BROKEN ARROW ************************

ASAP……and EXPEDITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:28 PM

We have absolutely no national interest in this ill-conceived Libyan adventure. We are essentially supporting rebels infiltrated with alQaeda jihadists and have ceded our national sovereignty to globalists sympathetic to Islam.

onlineanalyst on June 17, 2011 at 11:28 PM

How long before he breaks out the fatigues?

flyfisher on June 17, 2011 at 11:29 PM

This is the downside of an all volunteer career Army. Not much different from career politicians.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:30 PM

Sorry this is off-topic.

But what the hell? What. The. Hell.

KingGold on June 17, 2011 at 11:28 PM

There’s gotta be a catch.

flyfisher on June 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,

**IS ANYBODY SURPRISED BY THIS….SINCE HOPEY`S
SECOND ATTEMPT OF TAKING OATH OF OFFICE!

HOT AIR PREDICTED THIS TRAINWRECK!!

**(Proud member of the Big Cap Brigade)(sarc)

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Trump might be going after Obama now, but he was driven from the field, mainly by “conservatives”.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Come on Crr6? Speak up? Can you defend this? Even if you can’t it would be nice to get a lefties perspective on this.

jawkneemusic on June 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM

“The Party is Obama. But Obama is America, just as America is Obama. Obama! Sieg Heil!”

This is all they’ve got. Or the whole thing comes tumbling down.

They’ll double down.

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:32 PM

There’s gotta be a catch.

flyfisher on June 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM

You tell me. How well does Tingles bluff?

KingGold on June 17, 2011 at 11:33 PM

Has this been picked up by any other LSM outlet?

d1carter on June 17, 2011 at 11:33 PM

Where is one major politician, or major General, to say, “The Imperial Emperor has no clothes”?

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:33 PM

I have no idea what you are saying. Are you being sarcastic and referring to Boehner’s not even being able to make it through Navy basic?

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:25 PM

What I am saying is Boehner and Obama come from different experiences.
Boehner may have not made through Navy basis but he make the decision to try.

Electrongod on June 17, 2011 at 11:34 PM

“The Party is Obama. But Obama is America, just as America is Obama. Obama! Sieg Heil!”

This is all they’ve got. Or the whole thing comes tumbling down.

They’ll double down.

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:32 PM

Barackito Obamalini, la, la, la.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:35 PM

Vote to defund the mission, citing Krass and Johnson for authority that it’s illegal?

Why not? This isn’t Iraq, Afghanistan or even Yemen. There is no compelling U.S. interest at stake in Libya. Furthermore, due to the nature of the conflict, there aren’t thousands of American men and women slogging it out over there either, so the chance for a political backlash is negligible.

Defund the clusterfark and bring American involvement to an end. If the British and French want to continue hostilities so be it.

Mike Honcho on June 17, 2011 at 11:35 PM

I doubt it as Boehner seems to be trying to protect Herr Obama. Assuming they are really on opposite sides is very foolish.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:16 PM

S/b Signore Obama, as he resembles Benito Mussolini. Spot on, otherwise. Boehner will go golfing, smoking and telling jokes with him.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2011 at 11:35 PM

Barackito Obamalini, la, la, la.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:35 PM

Sorry for my timing. This is perfect.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2011 at 11:35 PM

Off-topic response: Michelle Bachmann needs to distance herself (as far as possible) from any comment made by Tingles. Stat.

Philly on June 17, 2011 at 11:36 PM

But what the hell? What. The. Hell.

KingGold on June 17, 2011 at 11:28 PM

He looked like a school boy with a crush. creepy. weird.

Firefly_76 on June 17, 2011 at 11:37 PM

This a-hole might start WW III. Impeach the bastard!

MCGIRV on June 17, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Mr. President, U.N. Resolutions do not trump U.S. Law
June 17, 2011 at 11:05:05
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On June 15th, 2011– the same day that the media announced that 10 congressmen were suing President Obama over his violation of the War Powers Act while executing his war in Libya– the White House released a report attempting to justify why congressional approval was not needed in order to carry it out. Through a text link ABC News made an unauthorized copy of that report available. That report can be viewed HERE**.

In the following article I will provide a summary of the 32 page PDF report and rebuttals to the White House’s key arguments. Though other parts of the report will be covered, the most important topics in the report relating to the President’s constitutional authority for single-handedly committing the United States to another war are: “U.S. Support to NATO Mission” on page 11, “Consequences of U.S. Not Participating in NATO Operations” on page 13, and “Legal Analysis and Administration Support for Bipartisan Resolution” on page 25.
(More….)
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**
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_documents/110615_United_States_Activities_in_Libya_–_6_15_11.pdf

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Mr-President-U-N-Resolu-by-Andrew-Steele-110616-901.htm

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:37 PM

S/b Signore Obama, as he resembles Benito Mussolini. Spot on, otherwise. Boehner will go golfing, smoking and telling jokes with him.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2011 at 11:35 PM

He resembles Steve Erkel

darwin-t on June 17, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Trump might be going after Obama now, but he was driven from the field, mainly by “conservatives”.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM

That makes sense considering that Trump is progressive.

FloatingRock on June 17, 2011 at 11:38 PM

I don’t care. Obama is awesome. Hallibuton.

-crr666

Firefly_76 on June 17, 2011 at 11:38 PM

How many Generals have resigned their commissions in protest for being given illegal orders?

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:27 PM

He’s retired, but General Vallely has been on the attack this week.

Here’s a link to an interview between Gen. Vallely and Col. Terry Lakin. It’s worth your time.

Fox News Contributor Major General Paul Vallely: Retired CIA Agents I’ve Had Look At Obama’s Birth Certificate Say It Is Fraudulent

MGEN Paul Vallely: FBI Covering For Obama; Congress Afraid To Challenge; Would Be Felony Offense And May Be Treasonous; Fear Backlash

Stayright on June 17, 2011 at 11:38 PM

This goes way beyond dereliction of duty on Obama’s part. It is an assertion that he, like King George, Hitler and Mussolini, is above the law. So here in America we have a thing which for over 200 years has been most foreign to it and out of place, the delivery of our nation into a tyrant’s keeping.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:38 PM

How long before he breaks out the fatigues?

flyfisher on June 17, 2011 at 11:29 PM

Nah, he’d never be seen in something that tacky. I’m thinking more Franz Josef I/ Marcus Garveyish type thing.

katy the mean old lady on June 17, 2011 at 11:39 PM

Musical Interlude between Comments
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THE CARS ― MOVING IN STEREO & ALL MIXED UP
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZhfFXEMMI4

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:40 PM

The only reason we are there is because this Middle Eastern upheaval was initiated by the unholy alliance of Leftists & Islamists. There is the Obama Doctrine in plain view.

Connie on June 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Bingo.

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Thank you!

Connie on June 17, 2011 at 11:40 PM

**(Proud member of the Big Cap Brigade)(sarc)

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM

LOL. ALL CAPS BRIGADE.

bUt i THinK aLl pOintS of ViEw aRe eQualLy vAliD.

loL

Geochelone on June 17, 2011 at 11:40 PM

The audacity of hope was for his campaign
Tyranny and an imperial reich are for his reign
His candidacy was rather like that of a Harry Houdini
His presidency is shaping up to be much more like that of a Benito Mussolini

Although he tries to slip it all in under another guise
To all his fascist action most foul we must still be wise
In spite of all the Harry Houdini lies
Dancing in Obama’s evermore Benito Mussolini eyes!

* I only use Benito Mussolini as it rhymes better that Adolf Hitler.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:40 PM

Part of me keeps thinking, like someone else, said above, that there’s something missing.
Bcs really, can anyone be this arrogant & outright stupid?
But really, who is going to do anything about this?
Let’s face it.
Liberties have been slowly, illegally stolen away from us for many decades.
This is brash & brazen & arrogant.
And people are shocked. And that’s about it.
America is full of cowards & apathetic Weiners.

Badger40 on June 17, 2011 at 11:41 PM

Barackito Obamalini, la, la, la.

HalJordan on June 17, 2011 at 11:35 PM

Heh!

IBarackito Obamalini

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:43 PM

He is like Benito Mussolini.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2011 at 11:44 PM

As I recall, the government officials serving with Hitler were also afraid to challenge him.
They just watched everything snowball into hell.
Not to say BO will be another Hitler in the sense of killing millions of people.
But he most certainly has the ability to be another Hitler in regards to the abrogation of power.
He is stealing it.

Badger40 on June 17, 2011 at 11:44 PM

Why in the h’ll impeach? Have you watched MSM? They’ve got him (Obama) covered in every direction…the meme from yesterday: After it was disclosed that Pelosi made 62% more profit last year, Yahoo’s take: “Boehner, the Pelosi replacement, makes “millions less” than predecessor.. Think about this statement. One: He still is a millionaire, but not so much as Pelosi, they are pretty equal, she profited a little more, so what’s the dif? Why give a darn how much she profits, just a few mil here and there.

betsyz on June 17, 2011 at 11:45 PM

Connie on June 17, 2011 at 11:40 PM

That and don’t forget the oil. Briatin and France have huge stakes in Libya oil. Don’t forget BP. Obama is just a BP shill.

promachus on June 17, 2011 at 11:45 PM

Still silent crr6? I’m going to take your silence as further proof you are a hypocritical coward and a troll. If this was Bush, I’m sure you would have hijacked this thread by now.

jawkneemusic on June 17, 2011 at 11:45 PM

That makes sense considering that Trump is progressive.

FloatingRock on June 17, 2011 at 11:38 PM

Nah Ah. He told us he was a conservative!

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:46 PM

This is obviously George W. Bush’s fault.

Also, the NYT is being extremely racist.

Aquateen Hungerforce on June 17, 2011 at 11:47 PM

Barackito Obamalini

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2011 at 11:47 PM

I got called a racist at the time, and still do on occasion, but I’ll -hestiantly- say it again:

African president = African nation. Despite the jeers it’ll draw, it’s the simple truth and not a racist statement. The African style of governance: Institutional nepotism, thuggery, self adoration, over sensitivity to outside criticism, insistence on centralization, financial illiteracy, and militancy in redundant causes is identical to the governance of most sub Saharan nations.

abobo on June 17, 2011 at 11:47 PM

Deciding to Use Force Abroad

In a System of Checks and Balances
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http://www.constitutionproject.org/pdf/28.pdf

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:48 PM

That makes sense considering that Trump is progressive.

FloatingRock on June 17, 2011 at 11:38 PM

They say Obama is a progressive. I don’t believe it.

Schadenfreude on June 17, 2011 at 11:48 PM

Between this and the Mexican gunrunning scandal breaking, I’m firing up the Jiffy-Pop and hunkering down for the best movie of the year!

It’s always astonishing that the ones who long for the power the most are never satisfied.

Tennman on June 17, 2011 at 11:49 PM

Still silent crr6? I’m going to take your silence as further proof you are a hypocritical coward and a troll. If this was Bush, I’m sure you would have hijacked this thread by now.

jawkneemusic on June 17, 2011 at 11:45 PM

She’s out partying it up right now.
Give her a chance to sober up and get back to her computer.
/

Electrongod on June 17, 2011 at 11:49 PM

**(Proud member of the Big Cap Brigade)(sarc)

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM
LOL. ALL CAPS BRIGADE.

bUt i THinK aLl pOintS of ViEw aRe eQualLy vAliD.

loL

Geochelone on June 17, 2011 at 11:40 PM

Geochelone:I think,you and Dire might be the only two be
sides me,from the ACE RINO thread,and TepidAir,
comments from Ace`s site,haha:)

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:51 PM

He’s retired, but General Vallely has been on the attack this week.

Stayright on June 17, 2011 at 11:38 PM

The Founding Fathers, Joint Chiefs of Staff
Would never okay the way you do your thing
Ding ding ding, ding, ding, ding
And you’ll get yours, Joint Chiefs of Staff
Coddlin’ and even sidin’ with that Hitler stuff like you do
Boo hoo hoo, boo hoo hoo

Where have you gone, General Paul Vallely?
Our nation turns its longing eyes to you
What’s that you say, Herr Barack Obama?
You have banished all oath keeping Generals far away
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey

Coo coo ca-choo, Mr. Pentagon
The American Fuhrer appreciates you more than you will know
Woo woo woo, woo woo woo
The American Fuhrer blesses you, yes, Mr. Pentagon
He may grant some large favors to those who their nation betray
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey

Cheshire Cat on June 17, 2011 at 11:54 PM

Well,I finally found who was a suing!
Looksd like the The Constitution Project,
which I linked above,hot d*mn!
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War Powers Experts Say Lawsuit Filed Against the Obama Administration is Right on the Merits
June 15 2011
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WASHINGTON – June 15 – Today, former Members of Congress and Co-Chairs of The Constitution Project (TCP) War Powers Committee David Skaggs (D-CO) and Mickey Edwards (R-OK), as well as TCP War Powers Committee member and renowned war powers scholar Louis Fisher, released a statement in response to the news that a bipartisan group of lawmakers had filed a lawsuit against the Obama administration for violating the War Powers Resolution by undertaking military action in Libya without congressional approval.

Their statement follows:
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“The complaint filed against the president today by several members of the House is exactly right on the merits. The ongoing U. S. military action in Libya is unconstitutional as a violation of the authority granted to Congress in Article I section 8 to decide when this country can initiate the use of force abroad. The lawsuit is also correct in claiming the President has violated the War Powers Resolution – the statute that requires a President who has already acted unilaterally to get approval from Congress for a military action to last longer than 60 days. The complaint is also right to point out that neither the U. N. nor NATO can provide a substitute for congressional authorization for war. Unfortunately, the lawsuit will almost certainly be dismissed on procedural grounds. In the past, courts have decided that they will not hear claims like this from aggrieved Members of Congress.”

In its 2005 report entitled Deciding to Use Force Abroad: War Powers in a System of Checks and Balances, The Constitution Project’s War Powers Committee recommended improvements to war powers decision-making designed to restore the proper roles of all three branches of government.

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The Constitution Project is a politically independent think tank established in 1997 to promote and defend constitutional safeguards. More information about the Constitution Project is available at http://constitutionproject.org/.

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/06/15-11

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:56 PM

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NaCly dog on June 17, 2011 at 11:57 PM

NYT: Obama overruled top Pentagon, DOJ lawyers on Libya war powers

Too late NYTimes…

… You had your chance before the election.

Seven Percent Solution on June 17, 2011 at 11:58 PM

canopfor on June 17, 2011 at 11:56 PM

Fantastic link, thanks canopfor!! Fisher has been great on the war powers issue, hot air commenter jp hardest hit!

Firefly_76 on June 17, 2011 at 11:59 PM

This is an interesting comment to the NY Times piece from “Don WV”

On April 26, the Defense Department designated troops operating in Libya, Tunisia and a portion of the Mediterranean Sea as eligible for imminent danger pay of $225 a month, retroactive to March 19, which was the onset of Operation Odyssey Dawn/Unified Protector. According to the Pentagon, such a designation applies to “foreign areas where U.S. military personnel are subject to the threat of physical harm or imminent danger on the basis of civil insurrection, civil war, terrorism or wartime conditions. Maybe the White House can help Congress understand why U.S. troops are entitled to combat pay absent “hostilities!!

flyfisher on June 18, 2011 at 12:01 AM

Nah Ah. He told us he was a conservative!

Saltysam on June 17, 2011 at 11:46 PM

:)

FloatingRock on June 18, 2011 at 12:01 AM

There is only one possible solution for Congress to respond.

Hold a vote on a war resolution authorizing force to be used against Lybia. Let the chips fall where they may.

If the resolution passes, problem is solved, fund the war in Lybia.

If the resolution fails…

… I guess… contact the Joint Chiefs and notify them that combat actions against Lybia are not authorized by Congress.

Then I guess we see the Joint Chiefs stuck deciding what their oath to the Constitution means. My guess is they go to the President to tell him they can’t do this war anymore and offer their resignations.

Geez, then things could get really bad. What if Obama doesn’t see the light but keeps on…

That idiot Obama. Why didn’t he just get authorization when he had the chance?

Sackett on June 18, 2011 at 12:03 AM

Would Bush have done the same thing, given the circumstances?

Del Dolemonte on June 18, 2011 at 12:03 AM

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NaCly dog on June 17, 2011 at 11:57 PM

NaCly dog:Lol:)

canopfor on June 18, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Something about Nixon

“When the President does it, that means that it’s not illegal.”
Richard M. Nixon

tjexcite on June 18, 2011 at 12:04 AM

We must melt the phones and say Enough! to our own Congressman.

The fastest solution is the 25th Amendment, Section 4. Acting President Biden would be the result

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Section 4.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.”

NaCly dog on June 18, 2011 at 12:05 AM

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