Quotes of the day

posted at 8:30 pm on May 28, 2011 by Allahpundit

“A top goal of the nation’s most influential national Tea Party group is to stop Mitt Romney from winning the Republican nomination for president…

“‘I don’t think I’ve met any groups or any local activists that like him or want him to be president,’ [FreedomWorks grassroots liaison Brendan] Steinhauser said. ‘They just don’t believe he’s authentic. That’s the biggest problem in addition to the health care thing.’…

“While FreedomWorks hopes to raise roughly $20 million for the 2012 election cycle, the group’s focus will not be on fundraising or TV campaign ads. They will concentrate instead on nudging the grassroots toward coalescing behind whoever ends up being the most electable alternative to Romney. They see their role as being crucial after the GOP candidates have gone through the first three or four primary states: Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada…

“‘What we’re going to be ready to do, is when these candidates -– let’s say it’s Romney versus one of the governors, or there’s four candidates –- at that point that’s when we probably really start focusing on getting behind one person,’ he said. ‘And then these networks will help propel that person through those states.’”

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“In one sense, Ms. Palin’s flirtation with the idea of a presidential campaign has not been unlike Mr. Trump’s. Like the real estate mogul, Ms. Palin has used confrontation with President Obama as a way to seize the media spotlight. And as Mr. Trump did, the former Alaska governor dangles the promise of a celebrity-infused campaign that would be a kind of political reality show of its own…

“But Mr. Trump’s was a brief dalliance with presidential politics that almost appeared to have been done on a whim. Ms. Palin, by contrast, has been moving slowly and methodically for several years. Aides have said for months that she wanted to be in a position to run for president if that’s what she decided to do.

“Ms. Palin and her aides revealed few clues on Thursday, which leaves a lot of people in Washington and around the country guessing.”

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“‘The bottom line is Sarah Palin is not going to run for president,’ says a Republican adviser close to front-runner Mitt Romney. ‘She’s making money, she’s moved on, she’s kind of an entertainer rather than a politician. She still has some sway with the grass roots, but she is not going to run.’…

“‘Watch what she has done,’ says the Republican close to Romney. ‘Has she contacted one major donor across the country about putting together an organization? Has she talked to one member of the Republican National Committee about working for a campaign, or one governor, or one former governor about working for a campaign? The answer is no.’…

“‘I know a lot of people who would be inclined to go to a movie premiere, or a book signing, or go listen to her give a speech,’ says a veteran GOP politico in Iowa, ‘but I don’t know a lot of people who are saying Sarah Palin needs to run.’ The same is true in the other early states of New Hampshire and South Carolina, where some key GOP operatives view her chances with great skepticism.”

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“We know what President Obama’s strategists would like: a civil war between the Romney’s establishment Republicans and Palin’s Tea Party populists. They would like it to mirror the 1996 GOP race, in which Steve Forbes drained Bob Dole of resources, weakening him for the general election.

“The view among Republican strategists involved with various current and past campaigns is that Romney benefits from Palin’s entry. Romney’s supporters are unlikely to leave him for Palin. Palin not only steals a portion of the anti-Romney vote from candidates like Tim Pawlenty and Jon Huntsman; she also steals available television air time. She makes it harder for second-tier candidates to get noticed…

“There is one scenario, however, in which Palin’s entry could cause Romney’s numbers to fall. Right now, the dynamic of the race is that there is Romney and an anti-Romney candidate. If it becomes instead Palin and an anti-Palin candidate, Huntsman or Pawlenty might have a moment in the sun.”

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“Although the talk running rampant inside the Beltway is that the path to the nomination is more wide open than ever, a cadre of Republican presidential strategists contacted for this story said that such talk is simply conventional wisdom, with one pointing out that conventional wisdom is usually wrong. If anything, most said that Romney’s late-starting strategy has been masterful and has solidified his spot atop the rest of the field. He will make his candidacy official Thursday in New Hampshire, nearly four months later in the cycle than when he launched four years ago…

“According to a political strategist in Romney’s orbit, ‘Mitt is really well-positioned to win the nomination. He’s the only candidate who can win with an early knockout or a long race, a la Obama 2008. The knockout comes via wins in New Hampshire, Florida and Nevada. The long win comes via his unparalleled finance and political infrastructures, which outlast and outpace the others.’…

“For one thing, he’s avoided getting dragged into worthless early spats. And as Palin prepares to make a splash with a nationwide bus tour and a feature film about her record as governor, there may not be enough oxygen in the room to support in-depth introductions for Pawlenty and Huntsman. Those two former governors are just beginning to make themselves known nationwide, but they may be crowded out for a while by Palin and Romney, because the political class has been waiting for months to see those two break out.”

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“Doesn’t she win because she’s the only woman in the race, perhaps. She’s the only one with any pizzazz and she’s the only cultural right person. She looks fabulous out on the stump. She’s a great show and the others are not a great show.”


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I guess csdeven has no knowledge of the 1800 presidential election between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, widely known as one of the most negative campaigns in history. Jefferson accused Adams of having a “hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.” Adams camp said Jefferson was “a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father.” Things only got worse from there.

steebo77 on May 29, 2011 at 12:46 PM

According to our resident PDS troll, that was “civility for its day.”

ebrown2 on May 29, 2011 at 12:56 PM

I say, this jejune character is a most historically ignorant jackanapes!

ebrown2 on May 29, 2011 at 12:40 PM

I guess csdeven has no knowledge of the 1800 presidential election between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, widely known as one of the most negative campaigns in history.

steebo77 on May 29, 2011 at 12:46 PM

GOALPOST MOVEMENT ALERT!!!

steebo77 on May 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM

One election in 1800 justifies a habit of disrespectful behavior? I believe a man/woman can be a success, oppose his opponents vociferously, and still retain his decency.

As an example, we have a founding father that was very committed to these ideals. I’m sure he wasn’t perfect, but he earned the respect from all who knew him. As a young lad he committed himself to a set of rules that guided people in proper behavior in the company of others. This served him well throughout his life. By our standards they some are very strange, but some what is considered civil changes as times change, whereas other acts of civility are timeless.

“Rules of Civility & Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation.”

csdeven on May 29, 2011 at 1:01 PM

“One election in 1800 justifies a habit of disrespectful behavior?”

csdeven on May 29, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Like I said, willfully historically ignorant.

ebrown2 on May 29, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Like I said, willfully historically ignorant.

ebrown2 on May 29, 2011 at 1:12 PM

One election.

csdeven on May 29, 2011 at 1:14 PM

I know that most Americans were personally offended by this type of disrespect that was uttered by Alan Grayson.

And the election of 1800 was considered despicable and is not, nor ever has been, or never will be, held up as an example of what we should do, but rather what we shouldn’t do.

csdeven on May 29, 2011 at 1:18 PM

ebrown2 on May 29, 2011 at 12:56 PM

csdeven is no troll, PDS or otherwise. He has been here approximately forever, and is a solid conservative. He’d like to see the discourse elevated a bit, which seems a laudable desire. And, if ugliness in political campaigns of the past justifies disrespectful behavior now, it’s hard to see how anyone can complain about how Mrs. Palin has been treated–it’s just part of politics.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 1:21 PM

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Thank you. Have a wonderful Memorial Day weekend!

csdeven on May 29, 2011 at 1:22 PM

csdeven on May 29, 2011 at 1:22 PM

You, too. How blessed we are to have had such men as these, who would give their lives for us and our country.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 1:34 PM

If indeed the “insiders” are right and Romney ends up as the nominee because he’s the only one “electible”, it will be interesting to see how much his supporters expect Palin to rally her base to support him. Will they suddenly forget all their smears & insults about how she’s joke and lacking in “gravitas” and want her to help him or will they figure they don’t need her base of bitter clingers?

katiejane on May 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM

csdeven is no troll, PDS or otherwise. He has been here approximately forever, and is a solid conservative. He’d like to see the discourse elevated a bit, which seems a laudable desire. And, if ugliness in political campaigns of the past justifies disrespectful behavior now, it’s hard to see how anyone can complain about how Mrs. Palin has been treated–it’s just part of politics.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Whatever credibility he had was deliberately self-trashed after 15 pages of “abdication” spamming and deliberate repeating of discredited memes about Palin in just one thread alone. “Csdevem” is a lying hypocrite and a self-made troll. He’s destroyed his own credibility all by himself, despite his puerile and juvenile attempts to blame others for his own bad behavior.

As for “1800,” it was not at all unique and the Palin supporters here are not calling for a MAD doctrine of sliming, instead they are calling for realizing that politics “ain’t no disco” and that such slime calls for forceful counter-attack on substantive grounds, which is what Palin has generally been doing while Mitt, et. al., have been cowering in their political bomb shelters or actively aiding the Dems and the MSM in stabbing her and
Republican conservatives in general in the back.

ebrown2 on May 29, 2011 at 1:40 PM

katiejane on May 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Heaven forfend Romney is the nominee (unfortunately, I like him less this cycle than last, and I wasn’t wild about him then), but everyone will absolutely expect her to throw her support behind him. Her endorsement will suddenly be the political holy grail for the GOP.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 2:22 PM

msmveritas on May 29, 2011 at 5:03 AM

I didn’t mean to imply Rush said, “If she runs she wins”…that is my owm assertion…which I truely believe…

I tried to watch Chris Wallace this morning but will never atttempt to do so again. He repeated the already disredited anti Palin talking point that she was not invited by the Rolling Thunder group and I switched the channel in disgust as he started to run down the manufactured negatives about her, To me Fox has beoem unwatchable. I am just relying on blogs now to get my news…

CCRWM on May 29, 2011 at 2:32 PM

ebrown2 on May 29, 2011 at 1:40 PM

I have no problem with Palin’s forceful straight-shooting–”death panels” was fabulous. What I don’t like is the name-calling (“Neanderthal”) or tossing out the “sexism” charge, which is akin to “racism”–they are unanswerable, they do not advance the conservative ball, they are off-putting to many (including me), and they can distract from important issues and ideas. Her supporters may like this sort of thing–they are rightly sick of how she’s been treated by the media and party establishment–but they already in her camp. To win (if she runs), she will need more votes than theirs.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 2:33 PM

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Do you think the “she’s stupid, she’s a quitter, she’s an attention grabber” advance the conservative cause?

katiejane on May 29, 2011 at 2:38 PM

katiejane on May 29, 2011 at 2:38 PM

It’s difficult to form a response to a rhetorical question–I’m sure you don’t believe the answer is “yes,” so I don’t know what you’re looking for. She has detractors; she has been treated abominably. Her factual responses are effective, but those I mentioned are simply not–they are off-putting to many of us who might otherwise be on her side.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 3:28 PM

csdeven is no troll, PDS or otherwise. He has been here approximately forever, and is a solid conservative. He’d like to see the discourse elevated a bit…

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 1:21 PM

By posting 300 snarky comments in any Palin thread using the word “quitter” or “abdication” or variations thereof? Now how exactly does that “elevate the discourse”?

She has detractors; she has been treated abominably. Her factual responses are effective, but those I mentioned are simply not–they are off-putting to many of us who might otherwise be on her side.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 3:28 PM

She obliquely called Santorum a “Neanderthal”, and that’s off-putting. Meanwhile, at the time that she was all but accused of inciting mass murder via a simple campaign graphic, all Tim Pawlenty apparently could say was “well that’s not my style”. You tell me which is more “off-putting”.

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 3:40 PM

It’s difficult to form a response to a rhetorical question–I’m sure you don’t believe the answer is “yes,” so I don’t know what you’re looking for.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Maybe the answer “it doesn’t advance the conservative cause” would be sufficient.

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM

There ya go, Buy Danish. Refute that.
pseudoforce on May 28, 2011 at 11:13 PM

How is that very long article germane to Spaceship Captain unseen’s assertion that Romney (and others) have “decided that America is not worth saving and instead they must meld america into a new world order”?

Buy Danish on May 29, 2011 at 3:52 PM

By posting 300 snarky comments in any Palin thread using the word “quitter” or “abdication” or variations thereof? Now how exactly does that “elevate the discourse”?

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 3:40 PM

It depends upon whether they are snarky because they really are snarky, or if they are snarky because you disagree with them. There are plenty of people who really do not like the fact that Palin quit the governor post–I don’t happen to be one of them–I can easily see myself doing the same–but my disagreement neither negates nor delegitimizes the view.

She obliquely called Santorum a “Neanderthal”, and that’s off-putting. Meanwhile, at the time that she was all but accused of inciting mass murder via a simple campaign graphic, all Tim Pawlenty apparently could say was “well that’s not my style”. You tell me which is more “off-putting”.

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Is it really impossible to see that just because Candidate A has done something off-putting doesn’t mean I’m going to agree with Candidate B?

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM

The nature of rhetorical questions is that they neither seek nor require response.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM

It depends upon whether they are snarky because they really are snarky, or if they are snarky because you disagree with them. There are plenty of people who really do not like the fact that Palin quit the governor post–I don’t happen to be one of them–I can easily see myself doing the same–but my disagreement neither negates nor delegitimizes the view.

Fifteen pages of copy-and-paste jobs of the same comment is trolling. Sorry.

Is it really impossible to see that just because Candidate A has done something off-putting doesn’t mean I’m going to agree with Candidate B?

No, but it’s quite possible to see which one so many profess to find so off-putting so often. It’s weird.

The nature of rhetorical questions is that they neither seek nor require response.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Often because the answer is obvious, not because the question is unanswerable. Take it up with Mr Elevated Discourse.

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM

How is that very long article germane to Spaceship Captain unseen’s assertion that Romney (and others) have “decided that America is not worth saving and instead they must meld america into a new world order”?

Buy Danish on May 29, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Did you read it? I’d bet you probably didn’t get through the first three paragraphs. What put unseen in the spaceship wasn’t entirely his views on Romney, as you well know.

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM

CCRWM on May 29, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Thanks for clarifying. I don’t think Rush would argue that it is easy to change perceptions, he pointed out he has tried himself and his wife had to point him to the door.

I think Rush also makes a good point in that the MSM attacks have to peak at some point. My daughter sat in one of her classes this semester listening to the prof and a few libs tearing Palin to shreds. She was so disgusted listening to them that she was texting me asking for points to rebut them. My daughter is not overly political though she did vote for McCain over Obama, thank heavens. My point though is there comes a point when people see the absurdity of that kind of hatred.

Palin would need to lead those people who come to see the absurdity and also convince them she can win. People are motivated to beat Obama, they are looking to see who can reach the voters over the din of the MSM attack machine. The first primaries are in December, she needs to get a move on.

msmveritas on May 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Often because the answer is obvious, not because the question is unanswerable. Take it up with Mr Elevated Discourse.

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Take what up? I was responding to katiejane because although she asked a rhetorical question, I was willing to converse if there was something she wanted to discuss. It does not seem that is the case. In any event, it doesn’t really seem you and I have anything further, so I’ll wish you a good day.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Take what up?

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Nice try at some sort of circular deflection, but this condensation demonstrates it pretty well:

DrMagnolias: “csdeven is no troll, PDS or otherwise. He has been here approximately forever, and is a solid conservative. He’d like to see the discourse elevated a bit, which seems a laudable desire.”

katiejane: “Do you think the ‘she’s stupid, she’s a quitter, she’s an attention grabber’ advance the conservative cause?” [Answer is plainly "no". No?]

DrMagnolias: “It depends upon whether they are snarky because they really are snarky, or if they are snarky because you disagree with them.” [Is inherent trollish snarkiness a sign of genuine disagreement, or is it merely snarkiness for its own sake and therefore reprehensible? Goodness me. By the way, there have been a lot of people who post over and over that she didn't give birth to Trig. In a snarky way, of course.]

DrMagnolias: “Take what up? I was responding to katiejane because although she asked a rhetorical question, I was willing to converse if there was something she wanted to discuss.” [Well, maybe you could continue the conversation by answering the non-rhetorical rhetorical question about csdeven's non-trollish trolling. Buh-bye.]

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 4:51 PM

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 4:51 PM

I have no idea what you want, nor why you believe being obnoxious is a way to continue a conversation. Why do you insist that an answer is necessary to a rhetorical question? I don’t believe it was a serious question, and I don’t believe you do, either. I also fail to see why you insist on engaging in this completely pointless pursuit, but I’m simply not interested in engaging in “gotcha” games that get absolutely nowhere. That may be how you choose to spend a Sunday afternoon, but I prefer something else. So as I said, good day.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 5:16 PM

And for the record, she said she wouldn’t call Santorum that … she’d leave it to his wife.

powerpro on May 29, 2011 at 5:05 AM

When this statement from Palin first aired, all her supporters here hurrahed Sarah and said, “That’s a Mama Grizzly swipe!” and probably that sickening “Boom! Taste the nightstick”. Now, since the other day, several supporters are walking it back and claiming she never said it herself… of course that’s intellectually dishonest, but why the walkback? I thought her supporters LOVED that she said this.

I won’t call powerpro an idiot, I’ll let someone else do that. Gee, that’s fun! I get to use any ad hominem I choose, just so long as I word it just that way and I’m INNOCENT! Think I’ll keep using this tactic! Here’s another, “I won’t call powerpro intellectually dishonest, willfully obtuse, and a slobbering Palinbot who got her orders from Mansour, I’ll let someone else do that!” Now remember, I never said those things. What a fun game!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on May 29, 2011 at 5:56 PM

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Ah, I see, so that absolves her from having a thin-skinned, knee-jerk reaction agaisnt a fellow Republican, thus breaking her beloved Reagan’s 11th Commandment. How convienent for her.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on May 29, 2011 at 6:00 PM

djohn669 on May 29, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Ah, so now it was an attack? I thought “she didn’t say that” was the defense? There’s some disarray at Camp Sarah. Must get your memes in order.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on May 29, 2011 at 6:01 PM

What put unseen in the spaceship wasn’t entirely his views on Romney, as you well know.
pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Really? That’s exactly why I put him in the spaceship. How can you possibly know more about what I think than I do? Oh wait! Maybe you’re loony too and imagine you have psychic powers.

Buy Danish on May 29, 2011 at 6:09 PM

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 5:16 PM

You are correct – my question was a hypothetical one but it’s hard to see why a simple “no – those things don’t advance the conservative cause wasn’t an easy response. Is it Palin’s responsibility be the whipping girl for the conservative cause? I find the constant drumbeat of “she’s a quitter” useless – it’s like my mother said – It’s done – get over it. No matter how many times the PDS crowd has heard why she resigned they don’t care – they’ve got their meme and nothing will make them give it up. Personally I have just as much trouble with the politicians who get elected to one office and then bail on their voters chasing some higher office – Obama, Biden, Hillary, etc.

As for “breaking the 11th Commandment?” – IMO too many GOPers have trashed Palin since she was nominated for VP for her to give more than cursory consideration to it.

katiejane on May 29, 2011 at 6:23 PM

I don’t care what anyone says, I love Sarah. Good, bad, or in-different, to me she is the real thing.

Mirimichi on May 29, 2011 at 6:46 PM

What put unseen in the spaceship wasn’t entirely his views on Romney, as you well know.
pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Really? That’s exactly why I put him in the spaceship. How can you possibly know more about what I think than I do? Oh wait! Maybe you’re loony too and imagine you have psychic powers.

Buy Danish on May 29, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Apparently by reading your posts. To recap:

Thank you for once again providing incontrovertible evidence that you are a conspiracy theorist, and off your fracking rocker. What’s particularly scary is how many Hot Air commenters are riding in your spaceship.

Buy Danish on May 28, 2011 at 10:48 PM

And what I personally find most disconcerting about you is how quickly you lump all Palin supporters in one group as lunatics.
gryphon202 on May 28, 2011 at 10:53 PM

Tonight, based on specific comments, I’m lumping you and unseen into the lunatic group.

Gots to go. I’ll check in tomorrow to see if you’ve found any more fellow travelers for the spaceship.

Buy Danish on May 28, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Anything else?

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 6:52 PM

I have no idea what you want, nor why you believe being obnoxious is a way to continue a conversation. Why do you insist that an answer is necessary to a rhetorical question? I don’t believe it was a serious question, and I don’t believe you do, either.

DrMagnolias on May 29, 2011 at 5:16 PM

It’s as serious as anything Mr Elevated Conservative csdeven has typed over the past 269 hours or so. A question is not necessarily “rhetorical” just because you want to label it so.

Ah, I see, so that absolves her from having a thin-skinned, knee-jerk reaction agaisnt a fellow Republican, thus breaking her beloved Reagan’s 11th Commandment. How convienent for her.

Aslans Girl on May 29, 2011 at 6:00 PM

How many times has she criticized fellow Republicans? How many Republicans, named and unnamed, have taken swipes at her? Shove your 11th Commandment where the sun never shines. All you can point to is the Santorum comment. Or quitter. Or she’s money-hungry. Whatever.

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Oh look! Buy Danish got his own stalker!

I think the Palinistas must hold seminars on repetive meaningles stalking techniques. They are the only ones who participate and the only ones who somehow think they are being insightful.

Sad little bunch of Tiger Beat groupies.

Next, step they say “PWND!” It’s all very orginal and clever don’t you know? You betcha.

petunia on May 29, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Knowing Rick, I would add that he more than likely meant what he said as a compliment, not an insult. He himself had to cancel a campaign appearance in Feb. or March due to one of his seven children being sick. He was talking as a father would and comparing Palin to himself in a good light.

Not only did Palin see it in the worst light (showing her thin-skin and knee-jerk reaction), attack him by calling names — and names I’ll add that were what sexist feminists use — but then went on to sound like a liberal feminist by saying, “my kids never hold me back.” Gee, that’s a conservative, admirable quality! She was admitting that politics comes first for her, and leaping at McCain’s offer in ’08 — soon after finding out about Bristol’s situation — I already knew that.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on May 29, 2011 at 8:41 PM

pseudoforce on May 29, 2011 at 6:52 PM

What point are you trying to make? Honestly, I have no fracking idea.

Buy Danish on May 29, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Do I make you feel flawed? That is not my intent. My intent is to have a discussion and not to engage in name calling etc. If you want to have a discussion, then be civil. I wont respond otherwise.

csdeven on May 29, 2011 at 1:48 AM

Civility, much like The Constitution, is not a suicide pact. I will not remain “civil” while the uncivil occupy the moral high ground by my simple refusal to call out false premises and faulty memes.

gryphon202 on May 29, 2011 at 1:52 AM

John Adam’s answer: “Do not suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberty by any pretences of politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three names for hypocrisy, chicanery, and cowardice.”

Mcguyver on May 30, 2011 at 6:12 AM

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