Romney: Sure, I believe in man-made global warming
posted at 6:43 pm on June 3, 2011 by Allahpundit
Worse than Gingrich’s Medicare gaffe, or not as bad?
Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney broke with Republican orthodoxy on Friday by saying he believes that humans are responsible, at least to some extent, for climate change.
“I believe the world is getting warmer, and I believe that humans have contributed to that,” he told a crowd of about 200 at a town hall meeting in Manchester, New Hampshire.
“It’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may be significant contributors.”…
In addressing climate change and energy policy, Romney called on the United States to break its dependence on foreign oil, and expand alternative energies including solar, wind, nuclear and clean coal.
He said the same thing about climate change three years ago, which may have tied his hands in answering today. It’s a variation of his problem with RomneyCare: Either he reverses himself and apologizes for his previous position, which confirms voter suspicions that he’s a soulless opportunist willing to say anything to get elected, or he doubles down on his unpopular earlier position and risks hopelessly alienating the base. As with RomneyCare, he went with option number two. I see his logic, but in this case he’s got some flip-flop cover from Pawlenty, who’s already famously apologized for his previous endorsement of cap-and-trade. If Mitt now said, “My skepticism grew after Climategate” or “In a terrible economy, we need to prioritize growth” (and he probably will end up saying that), all would likely be forgiven. As it is, the I’ll-never-vote-for-this-RINO! vows are already piling up in the comments to our Headline thread on this. I don’t know what he was thinking.
Of course, McCain did okay among Republican voters even though he made no secret of his belief that carbon emissions are linked to global warming and even gave a speech on cap-and-trade after his nomination was secure. And he didn’t have the benefit of facing a Barack Obama who’s now even more widely reviled by conservatives than he was three years ago. Many sins can be forgiven in the name of winning, especially if/when Romney inevitably finesses his position here by endorsing “market solutions” to the problem instead of regulation. And as noted above, some of his competition is exposed on this issue too. Pawlenty, however apologetic he is now, will still be hammered with old soundbites by Romney’s team if he tries to attack on this; so will Palin, who ended up endorsing McCain’s scheme of carbon caps in her famous interview with Katie Couric (“I support all that we can do to reduce emissions and to clean up this planet”) before later slamming cap-and-tax plans in an op-ed in 2009. Going to be a lottttt of tu-quoquing on the trail this fall. Here’s the clip, via Think Progress.
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Even the IPCC acknowledges the Urban Heat Island effect. They claim to have properly compensated for it.
sharrukin on June 3, 2011 at 9:00 PM
The only evidence is that the earth has slightly warmed and man inhabits the earth.
darwin-t on June 3, 2011 at 9:00 PM
I HAVE SEEN PROOF!
In Georgetown, London and several other places as diverse as So Cal and Massachusetts, there is something going on with evaporation or something. And I am a proud reactionary!
Ever since the last election, my mixed drinks have been vanishing quicker all the time. Then I must have a drier body as I need more and more of them! I nearly set a record when we elected The One.
Now before the SOTU, I’ll just dump a bottle of beer and fill it with JACK!!
Help me Mitt! Sarah! Newt?
IlikedAUH2O on June 3, 2011 at 9:02 PM
The Null Hypothesis is that this inter-glacial period in no way varies from prior inter-glacial periods for temperature, temperature trends, temperature variations, oxygen levels, CO2 levels, methane levels or in any other regard. To date there has been zero evidence presented by anyone, in any institution, anywhere on Earth that this inter-glacial period varies in any way, shape or form from prior ones.
That is using the standard model that geologists use, and its a killer. When the AGW people were touring their models early on they came to the geologists to get datasets to test the model against. They were given data before the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum and asked what their model showed. The model got it wrong in amplitude, magnitude and direction. The AGW ‘scientists’ never bothered the geologists again because they are sneaky people with a few billion year’s worth of data to throw at models. They are lucky they didn’t get data from before the Snowball Earth event. Geologists know what rapid climate change looks like. We aren’t having any.
The Null Hypothesis holds.
ajacksonian on June 3, 2011 at 9:02 PM
Thanks…’denialist’ is the tell. I think the only convert you’ll have here is crr6.
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 9:02 PM
And maybe it was due to the same reason Earth was in a warming period, Solar activity, as the article I linked to indicated…
Gohawgs on June 3, 2011 at 9:03 PM
Sounds like frustration to me.
As for John Stossel, what scientific authority does he possess.
But don’t take it from Stossel. I have looked at the references and pictures for each of the monitoring sites. You look at them and then get back to me about which ones are poorly located.
oakland on June 3, 2011 at 9:03 PM
LOL….I swear Allahpundit’s headlines are like an excercise in Pavlovian conditioning to see how many times people will write RINO!
Yeah Romney isn’t actually channeling Al Gore here folks.
Romney sounds more like he’s read Bjorn Lomborg, the very respected analyst/author on this subject. Bjorn in 2010 summorized his position on climate change:
“Global warming is real – it is man-made and it is an important problem. But it is not the end of the world.”
sheryl on June 3, 2011 at 9:04 PM
Oh yeah…you’ve done the hard research, no doubt.
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 9:06 PM
Ok, now the trolls are turning on their spam robots…
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 9:07 PM
He’s certainly not channeling any Reaganesque political instincts, either. He needs the base, and he’s not going to get them by sounding like Dem Lite at every stop.
pseudoforce on June 3, 2011 at 9:08 PM
Holy crap…you really are a spambot!
I knew you guys just barfed up DNC talking points here and never really responded to anything…but this takes the cake.
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 9:10 PM
He can say whatever he wants. He’s not going anywhere.
rrpjr on June 3, 2011 at 9:15 PM
Romney is pandering. Old politics of trying to craft enough splinter factions together to get a ‘majority’.
We’ve had decades of that. It has gotten us government under the control of special interests. That has to go as a concept and the idea of treating us all equally as citizens will replace it as we are dying the death of being ‘regulated’ out of our liberties and freedom.
If this was supposed to be a sneaky pro-Romney post, it is a fail, utter and complete.
ajacksonian on June 3, 2011 at 9:15 PM
http://www.favstocks.com/australian-government-climate-scientist-carbon-warming-too-minor-to-be-worth-worrying-about/3062114/
Does anyone remember this dude? About a month ago, I think this was linked here. Dr. Evans was a AGW believer and supporter, but now believes all is crap as the data do not support the theory. Enjoy!
JAM on June 3, 2011 at 9:19 PM
Ronald Reagan signed in a healthcare federal mandate (not a state one a federal one) in 1986 called The Emergency Medical Treatment Act, but that surely doesn’t make Obama another Ronald Reagan does it.
@ AUINSC – Don’t have a cow, I didn’t see that that the first one posted because a new page started……geez.
Boy you Hot Air purity people are hair-triggered emotionalist.
sheryl on June 3, 2011 at 9:19 PM
It doesn’t make MassCare the EMTA, either. But that’s not the topic of this particular thread.
pseudoforce on June 3, 2011 at 9:22 PM
The internet will catch on fire tonight after the interview Palin just had with Hannity.
heshtesh on June 3, 2011 at 9:22 PM
This is a rational policy response.
I don’t care if there’s global warming or not. We should be pursuing the above policy with the long term goal of telling the Middle Eastern Arab oil states to go F themselves.
rickyricardo on June 3, 2011 at 9:23 PM
Waaaaaaaaaah! Are you being oppressed?
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 9:25 PM
Breaking reliance on foreign oil is a great idea. But we don’t have to sign on to junk science to think so. Do you or do you not support labeling CO2 as a pollutant? This should be asked of every candidate.
alwaysfiredup on June 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM
Do worry Mitt will be agaiunst battling global warming after he is for it. Mitt changes positions more often than most people change underwear.
bw222 on June 3, 2011 at 9:28 PM
Oakland. You rent your mouth for the change Leftists have in their pocket. You are absolutely no scientist, degreed or otherwise. A real scientist goes with the data, not leftist talking points. One ugly data point kills a beautiful theory.
Of course you don’t. That means you can’t think of possible solutions from a given condition. Try and improve, maybe Soros will fund you better.
Also,
UN climate docs predicted that in 2012 40 million flooding refugees will be from ocean rise. 1997. You trust the UN with science? Do Your Own Research (DYOR), champ.
Sigh. Round the bend off target.
DYOR, as others have done.
East Anglica et al. Limp tool.
We need better trolls. Oakland, you fail.
My link to NOAA solar output shows less solar activity. Why no “hockey stick” increase? At best we are in stasis, more likely cooling. Not global warming. So solar output is key. I’ll give you a hint, champ. Look up the Magruder minimum.
And you never talked about all the possible solutions the Left does not want.
I AM DONE WITH YOU.
NaCly dog on June 3, 2011 at 9:30 PM
You’ve got to be kidding…first, this this the arguments the lefties are making to say Reagan would have supported Obamacare…you’re not doing your argument any favors. Is this where you want to go?
http://www.vindy.com/news/2009/sep/16/health-care-for-illegals-reagan-opened-door/
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 9:30 PM
Agreed, RocketmanBob. Study and discussion are all that’s indicated given the current state of observation and understanding about climate phenomena.
The one categorical statement I’m willing to make is that we don’t know enough to start making policy. I’d love to hear a candidate say that, but obviously it isn’t going to be Romney. (And if it were, at some point in the future, it would be yet another instance of Sudden Conservatism on his part.)
J.E. Dyer on June 3, 2011 at 9:30 PM
Except when Palin says it; then it’s “talking points”.
pseudoforce on June 3, 2011 at 9:33 PM
Well it certainly lends to the complexity of this issue and the history of the Republican Party with healthcare.
Instead of this bummer sticker, side of a bus sloganeering, name calling mentality that takes place on this issue and the rabid hatred on this website.
I loved Ronald Reagan and love Mitt Romney. Both men remind me a lot of my father, who was a small business owner, married the love of his life the second time around and is the reason I’m a Republican.
sheryl on June 3, 2011 at 9:33 PM
of course not. However the CO2 nonsense is Van Jones stuff; disguising your ultimate political objectives under the insincere cloak of environmentalism.
rickyricardo on June 3, 2011 at 9:34 PM
JAM on June 3, 2011 at 9:34 PM
Uh huh.
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 9:35 PM
This Mitt guy is a Mormon George H.W.Bush.
NO MORE BUSHES!!!
PappyD61 on June 3, 2011 at 9:38 PM
Message to the RNC!!
No more Progressive Bush Nominees!!!
No more Progressive Bush Nominees!!!
No more Progressive Bush Nominees!!!
No more Progressive Bush Nominees!!!
No more Progressive Bush Nominees!!!
No more Progressive Bush Nominees!!!
got it? or shall I go on?…..
PappyD61 on June 3, 2011 at 9:40 PM
Those jeans are more harmful to western civilization than global warming.
Crikey!
Mr. Wednesday Night on June 3, 2011 at 9:41 PM
Yeah, damn all those h8ers at HA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 9:42 PM
Of course not. I’m completely in favor of Romney’s idea about giving out waivers to all 50 states while the repeal process goes forth. It’s smart. It’s bulletproof from rebuke by Obama and Romney has the gravitas to do it.
And Romney has the creditials to tell Obama he’s wrong because Obama has stated quite clearly that Romney is his hero on this subject.
Everyone else in the GOP field will just be talking theory on this subject not leadership. We will need a leader to take Obama down on this monstrosity, that’s why Romney is the only one who can do it.
The Ronald Reagan federal mandate is a fact that we have to debate because soaring platitudes about free markets, liberty, etc sound mighty empty when facts are thrown in about a hero from our party.
That’s why I want Mitt to debate Obama on this subject because no one has more facts about this subject. Sloganeering on the side of bus isn’t going to win back the White House in 2012.
sheryl on June 3, 2011 at 9:43 PM
Only a few will defend this pitiful man…once he had potential of being a leader, a great leader, and now he has just thrown it all away…he has no idea, none of what drives real American people, and it isn’t voodoo science.
Few diehards will support him, you can always find a few fringe following nutty people, and Mitt is turning into just another nutty political hack…so sad, so desperate, he doesn’t even know who he needs to reach, doesn’t know what policies he should support.
Well Mitt, try this, follow your heart, believe what you want, and tell us, and let the chips fall where they may…but don’t continue to embarrass yourself pandering to people you have no idea what they want, or need.
It was bad enough with Romneycare, but you followed it up with support of Ethanol, and now this…tsk, tsk, what a shame, just another desperate political hack searching for that magic solution, that magic policy, the one magic moment where they embrace you…wake up, it ain’t happening.
right2bright on June 3, 2011 at 9:43 PM
Message to the RNC!!
No more Progressive Bush Nominees!!!
No more Progressive Bush Nominees!!!
Oh yeah, it’s been awhile since I’ve been on Hot Air, I forgot about the tantrums.
sheryl on June 3, 2011 at 9:44 PM
I have a dream…A dream that one day a Republican will be nominated as the Republican candidate for president…This is my hope, however unrealistic and crazy it may be….
Django on June 3, 2011 at 9:44 PM
Mitt Romney on Ronald Reagan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pVqZzHm3Z4
Ronald Reagan and Mitt Romney couldn’t be farther apart. Reagan had convictions and principles. Romney has neither. Reagan told people what he thought they needed to hear. Romney tells people what he thinks they want to hear on any given day. Reagan loathed people like Romney.
bw222 on June 3, 2011 at 9:45 PM
Hey there, Little Miss Tiger Beat. Watch out, I heard petunia wants to duel in the parking lot over Mittens.
katy the mean old lady on June 3, 2011 at 9:46 PM
Still at it? You got routed from a previous thread for this pathetic analogy. Go ahead — explain how how this Act of Congress had anything to do with a “healthcare mandate” as currently being understood and discussed?
rrpjr on June 3, 2011 at 9:47 PM
Yeah, you’re the grown up here! You bunch of HAters!
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 9:48 PM
The most disturbing thing about people like Romney is that their statements prove that they can be “had” so easily…without any real evidence…or with falsified evidence.
Do you really want someone this gullible to be making life or death decisions for the USA????
landlines on June 3, 2011 at 9:49 PM
You seem to not understand how that mandate came about…are you sure you want to continue hanging your hat on the argument of “Reagan did it, so Mitt can do it”?
Do you know the history of Reagan’s mandate? I don’t think you do. But if you did, you would probably just ignore it, like you do with most facts…remember this, Mitt stated emphatically that he is no Reagan Republican, Mitt ran from the leader of the party at that time, and did so because he was challenged by Ted Kennedy…he rolled over for Ted, that ain’t no leader, that is a panderer at best.
And please, do a little more research on Reagan’s medical act, it is nothing like, nor was the reason the same as Romney and Obama’s acts…it’s embarrassing to even debate this with you, you are so ignorant of why that bill was passed.
right2bright on June 3, 2011 at 9:50 PM
Of course you have no facts to prove that. Ronald Reagan had a great relationship with Tip O’Neill one of his biggest political advisories. Mitt Romney liked Ted Kennedy one of his political rivals.
This one fact doesn’t seem to lend to your assurtion that they “couldn’t be farther apart”.
As Thomas Sowell says, some things are believed because they are demonstratably true and somethings are believed because you want them to be true.
bw222 you want Mitt Romney to nothing like Ronald Reagan even though they share very similar political deeds.
Why you don’t want them to be alike is for you and your analyst to decide why. My guess is that you don’t know Ronald Reagan or Mitt Romney, hence the bad statement.
sheryl on June 3, 2011 at 9:53 PM
BTW, I’m pretty sure it hasn’t dawned on you yet…but you’re the only one who’s been name calling around here.
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 9:54 PM
Aha! I knew it. And I thought it was just me.
katy the mean old lady on June 3, 2011 at 9:57 PM
Just more proof that Romney is an idiot.
woodNfish on June 3, 2011 at 9:58 PM
Romney is not a leader and never will be. He is a manager and did a great job managing Bain Capital and other ventures.
But, getting out of our economic mess is far different than managing a hedge fund – buying businesses, bleeding them dry and placing them in bankruptcy.
Getting out of our economic mess requires courage because supporting every government program is a constituency. It may be business, unions, government workers, special and foreign interests.
It takes a man or woman with courage to stand up and say “Enough.” Mitt Romney and courage are mutually exclusive terms.
bw222 on June 3, 2011 at 9:58 PM
No, he’s not an idiot. He just has some of the worst advisors going.
katy the mean old lady on June 3, 2011 at 10:00 PM
Who’s fault is that?
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 10:07 PM
One year and counting? My post was 1 hour ago. You’re no better reading a watch than a thermometer.
If you wanted to track it down you could starting with Climategate itself which I don’t need to link to.
But just to play your game I’ll toss in a couple old bookmarks from when I spent the hours necessary to actually investigate this stuff.
Let’s start with Kiwigate.
At the end of the article there were links to an FTP site with data records and such backing up the story. Unfortunately they’ve passed on. You should have read it in ’09.
Kiwigate, of course, was part of the Aussie phony temperature scandal. The place to start would be WUWT and the famous Darwin Zero. Besides the article there’s a great deal of info shared in the Comments give and take including links to NOAA and NASA charting etc.
Have fun and keep an open mind.
rcl on June 3, 2011 at 10:10 PM
It’s not hard to understand and I never said that 1986 federal mandate was like Obamacare or MassCare.
The argument the Tea Party/Ayn Rand/Purity Police people are making that mandates are evil and that the government shouldn’t have healthcare mandates to deal with the uninsured.
Well we already have that mandate.
My contention, as is Romney and alot of others is that Obamacare isn’t bad because of the mandate, it’s bad because it wants to take over all of healthcare and is a path to single payer.
Thats where the argument needs to be debated but for some dumb reason people have used rabid attacks of MassCare’s mandates which is in line with the 10th amendment and the majority of MA citizens like it!
Why the Tea Party/Ayn Rand/Purity Police have decided to cram down their dislike of Obamacare and are projecting it onto the folks in MA is beyond me. It’s a loser strategy.
sheryl on June 3, 2011 at 10:11 PM
Good.
Good-bye.
He is too much a politician, with politician instincts.
Good riddance. I hope.
G. Charles on June 3, 2011 at 10:12 PM
Willard, Willard, Willard…like I said before: BUY A GOLD PLATED TOILET AND JUST FLUSH HUNDREDS DOWN IT TIL YOU REACH 100 MILLION IF YOU’RE THIS SET ON BLOWING YET ANOTHER HUNDRED MIL!
It’s faster, lets the serious candidates get some face time and when you’re done, at least you’ll still have the gold plated toilet!
SuperCool on June 3, 2011 at 10:13 PM
No, you just strongly implied it and hoped nobody would fact-check your a$$.
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM
Bullseye!
rcl on June 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM
landlines on June 3, 2011 at 9:49 PM
Theres a theory behind that. That technology, knowledge and information grows and links at a rate that is far faster than any one person can learn. Soon people can no longer make rational decisions based on critical thinking and facts, they simply fall back to ‘gut instinct’. Unfortunately in highly technical, and dangerous fields – there is often a clear, simple and straightforward WRONG answer.
James Burke explored this in his show Connections.
Romney is wrong and his ignorance shows. A person at his level should have enough technical advisors to steer him thru this minefield.
The SUN is the one and only cause of global warming.
As someone once said, we have to pretty damn arrogant to think that WE can alter our environment.
orbitalair on June 3, 2011 at 10:16 PM
I’ll take a hat rack over Obama.
Barry the Boy King and his crooked cronies must be driven from power.
If it takes a hat rack as the crowbar, so be it.
profitsbeard on June 3, 2011 at 10:16 PM
Romney is an exceptional leader in many arenas business, government and volunteerism.
He got MA out of it’s fiscal crisis and left the state with a 2.3 billion rain day fund.
He rescued the Olympics from corruption and financial ruin.
He went back to Bain and Company as an interim CEO to rescue the firm from financial failure.
And he did all that for free. Your statement is devoid of facts.
sheryl on June 3, 2011 at 10:24 PM
Oakland, F-U.
According to the NOAA, July 4th 2010, at 9:59 AM, Egg Harbor hit 600 degrees Fahrenheit, and they haven’t backed off that statement and are still using it in their data.
F-U you stupid, idiotic moron.
MadDogF on June 3, 2011 at 10:26 PM
Sheryl do you bother to read the news regarding the lawsuits against Obamacare by the, I think, 26 states of our Republic? Oddly enough the Sheryl the whole God damned argument is about THE MANDATES!!!
That you don’t see the problem simply proves you will be a good prole in the coming fascist order. No American should sit still for some son of a bitch in any capital, state or federal, telling him or her what to eat, drink, buy or sell. That you True Blue fools in Massachusetts consider giving away your liberty to be reasonable doesn’t make it so. Like Scott Brown you’re no conservative.
rcl on June 3, 2011 at 10:26 PM
Mitt went a little too far. He’s obviously aware he’s on thin ice because of all the hmmm and ahs.
the correct answer is that temperatures have risen mildly for a century…and co2 has risen during that same time, helped along by our emissions. But, first, there’s a lot more serious issues to deal with right now…and we should focus on energy technology that will help everyone in 30 to 50 years. We are a visionary country. We should not waste our money on windmills.
r keller on June 3, 2011 at 10:28 PM
Wipe your chin and change your panties.
katy the mean old lady on June 3, 2011 at 10:29 PM
o, you just strongly implied it and hoped nobody would fact-check your a$$.
AUINSC on June 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM
sheryl on June 3, 2011 at 10:30 PM
Romney = McCain 2. No thanks… next!
maineconservative on June 3, 2011 at 10:34 PM
I always know when to leave Hot Air….when the scum comes out.
You are old and mean and I would add putrid….I’m sure Sarah is real proud to have crap people like you on her side.
sheryl on June 3, 2011 at 10:35 PM
here’s one of my favorite temperature recording stations. U of AZ
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/07/25/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-24/
nice an toasty warm during summer days there
r keller on June 3, 2011 at 10:35 PM
And to think once upon a time – 3 months ago – I actually thought of voting for this tool in the primary. Unreal.
angryed on June 3, 2011 at 10:48 PM
Awww. You have no idea who my pick is, but yet you classify me.
Thanks for the “old and mean”. “Putrid” is those panties I’m telling you to ditch.
katy the mean old lady on June 3, 2011 at 10:49 PM
I don’t care.
Obama, Romney is awesome.(by the way, is there a difference any more)
mechkiller_k on June 3, 2011 at 10:49 PM
I think that Gov. Romney has done good in the past, and can still be an asset. But at a time when we need pushback on Washington to survive as a nation, Romney has been silent. Sarah Palin has been in the fight every day. She has courage, something our next president needs in abundance. Romney, not so much.
NaCly dog on June 3, 2011 at 10:50 PM
McCain did okay with the postion but that was before Climategate, that revealed the orginal raw temperature data was ALTERED to make it appear it was colder in the past.
Once they did that, they could produce charts showing an increase of temperature of teh 2oth century.
The fact is, we are not any hotter now than we were in the first half of the 20th century.
The climate has always changed , never stayed the same and that has nothing to do with man
LeeSeneca on June 3, 2011 at 10:50 PM
Bad, bad political move, by Mr. Romney. Worse, much worse than his Romneycare speech, in fact.
I have been involved in transportation planning, transportation economics, and mathematical modeling for 25 years. I often attend conferences where the Smart Growth/Sustainability/Alt Transportation types come and push their talking points to try to sell their beliefs to policy makers and technical types.
Three or four years ago the emphasis was on AGW. Essentially: “enact our policies or you’re all going to melt, along with the ice caps”.
They have all but dropped this selling point in the last year or two, now the emphasis is on energy independence, health benefits, cost/benefit (cherry-picked economic and travel stats, etc). AGW barely merits a mention, and if it is mentioned, it is now talked about as a possibility, not a certainty.
It wasn’t selling. Recent polls…what….about 35% or so of the public are believers?
He’s not appealing to moderates or indies with this talking point. The appeal is to the left. Need I mention that the left is not a big voting block in Republican primaries? I can’t imagine what he was thinking.
Now Republican voters are going to expect him to sign on to a carbon-trading scheme if he is elected.
He is done. Done. Done. Done.
Casey Stengel: “Can’t anybody here play this game?”
Dreadnought on June 3, 2011 at 10:58 PM
Well, let’s see…they are both white, male, and American. That’s about all I can come up with.
Jaibones on June 3, 2011 at 11:08 PM
Not sure that’s true. But it is certainly dismaying to see how effortlessly Romney says idiotic things. The more I watch Republicans fu*k up everything the moment the cameras are rolling, the more astonished I am that the O’Bonehead campaign was able to limit video of their Marxist-Nitwit candidate as well as they did.
That, my friends, is the value of complete control over the media.
Jaibones on June 3, 2011 at 11:13 PM
No he didn’t, but there was one heck of alot going on at the time.
whbates on June 3, 2011 at 11:13 PM
Do these past quotes and positions by all of your candidates ever make you people pause and think maybe there’s some truth to things you refuse to believe? Like, maybe we are contributing to climate change, and government has a role to play in creating disincentives to using dirty energy? Or maybe people actually have a responsibility to purchase health insurance to lower overall costs, and government needs to force people to do so for the good of society? Or will you continue to stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and scream for lower taxes and less regulation while the nation and the planet goes to shit?
BTW, I think it’s awesome how Romney is demonstrating in clear terms just how reasonable a president Obama is. He’s nowhere near radical. Many of his policies, including healthcare, immigration, and climate change are similar to that of a moderate republican, if that still existed. Thanks to you guys they’ve been destroyed, which is why you’ll nominate Palin and consequently re-elect Obama.
underceij on June 3, 2011 at 11:18 PM
Romulonimbus crowds his way onto the couch with Blingrich and Psychosi. The doctor is out and the picture ain’t pretty.
Long term solar cycles suggest cooling. The Pacific Ocean is in its 30 year cool phase (pacific decadal oscillation). Fuel prices are up and temperature is down.
The ruling class is six feet under and can’t stop digging.
Feedie on June 3, 2011 at 11:19 PM
We’re conservatives. Doesn’t that go without saying? We knowingly choose evil because its in out nature to do so. We really cannot be any other way. Don’t judge us!
Nope. That garbage makes absolutely no logical sense. It’s mercy, compassion, and forgiveness we lack. Not rationality.
sharrukin on June 3, 2011 at 11:30 PM
Only imbeciles and liberal – but there I go repeating myself – still believe in global warming.
angryed on June 3, 2011 at 11:33 PM
Nowhere near radical? LOL.
No you’re right calling for 62% tax rates is perfectly in the mainstream and a position lots and lots of Republicans support.
Man where are they getting this latest batch of trolls from? Each one is more pathetic than the last one. Come on Mr. Soros, surely you can do better than this.
angryed on June 3, 2011 at 11:35 PM
underceij on June 3, 2011 at 11:18 PM
Quit smoking the Hopium and wake up to the Marxism, Troll.
kingsjester on June 3, 2011 at 11:41 PM
Oh, yeah. I want to send this guy some money tonight. Will the real candidate please step forward. NOW.
flyoverland on June 3, 2011 at 11:54 PM
Romneycare needs to either change his party identification to democrat, or shut his stupid mouth, and go away.
Slowburn on June 3, 2011 at 11:58 PM
Oh, you mean $10 a gallon gas, unless you can refer me to a car that runs on unicorn farts and frog burps. And would you like maybe a 30% unemployment rate to go along with it?
You have about as much of an idea as to what drives health care costs as Obama does.
I love that reasonable 2-year-long unemployment rate of (nominally) 9%, don’t you? That’s so….reasonable. And pissing away a trillion in “stimulus” — per year, now — to keep his PSU buddies funneling money to his party. That’s so reasonable, and it’s giving the economy just the jump start it needs! Yeah! Talk about “going to shit”.
pseudoforce on June 4, 2011 at 12:13 AM
The correct climate answer is “I don’t know but in 50 years, we may be able to see if there is a real problem and maybe we will have technology that can actually do something significant about it. Right now, we can’t be sure that anything we do will be beneficial at all but we do know that what is being proposed is very expensive, ineffecient, uncompetitive and will make people poorer. Thus, I will wisely and corageously let the free market decide what our best energy sources are and will get any regulatory roadblocks out of the way of producing those sources domestically.
KW64 on June 4, 2011 at 12:24 AM
Believe me, Obama can’t wait. LOL
pseudoforce on June 4, 2011 at 12:39 AM
What exactly makes me pathetic? I thought my comment made a reasonable amount of sense. But believe you me, I’d love to claim to be here as a representative of Soros, especially if that meant I was on his payroll. But alas, I’m not. I just happen to use common sense and base my opinions on facts and evidence.
“Hopium” and “Marxism”? What are these terms you speak of? I’ve never heard of them. You are clearly full of original thoughts and intelligence. Please continue to provide your sage advice. It’s desperately needed.
You seem to have put some thought into your response, so I’ll respond in kind. $10/gal gas sounds terrible (as does $3 and $4), but I do think it’s necessary for our long term future to divest from oil, as the price will only continue to rise and hurt us more. 30,000 new drivers per day out of India and China. The laws of supply and demand dictate that as long as we’re on oil, we’re screwed. Gov’t taking steps to move us away from oil isn’t a bad thing. The interim will hurt, but the pain is necessary. There are various ways to do it, but the discussion should be had, and continuing to argue about whether we should even have the discussion is a waste of time. Let’s try to figure it out without the demagoguing. You guys can start by allowing your presidential candidates to broach the issue without punishing them whenever they speak the truth.
Health care costs: do you not agree that healthy uninsured people walking into the emergency room when something happens to them increases all of our premiums? One way to fix that is mandates. If you have another idea, I’d be glad to hear it.
As far as unemployment goes, I’m curious to know what you think Obama should’ve done differently to have a lower ur today. By most estimates, (and this is one those things you guys tend to stick your fingers in your ears when you hear) the stimulus added jobs, mitigated the effect of the recession, which ended in 2009. We’ve been adding jobs (mostly in the private sector, as the public sector has been cutting back, something you guys should be celebrating?), since then. Yeah I don’t think the country’s going to shit. Because of Obama, it’s headed in the other direction, but very slowly. Again, if you have any suggestions to help him out, shoot!
underceij on June 4, 2011 at 12:41 AM
Buh bye, Mitty. Your chances were slim to begin with, now they’re non-existent.
NEXT!
xblade on June 4, 2011 at 12:41 AM
The law of reality states that until a better form of energy comes along, we’re going to have to use petroleum.
If government is in charge of it, we’ll be using Star Trek teleporters while they’re still spending $800 billion to produce an electric car.
“The planet is going to shit…” “Palin…” “Obama is reasonable…” Come on.
At what average rate do you think the government reimburses doctors and hospitals for care given to government aid recipients?
Cut taxes and get the hell out of the way. Simple.
“By most estimates”. Point how many specific jobs were created by the stimulus. “Mitigated the effects of the recession” is a form of “it would’ve been even worse!!!” which is unprovable. Look up “crowding out”. Look up “printing money” and “inflation”.
Stop with the insane spending. Cut taxes. Get rid of the ObamaCare mess that’s hanging over the heads of businesses like the sword of Damocles, leaving them to wonder if they can afford to hire anyone. There’s a good start. Obama’s hindered the economy, not helped it.
pseudoforce on June 4, 2011 at 12:57 AM
Mitt is toast:
1. Mitt believes in man-made global warming, a hoax that thousands of scientists are skeptical about and we have proof that global warming scientists were manipulating the data on detailed in “ClimateGate”. AGW, or anthropogenic global warming, warming caused by man, has been debunked by the greatest scientists of the day. It’s a way to tax our oil and gas companies out of existence and force huge price increases on most American families for their energy, and for what!?
2. Mitt supports farm subsidies, or taxpayers giving money to farmer NOT TO PLANT OR PRODUCE. Government tinkering with the marketplace has got us into the fix we’re in now, rather than letting the free market work properly.
3. Mitt imposed socialized medicine on his state of Massachusetts which by all measured variable is a dismal failure. The problem, too, is that he won’t admit it’s a failure in the face of the facts that it is. This is the definition of an IDEALOGUE. Pushing an agenda in spite of the facts.
ROMNEY=MCCAIN=ROMNEY=MCCAIN=ROMNEY=MCCAIN=ROMNEY=MCCAIN
Mark7788 on June 4, 2011 at 1:02 AM
ROMNEY IS ANOTHER MCCAIN!
In 2012 we can’t afford to have a candidate on the Republican side whom we have to beg to be more conservative.
ROMNEY IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!
ROMNEY=RINO=ROMNEY=MCCAIN=RINO=ROMNEY
Mark7788 on June 4, 2011 at 1:05 AM
The difference between Teddy Kennedy, Tip O’Neill and Mitt Romney is that Kennedy and O’Neill actually had things they believed in. Their values may have been screwed up but at least they believed in them. Mitt Romney has no core beliefs. He is nothing but an opportunist.
Mitt has tried running to the left of Ted Kennedy and to the right of John McCain and now he thinks the votes are in the mushy middle. He has been pro-choice and pro-life, anti-second amendment and pro-second amendment, pro gay-marriage and anti-gay marriage.
In the 2008 Michigan primary he supported government assistance for the “Detroit Three.” A year later he was opposed to it.
I am far older than you and have lived in Michigan most of my life. As a College Republican I did everything in my power to fight George Romney and “Lemonade Lenore” and voted third party after they were nominated. I supported Reagan in 1976 … probably long before you were born. The thing I will give Romney’s parents – although I totally detested both of them – is that they may have been RINOs to the Max (and they worked as hard against Reagan as I worked against them) is that they stood for something. Mitt stands for nothing.
bw222 on June 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM
Don’t worry. Mitt only supports ethenol/farm subsidies in ag states like Iowa, not in New Jersey or Massachusetts.
bw222 on June 4, 2011 at 1:14 AM
Yeah, he’ll be against ethanol subsidies the minute he sets foot in South Carolina. Just like he’ll trim and taper off this AGW stuff if/when he ventures into the midwest and south. Amazing Plastic Man.
pseudoforce on June 4, 2011 at 1:16 AM
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