Historians agree: Palin was right about Revere

posted at 9:25 am on June 6, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

One if by land, and two if by sea … and then what?  According to historians interviewed by the Boston Herald, Paul Revere then warned the British not to challenge a roused and armed populace.  That came as news to many observers who had rushed to criticize Sarah Palin for her response to a gotcha question at the Old North Church:

Sarah Palin yesterday insisted her claim at the Old North Church last week that Paul Revere “warned the British” during his famed 1775 ride — remarks that Democrats and the media roundly ridiculed — is actually historically accurate. And local historians are backing her up.

Palin prompted howls of partisan derision when she said on Boston’s Freedom Trail that Revere “warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.”

The first to dispute Palin’s critics was … Paul Revere himself.  In his own account of the ride, written twenty-three years later, Revere recounts how the British captured him, and how he attempted to dissuade the British from advancing.  Revere warned that he had roused the local militias and that there would soon be 500 or more armed citizens coming together to repel the British.

A Boston University history professor told the Herald that Revere did indeed warn the British as well as the Americans earlier in his ride:

Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”

Of course, Revere wasn’t planning on getting captured.  He and others riding to the alarm (William Dawes and Samuel Prescott) wanted to warn John Hancock and Samuel Adams of British action first, and rouse the militia second.  Dawes and Prescott managed to elude the British and complete the mission, but Revere was captured.  Furthermore, his warnings sufficiently rattled the British that they let him go — but without his horse.  He returned on foot to Lexington, where he managed to hide a trunk with Hancock’s letters to keep it from being captured, but missed the battle.

Andrew Malcolm notes the “faux gaffe” and gives a history of such in the media:

This phenomenon is actually not a new one in American politics, although its immediate spread is obviously hastened by the Internet. Speaking of which, Al Gore did not invent it. Nor did he claim to, as often as you’ve heard otherwise.

In 1999, the hapless former journalist, who should have known to make a better word choice, told CNN that in Congress he “took the initiative in creating the Internet.”

Democrat Gore never used the word “invented.” That was part of another willful misinterpretation that fit expectations of Gore’s boasts and was gleefully spread by opponents as further proof of his unseemly hubris. It lives on to this day.

Perhaps you remember how one day during a photo op President George H.W. Bush was overheard asking a store checkout clerk how this price scanner thing worked?

That quote was immediately transmitted as proof of how disconnected that Republican chief executive was, that he had no knowledge of something as ordinary as a checkout scanner.

The fact is, asking such inane and often obvious questions as “what are you doing here?” is a bipartisan ploy used by politicians to fill the awkward time void they are hanging around someone working while photographers snap their photos several hundred times.

Frankly, I had forgotten much of the history of Revere’s ride until this incident, and I had to look it up for myself to recall what Palin meant by her response.  Tom Burnam covered it succinctly and accurately in his indispensable Dictionary of Misinformation, a book I have had on my shelf for more than 30 years.  If all people know of Revere is Longfellow’s poem, which is what the reaction to Palin’s remarks seem to show, then they know far less than they think.

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Even though the historian said she was correct, you say she was not?

right2bright on June 6, 2011 at 2:43 PM

IF you learned your history from the Poet Longfellow, what would you expect?

Regards,

the Dragon on June 6, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Wait, so Paul Revere rode around ringing bells and firing warning shots?

Because that’s what Palin said.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Politico covers Sarah Palin – No I didn’t mess up about Paul Revere.

Yeah it made the Drudge Report too it’s kind of difficult to miss the Lame Stream Media look dumb, and dumber’er.

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 2:50 PM

By the way- it takes some mental gymnastics to support Palin’s history by saying that after caught, he warned the British the colonists were mobilizing. What she said bears no resemblance to that being caught fact.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:55 PM

IF you learned your history from the Poet Longfellow, what would you expect?

Regards,

the Dragon on June 6, 2011 at 2:49 PM

It’s not Longfellow’s fault if the same people who get their news from Jon Stewart, get their historical facts from his poetry.

Longfellow is one of my all time favorite poets. He’s highly underrated. I don’t believe he was publishing poetry as factual historical account. Paul Revere’s Ride is a great poem.

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 2:56 PM

“In a shout-out, gotcha type of question that was asked of me, I answered candidly and I know my American history.”

Ugh. My God. When will Palin stop playing the victim? I hardly think an easy history question was a “gotcha question.” THIS is why I think she’s weak.

Reagan was called a dunce, but he never spent everyday whining that the media was unfair.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:57 PM

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:55 PM

You didn’t get the meme? Historians agree: Palin was right about Revere

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 2:57 PM

:lol Palin bashers continue to get egg on their faces. As with Reagan, Palin knows the truth!!!! Yippie!!!!

dec5 on June 6, 2011 at 2:59 PM

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:57 PM

That’s the old troll spirit, it’s not that she was correct it’s because she defended herself against the dumb a$$ lame media smears who are apparently too lazy to even use Google. What’s that narrative again….I didn’t catch it the first 100 times\

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Reagan was called a dunce, but he never spent everyday whining that the media was unfair.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:57 PM

You really have no idea what Reagan said about the media since the only thing that existed was essentially the liberal media. No Fox, no internet.

In today’s world every utterance from Reagan would be on the web within minutes.

darwin on June 6, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Ugh. My God. When will Palin stop playing the victim? I hardly think an easy history question was a “gotcha question.” THIS is why I think she’s weak.

Reagan was called a dunce, but he never spent everyday whining that the media was unfair.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:57 PM

A better question…When will you and the media QUIT playing the victim?

Regards,

the Dragon on June 6, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Comment #704 if this post is going to make it to a 1,000, there are trolls who have miles to go before they sleep.

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 3:05 PM

This is actually fun.

Regards,

the Dragon on June 6, 2011 at 3:06 PM

I know more about your history than 50% of your population. And that’s truly pathetic.

Dave Rywall on June 6, 2011 at 9:56 AM

53% obviously don’t remember Jimmy Carter. Wonder who they voted for, and with whom you share most views?

This time they have voted themselves into a large scale “those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it” lesson.

Anyway, back on topic – obviously Palin knows our history better than you do and better than most lib pundits and journalists.

RDuke on June 6, 2011 at 2:19 PM
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Clowns like you say that Palin must be relevant because liberals keep talking about her.

You hate making me relevant, don’t you.

Dave Rywall on June 6, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Clowns like you say that Palin must be relevant because liberals keep talking about her.

You hate making me relevant, don’t you.

Dave Rywall on June 6, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Talking about she who is relevant != you being relevant.

Nice try.

fossten on June 6, 2011 at 3:14 PM

You know what’s so bad about the subtitle on this post, is that Ed makes it appear as if Palin just got lucky on the details of Revere’s famous warning, instead painting a picture that she actually knew what she was talking about..!!. That really bothers me because it makes Ed look like he cannot help himself with his Palin-is-stupid bias….

Mcguyver on June 6, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Now CNN is bashing her…no comment re: the historians who said she is correct

Shameful

cmsinaz on June 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM

You hate making me relevant, don’t you.

Dave Rywall on June 6, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Dave as trolls go I prefer you over many. I mean csdeven is giving it the old troll try but she can’t stay on script.

Do you think Sarah Palin is scrolling through your comments if only I could get Dave Rywall from Canada on my side LOL!

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Mcguyver on June 6, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Cut Ed some slack…He backs a different horse.

the Dragon on June 6, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Revere “warned the British” that they would fail and should retreat was Palin’s clear intent, and confirmed by historians.

The people really claiming this was a gaffe do so by reinventing what she said to mean he “warned the Britsh” in order to tactically help them. No honest interpretation of what she said possibly means that.

Resolute on June 6, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Many believe Longfellow’s account of the Midnight Ride is inaccurate because he portrays Revere as a lone rider alerting the colonists. Longfellow also fails to mention that Revere was captured by British soldiers before he reached Concord. However, the literary creation of a folk hero named Paul Revere was inspiring to many, and the poem still reminds people of all ages what it means to be a patriot.

From the above link I left for the poem Paul Revere’s Ride….all anyone in the Media had to do is Google it it took probably less than 10 seconds. Now they look ignorant.

Revere was a patriot as Paul Harvey would have said, now you know the rest of the story…..Thank You Sarah Palin.

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Uhh, did you read the link that said historians back her up? The one guy said that Revere was caught and that he tried to bluff the British, and that technically she could’ve been right in that way, but he doubts that’s what she was talking about. The other historian said that OTHERS may have fired warning shots, so she was right about that (except she said Revere was firing warning shots and ringing bells), and the third guy said she was probably lucky in partially getting it right.

So the Boston Herald talk to 3 historians, 2 of whom give tepid support, at best, and they call it historians backing her up…and you guys do too.

Look- she was wrong. I’m as conservative as the next guy, and the media is unfair to conservatives, but she was wrong.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 3:28 PM

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:50 PM

And the second shift shows up!

Del Dolemonte on June 6, 2011 at 3:29 PM

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:57 PM

There’s no comparison. Reagan could to compose a sentence and do so quite well.

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 3:29 PM

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:50 PM

And the second shift string shows up!

Del Dolemonte on June 6, 2011 at 3:29 PM

FIFY

fossten on June 6, 2011 at 3:33 PM

There’s no comparison. Reagan could to compose a sentence and do so quite well.

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Unlike you, obviously.

fossten on June 6, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Revere was a patriot as Paul Harvey would have said, now you know the rest of the story…..Thank You Sarah Palin.

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Couldn’t agree more.

cs89 on June 6, 2011 at 3:34 PM

fossten on June 6, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Yes, we all appreciate a good typographic correction. It is universally recognized as the height of wit and persuasion.

Have you come back to explain the difference between “running” and “thinking about running?”

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Some info on these historians cited:

Brendan McConville (born 1965) is an American professor of history at Boston University. His many books on American History include “The King’s Three Faces” (University of Carolina Press, 2006) and “The American Revolution, 1763-1789″ (Longman, 2008). He was educated at Brown University and Reed College, Portland. His research focuses on the intersection of politics and social developments in Early America, and his interests include colonial history and the English Reformation.

Patrick M. Leehey has been on the staff at the Paul Revere House for over twenty years and is currently the museum’s research director.

William A. Jacobson is an American lawyer, professor, and political blogger.

Jacobson is a 1981 graduate of Hamilton College and a 1984 graduate of Harvard Law School. He is Associate Clinical Professor of Law and Director of the Securities Law Clinic at Cornell Law School. Prior to joining the faculty, Jacobson was a litigator in Providence, Rhode Island.

Del Dolemonte on June 6, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Yes, we all appreciate a good typographic correction. It is universally recognized as the height of wit and persuasion.

Have you come back to explain the difference between “running” and “thinking about running?”

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 3:37 PM

If you’re going to parse Palin’s words, prepare to be parsed.

I already answered your straw man and red herring. You have no logic behind your ‘argument.’ It is YOU who has to reconcile the Howard Dean comparison, not I.

fossten on June 6, 2011 at 3:41 PM

I knew what Palin was talking about because I knew the story about Revere being stopped by the British. But she messed up in the sense that she did not make a simple statement and be done with it…something like Paul Revere not only warned the Colonists that the British were coming, he warned the British that Americans would not be disarmed.

But no..she made some meandering statement that just sounded strange to most people who heard it. She needs to do better at thinking on her feet. I am not saying she is a dummie..she would not be where she is if she were a dummie..but she needs to do better at making simple statements.

The very fact that we are still talking about this is evidence that she made a mistake. I think she was probably just tired and distracted. It could happen to anyone, but this kind of thing happens to often to Sarah Palin.

She knows the press is watching and she says she made this trip to talk about our foundation, our history. She could have had a simple one or two sentence response to a question like that and just gone on..now here we are going over it again and again.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 3:44 PM

fossten on June 6, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Yes, you admitted that she isn’t running and then said that she is “considering” a run which is the same thing, only it isn’t except for when you want it to be … or something.

The Ho Dean comparison is apt. It is not a red herring:

Something, esp. a clue, that is or is intended to be misleading or distracting

nor is it a straw man:

A sham argument set up to be defeated

However, you remarks concerning what was never said about Reagan was a straw man. It was also a red herring since it served no purpose other than to distract from your own incompetent arguments. In fact, the very notion that I should produce a statement from SP that she is not running is a distraction, i.e. red herring. That is because one is not running until one says they are. That is how it works.

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 3:49 PM

She knows the press is watching and she says she made this trip to talk about our foundation, our history. She could have had a simple one or two sentence response to a question like that and just gone on..now here we are going over it again and again.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli comes to mind. I bet more google/bing…searches on Paul Revere in last few days, than probably in years combined.

Regards,

the Dragon on June 6, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Historians seem to agree that PR did warn the British when he captured. If she meant to suggest that it was his part of his intended objective, she might be wrong.

Seriously, is this what the democrats want? 57 states?

How many AMERICANS (not politicians) could accurately provide details of the historical events that shaped their nations? And this isn’t some obscure trivia, or it shouldn’t be. Equaivalents of Paul Revere and Nathan Hale in China or Japan would be celebrated as the definition of patriotism. You couldn’t survive your childhood without running into cartoons, comic books, songs, raps, and textbooks that detail every single event of their lives.

Mad Kimchi on June 6, 2011 at 3:50 PM

It could happen to anyone, but this kind of thing happens to often to Sarah Palin.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Not really … what happens to Sarah Palin is everyone makes a big stink out of it whereas they wouldn’t with everyone else.

darwin on June 6, 2011 at 3:52 PM

now here we are going over it again and again.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 3:44 PM

The only reason it was noticed at all is that the MSN and Palin-hating bloggers thought she was wrong. The reason we’re going over it again and again is that the gotcha bloggers won’t concede that was proven right.

littleguy on June 6, 2011 at 3:53 PM

The only reason it was noticed at all is that the MSN and Palin-hating bloggers thought she was wrong. The reason we’re going over it again and again is that the gotcha bloggers won’t concede that was proven right.

littleguy on June 6, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Yep, it’s Gwen Ifill all over again.

slickwillie2001 on June 6, 2011 at 3:55 PM

The Paul Revere Trap
An obvious act of cruelty from Sarah Palin.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43969

//

Hahaahahaa!! <3 Doc Zero!

powerpro on June 6, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Palin’s going to Sudan. She wants stop off in England to see Maggie if Maggie is up to it.

davidk on June 6, 2011 at 3:59 PM

davidk on June 6, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Will she be warning Lady Thatcher that the American colonists are armed?

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Sorry, Palinistas. Game over.

What Sarah Palin Got Wrong — And We Did, Too – Joel Miller, NRO

Before we all ride the Palin-Revere fiasco utterly into the ground, it’s worth noting what she really got wrong, and what the rest of us did as well.

Sarah Palin said that Paul Revere “warned the British that they weren’t gonna be taking away our arms, by ringing those bells and making sure, as he’s riding his horse through town, to send those warning shots and bells that we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free.”

As the author of a book about Revere’s life, when I heard this, I groaned. From Revere’s own account, it’s clear that he didn’t fire a shot, he didn’t ring a bell, and he didn’t intend to warn the British of anything (unless you count the townsfolk as British, which they technically were for a little while longer).

nickj116 on June 6, 2011 at 4:03 PM

William A. Jacobson is an American lawyer, professor, and political blogger.

Jacobson is a 1981 graduate of Hamilton College and a 1984 graduate of Harvard Law School. He is Associate Clinical Professor of Law and Director of the Securities Law Clinic at Cornell Law School. Prior to joining the faculty, Jacobson was a litigator in Providence, Rhode Island.

Del Dolemonte on June 6, 2011 at 3:38 PM

He also has a very good blog.

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/

davidk on June 6, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Will she be warning Lady Thatcher that the American colonists are armed?

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 4:02 PM

I presume Lady Thatcher will warn Palin about the bloody snobs of the press in the UK, and possibly the idiot bloggers who hate them both.

littleguy on June 6, 2011 at 4:06 PM

littleguy on June 6, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Hopefully so.

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Will she be warning Lady Thatcher that the American colonists are armed?

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 4:02 PM

I ‘spect the Lady knows the history.

And be assured, Sarah will be shooting from the hip lip.

davidk on June 6, 2011 at 4:08 PM

As the author of a book about Revere’s life, when I heard this, I groaned. From Revere’s own account, it’s clear that he didn’t fire a shot, he didn’t ring a bell, and he didn’t intend to warn the British of anything (unless you count the townsfolk as British, which they technically were for a little while longer).

nickj116 on June 6, 2011 at 4:03 PM

Is this guy a historian? Not according to the linked article, which says he’s the vice president of editorial and acquisitions at Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Del Dolemonte on June 6, 2011 at 4:09 PM

Look- she was wrong. I’m as conservative as the next guy, and the media is unfair to conservatives, but she was wrong.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Look this is the 3rd strategy for you. First, she got it all wrong, second she’s playing a victim of the gotcha media…now 3rd the historians are covering for her, you are concerned for her but let’s face it you know she’s wrong, and the media is unfair.

All three are a load of crap. Palin said what she meant . When she was attacked by the media for stating it, she responded, No I meant what I said. Next Historians state yes Palin is correct…..because they aren’t going to rewrite history so Lameturds can save face on cheap cable news networks, that apparently don’t have internet access or the ability to Google.

Historians agree: Palin was right about Revere

So no I don’t agree, Black is not White – Day is not Night. And Up still isn’t Down.

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 4:17 PM

By the way- it takes some mental gymnastics to support Palin’s history by saying that after caught, he warned the British the colonists were mobilizing. What she said bears no resemblance to that being caught fact.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Ugh. My God. When will Palin stop playing the victim? I hardly think an easy history question was a “gotcha question.” THIS is why I think she’s weak.

Reagan was called a dunce, but he never spent everyday whining that the media was unfair.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Uhh, did you read the link that said historians back her up? The one guy said that Revere was caught and that he tried to bluff the British, and that technically she could’ve been right in that way, but he doubts that’s what she was talking about. The other historian said that OTHERS may have fired warning shots, so she was right about that (except she said Revere was firing warning shots and ringing bells), and the third guy said she was probably lucky in partially getting it right.

So the Boston Herald talk to 3 historians, 2 of whom give tepid support, at best, and they call it historians backing her up…and you guys do too.

Look- she was wrong. I’m as conservative as the next guy, and the media is unfair to conservatives, but she was wrong.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Incredible dissembling learn that at troll camp?

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Despite all the nonsense from the “she’s not electable” RINO-supporters, Palin has the Liberals scared to death.

Naturally they will jump on every little thing and hope she goes away so someone more acceptable to the Leftists gets the GOP nomination-again.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 6, 2011 at 4:22 PM

NoNails on June 6, 2011 at 12:47 PM

1) When Romney has as many threads as Palin does, then you’ll see how much he is excoriated.
2) I don’t have a candidate yet.
3) The reason the other candidates threads aren’t as long is because most of us agree on their faults and don’t spend 50% of our comments on name calling, personal insults, and demeaning accusations. Something you are quite proficient at.

I’ll prove it to you on the next Romney et al thread.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 4:32 PM

If that is her strategy, it’s not working very well. I think that most of the people who have heard the scorn she reaped from it have not heard that she really got it right, historically.

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 2:16 PM

It is her reverse-reverse-reverse psychology don’t cha know? The meme right now is the reverse-reverse part. The final reverse comes later.

Anyway, that is what I hear from a few Palin folks. The LSM, the DNC, and every other opponent of Sarah does the same thing. They say bad things about her because they are scared of her….unless they say something nice and then they are just trying to lull everyone to sleep. Until they say they prefer to run against her because that means they really do not want to run against her. Or something….you’ll have to ask.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Answer honestly, did any of you actually read the linked Boston Herald article where experts supposedly support Palin’s telling of history? They talked to 3 people, 2 of which basically said she was wrong, and a third said she was only technically right in that others fired warning shots later, though she said Revere fired warning shots and rang bells.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 4:45 PM

I saw this at WaPo:

Palin appears to be referring to a part of the story which is not in Henry Wadsworth Longfellow’s poem but is described elsewhere in historical accounts, in which Revere is detained by the British and warns them, while at gunpoint, that 500 American militiamen awaited in Concord.

In her initial comment and on Sunday, Palin seemed to blend this aspect of the story with Revere actually riding around to warn the Americans that the British were coming. She described Revere warning the British by riding through town, firing warning shots and ringing bells. Warning shots and bells are not included in historical accounts of the ride, either.

“He who warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free,” Palin said to a local TV reporter.

This is the problem, she sounds meandering in these comments. It just sounds strange. She tries to include too many details and goes off the subject..short and sweet is how she should have done it..Paul Revere warned colonists about the British being in the area and he also warned the British that the Americans were prepared to fight.. something like that..but all that stuff about bells etc just sounds odd.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 4:48 PM

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Palin supporters: Fingers in ear saying “lalalalalalalala”.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Palin supporters: Fingers in ear saying “lalalalalalalala”.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 4:48 PM

csdeven with his finger up his @#$ screaming, “No, it can’t be true; no it can’t be true; no, no, no a thousand times nooooooo!!!”

littleguy on June 6, 2011 at 4:54 PM

The Boston Herald quotes two local historians who back up the fact that Palin may have been right:
Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Palin never said church bells rang at some point, she said Revere went around ringingbells and firing off warning shots.

So McConville’s statement means next to nothing, as he’s not accurately portraying what Palin actually said.

What is wrong with people they adore a figure so much that logic just goes out the door? Reading comprehension dies when the text concerns a person you adore?

Mind boggling.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”

It’s in English – what’s the problem? She was asked a question she wasn’t giving a historical dissertation. Or is that the expectation standard she has to meet now when she answers a reporter? Reporter who won’t bother to fact check her answer: there will be a pop quiz Missy you better study LOL!

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM

The Boston Herald quotes two local historians who back up the fact that Palin may have been right:
Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 4:56 PM

This is what she actually said:

“He who warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free,” Palin said to a local TV reporter.

Does that not sound odd to you? Palin’s problem is not with some difference in the historical account so much as it is with the way she expresses herself…that comment sounds odd to people. We can say she had it right all along..and to be honest, I do think she had read or heard about Revere being captured by the British…but she has conflated the two incidents in such a way in this statement that it sounds weird. Maybe she was tired or distracted or something.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:04 PM

What is wrong with people they adore a figure so much that logic just goes out the door? Reading comprehension dies when the text concerns a person you adore?

Mind boggling.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 4:59 PM

This is your 4th shot so now it’s not that Palin is wrong or that she is playing a victim to the media, or that she was wrong, the historian was covering for her, but the media isn’t fair to conservatives concern, concern……now the Historian has to be wrong and people can’t process plain English because they won’t agree with you that she’s wrong, although there is no substance to back up what you are saying. Just a critique, and not an original one.

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Reading comprehension dies when the text concerns a person you adore?

Mind boggling.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Apparently a lack of comprehension is more apparent in those who indulge in loathing. Seeing things that aren’t there, too, eh? That’s the result of a boggled mind, I suppose.

littleguy on June 6, 2011 at 5:07 PM

t’s in English – what’s the problem? She was asked a question she wasn’t giving a historical dissertation. Or is that the expectation standard she has to meet now when she answers a reporter? Reporter who won’t bother to fact check her answer: there will be a pop quiz Missy you better study LOL!

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM

I am tired of making excuses for Palin. The whole point to this bus tour was historical..our foundation..remember? She managed to so garble that answer that it is almost impossible to even know exactly what she is referring to. That is why days and days after the fact we are still talking about it. She knew that people would be talking to her about the tour and its purpose..the question was not strange or out of left field…if she had just expressed herself in a more coherent fashion this would not even be a topic of discussion.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Maybe she was tired or distracted or something.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:04 PM

She was signing autographs and meeting and greeting.

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 5:09 PM

“He who warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free,” Palin said to a local TV reporter.

I mean really, is it any surprise that people did not know what she was talking about? I think she was tired and distracted. Fine, but that does not change the fact that the sentence is hard to follow.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:11 PM

if she had just expressed herself in a more coherent fashion this would not even be a topic of discussion.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Well we could go over to the Weiner thread and discuss his junk, but you know that ones been beaten to death ;)

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 5:11 PM

if she had just expressed herself in a more coherent fashion this would not even be a topic of discussion.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:08 PM

They would have simply looked for another sound bite, instead. If they really think Romney is the top dog, he will begin getting a similar treatment — think he’s immune? Stay tuned, film at eleven!

littleguy on June 6, 2011 at 5:13 PM

littleguy on June 6, 2011 at 5:13 PM

They already started see the Newsweek cover…there is no bottom where they are concerned – I am no Romney supporter by any means, but I think that’s a below the belt shot. Romney better grow some thick skin. Palin already has.

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 5:17 PM

This is your 4th shot so now it’s not that Palin is wrong or that she is playing a victim to the media, or that she was wrong, the historian was covering for her, but the media isn’t fair to conservatives concern, concern……now the Historian has to be wrong and people can’t process plain English because they won’t agree with you that she’s wrong, although there is no substance to back up what you are saying. Just a critique, and not an original one.

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 5:06 PM

It all goes back to people not knowing what she was talking about.

The truth is she has conflated two incidents into one. If she had been plainer in her meaning people might not have thought she was wrong. I think you could debate as to whether Revere warned the British, or tried to bluff them to give people time to get away. The following is a short but I do think accurate account:

Revere became a trusted messenger for the Massachusetts Committee of Safety, an organization set up to resist the British. He foresaw an attack by the British troops against the location of military supplies in Concord, Massachusetts, and arranged a signal to warn the patriots in Charlestown, Massachusetts. During the late evening of April 18, 1775, the chairman of the Committee of Safety told him that the British were going to march to Concord. Revere signaled by hanging two lanterns in the tower of Boston’s North Church. This showed that the British were approaching “by sea,” that is, by way of the Charles River. He crossed the river, borrowed a horse in Charlestown, and started for Concord. Arriving in Lexington, Massachusetts, at midnight, he awakened American rebels John Hancock (1737–1793) and Samuel Adams (1722–1803), allowing the two men to flee to safety.

Revere was captured that night by the British, but he persuaded his captors that the whole countryside was aroused to fight, and they freed him. He returned to Lexington, where he saw the first shot fired in the first battle of the Revolutionary War (1776). This ride and series of events were made legendary by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807–1882) in the poem “Paul Revere’s Ride.”

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:17 PM

if she had just expressed herself in a more coherent fashion this would not even be a topic of discussion.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:08 PM

They would have simply looked for another sound bite, instead. If they really think Romney is the top dog, he will begin getting a similar treatment — think he’s immune? Stay tuned, film at eleven!

littleguy on June 6, 2011 at 5:13 PM

I do not think anyone is immune. Not on the right side anyway. That is just more reason to be more careful about the choice of words..I think Palin was careless. Not dumb, just careless and she knows that people will come to rescue no matter what…if Romney had spoken and made a comment that sounded that disjointed and garbled..would people have cut him any slack? I don’t think so.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:22 PM

What she said was accurate, the way she said it was odd.

Rose on June 6, 2011 at 5:27 PM

It all goes back to people not knowing what she was talking about.
Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:17 PM

And there isn’t anything wrong with not knowing what she was talking about…if the reporter was paying attention to the site they were visiting and not just stalking her LOL. He might have read or heard the same thing she was relaying, probably fresh from her latest visit, she was talking fast and signing autographs. It probably all made sense- the sequence in her mind.

If he didn’t bother to look over the same historical material she was than he had the Google option, just a smidgen of fact checking would have cleared things up. But the reporter was probably working off of the Longfellow poem, which I have mentioned before is a great poem so kudos to the reporter if he has a familiarity with it.

You and I have used search engines, and gotten the results in seconds…I don’t think it was too much to ask the MSM to just check their facts – isn’t that part of their job description?

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 5:28 PM

I am tired of making excuses for Palin.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Mind throwing a couple of links in as to when you have?

Thanks.

cs89 on June 6, 2011 at 5:30 PM

From Legal Insurrection Post:

When I pointed out a fact, that Revere himself wrote that he had warned the British that the colonial militias were waiting, the anti-Palinites went into full attack mode, calling me a “deranged propagandist,” of making Palin “an object of idolatry,” and of validating “the vagina vote.”

In fact, as pointed out at Conservatives4Palin, Revere did in fact tell the British that the colonial militias, who had been alerted, were waiting for them. Here is the original historical text written by Revere (spelling in original, bold added):
I observed a Wood at a Small distance, & made for that. When I got there, out Started Six officers, on Horse back,and orderd me to dismount;-one of them, who appeared to have the command, examined me, where I came from,& what my Name Was? I told him. it was Revere, he asked if it was Paul? I told him yes He asked me if I was an express? I answered in the afirmative. He demanded what time I left Boston? I told him; and aded, that their troops had catched aground in passing the River, and that There would be five hundred Americans there in a short time, for I had alarmed the Country all the way up. He imediately rode towards those who stoppd us, when all five of them came down upon a full gallop; one of them, whom I afterwards found to be Major Mitchel, of the 5th Regiment, Clapped his pistol to my head, called me by name, & told me he was going to ask me some questions, & if I did not give him true answers, he would blow my brains out. He then asked me similar questions to those above. He then orderd me to mount my Horse, after searching me for arms
Palin’s short statement on the video was less than clear; that sometimes happens but the part of the statement which has people screaming — that Revere warned the British that the colonial militias were waiting — appears to be true.

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 5:37 PM

From Legal Insurrection Link above:

“When I pointed out a fact, that Revere himself wrote that he had warned the British that the colonial militias were waiting, the anti-Palinites went into full attack mode, calling me a “deranged propagandist,” of making Palin “an object of idolatry,” and of validating “the vagin@ vote.”

Revere did in fact tell the British that the colonial militias, who had been alerted, were waiting for them. Here is the original historical text written by Revere (spelling in original, bold added):
I observed a Wood at a Small distance, & made for that. When I got there, out Started Six officers, on Horse back,and orderd me to dismount;-one of them, who appeared to have the command, examined me, where I came from,& what my Name Was? I told him. it was Revere, he asked if it was Paul? I told him yes He asked me if I was an express? I answered in the afirmative. He demanded what time I left Boston? I told him; and aded, that their troops had catched aground in passing the River, and that There would be five hundred Americans there in a short time, for I had alarmed the Country all the way up. He imediately rode towards those who stoppd us, when all five of them came down upon a full gallop; one of them, whom I afterwards found to be Major Mitchel, of the 5th Regiment, Clapped his pistol to my head, called me by name, & told me he was going to ask me some questions, & if I did not give him true answers, he would blow my brains out. He then asked me similar questions to those above. He then orderd me to mount my Horse, after searching me for arms END

Hey how come no troll has accused us of validating the vagin@ vote? Slackers LOL!

Dr Evil on June 6, 2011 at 5:41 PM

President Sarah Palin will not tolerate any loose Weiners compromising our government.

Roy Rogers on June 6, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Mind throwing a couple of links in as to when you have? Thanks.

cs89 on June 6, 2011 at 5:30 PM

My thoughts exactly. Isn’t it funny how most of the people who gnash their teeth on every Palin thread about how her supporters just won’t accept any gosh darn constructive criticism have themselves never given her the benefit of the doubt a single time?

Kataklysmic on June 6, 2011 at 5:56 PM

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Three feints is my usual limit. After that I get terribly confused.

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Three feints is my usual limit. After that I get terribly confused.

MJBrutus on June 6, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Absolute confusion is why the three feint psychology becomes a belief system. lol

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:12 PM

What she said was accurate, the way she said it was odd.

Rose on June 6, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Seems pretty straight forward.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:13 PM

I don’t think so.

Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:22 PM

You’re right. There are 2 or three that make excuses for certain candidates (except for the Paul supporters). Most of us are pretty tough on the other candidates. I think the Palin supporters are just reacting to three years of the Palin bashing by the media. Certainly most of their accusations are total lies and mis-characterizations, but even at that, sometimes they do get it right. In this case they got it right.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM

This entire episode continues to be entertaining as hell to me.

Once again, she was nailed to the wall, but then she wasn’t.

They were wrong, and it’s a fact.

Certainly, she could have expressed herself more clearly or eloquently that day, but her Fox News Sunday comments did clarify the fact that there is more to this than most were aware of.

I agree that this has prompted supporters and critics alike to investigate exactly what did happen in relation to Paul Revere, either to prove her wrong or back her up.

So Sarah, I say highlighting our history and reminding people of the foundation of our country was a great idea.

Mission accomplished, and keep it up.

Can’t wait to see this bus roll into South Carolina and Iowa, and then the premiere of the documentary.

If anyone wants to compare embarrassing misstatements of history, I would say both Obama and Biden have outdone this one many times over, without a doubt.

Two examples right off the top of my head:

Obama saying his grandfather, in General George Patton’s 3rd Army, liberated the Auschwitz concentration camp.

Auschwitz was overrun by the Soviet Red Army.

Biden, telling Katie Couric that FDR spoke to America on television about the 1929 stock market crash.

There was no television in 1929.

If she is an idiot, they are idiots.

Brian1972 on June 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM

In this case they got it right.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM

LOL. Rinse, repeat.

littleguy on June 6, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Mission accomplished, and keep it up.

Brian1972 on June 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Keep botching up the details of history so the rest of us will investigate?

Seriously? Is that what you are saying?

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:27 PM

What is wrong with people they adore a figure so much that logic just goes out the door? Reading comprehension dies when the text concerns a person you adore?

Mind boggling.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2011 at 4:59 PM

It happened with ?fred? in 2008 and with Paul every time he runs.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Keep botching up the details of history so the rest of us will investigate?

Seriously? Is that what you are saying?

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:27 PM

No, he wasn’t talking about you.

littleguy on June 6, 2011 at 6:31 PM

If all people know of Revere is Longfellow’s poem, which is what the reaction to Palin’s remarks seem to show, then they know far less than they think.

There are 3 separate versions Paul Revere midnight ride from Paul Revere himself. His first two accounts, a draft and a corrected copy of a deposition, both dated 1775. The goal of these deposition were to prove the British had fired the first shot.

Remember this! this is key! The goal of these deposition were to prove the British had fired the first shot.
Its on the test!

The 3rd version was written 23 years later, including a lot more detail, and yep shots were fired as warnings.

All 3 of these are different from the poem of Paul Revere midnight ride.

So what are the odds with 4 versions of Paul Revere midnight ride that you know what the correct one was?
I would bet money most of the people criticizing Palin on this do not know there are 4 (with the Poem) versions of Paul Revere midnight ride.
Remember the first 2 were to prove the British had fired the first shot,

wouldn’t look good if gun fire was used to signal as that might be interpreted as gun fire……..at the British.

use yur head, it’s midnight, people are sleeping, what is going to get their attention some little bell or gunfire?

DSchoen on June 6, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Keep botching up the details of history so the rest of us will investigate?

Seriously? Is that what you are saying?

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Keep highlighting events from our history, is what I am saying.

Most of the people who jumped down her throat had no idea that he in fact did warn the British soldiers they were in trouble when he was captured by them.

This is after all, why they let him go.

Chris Wallace was at least man enough to admit he had to look it up himself.

It does remind me of the way that snickering media know it alls jumped on her for warning Tea Party Americans not to party like it is 1773 last fall. They were wrong, she was right. Nobody bothered to check first before flooding Twitter with their stupidity.

This is not that big of a deal, she will continue on with her mission, undeterred. Just like she always has every single time the Liberal-Media-Democrat Complex thinks they have her down on the mat for good this time, at last.

As I said above, Obama and Biden have butchered history they were talking about much, much worse and far more often.

Brian1972 on June 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Most of us are pretty tough on the other candidates

.

I’ve got no problem with that v. Palin, It would be interesting if that included similar standards by which each should be judged.

What I find peculiar is that there seems to be a different criteria as to who should even be allowed to enter the Primaries.

I think the Palin supporters are just reacting to three years of the Palin bashing by the media. Certainly most of their (?) accusations are total lies and mis-characterizations, but even at that, sometimes they do get it right. In this case they got it right.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM

I think the part I bolded is accurate, what you left out was also taking incoming almost as intense from the Ruling Class Republicans.

I am somewhat confused as to who “their” refers too, I presume it might be the media, although it might also refer to Palin supporters, so the rest of it is confusing.

Regards,

the Dragon on June 6, 2011 at 6:42 PM

The reason the other candidates threads aren’t as long is because most of us agree on their faults and don’t spend 50% of our comments on name calling, personal insults, and demeaning accusations they don’t have foaming-at-the-mouth detracors who post “Abdicate!1!!” 400 times.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 4:32 PM

FIFY

Kataklysmic on June 6, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Keep highlighting events from our history, is what I am saying.

Okay. My mistake.

As I said above, Obama and Biden have butchered history they were talking about much, much worse and far more often.

Brian1972 on June 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM

No kidding! What a couple of @sshats!

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:46 PM

the Dragon on June 6, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Yes. The media misrepresents and outright lies about Sarah.

The ruling class seem to have a problem with her approach as well. I think an unconventionality campaign has some merit, but so does going with tried and true methods.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:49 PM

As I said above, Obama and Biden have butchered history they were talking about much, much worse and far more often.

Brian1972 on June 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM

No kidding … and they’re considered fit for office.

darwin on June 6, 2011 at 6:51 PM

No kidding! What a couple of @sshats!

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:46 PM

America became a great, exceptional nation when LBJ and a Democrat Congress created Medicare in 1965.

There is another one for you.

At least, Palin understands what really makes America an exceptional nation, and it was the Founding Fathers, the product of all their sacrifice and deliberations in the late 1700′s.

This is the core of her message on this tour, and I think that is an excellent subject to bring attention to.

To the extent this little blow up is a distraction from that, it is the doing of the media who are desperate to talk about anything else other than what most people agree is the Foundation of our country.

They inadvertently helped Palin accomplish her goal.

On both sides, people have learned more than they knew before. That is a good thing.

Brian1972 on June 6, 2011 at 6:54 PM

The ruling class seem to have a problem with her approach as well. I think an unconventionality campaign has some merit, but so does going with tried and true methods.

csdeven on June 6, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Just how would one go about when those who might be useful in a tried and true methods have been at the heart of the “Friendly Fire”?

Also, the Republican Party has run 3 Conservative candidates since 1922. 2 won and served 2 terms, the other lost. Otherwise varying shades of moderation.

Regards,

the Dragon on June 6, 2011 at 6:57 PM

By the way, this little clip was actually at North Church, where she had just been through the tour.

I would include Sarah in those that had learned something, only she is not so arrogant as to pretend she knew it all before. She would be glad for the experience of being there, and meeting those people who care for our historic sites.

She said as much herself, actually:

I wanted to say a special thank you to the men and women of the National Park Service and Foundations. America’s most historic and naturally beautiful places are adoringly cared for by these public servants. And they are absolutely some of the finest people you will ever meet.

Thanks to all of you; our national treasures are in very good hands.

- Sarah Palin

Nice photos at the link.

Brian1972 on June 6, 2011 at 7:00 PM

weren’t

use yur head, it’s midnight, people are sleeping, what is going to get their attention some little bell or gunfire?

DSchoen on June 6, 2011 at 6:31 “PM

Actually,they weren’t ” little” bells. Most churches had more than one and the art of ” change ringing is still an art and was used to warn of danger and celebrate events. The bells are expensive to maintain and have mostly been replaced. I was told that a quarter peal was rung at Trinity Church in NYC to celebrate the royal wedding.

katy the mean old lady on June 6, 2011 at 7:03 PM

The truth is she has conflated two incidents into one.
Terrye on June 6, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Considering that with the poem there are 4 versions of what happened that night.
3 of those 4 versions come from Revere himself.

If you claim one version is true there is a 75% chance your wrong. Conflating 2 of the stories means you have 50% chance of being right and a 50% chance being wrong.

The good thing about this story is how many people looked this up?
Will teachers across America use this as a spark to get kids to research history.
If that happens the value is un-messurable.

DSchoen on June 6, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Will teachers across America use this as a spark to get kids to research history.
If that happens the value is un-messurable.

DSchoen on June 6, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Unfortunately, many of them would rather impeach Scott Walker.

Brian1972 on June 6, 2011 at 7:10 PM

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