Gallup: Vets and active-duty military rate Obama lower than civilians

posted at 12:45 pm on May 30, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The actual news from the latest Gallup poll isn’t that veterans and active-duty military give Barack Obama a lower approval rating.  It’s that Obama’s barely drafting a majority among civilians in his best age demographics.  That’s bad news for the President given that younger voters notoriously turn out less in national elections:

U.S. military veterans and those currently on active military duty are less likely to approve of President Obama’s job performance than are Americans of comparable ages who are not in the military. …

Thirty-seven percent of all active-duty military personnel and veterans surveyed approved of the job Obama is doing during the January 2010 to April 2011 time frame. That compares with 48% of nonveterans interviewed during the same period.

Obama’s approval rating varies by age, with younger Americans in general most likely to approve and older Americans least likely. The gap in approval between veterans/active duty military and nonveterans persists across the age spectrum, from 18- to 29-year-olds to those 80 and older.

First, these approval ratings might not even be all that current.  The survey took 238,000 responses from a time period that stretched 16 months.  Obama’s approval rating in January 2010 was significantly higher in Gallup’s polling (51/43) than it was in April 2011 (44/47).  The results of this analysis have been stretched out too far to make it an accurate reflection of reality today for that reason, as well as the fact that it doesn’t include any responses after the death of Osama bin Laden, which might have pushed some of the veteran/active duty responses a bit upward.

Putting those issues aside, the age demographic breakdown does show an interesting pattern.  As respondents get older, the difference between service and civilians narrows considerably.  It starts at 14 points among 18-29YOs, and narrows to six points for 50-59YOs before going back to ten points among 60-69YOs.  Unfortunately for Obama, he only gets majority approval from civilians in the first two age categories, and not spectacular approval at that — 58% among 18-29YOs and 51% for 30-39YOs.  Given that younger voters provided all of the enthusiasm for his first campaign, these are tepid numbers for an incumbent that now has to run on a disastrous economic record that only seems to be getting worse this year.

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Let the TRUTH Set you Free!

canopfor on May 30, 2011 at 12:48 PM

I’ve been saying this since before I was retired. The trolls and Progressive Republicans always seemed to have some MSM poll to counter the anecdotal claims though. It’s worse since DADT.

hawkdriver on May 30, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Obama doesn’t believe in American Exceptionalism. That makes it tough for military men/women.

Paul-Cincy on May 30, 2011 at 12:52 PM

51% for 30-39YOs

boggles the mind…

cmsinaz on May 30, 2011 at 12:52 PM

The only people that rate this guy high are his parasitic constituents and loyal socialist followers and cultists . . . unfortunately there’s quite a few of them in this poor sick Republic.

rplat on May 30, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Are these the people that can see him or not?

MeatHeadinCA on May 30, 2011 at 12:54 PM

now has to run on a disastrous economic record that only seems to be getting worse this year.

so the playbook will be, forget our situation, let’s focus on those mean spirited GOP who want to get rid of medicare and leave grandma in a cardboard box eating cat food…

cmsinaz on May 30, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Did you catch O’Booba’s “U.S.S. Naval Academy” flub during his Arlington speech?

Dan Quayle, call yer office.

Akzed on May 30, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Can’t wait to see Old Joe Klein spin this poll.

JOE KLEIN, TIME MAGAZINE: The other thing is there’s still tension between [President Obama] and Petraeus about what exactly, how exactly to close out Afghanistan. I’d say the relationship is pretty good, very, better than it was with Bush because the military hated the fact that he wasn’t really doing the job in Iraq.

As a dedicated Leftist Stooge, Klein has no conscience and no shame, so I’m sure he’ll simply forgot he said this.

Del Dolemonte on May 30, 2011 at 12:55 PM

51% for 30-39YOs

boggles the mind…

cmsinaz on May 30, 2011 at 12:52 PM

I fall within that demographic, and am shocked at the lemming mentality of my age group.

portlandon on May 30, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 30, 2011 at 12:55 PM

with the lsm help…

cmsinaz on May 30, 2011 at 12:56 PM

portlandon on May 30, 2011 at 12:56 PM

indeed…i guess the kool-aid is strong

cmsinaz on May 30, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Did you catch O’Booba’s “U.S.S. Naval Academy” flub during his Arlington speech?

Dan Quayle, call yer office.

Akzed on May 30, 2011 at 12:55 PM

No. What happened?

MeatHeadinCA on May 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Lets take a guess…..who’s votes are going missing or will not be sent out in time or returned in time???? First two guesses don’t count..

red131 on May 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM

JOE KLEIN, TIME MAGAZINE: The other thing is there’s still tension between [President Obama] and Petraeus about what exactly, how exactly to close out Afghanistan. I’d say the relationship is pretty good, very, better than it was with Bush because the military hated the fact that he wasn’t really doing the job in Iraq.

Hogwash! Klein is full of more crap than a Thanksgiving turkey. That lying pile of goat dung can stick it in his ear or the orifice of his choice.

rplat on May 30, 2011 at 1:03 PM

Yeah, but Joe Klein says Obama has a better relationship with the military than Bush. (LOL)

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/time-s-joe-klein-claims-obama-has-better-relationship-with-military-than-bush

jdawg on May 30, 2011 at 1:03 PM

Joe Klein hardest hit.

Jorge Bonilla on May 30, 2011 at 1:05 PM

“U.S. military veterans and those currently on active military duty are less likely to approve of President Obama’s job performance than are Americans of comparable ages who are not in the military.”

No compost, Solar Pons!

ebrown2 on May 30, 2011 at 1:07 PM

So a Democrat polls relatively poorly with a group that skews conservative? This isn’t very newsworthy, though it’s a reminder that Joe Klein is out of touch.

Mister Mets on May 30, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Importing my comment from the headlines thread:

The author notes that while active duty personnel are far less likely to approve of Obama’s performance, they are about on par with the national average on disapproval ratings; many more than the average gave no opinion.

There are several possible explanations for this finding. Those on active duty may in general be less involved in politics and current affairs and thus less likely to hold an opinion on Obama or other political matters. Or, it could be that members of the active-duty military are adhering to a general nonpartisan norm within the military culture, and are therefore less willing to express an opinion to a survey interviewer, regardless of what they may actually believe.

There is a far simpler explanation to be found in the common tendency to avoid cognitive dissonance. There is an obvious tension between duty towards the Commander in Chief and disapproval of what he does, if not actual contempt for him. Expressing that disapproval raises the level of tension, and since not much can be done about the bounds of duty, the personal feelings of disapproval are suppressed to reduce the conflict. The relatively high number of “no opinions” among active duty personnel makes perfect sense. They have a job to do. Stewing about the damned fool in charge doesn’t make the job any easier.

novaculus on May 30, 2011 at 11:43 AM

novaculus on May 30, 2011 at 1:09 PM

A friend who had the “opportunity” to attend the glorification of Barack “Osama Slayer” Obama at Fort Campbell (when He visited so SEAL Team 6 could bask in His ubiquity). His company First Sergeant gathered the company together with the goal of assigning soldiers to attend. First Sergeant asked who had passes, family, leave, etc, to select those to experience the orgasmic ecstasy that is felt in the presence of The One. My friend sneaked over with the group who had leave until First Sergeant spied him in that group and ordered him back into the assigned group. As he sulked over to the Lucky-to-Meet-The Messiah group he mumbled under his breath that he hated that eff’n 8astard Obama! The entire company erupted in laughter! The assigned group found out later that attendance was voluntary. He did not attend.

csdeven on May 30, 2011 at 1:09 PM

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milwife88 on May 30, 2011 at 1:10 PM

So a Democrat polls relatively poorly with a group that skews conservative? This isn’t very newsworthy, though it’s a reminder that Joe Klein is out of touch.

Mister Mets on May 30, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Except for the Officers Corps, the US military is much less “conservative” than it was 25 years ago. In fact, it’s almost 50-50 between Rs and Ds.

Officers are still about 7:1 Republican though.

Del Dolemonte on May 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM

I fall within that demographic, and am shocked at the lemming mentality of my age group.

portlandon on May 30, 2011 at 12:56 PM

As am I.

I do not think this poll is actually true. Something stinks.

upinak on May 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM

csdeven on May 30, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Good story cs.

hawkdriver on May 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM

The real question is about O’Bama’s approval rating with Colin Powell.

In 2008 I heard a couple 19-year old soldiers talking about Powell’s endorsement of O’Bama over McCain. I argued briefly, but they let me know they respected Powell’s opinion more than mine.

Powell needs to let these taken-for-granted defenders-of-freedom know that the experiment went poorly and they can support someone else in 2012.

rwenger43 on May 30, 2011 at 1:14 PM

Akzed on May 30, 2011 at 12:55 PM

I never listen to bho, what did he say this time?
L

letget on May 30, 2011 at 1:18 PM

Good story cs.

hawkdriver on May 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM

lol First sergeant has a certain not-to-be-mentioned-for-fear-of-being-called-a-racist Tab. The Obama worship is strong with him.

csdeven on May 30, 2011 at 1:23 PM

The Obama worship is strong with him.

csdeven on May 30, 2011 at 1:23 PM

what does you friend and those he work with think of the First Sgt?

upinak on May 30, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Speaking as a Viet Nam era Navy veteran, you better believe I feel rather strongly that Obama has absolutely no regard or appreciation for any member of the Armed Forces, past or present.

If anything, he has shown repeatedly, by his actions and his words, that he possesses a level of distain for military personnel and veterans that I happen to find rather disgusting.

Going one better, I believe his dislike of the military as a whole goes a level approaching complete abhorrence.

So while I normally disagree with anything Gallup puts out about this particular President these days, this time I think it hit the mark with these results.

Problem is that I doubt that the results of these poll figures will trouble Obama in the least. And again, I think that is because he has shown that he has no appreciation for the military or the sacrifices that the men and women who have served and are serving in the Armed Forces have made, especially those who we remember on Memorial Day for making the ultimate sacrifice.

But that is just one of the many reasons why Obama fails as a leader and why he needs to be voted out of office come Election 2012.

And that is my own personal opinion.

pilamaye on May 30, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Vets and active-duty military rate Obama lower than civilians

Actually we rate civilians pretty high. MSM-style headline.

cartooner on May 30, 2011 at 1:35 PM

I fall within that demographic, and am shocked at the lemming mentality of my age group.

portlandon on May 30, 2011 at 12:56 PM

You and upinak fall within the group that was part of the first big wave of high schoolers and collegians who were marinated in political correctness and racial, gender, and sexual orientation diversity awesomeness that took hold of the country in the mid-to-late 1980s.

BuckeyeSam on May 30, 2011 at 1:35 PM

what does you friend and those he work with think of the First Sgt?

upinak on May 30, 2011 at 1:26 PM

He is a competent soldier.

csdeven on May 30, 2011 at 1:37 PM

Heres a great Veteran,and Immigration site!
==============================================

Lest We Forget…

http://oneoldvet.com/

canopfor on May 30, 2011 at 1:41 PM

BuckeyeSam on May 30, 2011 at 1:35 PM

I think Port and I are possibly (others as well) very interesting exceptions concerning the demograph.

I was not “city” raised like most in that poll. Port, from what I know, was not the typical raising either.

I am noticing those who were raised in the city are more to jump before they think while others like myself, and possibly por, think before we leap.

Just an observation on my generation.

upinak on May 30, 2011 at 1:41 PM

He is a competent soldier.

csdeven on May 30, 2011 at 1:37 PM

Just something I was curious about. Most guys like that, when I was in and grew up around them, would do just about anything to get next to their “God”. Rebuplican or Democrat.. it never mattered.

upinak on May 30, 2011 at 1:43 PM

I’ve been saying this since before I was retired. The trolls and Progressive Republicans always seemed to have some MSM poll to counter the anecdotal claims though. It’s worse since DADT.

hawkdriver on May 30, 2011 at 12:51 PM

And that pay issue didn’t make him any friends, either.

ladyingray on May 30, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Just something I was curious about. Most guys like that, when I was in and grew up around them, would do just about anything to get next to their “God”. Rebuplican or Democrat.. it never mattered.

upinak on May 30, 2011 at 1:43 PM

Yep. It pretty bad when they are in a position to demand you worship their God also.

csdeven on May 30, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Akzed on May 30, 2011 at 12:55 PM

No. What happened?

MeatHeadinCA on May 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM

..I’m thinking that The Pantload called the Naval Academy “The U.S.S. Naval Academy”. Oh well, first “corpseman”, then that effeminate salute to the USMC guards of Marine One, and now disrespecting Annapolis like this. Someone better clue this guy in that his only tangible successes came at the hands of the USN: the Somalian Pirates and Osama Bin Bacon Fat getting taken out by Navy Seals. This guy is a train wreck

Would be nice to get some links, AKzed.

The War Planner on May 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Personally, I rate him lower than whale dung.

ahem on May 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

No problem. He’ll just have Holder ignore the absentee ballot violations and disenfranchise our military.

sclemens on May 30, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Lets take a guess…..who’s votes are going missing or will not be sent out in time or returned in time???? First two guesses don’t count..

red131 on May 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Beat me to it, Red131.

Great minds and all that.

GrannyDee on May 30, 2011 at 2:07 PM

There are several possible explanations for this finding. Those on active duty may in general be less involved in politics and current affairs and thus less likely to hold an opinion on Obama or other political matters. Or, it could be that members of the active-duty military are adhering to a general nonpartisan norm within the military culture, and are therefore less willing to express an opinion to a survey interviewer, regardless of what they may actually believe.

Daaaang…..Why would the military give Obama a low approval rating?
Where do I start?

1-How about “shout outs” prior to the announcement of the massacre at Ft Hood and STILL not acknowledging that the massacre was a terror attack.
2-Holding their pay as a political ploy over the debt debacle.
3-Using every single meeting with the troops as a photo op
4-His foreign policy in a word…sucks, disrespectful to foreign dignitaries, disrespecting even our most staunchest allies, thus endangering every soldier’s life.
5-That there’s been more casualties in Afghanistan under Obama than under any other POTUS. In three wars now without reason of involvement and lack of goal/disengagement.
6-Putting our soldiers under the commands of foreign officers rather than our own.
7-ROE….nuff said.
8-Defense budget cuts.
9-No understanding or respect of military history.
10-Lack of laws against the manipulation/corruptness of the soldier’s absentee ballots.
11-THIS….difference in respect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw
12- AND THIS…difference in affection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNt4J8l5ft4

All I know is that this “Proud Army Mom” can’t wait until we all can call President Palin, CinC

tencole on May 30, 2011 at 2:16 PM

I fall within that demographic, and am shocked at the lemming mentality of my age group.

portlandon on May 30, 2011 at 12:56 PM

You think you’ve got it bad, try being a mid 20-something. Its downright embarrassing!

Uncle Sams Nephew on May 30, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Well of course. Alphas don’t respect Betas. Especially a communist Beta.

JimP on May 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM

How can this be? HE made the gutsy call! HE got Osama. /sarc

Dingbat63 on May 30, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Well of course. Alphas don’t respect Betas. Especially a communist Beta.

JimP on May 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM

He isn’t even a Beta – more like an “Omega”, because in saner times he wouldn’t even be considered until he was the last man alive.

Uncle Sams Nephew on May 30, 2011 at 2:41 PM

There is a far simpler explanation to be found in the common tendency to avoid cognitive dissonance. There is an obvious tension between duty towards the Commander in Chief and disapproval of what he does, if not actual contempt for him. Expressing that disapproval raises the level of tension, and since not much can be done about the bounds of duty, the personal feelings of disapproval are suppressed to reduce the conflict. The relatively high number of “no opinions” among active duty personnel makes perfect sense. They have a job to do. Stewing about the damned fool in charge doesn’t make the job any easier.

novaculus on May 30, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Yup. Nicely stated.

Pazman on May 30, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Who knew there were so many racists in the military and among vets?

profitsbeard on May 30, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Lets take a guess…..who’s votes are going missing or will not be sent out in time or returned in time???? First two guesses don’t count..

red131 on May 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM

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The right, and the Generals need to make ASAP the word of the day… as soon as the ballot is set. Not a day later.
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And not just this cycle… ALWAYS.
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RalphyBoy on May 30, 2011 at 2:48 PM

The Troops know Obama doesn’t have their six. To Barry six is the start of dinner/party time.

Yoop on May 30, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Unexpected!

Not.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 30, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Time’s Joe Klein: Obama Has Better Relationship With Military Than Bush Did

Heh…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw

mizflame98 on May 30, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Expect more military voter disenfranchisement in the next election. Can’t have citizens voting against the Messiah, now can we?

Kalifornia Kafir on May 30, 2011 at 3:19 PM

I am in the retired military group but I find it difficult to believe that Obama has that much support in any demographic. I keep trying to convince myself that there can’t be that many idiots in the country.

duff65 on May 30, 2011 at 3:30 PM

duff65 on May 30, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Don’t forget there are probably a lot of people who don’t want their dislike of the Coward-in-Chief known by others, so they don’t get punished for having an inconvenient opinon.

Uncle Sams Nephew on May 30, 2011 at 3:32 PM

This is not surprising to me. My SIL is stationed at Fort Campbell and when Obama came there to do his little speech to the Seals, NO ONE wanted to stay for it. They ended up making some of them stick around for Obama’s photo op.

DanaSmiles on May 30, 2011 at 3:32 PM

“Vets and active-duty military rate Obama lower than civilians”

It’s nice to know that military personnel rate civilian guys like me higher that they rate Obama.

Ira on May 30, 2011 at 4:06 PM

“He isn’t even a Beta – more like an “Omega”, because in saner times he wouldn’t even be considered until he was the last man alive.
Uncle Sams Nephew on May 30, 2011 at 2:41 PM”

LOL Well said. I stand corrected.

JimP on May 30, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Joe Klein removes all doubt that liberalism is a mental disorder. Even a brainwashed lemming with a single digit IQ is not insane enough to make such idiotic statement. The video presented by mizflame at 3:12 PM proves without question that Klein is completely intellectually bankrupt.

volsense on May 30, 2011 at 4:25 PM

No. What happened?
MeatHeadinCA on May 30, 2011 at 1:01 PM

During O’Booba’s Arlington blarney he mentioned that venerable government university there in Annapolis, calling it “the U.S.S. Naval Academy…”

It sounds kinda nautical, don’t it? I wonder how many corpsemen serve on the U.S.S. Naval Academy.

Akzed on May 30, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Would be nice to get some links, AKzed.
The War Planner on May 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM

That is how we can honor the sacrifice of those we’ve lost. That is our obligation to America’s guardians – guardians like Travis Manion. The son of a Marine, Travis aspired to follow in his father’s footsteps and was accepted by the USS [sic] Naval Academy. His roommate at the Academy was Brendan Looney, a star athlete and born leader from a military family, just like Travis. The two quickly became best friends – like brothers, Brendan said.

Akzed on May 30, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Akzed on May 30, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Akzed on May 30, 2011 at 4:49 PM

ROFL!!

Oh cut the doofus some slack. He probably heard the tales from his Great Uncle who denied he ever shared war stories with the doofus. LOL

capejasmine on May 30, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Ok, so whats lower than buried whale excrement….?

because its probably lower than that……

RealMc on May 30, 2011 at 6:08 PM

1-How about “shout outs” prior to the announcement of the massacre at Ft Hood and STILL not acknowledging that the massacre was a terror attack.

tencole on May 30, 2011 at 2:16 PM

A major but what if Bush did it moment. Disgusting.

CW on May 30, 2011 at 7:36 PM

So a Democrat polls relatively poorly with a group that skews conservative? This isn’t very newsworthy, though it’s a reminder that Joe Klein is out of touch.

Mister Mets on May 30, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Ah, but if you actually do the math, you come up with 44% DISapproval among the youngest voters (18-29 year olds). Now I don’t know about most people, but I think when you’ve got a Democrat (specifically, the “Anti-Bush!” – and we all remember how popular Bush was among college kids), as President, and he’s polling among the youth vote with a little less than half against, then I’d say you’re looking at something less resembling an avalanche or landslide, and more resembling an asteroid strike.

Blacksmith on May 30, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Paging Joe Klein! Paging Joe Klein!

Bevan on May 31, 2011 at 9:19 AM