“You lie” guy endorses Tim-the-truth-man Pawlenty

posted at 12:05 pm on June 9, 2011 by Tina Korbe

South Carolina Republican Rep. Joe Wilson last night endorsed former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty for president. Wilson is the Congressman who once famously shouted “You lie” to President Barack Obama during a presidential speech to a joint session of Congress in 2009. He also happens to represents a sizable district in an important primary state.

“Gov. Pawlenty is the best man to get our nation on the right track,” Wilson said in a news release. “As South Carolinians get to know Gov. Pawlenty, as I have, they will see someone with a remarkable record of conservative accomplishments in a politically tough state for Republicans and someone who has the kind of bold vision for America’s future that we need to defeat Barack Obama.”

Pawlenty has staked his campaign on truth-telling, promising to deliver the facts, however difficult they are to hear. At least one left-leaning blogger is not buying it. Of Pawlenty’s hard truths, the Washington Post’s Ezra Klein writes:

I want to propose a new rule: If you’re telling your audience what they want to hear, you can’t present yourself as telling hard truths. And yes, I’m looking at you, Gov. Pawlenty. …

But what the rise of the Tea Party and the general groundswell of grassroots involvement among individual Americans clamoring for fiscal responsibility and the plain exposition of the Founding philosophy ought to have taught Klein — and seems to have taught politicians like Pawlenty — is that 2012 might actually be that rare election in which “what the audience wants to hear” and “hard truths” are one and the same (at least, I really, really hope so!). (Plus, as an aside, what Klein considers true and would have Pawlenty say — that economic stimulus policies like a full payroll tax cut are actually effective — is a matter of his opinion and one with which plenty of experts disagree.) That’s not to say Pawlenty hasn’t or won’t pander to his base at any point in his campaign, but it is to say he’s on the right track with his “Tell the Truth” speaking tour.

But Pawlenty wasn’t the first to set the truth trend. In a video to introduce his budget, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) baldly stated, “Washington has not been telling you the truth [about entitlements].” In September 2010, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie delivered a rousing speech to about 7,500 firefighters — after he informed them he planned to cut their pensions. “For 20 years,” he said, “governors have come into this room and lied to you, promised you benefits that they had no way of paying for, making promises they knew they couldn’t keep, and just hoping that they wouldn’t be the man or woman left holding the bag. I understand why you feel angry and betrayed and deceived by those people. Here’s what I don’t understand. Why are you booing the first guy who came in here and told you the truth?”

These sorts of frank admissions — the same candor that compelled Wilson to cry “You lie” to Obama — are most refreshing when they’re more than mere rhetoric, when, say, they precede a political move (like releasing a controversial budget or cutting firefighter pensions) that could cost the speaker something. Voters will only really know how committed Pawlenty is to the truth as his campaign goes on, by whether he demonstrates he’s willing to lose for it, as well as to win. But earning the endorsement of someone who can easily spot a liar — and actually call him out on it — seems like a good starting sign.

 

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fossten on June 9, 2011 at 12:07 PM

30 COMMENTS OR BUST!

fossten on June 9, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Joe Wilson is a stand up guy. This endorsement helps.

Roy Rogers on June 9, 2011 at 12:09 PM

If you’re telling your audience what they want to hear, you can’t present yourself as telling hard truths. And yes, I’m looking at you, Gov. Pawlenty.

Right… because talking about ending ethanol subsidies in Iowa and SS reform in Florida is easy.

Abby Adams on June 9, 2011 at 12:10 PM

If you’re telling your audience what they want to hear, you can’t present yourself as telling hard truths

So if an audience wants to hear the facts, the facts become lies becuase they want ot hear them?

WashJeff on June 9, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Let me get this out of the way now:

But he’s boring!

/sarc

MJBrutus on June 9, 2011 at 12:11 PM

snicker
make it 31

james23 on June 9, 2011 at 12:12 PM

CBS Poll: An overwhelming majority of Republicans don’t give a dam& if Pawlenty runs. run timmeh, run

james23 on June 9, 2011 at 12:13 PM

snicker
make it 31

james23 on June 9, 2011 at 12:12 PM

So who do you think such remarks reflect discredit on: T-Paw or H/A readers?

MJBrutus on June 9, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Tim Pawlenty hardest hit.

TheQuestion on June 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM

james23 on June 9, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Polls are worth bupkiss at this point. But if you do want to find meaning, the recent Fox news poll puts paid to you point about lack of interest in him.

MJBrutus on June 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM

But, but, but…I won’t vote for anyone unless they are in 100% ideological footstep with me./you know who you are

Howcome on June 9, 2011 at 12:17 PM

As I said in the other thread about Pawlenty (sheesh, it’s barely noon on the East Coast and we’re up to here with T-Paw), this endorsement is significant. As Tina points out, Joe Wilson is Lexington (no typo). And from what I know about Lex Co (a good bit), Pawlenty is not that big a name there: definitely not as well known there as Palin, Romney, Gingrich. I’m intrigued, but I’m also patient enough to wait on Haley (another Lexington voice that the state GOP voters listen to), to see who she endorses. If Pawlenty comes to SC and gets Wilson, Haley or maybe Harpootlian to stand beside him, he could make a great showing there.

LastRick on June 9, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Just what Pawlenty needs is Joe Wilson to enhance his image – a man who cowardly backed down from the truth he accidentally spoke out loud at the threat of his own PC party.

That’s why we need Palin -truth first – party second.(maybe -if the Rahm-ney plastic principled man is the one- third party.

If they continue their open sluaghter in violation of the eleventh commandment of Reagan’s. I will no longer support the GOP party of Rove, Krauthammer,sexpot Coulter, Will, and company -those elitist gatekeepers who merely took over the power of the old smoke-filled back room. They will not let government by the people happen.

Don L on June 9, 2011 at 12:19 PM

That’s why we need Palin -truth first – party second.

Don L on June 9, 2011 at 12:19 PM

And if she doesn’t run, what are you going to do up there on that purity pedestal with your vote?

LastRick on June 9, 2011 at 12:23 PM

So who do you think such remarks reflect discredit on: T-Paw or H/A readers?

MJBrutus on June 9, 2011 at 12:13 PM

COME ON, 30 COMMENTS!

WE CAN DO IT!!!!!

fossten on June 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM

““For 20 40 years,” he said, “governors politicians have come into this room power and lied to you, promised you benefits that they had no way of paying for, making promises they knew they couldn’t keep, spending money they didn’t have, and just hoping that they wouldn’t be the man or woman left holding the bag. I understand why you feel angry and betrayed and deceived by those people. Here’s what I don’t understand. Why are you booing the first guy who came in here and told you the truth?”

THIS has to be the message in this elections…

… said LOUD, CLEAR, AND OFTEN!!!

Seven Percent Solution on June 9, 2011 at 12:31 PM

30 COMMENTS OR BUST!

fossten

Add it to this thread and we’re already past it.

Knott Buyinit on June 9, 2011 at 12:31 PM

And if she doesn’t run, what are you going to do up there on that purity pedestal with your vote?

LastRick on June 9, 2011 at 12:23 PM

SP’s a good conservative but to some of her most…ardent supporters she’s the Alpha, Omega, The Way, The Truth, and The Life.
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annoyinglittletwerp on June 9, 2011 at 12:31 PM

“Just what Pawlenty needs is Joe Wilson to enhance his image – a man who cowardly backed down from the truth he accidentally spoke out loud at the threat of his own PC party.”

[Don L on June 9, 2011 at 12:19 PM]

He did not back down from the truth.

Accidental or not, he apologized for violating protocol or, as they seem to call it, breach of decorum. You want to take pot shots at him for that fine, I suggest you use the tit-for-tat scenario via the prisoner’s dilemma. (HT: Ace, see bottom and hit the den Beste link.)

If you can’t confine your accusations to reality, then expect to deal with tit-for-tat yourself.

Dusty on June 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM

T-Paw bought into the global warming hoax. Look into it.

Pcoop on June 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM

This is exciting!

myrenovations on June 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM

T-Paw will shock many people in the coming months.

blatantblue on June 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM

T-Paw bought into the global warming hoax. Look into it.

Pcoop on June 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM

T-Paw was a successful two-term conservative governor of a Blue state. Look in to it.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM

T-Paw bought into the global warming hoax. Look into it.

Pcoop on June 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM

He also educated himself further, manned up and said that he was wrong to do it.

MJBrutus on June 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM

fossten on June 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM

You consider this at all trolling?

KingGold on June 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Draft Fred!!!

It’s gotta start sometime…

Aquateen Hungerforce on June 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM

T-Paw was a successful two-term conservative governor of a Blue state. Look in to it.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Thank you. I’m glad there are readers here who are trying to remain objective, instead of trying to cut down every single person who isn’t Sarah Palin.

blatantblue on June 9, 2011 at 12:36 PM

You consider this at all trolling?

KingGold on June 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Why haven’t you responded to my post in the TPaw thread?

fossten on June 9, 2011 at 12:36 PM

T-Paw is my current choice…At least he has a economic plan…let’s see what the other candidates come up with…Hey so what if he is boring…I need someone who get’s things done boring efficiency is just what this country needs..

Political Chef on June 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Why haven’t you responded to my post in the TPaw thread?

fossten on June 9, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Because you’re trolling, that’s why. Your unending and all-purpose rejoinder is to whine that I’m unfair and continue to bash the other candidates.

KingGold on June 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM

The truth is always the best but right now we can’t accept any substitutes for it. Hard to hide reality in today’s conditions.

Cindy Munford on June 9, 2011 at 12:39 PM

He also educated himself further, manned up and said that he was wrong to do it.
MJBrutus on June 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM

All TP positions come with an exp. date. Look for him to rethink it all again when he needs to.

james23 on June 9, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Hmmm, picking up the anti-endorsement of the Ezra the Boy Columnist is certainly another feather in Pawlenty’s cap!

MNHawk on June 9, 2011 at 12:43 PM

T-Paw will shock many people in the coming months.

blatantblue on June 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Does he have a Twitter account?

TheQuestion on June 9, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Because you’re trolling, that’s why. Your unending and all-purpose rejoinder is to whine that I’m unfair and continue to bash the other candidates.

KingGold on June 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM

False. I answered your post with legitimate questions that you fled from, fleebagger.

Link and quote where I’ve ever used the word ‘unfair’ in a post.

I’ll wait, LIAR.

fossten on June 9, 2011 at 12:54 PM

fossten on June 9, 2011 at 12:54 PM

*previous post

fossten on June 9, 2011 at 12:55 PM

fossten on June 9, 2011 at 12:54 PM

How old are you, kid? Twelve? Thirteen?

KingGold on June 9, 2011 at 12:57 PM

At least he has a economic plan

That is so naive. Have you ever seen John Kerry’s much touted secret plan to end the war?

Has anyone ever heard of Gary Hart’s new ideas? Has anyone ever asked these people if they actually will have and defend their designed for electioneering talk, or is this just another way of political gamesmanship like saying hope and change?

Sarah has a record -Sarah does the right things even if it’s her own party is the wrongdoer. Sarah, as the song goes, knows when to fold them…” That is a rare commodity today and the very one needed most. It is the thing the establishment fears.

Fast and smooth answers in a gottcha interview is a great skll for used-car salesman -not for a president who must ponder decision art a much more thoughtful level and consult with her;his well-chosen staff before making proper decisions. I, for one, don’t want anymore smooth talking pretend eaders who will tickle our ears one moment and cut them off the next!

Don L on June 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM

How old are you, kid? Twelve? Thirteen?

KingGold on June 9, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Ad hominem fail.

fossten on June 9, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Thank you. I’m glad there are readers here who are trying to remain objective, instead of trying to cut down every single person who isn’t Sarah Palin.

blatantblue on June 9, 2011 at 12:36 PM

But then there is the mirror phenomenon: building up every single person because they AREN’T Sarah Palin.

Polls are worth bupkiss at this point.

MJBrutus on June 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Well, except when you want to use them as a guide as to who’s “electable”, and then latch onto them.

pseudoforce on June 9, 2011 at 12:59 PM

I need someone who get’s things done boring efficiency is just what this country needs..

Political Chef on June 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM

You stole that from Mitt’s people. I’m not looking for someone to make our socialist government more boringly efficient a la Germany. My candidate is gonna take a meat axe to it.

Look, you like TPaw, go for it. I can’t get worked up about him. To me, T-Paw looks like Mitt did in 08–a blue state governor selling efficiency, claiming to be “the true conservative,” with a major apostasy on his record which he claims–if you believe him–to have abandoned. For Mitt, it was pro-choice, for T-Paw, its AGW. If the analogy holds, the Paw will fall far short and reappear in 16 T-Paw presenting himself as an unapologetic liberal REpublican doing it all again because its his turn.

Standard issue Blue State Republican Liars. No interest here.

james23 on June 9, 2011 at 1:02 PM

That’s why we need Palin -truth first – party second.(maybe -if the Rahm-ney plastic principled man is the one- third party.

…..and another 4 years of Obama.

rickyricardo on June 9, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Joe…………YOU WRONG.

PappyD61 on June 9, 2011 at 1:05 PM

T-Paw was a successful two-term conservative Republican governor of a Blue state who won reelection by embracing goof ball leftist dogma
annoyinglittletwerp on June 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM

fifm

james23 on June 9, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Sarah has a record -Sarah does the right things even if it’s her own party is the wrongdoer. Sarah, as the song goes, knows when to fold them…” That is a rare commodity today and the very one needed most. It is the thing the establishment fears.

Dang! Sarah’s not running! I haven’t heard her declare anyway. How about if we wait for that before we star comparing her to a declared candidate?

Vince on June 9, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Oh no, Ed’s delegated the Pawlenty PR activity to Tina. I keep telling you, she is Ed’s brainchild.

DaydreamBeliever on June 9, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Well, except when you want to use them as a guide as to who’s “electable”, and then latch onto them.

pseudoforce on June 9, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Keep dreaming that dream of yours. Your political paramour knows the truth about that and will not be running because of it.

MJBrutus on June 9, 2011 at 1:10 PM

is that 2012 might actually be that rare election in which “what the audience wants to hear” and “hard truths” are one and the same (at least, I really, really hope so!).

Ask Ryan

Audiences don’t want to hear the hard truths. They are living the hard truths.

They assume someone is going to have to kick axe or the nation is going down the tube. That is not the same as kicking their axes.

I can summarize the Ryan mistake: our nation has been robbed by pork swilling politicians, let’s cut Medicare.

A bunch of GOP have concluded the road to the WH involves telling the public that the public is the cause of the problem, and the public is going to have to pay

The public needs someone who looks like he is on their side, and who looks like he will champion what they are saying against the establishment.

Conservatives do not want a Nanny scolding them, but the disenfranchised also do not want their social studies teacher scolding them. They are over it. We are almost at flashpoint.

A wonk will konk

Lech Walesa got to be the leader in Poland when the crowd was challenged and everyone else took two steps back. Because Walesa had an epiphany and decided not to step back, he became their champion. But his first job was street fighter, not tax man to the people

The solution is not incorrect, but before you rebuild the townhall, you put the arsonist in jail, or at least, out to pasture. Otherwise, where is the trust?

entagor on June 9, 2011 at 1:12 PM

This man’s “You lie” will go in history as true as “It’s the economy, stupid”, by Carville.

Both will suffocate Obama in 2012.

The media shuld herald this gent as a superhero…alas, they can’t do that as Obama-asscrawlers.

Schadenfreude on June 9, 2011 at 1:14 PM

whether they will turn their back on the GOP candidate because he or she doesn’t represent their pet issue

I disa
gree, we got Bill,Clinton because, Bush’s lips flapped a lie – gave up on principles, ran on his history – like his son,who allowed Obama to come in, he failed to defend his actions.

Now we have a morally corrupt GOP that is trying to mimic the left’s faux image candidate -standing for nothing and now willing to turn its back on God and life and family values just to fight about money.

“Can’t we just put those social issues aside for this election?” (ask those millions who will die by our hands without a choice in the meantime)

As if the immoral theft of spending their money and raising their grandchildren’s taxes isn’t first and foremost -a moral issue. If the GOP would run like crazy on the principle of subsidiarity -they’d beat these Marxists to a pulp. Instead they wink, wink, at moral issues and expect low taxes to save the world and freebie taking parasites to suddenly become self sufficent because of economic wisdom -how naive can we be.

Don L on June 9, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Ezra Klein? Ezra Klein?

(Laughing fit ensues; takes a moment to recover from fit.)

Gimme a break. WGAS what that idiot says?

novaculus on June 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM

Some Republicans think that Sarah Palin shouldn’t even run. We Palin supporters welcome the campaign of Tim Pawlenty because we believe that competition is good.

May the best woman win. :p

Aitch748 on June 9, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Keep dreaming that dream of yours. Your political paramour knows the truth about that and will not be running because of it.

Must…stop…Palin.

Must…stop…Palin.

MJBrutus on June 9, 2011 at 1:10 PM

FIFY

fossten on June 9, 2011 at 1:31 PM

T-Paw will shock many people in the coming months.

blatantblue on June 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Does he have a Twitter account?

TheQuestion on June 9, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Well done.

myrenovations on June 9, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Truth > Change

John Deaux on June 9, 2011 at 2:00 PM

as everyone knows we are lead by hard leftists, crooks, liars, pond scum and sexual perverts…their main goal it to make loads of power, bling and fame for themselves…and f*** the future.

Christy’s speech before a firefighters convention:

You can imagine how that was received by 7,500 firefighters. As I walked into the room and was introduced. I was booed lustily. I made my way up to the stage, they booed some more. I got to the microphone, they booed some more. So I said, come on you can do better than that, and they did! They did. And then I said to them – I took away the prepared notes I had for the speech – I actually took them off of the podium, crumpled them up and threw them on the ground, so they could see that I would. And I said, here’s the deal: I understand you’re angry, and I understand you’re frustrated, and I understand you feel deceived and betrayed. And the reason you feel all the things is because you have been deceived and you have been betrayed. And for twenty years, governors have come into this room and lied to you. Promised you benefits that they had no way of paying for, making promises they knew they couldn’t keep, and just hoping that they wouldn’t be the man or women left holding the bag. I understand why you feel angry and betrayed and deceived by those people. Here’s what I don’t understand. Why are you booing the first guy who came in here and told you the truth? See, there is no political advantage to me coming into that room and telling the truth. The way we used to think about politics and unfortunately the way I fear they’re thinking about politics still in Washington DC. See, the old playbook says lie, deceive, obfuscate and make it to the next election. You know, there’s a study that says by 2020, New Jersey is one of eleven states whose pension could be bankrupt. And when I told a friend of mine about that study, he said to me, well wait. By 2020, you won’t be governor. What the hell do you care? That’s the way politics has been practiced in our country for too long and practiced in New Jersey for too long.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/02/full-transcript-chris-christies-aei-speech#ixzz1OnsGGo8f

r keller on June 9, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Don L on June 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Gov. Pawlenty is no blowhard like John Faux Kerry. He gave a major speech on economics a couple of days ago, full of details. I heard him interviewed by Larry Kudlow, and he was clear, explicit, detailed, and right on point after point. He’s clearly smart, knows his stuff, and probably would make a very good conservative President.

/Mr Lynn

MrLynn on June 9, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Tina, I think I was kinda tough on you in your first couple of threads here re. your writing, but this post shines brightly. (And not because you’re featuring my guy Pawlenty.) Every paragraph here contains profound thoughts, economy of words, & clarity. Great work.

itsnotaboutme on June 9, 2011 at 10:26 PM

As measured by Number USA (which is my test, it may not be yours) Tim Pawlenty is much better than any other candidate, except for Michelle Bachmann, who for some bizarre reason has chosen to hire Ed Rollins and run by insulting Sarah Palin supporters. (So as far as I’m concerned, that’s all for Michelle Bachmann.)

But Tim Pawlenty’s weakness, as everyone agrees, is that he finds it hard to get people to notice him.

At this point, he needs endorsements. It’s not so important from who. Later, whether the endorsers deliver organizational benefits will matter. But for now he just needs Joe Wilson or any other public figure saying “Tim Pawlenty is my guy.”

This is good news.

David Blue on June 9, 2011 at 10:28 PM