Final bill for auto bailout: $14 billion?
posted at 9:24 am on June 2, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
Taxpayers will lose $14 billion on the overall cost of the bailout for American automakers, the White House announced yesterday in a new report. They gave it the best possible spin, however, titling the report “The Resurgence of the American Automotive Industry,” and arguing that the bailouts rescued automakers and thousands of jobs:
The report said that of the $80 billion in bailout money supplied to the auto industry, less than 20%, or $16 billion, ultimately may be lost. That’s down from the 60% loss projected two years ago, the report said. The White House’s top auto and manufacturing adviser, Ron Bloom, later specified the loss at closer to $14 billion.
While “there is no joy” in acknowledging that loss, the bailout succeeded in saving jobs and preventing a broader industry collapse, Mr. Bloom said.
“So while we are obviously extremely conscious of our obligation to get every penny we can for the taxpayer, we’re also not going to apologize for the fact that there are literally hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Americans who are working today” because of the bailouts, he said.
The U.S. could lose more than $10 billion in General Motors Co. alone if the government sold its remaining shares of the auto maker at current share prices.
A “broader industry collapse”? Broader than the failure of GM and Chrysler? The Japanese, Korean, and German automakers didn’t need American tax dollars to rescue them from their own inability to properly manage their businesses. For that matter, neither did Ford. While the other members of the Big Three scooped up taxpayer funds, Ford decided to act independently — and has caught up to GM’s sales for the first time in 80 years. The only failures would have been at GM and Chrysler, and the failure belonged to them alone.
Furthermore, history doesn’t show that these bailouts solve the problem. Thirty years ago, American taxpayers bailed out Chrysler by guaranteeing loans to prop up the automaker, worth $1.5 billion. While Chrysler appeared to have turned a corner then, it didn’t take long for it to make more bad business decisions and start losing money — leading up to another bailout, coupled with a politically-engineered bankruptcy and a sale that ended its status as an American automaker anyway. In fact, the federal government has had to give Fiat billions of dollars in loans to buy Chrysler.
Without a bailout, the American demand for vehicles would still exist. Had the companies suffered the consequences of their poor decision-making, the assets of GM and Chrysler would have been utilized by new owners (as happened with Chrysler even with the bailout), but used by stakeholders with better business sense. That is what happens in competitive markets, especially with established and high-volume demand. Instead, the bailouts allowed the government to not only pick winners (the unions, especially in the bankruptcies), but also keep favored executives in positions despite the failure of the businesses. Those assets may not have remained in Detroit, but the demand for American-made cars would have prompted other entrepreneurs to get their hands on GM and Chrysler assets to produce them.
Of course, the assembly lines keep churning, and people are still working. Is that worth $14 billion of public money? Take the poll:









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There should have been a h*ll no category.
chemman on June 2, 2011 at 9:28 AM
Frankly, I think $14 billion is still lowballing it…
teke184 on June 2, 2011 at 9:29 AM
Did they bring in the disgraced accountants from Andersen to come up with these numbers? I bet the consulted the former CEO’s of Enron and MCI as well.
I agree with teke184, seems like 14 billion is lowballing.
TQM38a on June 2, 2011 at 9:33 AM
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Little Piper caught giving a hip check to an annoying news reporter.
Nearly Nobody on June 2, 2011 at 9:36 AM
I’d have to dig into the number supplied by the Feds, but most of the auto bailout money so far that’s been “repaid” has been done as a shell game and all stock sold by the government so far was done at a lower price than originally projected.
That’s not even going into the economic damaged caused by other aspects of the bailout, such as the Obama Administration firing GM’s CEO and then telling the company which dealerships to shut down, which had an adverse affect on many areas and people.
teke184 on June 2, 2011 at 9:38 AM
Ford did get some hefty handouts, although they weren’t the same kind of bailouts that GM and Chrysler got. Credits for developing “green” cars, for example.
MJBrutus on June 2, 2011 at 9:40 AM
You damn well know it’s way more than 14 billion.
wheelgun on June 2, 2011 at 9:41 AM
Ed, I find it odd that for this specific story/headline you chose to usde a photo that shows a product of the only American auto company did NOT take the bailout. Oversight?
MikeA on June 2, 2011 at 9:43 AM
These numbers don’t include the money stolen from the bondholders by the regime while the supreme court looked the other way.
Vashta.Nerada on June 2, 2011 at 9:44 AM
Is it fair to say that the jobs lost at Chrysler & GM (directly) would have been about a month or two of the current monthly losses? I have no idea how many suppliers would have had lay offs.
SnowSun on June 2, 2011 at 9:44 AM
This is now the second time this has happened (that I know of). Stop trying to hijack threads!
This isn’t a SP thread fer rice sakes!
Keep it on topic!
I hate being this way, but this is getting ridiculous.
catmman on June 2, 2011 at 9:44 AM
The entire bumbling Obama admin has mastered “lesser of evils” to a T.
Everything is about “how bad it really could have been”. Jobs, GDP, bailouts, etc, etc. Imagine this occurred in everyday life.
Dr “well I did screw up the lab results, but – you dont have full blown cancer… yet – thats good”
Landscaper “Well, most of the yard is done, it could still all be 1 foot high grass”
Car dealer “Sure it only has 2 wheels, but hey – far better and less expensive than it having no wheels”
The mark of a true novice, with zero capability to effectively lead.
Odie1941 on June 2, 2011 at 9:47 AM
It’s well beyond the second time for this kind of stuff.
Nearly Nobody habitually shows up to throw a link in to their crappy site that no one wants to go to.
teke184 on June 2, 2011 at 9:48 AM
Let’s have some clarity here. The feds propped up the companies, re-funded their pensions, and bankrupted many bondholders as a way to reward their constituencies, and punish those who aren’t counted in that number.
Vashta.Nerada on June 2, 2011 at 9:48 AM
The site has a ‘Tip’ e-mail. Send your stuff there and keep it off the threads!
catmman on June 2, 2011 at 9:49 AM
If the bailout was so successful, and the administration characterizes it as an “investment”, why do we have to take a loss? If the companies are all hunky-dory, then why can’t they continue paying us back? And weren’t the loans they used to pay us back just paying us back with our own money?
cartooner on June 2, 2011 at 9:52 AM
Why you gotta use a beat up Ford? They didn’t take a bailout…
Theworldisnotenough on June 2, 2011 at 9:52 AM
Oprah could have given away 100,000 cars with that money!
Shy Guy on June 2, 2011 at 9:56 AM
Fixed your quote there, Mr. Bloom.
search4truth on June 2, 2011 at 9:56 AM
Do our free enterprise principles have a price tag?
John Deaux on June 2, 2011 at 9:57 AM
What about all the dealerships that were told to close?
Family businesses; salesmen and women, mechanics, and porters; grocery stores, gas stations, other retail outlets; all took a hit thanks to MackDaddy’s march to marxism.
Disgusting and immoral.
davidk on June 2, 2011 at 10:01 AM
Bush thought so, he gave up his free market principles to bailout the banks.
cartooner on June 2, 2011 at 10:01 AM
Why do all the articles on the cost of the Government Motors bailout conveniently leave out the special IRS subsidy granted to GM? That subsidy is worth $16B that we don’t have.
It’s an outrageous example of how corrupt the relationship between Government Motors and little Bammie’s administration has become. Their friends in the old media are dutifully ignoring it.
The Lawlessness of the GM NOL Ruling
slickwillie2001 on June 2, 2011 at 10:01 AM
They are still not including the government takeover of GMAC in these numbers. GMAC lost money for 2 years after the government took it over, and has only this year gone into the black. And it is selling all of its mortgages to Fannie Mae, which means to the federal government, so even that small “profit” is courtesy of the taxpayer.
rockmom on June 2, 2011 at 10:02 AM
Must you people try to turn every thread into a Palin thread? GO AWAY.
KeepOhioRed on June 2, 2011 at 10:05 AM
Three dealerships on a stretch of road I travel pretty regularly closed.
Buildings are still boarded up.
catmman on June 2, 2011 at 10:05 AM
Yeah, so much for the
Govttaxpayers making a killing on the stock sales – the fantasy $53/share vs the reality-based $35AH_C on June 2, 2011 at 10:05 AM
This Chapter hasn’t been completely written yet. I’d bet money in two years time, GM and Chrysler will be back wanting on the gov’t teat. If/when they go under, the US taxpayers will have lost 80 Billion on that “investment” but Obama and his union minions will have made millions.
TulsAmerican on June 2, 2011 at 10:06 AM
They will need another bailout right before the election along with the postal service.Guess who those 2 groups mostly vote for.As for me you couldn’t give me a Chevy.In a 20 year period I tried GM,Ford and Dodge trucks.I didn’t keep any over 1 year.Name it and I had trouble with it on all 3.
docflash on June 2, 2011 at 10:09 AM
Guess who holds the pursestrings this time around? HINT – Not Barry.
The House will tell GM and Chrysler exactly what to go do with each other, especially since Chrysler isn’t even a US company anymore thanks to Fiat buying them.
teke184 on June 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM
I’m all up for banning posters for derailing threads to that one particular contentious subject. Too many interesting and valuable threads are being ruined.
slickwillie2001 on June 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM
What’s this word “final” white man?
Caper29 on June 2, 2011 at 10:16 AM
I for one will not buy a car from Chrysler or Government Motors again. I used to think we should buy American. Now maybe we should look for the car company with the smallest union connections.
Christian Conservative on June 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM
NN isn’t limiting their spamming to the “P” subject.
They’re just putting links in for their site with vague claims of stories about whatever the topics of the day are, which is never related to the thread they’re posted in.
Frankly, I think they should be gone because they’re a spammer, as I don’t think I’ve *EVER* seen them post something that wasn’t a crappy link.
teke184 on June 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM
15 billion. OK, say we saved 10,000 jobs (10^4). Using 1.5 x 10^10 dollars. That’s still 1.5 x 10^6 dollars (or $1.5 million) per worker. I know it’s not as simple as that (pensions, factories, design and intellectual property, expertise, etc) — but if you try to claim “hundreds and thousands of jobs” as a justification, you’re an idiot.
Say it’s “hundreds OF thousands”. 100,000 workers saved, for example. OK, well — we’re down to $150,000 per worker. Yeesh! That’s still quite a bit per manual labor job.
The problem here is that people can’t use the (very simple) concept of scientific notation. It makes comparing thousands and billion simple. People can’t tell between a million and a billion because for this reason.
Prufrock on June 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM
“because for this reason”. Sure wish I could edit.
Prufrock on June 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM
That poor, sad F-150. Makes me want to cry, especially when I think how they murdered the engines in all of them, with sodium silicate and water.
Ward Cleaver on June 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM
Excuse me but FORD is doing just fine thank you!
sonnyspats1 on June 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM
It isn’t 14 billion. It’s more like 60 billion. These numbers are a lie and anyone who believes them is only fooling himself. What about the 45 billion GM alone was allowed to write-off?
This article explains it a lot better than I can.
mchristian on June 2, 2011 at 10:35 AM
Check. Toyota, Nissan, Kia, and anything else made in America free of the clutches of the greedy UAW goons should be first choice. If you can’t find what you want there, go ahead and buy foreign.
slickwillie2001 on June 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM
Not only it wasn’t worth fifteen billion, it wasn’t worth one cent. The country would have been better off if those companies went through a normal and legal bankruptcy. I would have paid money to have that happen.
P. S. I am not a former GM bond holder who had his assets stolen.
burt on June 2, 2011 at 10:43 AM
14 billion plus how much was stolen from legal secured bond holders.
And, for craps and giggles, what is the price of all the lost economic activity, now that the rule of law in the United States of America, is no better than a 3rd world craphole. Who in the hell would be dumb enough to invest in America, if some piece of Chicago garbage can come along, and change long established bankruptcy laws, on a whim?
MNHawk on June 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM
They took the environmental credits, but basically Ford hocked everything to get into a strong cash position to ride out what they saw as the coming economic downturn, and have been at least partially rewarded by the boost in sales to the point where they’ve matched GM’s totals for the first time since the 1920s.
They weren’t fully rewarded, because under a fair market situation, GM and Chrysler would have paid for failing to act via bankruptcy, takeover and/or reorganization, instead of getting access to the same sort of cash Ford did via the Obama Administration. That wouldn’t meant that GM would have completely gone away (Chrysler, outside of their Jeep division, maybe), but the fact that the feds allowed both companies to get away with only minimal reorganizing also limits Ford’s ability to continue to restructure, since they’re locked into the same UAW deals as the other two, while their competitors are not.
jon1979 on June 2, 2011 at 11:22 AM
Where does it say that the US Government can take MY money and give it to a commercial enterprise? I don’t care if it was $14, $14,000, or $14 billion. It was MY money.
katablog.com on June 2, 2011 at 11:28 AM
The used-car market around here is real tight, and prices are high.
Few can afford a new car, and the ones who can, are wisely deciding to shop used instead of losing thousands of dollars the second they drive the new one off the lot.
As those with any sense knew, Cash for Clunkers has rebounded to hurt the little guy right in the wallet.
I don’t know if anyone else is seeing this, but I’m starting to see quite a few ’80s Chryslers, etc., in pretty good shape, hitting the road. you do NOT see those around here. I’m thinking these are Grandma’s cars being pulled out of garages for young kids who can’t afford a car.
Sort of like in a recession you see some old coins and bills re-enter circulation after being pulled out of a hidey-hole….
cane_loader on June 2, 2011 at 11:30 AM
Ed, why do you often end true statements in your headlines with question marks?
When I post this in Facebook, folks will assume it’s some guy’s right-wing opinion & not bother reading it.
itsnotaboutme on June 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM
Because it’s a lie. It is not a 14 billion dollar bailout loss. It is a 60 billion dollar bailout loss.
mchristian on June 2, 2011 at 11:37 AM
True, but the $80 billion for Chrysler and GM were with no strings attached (save for keeping democrat voters …. i, mean, unions employed). The “green” subsidies are industry wide no matter what company or its origin. They are bad as well and must be eliminated too.
But, in regards to the $14 billion, that is a rosy figure dependent on selling the stock at a great rate. How much did the stock market fell yesterday? 200 points?
$14 billion is a “best case” scenario for a return that, right now, should be looked at in the worst case scenario.
ptcamn on June 2, 2011 at 11:44 AM
By the way folks, you can’t look at the current stock price of Government Motors and multiply that by the federal government’s share of the corporation, because the share price is being propped up by government ownership. The market knows that GM is being favored by little Bammie and his administration and especially the IRS ruling. Perversely, that corrupt relationship adds value to the stock.
If the government starts to dump GM stock, the price falls precipitously.
slickwillie2001 on June 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM
Billions of dollars for thousands of jobs. Only to a (needs-to-be) committed leftist is this a good bargain.
Squiggy on June 2, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Squiggy on June 2, 2011 at 12:46 PM
Way to use a Ford picture for the article.
cpaulus on June 2, 2011 at 12:58 PM
The Ford pickup instantly reminded me of Cash for Clunkers, and so even if unintentional, it was a seredipitous choice!
cane_loader on June 2, 2011 at 1:49 PM
I voted “No” because they didn’t need a bail-out. They just needed to change their business strategies. Specifically their manufacturing strategies and start building competitive (ie: Quality) automobiles again.
GM still isn’t out of the woods because they’re still not building the quality cars that people want to buy. In fact GM’s greatest car market right now is in China, not the U.S.
Chrysler isn’t fairing well either, however, they have focused on one particular vehicle that is doing well in the market place, the RAM 1500 pickup. Oh the strange twist of circumstances… the gummint bails out Chrysler, demands “Green” technology cars, and then Chrysler goes and improves their trucks. Chrysler isn’t out of the woods on their cars, however, and that will sink them if they don’t get that fixed.
Ford is about the only winner in this in context of auto market improvements and they took advantage of the disruption of GM and Chrysler and did it outside the goverment’s bailout programs.
So… will I buy a new GM (goverment motors) vehicle any time soon? No. If only for the principle of it, unless the bring back Pontiac and the Firebird, then maybe.
In the mean time I’ll continue with my Dodge truck and my Ford sedan.
Lawrence on June 2, 2011 at 3:30 PM
teke184 remarked, “Frankly, I think $14 billion is still lowballing it…”
Of course it was. Look at all the bond holders who were screwed. That was probably not even thought of when compiling the $14 billion.
{^_^}
herself on June 3, 2011 at 5:10 AM
Bad companies need to die and new and better companies will rise and fill in created gaps. This bailout did nothing to “improve” these bad companies.
Dandapani on June 4, 2011 at 3:30 PM