Trump: Let’s face it — Paul Ryan’s Medicare plan is a Republican death wish

posted at 8:10 pm on June 1, 2011 by Allahpundit

Via Think Progress. I can’t tell: Is he seriously suggesting that America should postpone the great entitlement debate until Democrats warm to the idea of it? Or is he being sarcastic and goofing on Obama’s utter, disgraceful abdication of leadership on reforming mandatory spending? If only we had more farsighted, take-charge visionaries like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

But I digress. Is he right?

The [CNN] poll indicates that 58 percent of the public opposes the Republican plan on Medicare, with 35 percent saying they support the proposal. The survey’s Wednesday release comes as the president met with House Republicans to discuss, among other things, Medicare reform…

“Half of those we questioned say that the country would be worse off under the GOP Medicare proposals and 56 percent think that GOP plan would be bad for the elderly,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Opposition is highest among senior citizens, at 74 percent, suggesting that seniors are most worried about changes to Medicare even if those changes are presented as ones that would not affect existing Medicare recipients.”

“A majority of all demographic groups don’t favor the GOP Medicare proposals,” Holland adds. “That includes conservatives – 54 percent of them don’t like the plan. As a result, rank-and-file Republicans are split right down the middle, with 48 percent favoring the GOP plan and 50 percent opposed.”

It’s a poll of adults so the partisan split is anyone’s guess, but those conservative and Republican numbers are alarming. Nate Silver also has an analysis worth reading about the extent to which the public’s mind has been made up about Ryan’s budget. The result in NY-26 isn’t a guarantee of doom across the board next year, but if you assume that voters there were paying closer attention to the Medicare debate than the national public is — which, given the intensity of the election, seems like a safe bet — then the GOP has a stark choice. Either it can throw everything it has into selling entitlement reform to the public and try to change opinion before it calcifies, or it can pivot away and start hammering on jobs to the exclusion of everything else — which, given the hideous economic data of late, it may be forced to do anyway. It’s one thing to spend your time focused on an issue that’s of secondary importance to the public vis-a-vis unemployment (see, e.g., ObamaCare), it’s another to spend your time focused on an issue that actually frightens the public when it’s worried about the economy instead.

Whichever way Republicans go, it’s a comfort to know that the Democratic brain trust seems pretty happy with its “do nothing and let entitlements implode” plan for the next decade. They’ll have lots of fun implementing that with their new majority. Here’s to Medicare reform, one way or another.


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The only the plan will gain support will be if there are massive cuts in defense too.

Tasha on June 1, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Somebody got to be a leader and tell the American ppl. WE ARE BROKE.

djohn669 on June 1, 2011 at 8:15 PM

it’s a comfort to know that the Democratic brain trust seems pretty happy with its “do nothing and let entitlements implode” plan for the next decade

unless they actually listen to the nyt editorial board and dana milbank…

cmsinaz on June 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM

Remember what people here were saying about Donald Trump yesterday?

Yeah, well, the opposite of that.

YYZ on June 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM

AP, Trump may be right. The Dems have been successfully demagoguing entitlement reform at least since the mid 1980s. And Bob Dole voted against creating Medicare, instead preferring Eldercare, a more conservative approach. That was probably around 1965. And he was demagogued for that. FDR’s opponents were probably demagogued. So, maybe, it’s crash and burn for the old United States of America. We have, as one founding father warned us against (Jefferson?), voted ourselves all the money in the Treasury, plus any borrowing too.

We’re screwed.

Paul-Cincy on June 1, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Stay the course – a year + is an eternity in politics.

This is right thing to do.

gophergirl on June 1, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Says the man who’s been through how many bankruptcies and near bankruptcies already??

Tuari on June 1, 2011 at 8:18 PM

And Trump is such a great political mind.

I do think Republicans need to concentrate on the economy, but Medicare is a part of that as well. I think they really do need to do a better job of explaining the program and they need to press the Democrats for alternatives.

But they have voted for it, so it will be hard to disavow that vote. Needless to say the Senate will not let it pass anytime soon so it is not as if they have to do all this right now..but Medicare cuts are being made right now, both to hospitals and home health care providers as part of Obamacare..reminding people that Democrats voted to cut Medicare by $500 billion to help fund Obamacare might help deflect some of the criticism.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:21 PM

The LSM is not going to let this get in the way of reelecting Dear Leader…

d1carter on June 1, 2011 at 8:22 PM

choice…..

Republican Death Wish

National Death Wish

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Limerick on June 1, 2011 at 8:24 PM

d1carter on June 1, 2011 at 8:22 PM

tru dat

cmsinaz on June 1, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Let medicare go bankrupt!

El_Terrible on June 1, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Like a new Harley on the showroom floor, Paul Ryan’s plan is just a starter kit. We have a long way to go after we get it passed.

Fynxbell on June 1, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Remind me again why he’s relevant at all this campaign season?

Bee on June 1, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Awesome and Palin just had dinner with this fake

conservador on June 1, 2011 at 8:26 PM

What if “right wing extremists” started opposing Ryan’s plan and demanded that we let medicare go bankrupt instead?

Would that change anyone’s tune?

El_Terrible on June 1, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Christ, it’s like an own goal. Medicare “reform” is a priority for no one especially when we’re headed for another recession. Enough already, move on. I WISH we can reform Medicare, but since the GOP apparatus has ZERO interest in pointing out the $500 billion Obamacare Medicare cuts, a practical gimme when it comes to the PR wars, then there’s no point. It’s a pointless academic exercise.

Stop trying to save LBJ’s Great Society.

Apologetic California on June 1, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Donald is kinda right in premise. The best strategy would have been to make Obama put a plan out first…the problem is that assumes Obama would have. Obama and the Dems are content to see the whole thing crash and burn.

Paul Ryan screwed up by not being aggressive enough. The spineless Republicans and RINOs did him no favors. The Dems often say they have a messaging problem. As with most things the Dems say, it is the opposite that is true. Ryan has the right message and bad delivery, the Dems have the wrong message and excellent delivery (not to mention a whole strata of eager and willing bull horns).

Pattosensei on June 1, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Why is he still being interviewed, again?

changer1701 on June 1, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Stop trying to save LBJ’s Great Society.

Apologetic California on June 1, 2011 at 8:27 PM

If this program just goes broke, all the Democrats will do is put everyone on a single payer system and ration care..that is what they want to do anyway.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:30 PM

We need to reform entitlements but even attempting it while the Dims hold the Senate and the White House is going to GUARANTEE that we lose the House in 2012 by giving the Dims their favorite issue to demagogue – “Mediscare”

Since these elitists can’t get it right – I offer … free of charge …

“THE HONDA PLAN”

Forget the Ryan plan – you can’t get it through the Senate much less Ogabe’s veto pen. Make the election about WASTEFUL DISCRETIONARY SPENDING. Illegally funded abortions, Jesus Piss Statues funded by the NEA, the NPR, PBS – foreign aid for education programs to teach African men how to wash their wedding tackle … and yes – COWBOY POETRY.

Make the Dims defend this wasteful spending for the next two years – in fact, we’ll have them so scared they’ll eliminate a lot of it.

This will drive GOP victories in 2012 – to take back the White House and Senate.

THEN REFORM ENTITLEMENTS – but ONLY after you’ve made NPR sacrifice first.

Only an ELITIST would come up with the idea to ask Mr. and Mrs. America to postpone their retirements before telling NPR they aren’t getting any more money.

Idiocy.

HondaV65 on June 1, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Trump was (is?) a registered Democrat, working for Obama and the Democrats, repeating Democrat talking points. I fully expect him to run an independent spoiler campaign to help throw the election to Obama. 2008 was the first and last time a Democrat has won with a majority since Jimmy Carter. Obama NEEDS a spoiler capable of taking a significant slice of the votes if hes going to win.

American Elephant on June 1, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Remind me again why he’s relevant at all this campaign season?

Bee on June 1, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Because the state run media say so. They also want the sheeple to believe he’s a republican.

darwin-t on June 1, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Why is he still being interviewed, again?

changer1701 on June 1, 2011 at 8:28 PM

The same reason Barack Obama was elected president.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM

I think Tina Kobe needs to send them some charts and slides.

These Rep dopes couldn’t message whiskey to an Irishman.

Odie1941 on June 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Paul Ryan screwed up by not being aggressive enough. The spineless Republicans and RINOs did him no favors. The Dems often say they have a messaging problem. As with most things the Dems say, it is the opposite that is true. Ryan has the right message and bad delivery, the Dems have the wrong message and excellent delivery (not to mention a whole strata of eager and willing bull horns).

Pattosensei on June 1, 2011 at 8:28 PM

The Republicans in the House voted for this bill almost to a man..I mean Ron Paul, like his son Rand Paul did not vote for it..but the vast majority of Republicans did and they have stood by Ryan and the plan. I don’t think that is spineless. It is just that it is a lot more difficult to explain a program than it is to make videos of some guy in a suit pushing an old lady off a cliff.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Trump is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!

canopfor on June 1, 2011 at 8:33 PM

I think Tina KobeKorbe needs to send them some charts and slides.

These Rep dopes couldn’t message whiskey to an Irishman.

Odie1941 on June 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Odie1941 on June 1, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Like a new Harley on the showroom floor, Paul Ryan’s plan is just a starter kit. We have a long way to go after we get it passed.

Fynxbell on June 1, 2011 at 8:25 PM

With a Dimmocritic Senate and White House – when exactly do you propose to pass it?

Or – is this one of those special “John Boehner 38% rules?” Ask for 100B in cuts and settle for 38B?

If you only get 38% of the Ryan Plan through Ogabe – then is that really enough of that plan to even bother trying?

Seriously – some idiot political general thought of this strategy.

HondaV65 on June 1, 2011 at 8:35 PM

Remember what people here were saying about Donald Trump yesterday?

Yeah, well, the opposite of that.

YYZ on June 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM

The opposite of what I said about Trump is he’s awesome and the perfect candidate to beat Obama. Is that what you want to hear?

mizflame98 on June 1, 2011 at 8:36 PM

If this program just goes broke, all the Democrats will do is put everyone on a single payer system and ration care..that is what they want to do anyway.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:30 PM

I’ve heard Rush say this before. My question is why anyone would trust these fools after a major ph*ck up like medicare?

Yea, we really ph*cked that one up, but we won’t do it again.

El_Terrible on June 1, 2011 at 8:37 PM

Trump only knows what his aides read in the NYT

phreshone on June 1, 2011 at 8:37 PM

See, this is why Trump is a democrat pretending to be a republican. Wait till Obama has a plan. BS! Polls are BS also. NY-26 lost because the GOP thought they had it in the bag and didn’t fight for it. That has been the GOP strategy for some time, put up a weak fight.

Debbie Downer Wasserman-Schultz actually made sense if you look at the end result. She said:

“The Republicans have a plan to end Medicare as we know it. What they would do is they would take the people who are younger than 55 years old today and tell them, ‘You know what? You’re on your own. Go and find private health insurance in the health care insurance market. We’re going to throw you to the wolves and allow insurance companies to deny you coverage and drop you for pre-existing conditions. We’re going to give you X amount of dollars and you figure it out.’”

YES! I could do better making my own decisions rather than the government making them for me. Pass a law to prevent insurers from dropping preexisting conditions. DONE!

Let the Freemarket decide, and not by some government bureaucrat death panel, deciding if I’m either going to need the pacemaker, or just take the end of life pill.

Kini on June 1, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Let’s just let Medicare go broke. Then everyone can say how stupid Ryan’s plan was to save it. What a bunch of idiots—in the media and the general public that has no clue how bad the system is in. And nothing reasonable from the Democrats to fix the system, just demogogeuery.

Rovin on June 1, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Because the state run media say so. They also want the sheeple to believe he’s a republican.

darwin-t on June 1, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Palin hanging out with him can only keep that message alive.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:39 PM

And this is how Obama wins reelection. This was probably Trump’s plan all along.

BuckNutty on June 1, 2011 at 8:39 PM

New York 26 was probably affected by the Mediscare demagoguery, as well as the three-way contest with the phony TEA party candidate.

All that the Republican party has to do is cut an ad that shows DNC head Wasserman-Shultz as a shameless liar and use the information from FactCheck and the WaPo to support the points.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/01/wapo-factcheck-agree-wasserman-schultz-threw-truth-to-the-wolves/

Quick ads that show the choices the under-55 crowd will have under the Ryan plan and that emphasize that the current Medicare recipients will not be affected adversely would go a long way in selling the message that something must be done.

Under ObaMaoCare, seniors will really be hurt if the situation continues on this roller-coaster to hell. Do they realize the consequences?

onlineanalyst on June 1, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Only an ELITIST would come up with the idea to ask Mr. and Mrs. America to postpone their retirements before telling NPR they aren’t getting any more money.

Idiocy.

HondaV65 on June 1, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Well except for the fact that NPR funding is really kind of piddly and Medicare is bankrupting the country. I don’t think elitism has anything to do with.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Donald…just…just go away.

SuperCool on June 1, 2011 at 8:43 PM

..but Medicare cuts are being made right now, both to hospitals and home health care providers as part of Obamacare..reminding people that Democrats voted to cut Medicare by $500 billion to help fund Obamacare might help deflect some of the criticism.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:21 PM

Exactly! And how many seniors realize the jeopardy that they are in? Why aren’t seniors being made aware by media-smart Republicans (or is that an oxymoron?)? Do seniors realize that O-care will put their health futures into the hands of an unelected board of Washington bureaucrats?

onlineanalyst on June 1, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:42 PM
we know this, but Americans don’t it called optics, they think elite spend the money on garbage, and expect then to sacrifice. I know I hear everyday.

djohn669 on June 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM

If this program just goes broke, all the Democrats will do is put everyone on a single payer system and ration care..that is what they want to do anyway.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:30 PM

I’ve heard Rush say this before. My question is why anyone would trust these fools after a major ph*ck up like medicare?

Yea, we really ph*cked that one up, but we won’t do it again.

El_Terrible on June 1, 2011 at 8:37 PM

They will trust them because they will feel they have no choice. After all, if it just collapses there will be no phasing in reforms..there will just be a lot people with no where to go. So, the government will come up with some “emergency” program to save the day. I don’t think it will work just like that, but the Democrats probably do.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM

ooops them

djohn669 on June 1, 2011 at 8:46 PM

The Republicans in the House voted for this bill almost to a man..I mean Ron Paul, like his son Rand Paul did not vote for it..but the vast majority of Republicans did and they have stood by Ryan and the plan. I don’t think that is spineless. It is just that it is a lot more difficult to explain a program than it is to make videos of some guy in a suit pushing an old lady off a cliff.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:33 PM

I didn’t say they didn’t vote for it. I said their messaging was bad. Read my post. The vote was worthless without the accompanying message. Yeah it’s easier to demagogue…but it’s really easy when the other side doesn’t really try to correct it. It’s not fair, but the Reps need to work harder.

Pattosensei on June 1, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Either it can throw everything it has into selling entitlement reform to the public and try to change opinion before it calcifies, or it can pivot away and start hammering on jobs to the exclusion of everything else…

Hmmm… how about neither?

The GOP was NOT given the House in 2010 to initiate ENTITLEMENT REFORM nor was it elected to CREATE JOBS (as strange as that might seem but how can they create jobs with the Dems still in charge of the presidency and the Senate?)

They were elected primarily to stop the WASTEFUL SPENDING and to begin pruning down the government to size.

The House seemed like the best of the three to hand to the GOP because all spending bills, in essence, must originate from the House.

But has the GOP they defunded any unnecessary government departments? What happened to the report that illustrated the savings that could be gained from eliminating duplicate agencies and programs in government?

They rather fell into the DC trap that they had to propose something and now that something is forcing them into defence when they are not even in a position to vote it through.

TheRightMan on June 1, 2011 at 8:47 PM

They will trust them because they will feel they have no choice. After all, if it just collapses there will be no phasing in reforms..there will just be a lot thenpeople with no where to go. So, the government will come up with some “emergency” program to save the day. I don’t think it will work just like that, but the Democrats probably do.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM

You nailed it. If the choices are an emergency government plan or nothing with little or no warning, and we’re talking hundreds of thousands of people’s futures at stake…I can tell you right now what John Q. Public will NOT choose.

Uncle Sams Nephew on June 1, 2011 at 8:48 PM

I am afraid the Democrats are the only ones that will be able to reform entitlements (if they ever choose to, and sooner or later they will have to) because they will not have the Republicans screaming that the Dems want to kill everyone’s grandma (the republicans are likely to support rather than oppose the Dems on this), and the lame stream media will help them sell it to the public as well.

neuquenguy on June 1, 2011 at 8:48 PM

No proposal on Medicare (that would actually make the program solvent) exists that would be immune to demagoguery. We might as well face that right now and quit worrying about polls. Change will only come from educating the American people as to the severity of the problem and the steps needed to solve it. That takes politicians with balls and a concerted effort to combat the propaganda from the other side. Ryan is willing to do that, others should join him.

echosyst on June 1, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:42 PM
we know this, but Americans don’t it called optics, they think elite spend the money on garbage, and expect then to sacrifice. I know I hear everyday.

djohn669 on June 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM

I know. I hear the same thing. But then again, I work for a home health care agency and we have already seen cuts and we let our clients know that. If they keep making cuts, some of these people will lose their services..and the government is starting to cut to hospitals too. Reality will eventually begin to rear its ugly head.

But it is the nature of people on any kind of program to feel that they are being screwed.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:49 PM

TheRightMan on June 1, 2011 at 8:47 PM

I concur!

Pattosensei on June 1, 2011 at 8:50 PM

I didn’t say they didn’t vote for it. I said their messaging was bad. Read my post. The vote was worthless without the accompanying message. Yeah it’s easier to demagogue…but it’s really easy when the other side doesn’t really try to correct it. It’s not fair, but the Reps need to work harder.

Pattosensei on June 1, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Yes, they do. I agree with that.

Terrye on June 1, 2011 at 8:52 PM

The vote was worthless without the accompanying message.

Pattosensei on June 1, 2011 at 8:46 PM

I do not see messaging as the problem here. Misplaced priorities is.

I propose this:

Instead of wasting time trying to defend the Ryan plan, how about:

1. Refuse to vote to increase the debt limit, PERIOD! And let the Dems know… instead of all the coded messages Boehner and Cantor are sending that they will increase it.

2. If the Dems seriously believe the increase of the debt limit is essential, then let THEM propose massive spending cuts before the GOP agrees to sit down.

TheRightMan on June 1, 2011 at 8:53 PM

I’ve heard Rush say this before. My question is why anyone would trust these fools after a major ph*ck up like medicare?

Yea, we really ph*cked that one up, but we won’t do it again.

El_Terrible on June 1, 2011 at 8:37 PM

People want to believe that it can be fixed. Why do people fall prey to the same economic fallacies again and again and again? They want to believe that maybe this time there will be a free lunch.

There is no free lunch. The piper must be paid. Note how both Obama (through IPAB) and Ryan (through “premium support” that is not indexed to the price of medical cost inflation) essentially try to sell the same thing — everyone will get the same or better care, even though less will be spent.

Neither will be true. Someone will either have their healthcare rationed, or be unable to pay for it. But you have to try to sell the reforms to the baby boomers as if they are going to get everything and pay less.

In the end, either we will have government rationing of care, or a return to a more consumer model of healthcare, where the price is borne more by the individual than it is now, and some people necessarily forego care because they cannot afford it (or would rather leave a legacy to their children). That is not a position that pleases many people — Americans want government services/welfare and do not want to pay for it. Many would rather believe that under the plan of so-and-so, they can have everything they want.

Revenant on June 1, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Walker (Wisconsin) and Christie (New Jersey) have shown the way. The Dems only understand the Chicago way – play hard!

And the next time the GOP takes over the White House, Senate, and House – we should HORSEWHIP any McCain-type member that talks about bipartisanship instead of sitting down to:

1. Drastically modify the tax code;

2. Overhaul government agencies and departments;

3. Repeal onerous legislation and open up every part of the US for business again.

Let’s have the media/Dems squealing right from Day 1.

TheRightMan on June 1, 2011 at 8:58 PM

“Opposition is highest among senior citizens, at 74 percent, suggesting that seniors are most worried about changes to Medicare even if those changes are presented as ones that would not affect existing Medicare recipients.

Total B.S.

The media have refused to tell the truth about the Ryan plan and reassure current seniors that it is the ONLY way that THEIR existing, unlimited benefits will continue. I guarantee that this “poll” being cited by CNN did not explain the facts about the Ryan plan before asking what seniors think about it.

rockmom on June 1, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Trump is right.

We need to focus on jobs and the economy.

faraway on June 1, 2011 at 9:28 PM

These Rep dopes couldn’t message whiskey to an Irishman.

Yup.

Extrordinary how the Stupid Party in midst of such a mediocre economy with all indicators suggestion more bad news could be fumbling their message.

The Dems rode the sex/page rumor of a small time Republican Congressman (Mark Foley) and skillfully parlayed it into a regaining of Congress in 06.

The Republicans? Look at how disorganized their messaging is.

The Stupid Party for sure!

rickyricardo on June 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Under ObaMaoCare, seniors will really be hurt if the situation continues on this roller-coaster to hell. Do they realize the consequences?

onlineanalyst on June 1, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Nope, because the AARP supported it.

chewmeister on June 1, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Well if Palin indeed runs there will be a third party run. It’s really bizarre but true, I think. I like her but don’t really understand why all of the vitriol against her. Which I hear as well at work, it’s a wonderment.

whbates on June 1, 2011 at 9:35 PM

It’s really bizarre but true, I think. I like her but don’t really understand why all of the vitriol against her. Which I hear as well at work, it’s a wonderment.

whbates on June 1, 2011 at 9:35 PM

I don’t hear the vitriol at work BTW, but the amazement at the vitriol.

whbates on June 1, 2011 at 9:40 PM

I like her but don’t really understand why all of the vitriol against her. Which I hear as well at work, it’s a wonderment.

whbates on June 1, 2011 at 9:35 PM

It’s because of fear. Plain and simple. The Dems and MSM will vilify anyone they think has a chance against Obamao. They figure if it worked last time, it will work again. Even though Palin hasn’t announced yet, they are performing a preemptive strike against her.

chewmeister on June 1, 2011 at 9:43 PM

of course the Dim/Left want “entitlements” to implode…that’s how they get to single payer. Barry/Soros/Podesta are having a good laugh at all this.

The dumb f**k Rs are actually trying to lead…and they are just playing into the hands of the single-payer people. After the demagogy is done, Obama will have his next 4 years…and bingo…it will be a fait accompli.

These are the guys that think the NHS is a swell system.

r keller on June 1, 2011 at 9:43 PM

I would rather have Nancy Pelosi as president than Donald Trump. Rather than denouncing the RINOs as the problem for sound economic policy, can we spend some time denouncing the morons who told pollsters that they would like Trump to be the Republican nominee?

thuja on June 1, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Check out what Medicare and Medicaid will not be paying for come July 1. Berwick is trimming, trimming, trimming.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHealthPolicy/Medicaid/26808

onlineanalyst on June 1, 2011 at 9:49 PM

and, yes, i do think the Rs are clumsy. Pat Caddell (sp?) was talking about the Rs and how they lead with their chin.

The left does this everytime…and the Rs keep thinging that this time it will work. Bush tried to “privatize” SS…Rs are trying to “privatize” Medicare.

The Dims hold the winning cards on this. Rs must learn to be much more crafty. I mean, really…they should hire some political consultants…I mean ones that don’t work for the Left

r keller on June 1, 2011 at 9:50 PM

A well-considered analysis about the budget and why Ryan’s plan is eminently prefereable:
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/06/01/the-democrats-big-government-b

onlineanalyst on June 1, 2011 at 10:08 PM

I mean, really…they should hire some political consultants…I mean ones that don’t work for the Left

r keller on June 1, 2011 at 9:50 PM

You might be on to something there. Since our “leaders” refuse to think for themselves and rather depend on “strategists” and consultants, they might want to be careful to hire truly conservative ones.

Didn’t McCain have a campaign consultant in the 2008 election that resigned because he didn’t want to go up against or “criticize” Obama?

TheRightMan on June 1, 2011 at 10:14 PM

It’s because of fear. Plain and simple. The Dems and MSM will vilify anyone they think has a chance against Obamao.

Will this canard ever go away? The Dems and The MSM do not fear her because she has a chance against Obama. They don’t fear her at all, because they know she has no chance against Obama. It’s true that they don’t like her, but they would love it if the GOP nominated her. It’s the Republican Establishment that fears her.

YYZ on June 1, 2011 at 10:23 PM

But I digress. Is he right?

Does it matter?

I don’t think too many people – and certainly not HA readers – are keen on who is in the driver seat when the debt metastasizes to incurable.

It’s going to happen. It’s probably already too late. The money printing (“QE”) will pause, the government will try to sell debt bonds, buyers will demand 6 or 7 percent (up from the current 3), and boom, it’s all over. We’ll be borrowing to pay for interest on our borrowing.

Does it matter what the angles are in the swing states? Either people are willing to vote for the Republican nominee or they’re not. Bush got saddled with all the blame for the Dems’ low income housing scheme when it blew up. Why would a cynical triangulating RINO moderate meet a different fate?

As Mark Steyn put it, when your debt is 14T and about to start rising in huge leaps, the only “extremism” is the status quo.

HitNRun on June 1, 2011 at 10:26 PM

The “Donald” has no business knocking Ryan’s plan unless he has one of his own to present!

GFW on June 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Remind me again why he’s relevant at all this campaign season?
Bee on June 1, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Because the state run media say so. They also want the sheeple to believe he’s a republican.
darwin-t on June 1, 2011 at 8:31 PM

And, because Palin helped to legitimize yesterday.

rjl1999 on June 1, 2011 at 10:55 PM

And there you have it: Trump is too dishonest and gutless to propose or support an honest spending-control bill. He’s just a lowlife reality TV host.

Jaibones on June 1, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Remind me again why he’s relevant at all this campaign season?
Bee on June 1, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Because the state run media say so. They also want the sheeple to believe he’s a republican.
darwin-t on June 1, 2011 at 8:31 PM

And, because Palin helped to legitimize him yesterday.

rjl1999 on June 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM

The “Donald” has no business knocking Ryan’s plan unless he has one of his own to present!

GFW on June 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM

I don’t think anyone that’s used bankruptcy multiple times as a business tool has any business commenting on government standards and practices.

gryphon202 on June 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Trumps Right.

Those words hurt to say just so you know. The Purveying reality is that Ryans Plan kills Medicare even though it doesn’t. It should, but doesn’t.

Ryans plan is supposed to work in 10 years, we don’t have 2 years much less 10 to right this ship.

MadDogF on June 1, 2011 at 11:32 PM

The “Donald” has no business knocking Ryan’s plan unless he has one of his own to present!

GFW on June 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Hey is are you Jon Huntsman? That’s what he said in an editorial today.

So in that vein, what is Trump’s plan?

I looked fairly closely at Ryan’s plan a couple of months ago and I could see this was going to be an issue. If I could see it, Congress should have had a PR plan to sell it.

Regardless, we are not likely to get much real spending done until we have the whole Congress and the Whitehouse.

So we should focus on beating Obama as the only real option to fixing the country.

gryphon

We are already pretty much bankrupt. So do we keep fighting that, or do we just take the consequences of poor planning, and over spending, and rework the whole government?

I am beginning to think the only way Americans are going to accept the reality of our situation, is to declare bankruptcy. Sure it will make it hard, and expensive, to borrow from other countries, but is that a bad thing?

We would, from that time forward, have to run the country on a cash flow basis. I think the next President will have to do some kind of managed bankruptcy even if they don’t call it that. It will be a restructuring. And I think we will need a return to the gold standard so our money is not just fancy paper.

Either that or we go socialist for real. Then half the population will move to Canada.

I’m thinking out loud… I’m only right half the time.

petunia on June 1, 2011 at 11:40 PM

cutting not spending…

petunia on June 1, 2011 at 11:41 PM

Paul Ryan needs to go for pizza with Trump and explain our financial predicament to him, because I don’t think Trump understands what a deep hole we are in.

slickwillie2001 on June 2, 2011 at 1:08 AM

We need to reform entitlements but even attempting it while the Dims hold the Senate and the White House is going to GUARANTEE that we lose the House in 2012 by giving the Dims their favorite issue to demagogue – “Mediscare”

Since these elitists can’t get it right – I offer … free of charge …

“THE HONDA PLAN”

Forget the Ryan plan – you can’t get it through the Senate much less Ogabe’s veto pen. Make the election about WASTEFUL DISCRETIONARY SPENDING. Illegally funded abortions, Jesus Piss Statues funded by the NEA, the NPR, PBS – foreign aid for education programs to teach African men how to wash their wedding tackle … and yes – COWBOY POETRY.

Make the Dims defend this wasteful spending for the next two years – in fact, we’ll have them so scared they’ll eliminate a lot of it.

This will drive GOP victories in 2012 – to take back the White House and Senate.

THEN REFORM ENTITLEMENTS – but ONLY after you’ve made NPR sacrifice first.

Only an ELITIST would come up with the idea to ask Mr. and Mrs. America to postpone their retirements before telling NPR they aren’t getting any more money.

Idiocy.

HondaV65 on June 1, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Credit where credit is due I don’t agree with you often but this time you have got it right.

This deserves repeating:

Only an ELITIST would come up with the idea to ask Mr. and Mrs. America to postpone their retirements before telling NPR they aren’t getting any more money

You want to know why the Republicans lost in NY 26, why it was the perfect place for Ryan’s plan to get shot down in flames?

You are a 50 year old guy. You been busting your butt working your whole life. You are basically conservative, socially conservative, patriotic. You might even be a veteran. You live in Upstate NY so you are taxed up the ***, and the politicians are never shy about asking for more.

You’re paying for everyone to go to school – the highest property tax rates in the nation, you’re paying for the highest Medicare costs in the nation, you’re paying for every half-assed economic development scheme that every half-assed economic development snake-oil salesman tells your sucker politicians is going to save your dying city – and you watch as the developers get insane tax breaks – but no tax breaks for you. Your property taxes go up, up, up.

Now someone comes up with a brilliant idea to save money – we are going to get rid of the Medicare you have been paying into for the last 30 years, and that you are counting on to help you with your medical bills as you get older. Meanwhile, other than this kind of “fiscal conservatism” that always seems to screw you, there’s little difference between the Democratic politicians and Republican politicians in your district.

Who are you going to vote for?

Dreadnought on June 2, 2011 at 1:12 AM

you’re paying for the highest Medicare

Correction, Medicaid not medicare. I wish this board would let you edit your messages.

Dreadnought on June 2, 2011 at 1:14 AM

Dreadnought on June 2, 2011 at 1:12 AM

Nicely put – +55555! I agree 100% with your comment and Honda’s comment.

The GOP has FAILED to do the heavy lifting on what SHOULD be their most basic priority – slashing spending and cutting down the size of Govt! This is thanks to the big government RINOs in their midst led by their leaders – Boehner and McConnell.

Notice how the RINOs shot down deep cuts to the 2011 budget that was proposed by the RSC (Republican Study Committee) but are eager to support the Ryan plan knowing very well it has little chance of passage.

And they wonder why their approval keeps falling?

TheRightMan on June 2, 2011 at 2:08 AM

Awesome and Palin just had dinner with this fake

conservador on June 1, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Normally I wouldn’t rub it in, but yes, a lot of Hot Air Palin fans need to be reminded of this with all the cheap shots they take against other candidates.

scotash on June 2, 2011 at 4:09 AM

I think the republicans needs a very prominent count down clock that is front and center where their talking point every day begins with it is 7XX days since the democrats were last able to pass a budget. Or something along these lines. Make THEM propose the budget. Republicans do not know how to fight dirty. They need to turn the tables on this issue.

karenhasfreedom on June 2, 2011 at 7:08 AM

The [CNN] poll indicates that 58 percent of the public opposes the Republican plan on Medicare

How many people polled actually know what the plan is?

disa on June 2, 2011 at 7:18 AM

Its time for the Donald to zip his lip. He had his chance and he wimped out.

Darvin Dowdy on June 2, 2011 at 7:20 AM

Even if you let Medicare go broke, the Democrats will still not get the blame. Anyone remember the hearings on Fannie Mae / Frreddie Mac where Barney Frank guaranteed that the government would not bail them out? Did the Republicans get credit for opposing these GSEs? No, of course not! This is the same thing. When Medicare imploded, it will be the Republicans fault because Republicans wanted to privatize it.

RedSoxNation on June 2, 2011 at 7:31 AM

OF course he’s right. the 2010 turnover was due far more in part to the (white) over-65 crowd voting R out of sheer terror of what President was doing/had done to Medicare. I know the TP’ers like to think it (2010) was all down to them, but it wasn’t. Not by a very, very, very long shot.

Now the center-right, hapless as always, is going to blow its foot off in an election year it should win easily.

How about focusing on winning, rather than useless blowharding? Think the Dems are going to fix anything if Obama remains president and the congressional composition stays the same or goes back under D control? Of course not. Things will get much, much worse.

But one can never underestimate the naivete of the mainstream righties. Just ask our bestest ally.

exlibris on June 2, 2011 at 9:39 AM

Sarah, don’t encourage him anymore.

davidk on June 2, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Trump’s a dope with a big mouth and Sarah is a fool for associating with him.

Buh bye to both of them.

Jaibones on June 2, 2011 at 12:59 PM