Shari’a law to blame for stoning of young Muslim beauty contest competitor?

posted at 4:05 pm on May 31, 2011 by Tina Korbe

When Katya Koren, a 19-year-old Muslim girl growing up in the Crimea region of Ukraine, entered a beauty contest, she couldn’t possibly have known what would result.

According to her friends, she just liked to wear fashionable clothes. The judges awarded her seventh place — but three young Muslims allegedly thought she deserved a different finish. Koren was brutally stoned to death.

Her battered body was buried in a forest and was found a week after she disappeared.

Police have opened a murder investigation and are looking into claims that three Muslim youths killed her, claiming her death was justified under Islam.

One of the three – named as 16-year-old Bihal Gaziev – is under arrest and told police that Katya had ‘violated the laws of Sharia.’ Gaziev has said he has no regrets about her death.

In an area governed by Shari’a law, Koren’s decision to compete in a beauty competition might actually be against the law. It seems relatively safe to say Shari’a includes no specific edict against pageants, but the Quran enjoins modesty without actually defining it. That means, in some places, some could construe Shari’a to prohibit such competitions.

Appallingly, in those places where Katya’s status as a beauty contest competitor might be considered against the law, the youths’ stoning of her might even be considered acceptable, said Andy Cochran, who runs the site 7thAmendmentAdvocate.org.

“In areas governed by strict Shari’a, it could, especially if the youths sought a ruling from a local imam first,” he explained.

Certainly, adultery is an offense considered in some places to be punishable by stoning — but a beauty competition seems a very, very far cry from adultery.

At any rate, talking about Shari’a is ”like talking about state law, without ever asking what state,” according to American Enterprise Institute resident scholar Michael Rubin, who writes regularly about issues related to the Middle East. “There is no universally accepted standardized Shari’a.”

In the end, it was sheer radicalism — not some subtle or advanced understanding of Shari’a — that led Gaziev to say what he said and to do what he presumably did.

“You’re talking about ignoramuses who are spood-fed Saudi-inspired radicalism and accept it blindly,” Rubin said in an e-mail.

And because Katya’s murder occurred in Ukraine, what matters more than what Shari’a has to say about modesty is what the Ukrainian authorities have to say about the case.

“Murder is murder,” Rubin wrote. “I would hope the Ukrainians would send them to the gallows.”

Still, Koren’s heart-breaking death is a reminder to cherish the culture of freedom we enjoy in the U.S., where just last year Rima Fakih became the first Muslim to be crowned Miss USA — to no real controversy. (Later, when Fakih spoke out against the proposed Ground Zero mosque, she found herself on the receiving end of criticism, but her participation in the pageant itself was rewarded by nothing except an enviable prize package and a Mikimoto crown.)

As Cochran puts it, “The Bill of Rights, which was first based on the Magna Carta signed in 1215, has led to a system of procedures fair to all parties, such as the use of juries in criminal and civil cases and standard procedures for each type of case. That system has been a beacon to societies around the world, for which men and women of all races, creeds and colors have fought and died.”


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Another heart-wrenching result of radicalism.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

It is the result of Islam. I-S-L-A-M! It is nothing that Mohammad, Islams “Perfect Man”, would not have done. In Islam the “radicals” are the apostates.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:12 PM

What can one say that hasn’t already been said about radical Islam? I’ll just point out that before the thread is done, some will inject that Christianity or Judaism can be just as radical.

Count it.

Rest in peace young lady.

hawkdriver on May 31, 2011 at 4:12 PM

In a semi-related story, there seems to be a correlation between rapes in Oslo, Norway, and foreigners within said city. More specifically, *ALL* rapes in the past 5 years have been committed by people of a non-Western origin.

Link

Correlation does not necessarily equal causation, but the Minister Of Health in Norway practically broke his ankle springing up to deride these crime statistics.

teke184 on May 31, 2011 at 4:13 PM

A real tragedy. Unfortunately. this will go unreported by the politically corect MSM in the United States.

It will be interesting to “Google” Katya Koren is a couple days to see how many/few newspapers, radio/TV stations cover her death.

bw222 on May 31, 2011 at 4:13 PM

These animals have no problem with raping little girls.

Wade on May 31, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Police have opened a murder investigation and are looking into claims that three Muslim youths killed her, claiming her death was justified under Islam.

It is justified under Islam. Wake up!

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Another heart-wrenching result of radicalism.

Another heart-wrenching result of fundamentalist religionist literalism.

Speakup on May 31, 2011 at 4:13 PM

The feminazis will begin their protests in 3… 2… oh, wait. Never mind. They seem to be perfectly happy when radical islam abuses, tortures, and murders women.

rmgraha on May 31, 2011 at 4:14 PM

These animals have no problem with raping little girls.

Wade on May 31, 2011 at 4:13 PM

They are just following Mohammad’s example. They are good Muslims.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:15 PM

Religion of Peace™

MassVictim on May 31, 2011 at 4:15 PM

This is so sad.

Abby Adams on May 31, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Islam, not “radical” (what a stupid PC term) Islam, but Islam, has not one redeeming feature. It is the Plague.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:16 PM

The majority of Muslims in Ukraine are ethnic Crimean Tatars and live in the Crimean peninsula (thrilled I got to use the word tartar in two consecutive posts).

Tommy_G on May 31, 2011 at 4:16 PM

If I read “radical” one more time I am going to scream. If you can not even identify the enemy, you will be toast.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:18 PM

This is Islam.

Subject women to cruel, intolerable, horrible lives. Completely lord power over women. Subject them to a life of fear, slavery, and disrespect.

This is Islam.

capejasmine on May 31, 2011 at 4:18 PM

That just breaks my heart.

Tennman on May 31, 2011 at 4:19 PM

islam is evil, pure and simple.

muslims should be ashamed of their demented prophet and should be ashamed of themselves for following this murderer.

JihadKiller1s1k on May 31, 2011 at 4:20 PM

As so many others have pointed out, it is not radicalism that is to blame, it is Islam.

Vera on May 31, 2011 at 4:20 PM

I thought you said she was from Dearborn, MI…sorry.

d1carter on May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM

“They are doing exactly what this book says. Until you get principled leadership in the United States of America that is willing to say that, we will continue to chase our tail, because we will never clearly define who this enemy is”. (Allen West)

In brightest day, in darkest night
No Al-taqiyya will escape his sight
May those who worship at Islam’s PC banner
Beware the power of Allen West’s Hammer

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Quite simply, Islam should be against the law. It is a unacceptably dangerous and despicable ideology.

paul1149 on May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM

There is no moderate Islam!

There’s Islam and that’s it.

“Moderate” Muslims aren’t practicing Islam.

Tina, you gotta read up on this stuff.

Akzed on May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Its just Islam. Not radical Islam, just Islam everywhere you find it. Hopefully the Ukrainians will force their moral views on the Muslim minority there.

sharrukin on May 31, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Islam does not teach the same sort of compassion for the other that virtually every other religion including today’s “secular humanism” teaches. Muslims murder and torture each other without compunction and their own ummah, “brotherhood” has no condemnation to offer. That’s because they don’t value individual human life the way Christian westerners do. It’s not a concept in Islam, which means it’s not a concept in Muslims “hearts and minds”. Their hearts and minds instead understand what Allah teaches them in the Koran, namely, the Collective Will to Power.

When will our leaders understand this? And moreover understand that it is necessary in the end to treat Muslims in the way they themselves understand moral principles? Which ultimately means that they must be beaten back and vanquished and humiliated by a greater strength. That is clearly what they understand. Every move to win their hearts and minds only strengthens them, emboldens them to advance their own peculiar ethics of the world, which couldn’t give a damn about “hearts and minds”, as we understand the term. They will accept the shehada from anyone they can swindle and connive to recite it while at the same time are willing to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Whatever it takes to build the army of Islamic soldiers is what their ethics is about.

There is no way of avoiding the reality that the adults in this world are going to have to act like adults and step up and slap, and in a big way, Muslims who have made of their own societies the equivalent of “Lord of the Flies” and who now threaten to overrun every more advanced society with their mayhem. We’re going to have to come to terms this reality. Either that or it’s simply going to be cruel for all of us, with no kindness in sight, and possibly no one left to come and rescue us off an Island from Hell that in our passivity and cowardice we allowed to be taken over by moral pygmies.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Muslim guys … they’d rather kill a hot chick than date one.

Tony737 on May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM

“We should incorporate sharia into the American legal system in the name of diversity and multiculturalism.”

-most libs

Bishop on May 31, 2011 at 4:25 PM

If you look at how many muslims think that violence is justified under Islam you wll see that the ‘radicals’ are the ones who are peaceful.

One in five Muslims in the US think violence is justified for Islam. Over half of worldwide Muslims think violence is justified. Islam is the problem.

GardenGnome on May 31, 2011 at 4:25 PM

In the end, it was sheer radicalism

No, in the end it was Islam. If you are going to opine on things Islamic you should know a bit about it.

Here is a killing closer to home. Young Muslim woman commits suicide by banging her own head on a coffee table until she is dead. Cops can’t find any “radical” Muslims about so they let it pass as suicide.

BL@KBIRD on May 31, 2011 at 4:28 PM

“Moderate” Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammad, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No “moderate” can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammad himself did. The Koran condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call “moderates” are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Koran. “Moderates” will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”

BTW, may David Petraeus burn in Hell for calling that vile book Holy.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Before she was “stoned to death” she would have had to have been abducted, restrained and probably disabled beyond measure to carry out the stoning. Sharia accepts all the torture that leads up to the inevitable stoning.

fourdeucer on May 31, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Paging Rep Kieth Ellison. Paging Rep Kieth Ellison.

Paging Rep. Kieth Ell… oh, never mind.

Bruno Strozek on May 31, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Eric Holder if this sharia murder was another example of radical Islam, holder said it was just a horrible taking of life, having nothing to do with one of the world’s great faiths. He then went on to give a speech on the virtues of hate crime legislation.

toliver on May 31, 2011 at 4:30 PM

These “people” are truly just flat out disgusting. They are running a free-for-all to kill anyone at anytime for anything….that’s my take on sharia law. An excuse…..pigs and yes I call them P.I.G.S.!

sicoit on May 31, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Adherents to shariah are fundamentally and unalterably opposed to the survival of the Constitution of the United States. Shariah is based on the Koran (or the HOLY QUR’AN as David Petraeus calls it), which Muslims believe is the “uncreated” word of Allah as dictated to the prophet Mohammed; hadiths, the sayings of Mohammed; and agreed interpretations by Islamic scholars. Shariah commands that Muslims carry out jihad indefinitely until the Dar al-Harb, or House of War, where shariah is not enforced, is brought under the domination of the Dar al Islam, or House of Islam (literally the House of Submission), where shariah is enforced.

Shariah commands both Islamic terrorism and pre-violent, “civilizational jihad” or “stealth jihad,” depending on necessity and circumstances. Those who work to insinuate shariah into the United States are conspiring to subvert and replace the Constitution, because under shariah, freedom of religion and other civil liberties enshrined in the Constitution – and the very concept of man-made law – are incompatible with Islam. Any system of man-made law is considered illicit under shariah, where Allah and only Allah has provided the law.

This is not a radical concept in Islam, but a fundamental tenet of the faith. Shariah is held by mainstream Islamic authorities – not simply fringe extremist elements who have supposedly “hijacked” the religion – to be the perfect expression of divine will and justice. All Muslims, regardless of where they live, must submit to be governed by shariah, a cradle-to-grave “complete way of life” that mandates social, cultural, military, religious and political norms.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:34 PM

In Islam the “radicals” are the apostates.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Exactly right.

Daddy-O on May 31, 2011 at 4:35 PM

In the end, it was sheer radicalism — not some subtle or advanced understanding of Shari’a — that led Gaziev to say what he said and to do what he presumably did.

Sorry Ms. Korbe but that has not been established – either by you or Michael Rubin.

Dictionary.com defines sheer as “2. unmixed with anything else”.

So it was radicalism unmixed with any mainstream Islamic understanding of Sharia legal codes?

And how do you know this? Answer: You don’t.

aengus on May 31, 2011 at 4:35 PM

I know this is a Democrat, and I know it’s Weiner – and I know we would all love to get rid of him.

But please – what the hell do we care? This is voyeurism at it’s worst.

jake-the-goose on May 31, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Pass the popcorn.

davo on May 31, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Oops. Wrong thread.

davo on May 31, 2011 at 4:38 PM

There is no way that she was killed by stoning in the way that one being stoned is supposed stoned if it was done by Shari’a. This murder was does by a mob that used rocks over clubs to beat her to death.

She was not dressed in white, burred up to the waist or neck. With a line drawn on the ground where the rocks hurled from and no closer. No man went and checked to see if she was dead then have more stones hurled at her head if she was not. Once the mob was out of rock they ran away even if she was not dead but died minutes later. They will still call it stoning but it has the same as what the difference between a hanging and a lynching is.

tjexcite on May 31, 2011 at 4:39 PM

Still, Koren’s heart-breaking death is a reminder to cherish the culture of freedom we enjoy in the U.S., where just last year Rima Fakih became the first Muslim to be crowned Miss USA — to no real controversy.

Is there no culture of freedom in Ukraine? I see no connection between freedom or its lack and the stoning to death of a woman for supposedly being immodest.

aengus on May 31, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Another victory for the Religion of Peace. yay,

Pablo Snooze on May 31, 2011 at 4:41 PM

These kinds of incidents are going to continue until muslim women put a stop to them. Change is going to have to come from within. Not until the women rise up to stop the Honor Killings will they stop. No amount of government intervention or military presence can stop this. This is something only the victims can change.

Tommy_G on May 31, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Certainly, adultery is an offense considered in some places to be punishable by stoning — but a beauty competition seems a very, very far cry from adultery.

So what? Stoning is barbaric savagery no matter why it’s used. To try to find a reasonable explanation for this Islamic custom is futile.

And fwiw, I wish these human rights orgs who act without hesitation when paper bags are placed over prisoner’s heads would show equal zeal for these depraved acts done in the name of Islam.

Buy Danish on May 31, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Islam does not teach the same sort of compassion for the other that virtually every other religion including today’s “secular humanism” teaches. Muslims murder and torture each other without compunction and their own ummah, “brotherhood” has no condemnation to offer. That’s because they don’t value individual human life the way Christian westerners do. It’s not a concept in Islam, which means it’s not a concept in Muslims “hearts and minds”. Their hearts and minds instead understand what Allah teaches them in the Koran, namely, the Collective Will to Power.

Tell that to the people with “coexist” bumper stickers on their Priuses and Outbacks. I attended my nephew’s wedding in the Unity Church in The People’s Republic of Boulder. We had some Islamic saying over the banquet room doorway and the Karma Kitchen.

These people fail to realize that they may want to coexist with Muslims, but Muslims want to stone them to death.

Common Sense on May 31, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Hey Tina, are you aware that the English language does not require you to adopt every other language’s symbols when you use their words? Sharia is sharia is shari’a is sha’ria is s’haria. That apostrophe has no meaning in English.

Just so you know. You don’t spell defense with a c, right?

Jaibones on May 31, 2011 at 4:52 PM

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/31/egypt-prominent-cleric-says-financial-problems-can-be-solved-by-conducting-jihad-raids-to-capture-slaves-women-and-children-to-sell-like-groceries/

http://translating-jihad.blogspot.com/2011/05/egyptian-shaykh-jihad-is-solution-to.html
He would return with 3 or 4 slaves, 3 or 4 women, and 3 or 4 children. Multiply each head by 300 dirhams, or 300 dinar, and you have a good amount of profit. If he were to go to the West and work on a commercial deal, he would not make that much money. Whenever things became difficult (financially), he could take the head (i.e. the prisoner) and sell it, and ease his (financial) crisis. He would sell it like groceries.

Uh huh…..

sicoit on May 31, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Great, the new blogger joins the old bloggers, with the same utter, (dare I say willful?), ignorance of islam.

I miss the days when Robert Spencer brought forth the truth of islam to this site.

Rebar on May 31, 2011 at 4:56 PM

The Koran is a deadly serious instruction manual for Muslims on bringing subjugation, death and Lord of the Flies Hell to the whole world. The Koran makes Mein Kampf look like a mere child’s book of Fairytales by comparison. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. In her wilful refusal to see the obvious about Islam, Tina Korbe makes those back in the thirties who refused to see the obvious about Nazism, look absolutely eagle eyed by contrast.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:59 PM

I miss the days when Robert Spencer brought forth the truth of islam to this site.

Rebar on May 31, 2011 at 4:56 PM

He was too truthful so he was shown the door. Did CAIR buy hotair?

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Another heart-wrenching result of radicalism.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

It is the result of Islam. I-S-L-A-M! It is nothing that Mohammad, Islams “Perfect Man”, would not have done. In Islam the “radicals” are the apostates.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Yeah You are absolutely correct. How many “Moderate” muslims here in this country have committed honor killings? Take for example the guy who started to create a “moderate muslim” network and killed his wife?

Moderate and Muslim is an oxymoron. Unless one uses it to define those muslims who haven’t killed or maimed anyone YET.

dogsoldier on May 31, 2011 at 5:01 PM

I would have zero problem with a vigilante group going after the perpetrators and stoning them to death. And then leaving their severely mutilated bodies in a very public place with signs warning people the same thing will happen in the future with any Islamist who decides that Shari’a law is somehow “right”.

And don’t forget smearing pig guts all over them. Absolute humiliation and degradation of Islamists is the only way to answer them.

nukemhill on May 31, 2011 at 5:01 PM

When is the last time anyone stoned a helpless woman to death in the name of Jesus Christ? Christ prevented such a thing. Mohammad commanded it and even participated it it when he wasn’t too busy raping little girls.

Islam itself is evil. Tina Korbe, frankly, is a useful idiot and taking any truth from what she has said would be very destructive to the logical faculty.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Muslim guys … they’d rather kill a hot chick than date one.

Tony737 on May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM

I’m sure there was a pre-stoning rape party.

katy the mean old lady on May 31, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Tina, this is not an outlier. This is not the fringe. This isn’t radical. This is typical for islam.

OhioCoastie on May 31, 2011 at 5:10 PM

A suggestion, Tina: when your next payday rolls around, spend eight bucks and download the 5-part podcast series by R.C. Sproul entitled The Dark Side of Islam.

OhioCoastie on May 31, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Islam is a crime against humanity.

Slowburn on May 31, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Another heart-wrenching result of radicalism.
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

It is the result of Islam. I-S-L-A-M! It is nothing that Mohammad, Islams “Perfect Man”, would not have done. In Islam the “radicals” are the apostates.

HalJordan on May 31, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Indeed! Indeed! Indeed!

In Islam, their Radicals are those whom we call Moderates.

The more we promote the beliefs fo their Moderates, whom they view as apostate, the more they will attack us.

We must stop striving to understand Islam from a Western mindset, and apply Western solutions.

We have to take an honest look at this from the Islamic mindset and apply solutions that mean somthing to Muslims.

Otherwise we’re the mere epitome of human ostriches with our heads stuck in the sand.

Lawrence on May 31, 2011 at 5:22 PM

These animals have no problem with raping little girls.

Wade on May 31, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Or little boys.

Bacha bazi

Dominion on May 31, 2011 at 5:24 PM

At any rate, talking about Shari’a is ”like talking about state law, without ever asking what state,” according to American Enterprise Institute resident scholar Michael Rubin, who writes regularly about issues related to the Middle East. “There is no universally accepted standardized Shari’a.”

In the end, it was sheer radicalism — not some subtle or advanced understanding of Shari’a — that led Gaziev to say what he said and to do what he presumably did.

Nnsense, and dangerous nonsense, at that. There is NO repeat NO authoritative interpretation of Shari’a law that does not institutionalize slavery, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, barbaric brutality and bloody murder.

Shari’a is evil. EVIL.

It is incompatible with human freedom and human decency.

novaculus on May 31, 2011 at 5:33 PM

The fruit of Islam blossoming before our horrified eyes. Do not forget that women can be radicalized as well. Burka babes often frequent Disneyland. I suspect it is just a matter of time before one of them blows up.

Blue Collar Todd on May 31, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Christianity: Love one another.
Islam (aka Religion of Peace): Behead one another.

BitterClinger on May 31, 2011 at 5:43 PM

“You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; [then] beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”

Charles Napier to India, 1849.

KillerKane on May 31, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Muslim guys … they’d rather kill a hot chick than date one.

Tony737 on May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM

I thought I was the only thinking this…..

BTW, Nice vid/pictures yesterday.

VikingGoneWild on May 31, 2011 at 5:57 PM

A sick, sick people.

WisCon on May 31, 2011 at 6:07 PM

5-part podcast series by R.C. Sproul entitled The Dark Side of Islam.

OhioCoastie on May 31, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Thanks for the heads-up. I have the entire series The Consequences of Ideas by R.C. Sproul on my I-pad and would recommend it to anyone interested in philosophy.

fourdeucer on May 31, 2011 at 6:14 PM

I miss the days when Robert Spencer brought forth the truth of islam to this site.

Rebar on May 31, 2011 at 4:56 PM

I miss those awesome vid’s as well.

VikingGoneWild on May 31, 2011 at 6:16 PM

OhioCoastie on May 31, 2011 at 5:17 PM

By the way, the 5 part series are free from the lecture series Renewing Your Mind. I just downloaded all five lectures, thanks again.

fourdeucer on May 31, 2011 at 6:23 PM

7th century barbarians. May God forgive them.

Eternal rest grant unto her O Lord,
And let Perpetual Light shine upon her.
May her Soul
And the Souls of all the faithful departed
Through the Mercy of God
Rest in Peace.
Amen

Zorro on May 31, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Horrible. It gets impossible at a certain point to really accept the notion of moderate Muslims.

Southernblogger on May 31, 2011 at 6:31 PM

7th century barbarians. May God forgive them cast them into Hell.
Zorro on May 31, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Sorry, I know I shouldn’t feel that way but…….

Southernblogger on May 31, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Tina, You sound as if you are trying to excuse the unexcusable! Let’s face it, Islam and Sharia are not compatible with Judeo-Christian values and the principles which are supposed to guide this great nation, the USA!
Amen!

tomshup on May 31, 2011 at 6:38 PM

By the way, the 5 part series are free from the lecture series Renewing Your Mind. I just downloaded all five lectures, thanks again.

fourdeucer on May 31, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Great! Link, please?

OhioCoastie on May 31, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Religion of Peace, my foot!

Islam is a religion of innocent blood, and the brutal and totally uncalled-for shedding of it!

And Sharia is proof of that!

pilamaye on May 31, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Great! Link, please?

OhioCoastie on May 31, 2011 at 7:38 PM

I will try to get you a link but I have to shut down due to severe weather. Will try later but you can look up Renewing Your Mind and scrolling through the series the 5 part series is free so you should be able to find it. Promise to try and link later

fourdeucer on May 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

How can anyone bring themselves to throw rocks at something so beautiful? Oh yeah I forgot. They’re savages.

Generic Republican on May 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Solution?

JDAMS.

Lots of ‘em.

BallisticBob on May 31, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Muslim guys … they’d rather kill a hot chick than date one.

Tony737 on May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Maybe. Or maybe they did ask her out, got turned down, and this is all just to cover up killing her for it.

Count to 10 on May 31, 2011 at 8:05 PM

The purveyors of dark age barbarism using the shield of political correctness.

AshleyTKing on May 31, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Or maybe purveyors of modern barbarism using the shield of dark age mysticism.

Count to 10 on May 31, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Or maybe purveyors of modern barbarism using the shield of dark age mysticism.

Count to 10 on May 31, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Well they have been doing it for 1,400 years, so it seems like something of a trend.

sharrukin on May 31, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Well they have been doing it for 1,400 years, so it seems like something of a trend.

sharrukin on May 31, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Sure — but then we get to ask what was the real motivations during that time. Islam seems rather well adapted toward excusing antisocial bad violently juvenile behavior.

Count to 10 on May 31, 2011 at 8:23 PM

Sure — but then we get to ask what was the real motivations during that time. Islam seems rather well adapted toward excusing antisocial bad violently juvenile behavior.

Count to 10 on May 31, 2011 at 8:23 PM

That would be the point everyone is making. Islam is the problem, not radical anything. Muhammad did far worse than what these guys did.

Who did Buddha rape?
Who did Jesus rape?

As you say Islam promotes the worst of human behavior unlike other religions that restrain that behavior.

sharrukin on May 31, 2011 at 8:29 PM

That would be the point everyone is making. Islam is the problem, not radical anything. Muhammad did far worse than what these guys did.

Who did Buddha rape?
Who did Jesus rape?

As you say Islam promotes the worst of human behavior unlike other religions that restrain that behavior.

sharrukin on May 31, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Enabling vs. motivating.
Oh, well, I was just looking for something to argue about, anyway.

Count to 10 on May 31, 2011 at 8:35 PM

It’s the religion, stupid!

MaiDee on May 31, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Just as street gangs that claim to be protecting their own neighborhood primarily visit pain on their own neighborhood; so the moslems who claim to be defending their faith primarily visit their destruction on fellow moslems. Go figure.

KW64 on May 31, 2011 at 8:58 PM

I’m glad Ukraine is pursuing this, too many places, including Florida (read Pamela Geller’s site for more on this gruesome case), are turning a blind eye to women murdered by “honor killings”.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on May 31, 2011 at 8:58 PM

EVIL is alive and breeding!

royzer on May 31, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Great! Link, please?

OhioCoastie on May 31, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Here is the site, but for some reason you will have to copy & paste to your browser search bar, sorry I could not do better.
http://www.ligonier.org/rym/broadcasts/audio/dark-side-islam-part-1/

fourdeucer on May 31, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Religion of peace.

JeffB. on May 31, 2011 at 9:37 PM

How can any even half-civilized person consider this barbaric medieval tribal practice a religion?

bayview on May 31, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Stoning is definitely part of Islam and Islamic law. The caliph Umar, one of Muhammad’s closest companions, even maintained that it was originally in the Qur’an:

‘Umar said, “I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, “We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book,” and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession.” Sufyan added, “I have memorized this narration in this way.” ‘Umar added, “Surely Allah’s Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him.” (Bukhari, vol. 8, bk. 82, no. 816)

It’s an easy jump to stone women also for participating in beauty pageants – a solicitation for illegal sex in the demented Muslim mind. Islam is the extremely dangerous cult of Muhammad.
 

Chessplayer on May 31, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Shari’a law to blame for stoning of young Muslim beauty contest competitor

More proof that “Shari’a Law” is just another name for pseudo-religious Tyranny.

landlines on May 31, 2011 at 10:23 PM

I see well-dressed hijabed women in the Walmart I work at .
When one of them is in my department I try to look especially busy so that I don’t have to feign friendliness with supporters of the pedophiliac death cult.
They may be personally nice people-but since I am a proud American. A proud political Zionist. A proud WOMAN-they are my ENEMY and I wish nothing but ill on them.
If that makes me a monster-so be it.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 31, 2011 at 11:43 PM

I live next door to a Muslim family. They have a trampoline in their backyard. Their little boy likes to play with my 11 month old puppy.

spinach.chin on June 1, 2011 at 1:00 AM

I see well-dressed hijabed women in the Walmart I work at .
When one of them is in my department I try to look especially busy so that I don’t have to feign friendliness with supporters of the pedophiliac death cult.
They may be personally nice people-but since I am a proud American. A proud political Zionist. A proud WOMAN-they are my ENEMY and I wish nothing but ill on them.
If that makes me a monster-so be it.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 31, 2011 at 11:43 PM

I wouldn’t say it makes you a monster, but it’s definitely a bit silly to feel that way. My wife and I went to Old Country Buffet this past Memorial Day for lunch, and I would say I saw no fewer then a dozen “hijabed” women that afternoon, along with their corresponding husbands/family members. The astounding thing is, nobody attempted to rape my wife, no one tried to wage war on any Jews (although there may not have been any there – I’m not sure), no one shouted “Allahu Akbar” and suicide-bombed the salad bar. Everyone just… ate lunch.

Do you, for example, feel the same way about libs? Do you have any lib friends, or do you shun them because they don’t hold the same political views?

When I used to work outside of the home, I never liked to make my political leanings known to my co-workers, mainly because, I never wanted to find out that people I liked (cowerkers) believed moronic things (libs).

One time at lunch break, a guy I worked with and had become friends with came up to me while I was sitting in my car listening to Limbaugh. He stopped for a minute, and when he realized what I was listening to, he had this reaction like he had just been hit with a missile to the chest. He just couldn’t believe that a guy he had become friends with could actually have conservative views!

I think you’ll find that most Muslims are just living their life trying to get by like the rest of us.

BTW, I live in Dearborn Heights, MI, and no, I’m not a Muslim.

spinach.chin on June 1, 2011 at 1:19 AM

The religion of pieces, pedophiles and the 12th century…

Gohawgs on June 1, 2011 at 1:33 AM

spinach.chin on June 1, 2011 at 1:19 AM

My lib friends wouldn’t want to go ‘Nick Berg’ on me if they found out that I was born Jewish.
My lib friends don’t consider me less than a man.
My lib friend like dogs and tolerate Israel.
The average muslim prolly feels the exact opposite-even the ones that are minding their manners.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 1, 2011 at 1:56 AM

The average muslim prolly feels the exact opposite-even the ones that are minding their manners.
annoyinglittletwerp on June 1, 2011 at 1:56 AM

Really? Have you met the average Muslim?

Your lib friends “tolerate” Israel, eh? What a ringing endorsement.

So you actually have no first hand experience – other than your ability to completely ignore women who are dressed differently than you at Walmart, or are you just going by what you see on TV?

It’s amazing to hear people who’ve never been here talk about Dearborn as if life here resembles some city in a Middle Eastern dictatorship, when in reality, if you were to see it personally, you’d see it was nearly indistinguishable from a thousand other big-city suburbs you might find anywhere else in America… with maybe a few more strangely dressed people than you’re used to.

I think you’d be surprised to find out that the average American Muslim doesn’t want you dead. Also, I’ve got news for you – most non-Muslim American men probably consider you less than a man.

I mean, basically, you’re a bigot. At least Bibi is willing to sit down with Muslims and work things out. You won’t even look them in the face because of your blind hatred. Hope you don’t teach your kids that kind of stuff.

spinach.chin on June 1, 2011 at 4:17 AM

In the end, it was sheer radicalism — not some subtle or advanced understanding of Shari’a — that led Gaziev to say what he said and to do what he presumably did.

Oh boy, do we have to suffer more uninformed commentary from another Islamochallenged blogger?

As others have previously said, I sure do miss Spencer here at HotAir.

awake on June 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM