Housing slide worse than Great Depression?
posted at 12:30 pm on June 4, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
That’s the assessment of the US housing market decline from the British newspaper The Independent, and it’s true … technically. From peak to trough, the fall in average single-family home values since 2007 has hit 33%, surpassing the 31% drop in housing prices during the Great Depression:
The ailing US housing market passed a grim milestone in the first quarter of this year, posting a further deterioration that means the fall in house prices is now greater than that suffered during the Great Depression.
The brief recovery in prices in 2009, spurred by government aid to first-time buyers, has now been entirely snuffed out, and the average American home now costs 33 per cent less than it did at the peak of the housing bubble in 2007. The peak-to-trough fall in house prices in the 1930s Depression was 31 per cent – and prices took 19 years to recover after that downturn.
The latest Case-Shiller house price index was just one of a slew of disappointing economic data from the US yesterday, which suggested ebbing confidence in the recovery of the world’s largest economy. The Chicago PMI manufacturing index showed a sharp slowdown in the pace of expansion in May, missing Wall Street forecasts and sending the index to its lowest since November 2009.
We should keep a couple of things in mind when making comparisons to the Great Depression, however. First, this collapse in home values follows a lengthy bubble that mainly applied specifically to home values. What followed in this case was a recession, not the serious deflation seen in the Great Depression that lowered all asset valuations, not just homes. That’s one reason why it took 19 years for home values to recover from the Great Depression.
Housing values still seem to be searching for a bottom, but we’re probably getting closer to it now. Adjusting for inflation, we’re still a little ahead in home value than at the start of the bubble in 1997-98. The actual data from the Case-Shiller report puts average single-family home value at the mid-2002 level. What we’ve lost is most of the irrational valuations created by government-warped lending incentives and the loose money that fueled them. The crash in the 1930s set homeowners much farther back, as most of those losses were in real valuation and not just a correction against the irrational.
In other words, the issue is less how much prices have fallen than about how much prices irrationally rose in the first place.
Still, this news does show the folly of the attempts by the Obama administration to use tax money to keep the revaluations from proceeding as they were inevitably going to do anyway through gimmicky tax credits on home sales. All that did was postpone the inevitable, incentivize purchases that would have been made anyway, and end up costing those buyers more than they saved in paying for a house with the credit. It also reminds us that government intervention in markets to pick winners for political purposes does much more damage than good, and almost always hurts the very people that intervention advocates claim to be assisting.









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Do we actually OWN our homes anyway?
Even if you “own” your house try not paying the thousands in property taxes every year and see who “owns” your home.
This report is no biggie anyway we should all be living in Rental towers like the Communists had to live in the Soviet Union did for decades.
Where you literally had to wait YEARS just to get your permit approved to even get a tiny apartment.
PappyD61 on June 4, 2011 at 12:35 PM
Democrats, those creatures who are always shilling for the “poor” or the “working class” should like the fact that many more homes are now affordable to more of the “poor” and “working class”.
keep the change on June 4, 2011 at 12:35 PM
that’s a great point, Ed. We purchased our first home in 2003 and noticed that many homes all around us just continued to skyrocket in price. As a novice buyer, I wondered that this had to be pseudo-value in the market and it just couldn’t continue. I also saw folks who could not/should not buy a home-buying them, along with 2 new cars, etc. Turns out I was right. FWTW
ted c on June 4, 2011 at 12:36 PM
We are paying a mortgage on a condo we can’t sell at our cost for two years now, and the value of our home has dropped to what the current mortgage pay off would be. Anyone that has invested in real estate is screwed. This was the vision of Obama, Frank and the rest of the irresponsible, ivory tower theorists that wanted to take from those that have worked towards security and to be self reliant only to have it all reduced in value as a burden. The current economic conditions have no light at the end of the tunnel and this nation will be doomed if these people stay in office.
Hening on June 4, 2011 at 12:39 PM
My property taxes, which will go up soon again, are almost twice the rent of my first apartment.
CW on June 4, 2011 at 12:39 PM
Pffft – a home owner is just a tenant who pays his rent to the state instead of some balky with a track suit.
abobo on June 4, 2011 at 12:42 PM
They still are not avaiable to the “poor” That’s how we got into this mess. I sell homes to the working class.
katy the mean old lady on June 4, 2011 at 12:43 PM
So the families who are a hundred k upside down will never see their house appreciate back to the value on the mortgage.
offroadaz on June 4, 2011 at 12:44 PM
Mammy and I’s home that we purchased 6 years ago…..we’d be lucky if we could sell it for what we paid for it.
In addition our property taxes are 30% higher.
Thank you Fannie Freddie and all the Ruling Class politicians and friends that got rich off of the bubble.
PappyD61 on June 4, 2011 at 12:46 PM
It’s relative. Fight the appraisle
katy the mean old lady on June 4, 2011 at 12:47 PM
We may not have hit the bottom yet, but our property valuations done by local tax accessors has not followed suit and continue to rise.
This will be the tipping point for the American people…..
Knucklehead on June 4, 2011 at 12:48 PM
This whole bubble screwed up more than homeowners. State and local governments relying upon property taxes saw increased revenue due to increased valuation and, as typical government entities, viewed that as going on forever. Now the only answers they can come up with is tax increases because revenues at the current tax rates have fallen.
AZfederalist on June 4, 2011 at 12:48 PM
That’s why I got out of the business during the bubble. People lost their minds here in South Florida. Now I’m back in.
katy the mean old lady on June 4, 2011 at 12:52 PM
First time home buyers of the past decade are screwed. People outside this demographic don’t even understand the extent of that.
Resolute on June 4, 2011 at 12:52 PM
Yep. “Squeeze that rock a little harder”.
Good luck with that.
VegasRick on June 4, 2011 at 12:52 PM
You do realize that his property taxes are built into your rent, right?
Someone who is conspiracy minded, would say that since homeowners tend to be more conservative than renters, the 0bama regime along with the left would like nothing better than to make America a nation of renters.
Rebar on June 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM
I think it is gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
Just think about it, Interest rates are super low and mortgage interest is deductible.
Look at it from the point of view of how many dollar it takes to buy a house compared to ounces of gold.
esnap on June 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM
I tried to point out that home ownership (and the implied freedom that went with it) is the foundation of America…all I got were replies from people that missed the point by a mile.
Darn skippy the left would love to have us all dance to the tune of landlords!
Uncle Sams Nephew on June 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM
Here is a chart that shows house prices compared to gold.
http://www.sharelynx.com/chartstemp/USHLSPOG.php
A house that would cost you 825 ounces of gold in 2000 will cost you only 175 ounces in 2011
You could also look at it in comparison to:
Bales of cotton
Bushels of wheat
Gallons of gas.
I’m tellin’ ya, ya better start planting your gardens and get some rabbit and chickens or you are gonna be wanting.
esnap on June 4, 2011 at 1:12 PM
Woopee, mortgage interest deduction… What does that matter to the nearly 50% who pay no income taxes?
The power to social engineer behavior based on tax deductions for taxpayers has lost the battle to the power to social engineer based upon passing out handouts of other people’s taxes paid. The problem with this later form of social engineering is it’s counter productive to general prosperity — aka, counter the the general welfare of the nation. However, ignoring the Preamble’s guidelines is what powers Obamacrats and many RINOs.
And yes, this means it is going to get worse, at least until someone changes the paradigms described above.
drfredc on June 4, 2011 at 1:17 PM
Maher On Palin: “Anybody Could Be President In This Dumb F*ckin’ Country”
Maher might be on to something; if a dim-witted community organizer with no experience can get the job, anyone can.
http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/06/maher-on-palin-anybody-could-be.html
Nearly Nobody on June 4, 2011 at 1:20 PM
“Housing values still seem to be searching for a bottom, but we’re probably getting closer to it now.”
Now this in insightful. If prices are continuing to drop, of course we are closer to a bottom than when prices were higher.
GaltBlvnAtty on June 4, 2011 at 1:32 PM
@ Keep The Change
I love how the Democrats are the champions of “Working People”, when their core constituency is made up of welfare recipients, union labor who may well get fired from any job that required performance, and government employees (as opposed to government workers which do not exist).
Want to talk about working people? Try finding anyone who works harder or longer than a small business man.
Republicans represent the real working man.
The Rock on June 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM
I sold my home in Texas and bought an acre in Hawaii and am building my home with cash and materials I shipped here.
I have no electric bill (solar/ veg oil generator)
No water bill (catchment)
I’ll have very little in food cost (growing and raising my own)
Hell I butchered a wild hog just yesterday.
It cost me about 30 cents to make a loaf of bread.
My property taxes are 99 bucks per year.
And I am sitting on gold,1000s of rounds of ammo and seeds.
I saw this sh!t storm coming 6 years ago and started planning.
esnap on June 4, 2011 at 1:34 PM
As a real estate broker in the midwest, from my standpoint it’ll get worse before it gets better, as we have not hit bottom yet. (here at least)
I survived the Jimmah Carter days, but I’m decidely less confident about surviving the Obama “effect”.
Tim Zank on June 4, 2011 at 1:37 PM
the 0bama regime along with the left would like nothing better than to make America a nation of renters.
Rebar on June 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM
With the always-more-deserving-poor in rentals, the government can impose even more rent controls, to wrest back wealth that the evil property owners stole over the decades from the humble, hardworking, frequently out of jobs, just trying to achieve the American dream masses.
GaltBlvnAtty on June 4, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Amen to that.
Tim Zank on June 4, 2011 at 1:39 PM
So what are people suppose to do with no hope of ever gaining their home values back? Whats the point of holding onto a bad investment?
offroadaz on June 4, 2011 at 1:50 PM
Want to talk about working people? Try finding anyone who works harder or longer than a small business man.
RepublicansThe working men represent the real working man.We can’t count on either party.
6,000 years of recorded human history show that there has always been a Ruling Class and serf. America’s 100 plus years of having a “middle” class has been the exception to the rule….
…Until the Progressives took over both parties in 1989. Now….you’re on your own like our Hawaii poster who butchers wild hogs and pays $99 a year in property taxes (and apparently has internet access).
Don’t look to the parties for hope, they are empty of it.
PappyD61 on June 4, 2011 at 2:01 PM
Class warfare doesn’t get any better than the “evil greedy landlords oppressing the working poor” meme.
Rebar on June 4, 2011 at 2:05 PM
How about a “Reparations Program”? Give out “free” money to those entitled. All that cash has got to fuel the economy, right?
GarandFan on June 4, 2011 at 2:07 PM
They really are comparing apples and oranges. The housing crash of the 1930s was far more horrible because most people had mortgages that were renewable every five years. The 30-year fixed-rate mortgage did not exist until after the Housing Act of 1940 created the FHA. There were truly massive foreclosures because almnost nobody could refinance their loans when they came due. Entire towns became vacant during that period as local factories and businesses and banks closed and nobody could refinance.
rockmom on June 4, 2011 at 2:32 PM
Altoona, PA to get a population surge?
SouthernGent on June 4, 2011 at 2:34 PM
The county just dropped the valuation of my home 13.2%. But I probably couldn’t get that much for it. And my property taxes are still through the roof. After the devaluation, the city of Cincinnati wants to up their part of the property tax to its max. To make up for their deficit spending.
Paul-Cincy on June 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM
This Administration won’t stop its war on the middle class because their goal is to destroy the middle class. And once we’re all destroyed we can move to state housing and Eric Holder’s people can have our homes.
Simple.
Key West Reader on June 4, 2011 at 2:51 PM
So what are people suppose to do with no hope of ever gaining their home values back? Whats the point of holding onto a bad investment?
offroadaz on June 4, 2011 at 1:50 PM
The people are supposed to throw out Obama and his radical left democrat lying cheating congressional supports and reinstall a president and congress that respect the amazing things America can do when true to its Constitutional principles.
GaltBlvnAtty on June 4, 2011 at 3:08 PM
Glad I live in Texas. Our state refused to play the “refinance ’til you drop” game. The rest of the nation laughed at our refinance laws until 2007.
You don’t treat your home like an ATM. You live in your house, not off of it. If you think you have a “bad investment” in your home, think about this: Is it worth your house payment to have a roof over your head? If you buy a car, and drive it for a year, do you really believe it should hold its value? Why should your home? Just because it’s fixed to a foundation on land?
Real Estate increases AND decreases in value. We suffered some loss of value in Texas during the oil bust of ’85. We sucked it up and held on to our property. Even when the economy tanked again during the S&L crisis. Some lost homes, to be sure, but we survived.
Stop whining, America.
john1schn on June 4, 2011 at 3:34 PM
And the banks still have not unloaded their shadow inventory into the market. They will be compelled to do so soon since they cannot keep it off the books forever.
What we have now is worse than the Depression. High unemployment coupled with high food and fuel prices, will drive even more people out of their homes and those who manage to cling to their property will not be able to heat their homes or make discretionary purchases.
As I have been saying for two years, the problem will snowball and now it will accelerate.
dogsoldier on June 4, 2011 at 3:38 PM
Bank of America Gets Pad Locked After Homeowner Forecloses On It
davidk on June 4, 2011 at 3:40 PM
You are correct and they with the help of the unions are succeeding.
dogsoldier on June 4, 2011 at 3:40 PM
Actually, a lot of banks have now written off a lot of mortgages as losses, and yet are still working with the borrowers to keep them in their homes. They know an inhabited home is better than an empty one, for both bank and borrower.
john1schn on June 4, 2011 at 3:46 PM
Greece is the Word!!??!!
http://theeveningchronicle.blogspot.com
LCT688 on June 4, 2011 at 3:47 PM
We had a county assessor trying that out here. Everyone and I mean everyone filed an appeal for reassessment of the taxes. They didn’t have the manpower so had to drop the new higher assessments.
chemman on June 4, 2011 at 4:06 PM
This.
chemman on June 4, 2011 at 4:12 PM