How to argue entitlement policy, Democrat style

posted at 8:10 pm on May 26, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Actually, this is practically a paint-by-numbers primer on the Democratic strategy on entitlement reform. Step 1: Declare that the Republican plan will kill people. Step 2: Denounce demagoguery. Step 3: Offer no plans of your own. Step 4: Feign offense when challenged on strategy. And finally, Step 5: Walk off in a huff without doing anything. The “walking off” part of Step 5 is actually optional; I call it Fleebagger Style, but Democrats should feel free to do nothing while staying in place, kind of like Harry Reid does in the Senate.

Former Clinton adviser Simon Rosenberg was kind enough to demonstrate the technique, with optional snark added for good measure. Radio host Ben Ferguson provides the post-game analysis at the end (via Greg Hengler):

I’ve appeared on talking-head shows before, and in fact I’ll be making regular appearances on Fox Business Channel’s Tom Sullivan’s weekend show. I taped my first segment with Tom and Adam Shapiro this morning, which will air on Saturday evening at 7 pm ET. People talk over each other on a regular basis for a few reasons, one of which is that the satellite delay sometimes creates the impression that no one is speaking; sometimes the passion comes out and more than one person reacts. Rosenberg’s dramatic declaration in this clip is simply unprofessional and mainly childish, taking his ball and going home. It’s a “how do you like that?” reaction, which delights Ferguson, since Ferguson was just making this very point.

If you can’t stand the crosstalk, stay out of the studio, Simon.


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Saw this live this afternoon. Great comments by Ben Ferguson when Simon Rosenberg was taking off his microphone and walk off.

Mike Morrissey on May 26, 2011 at 8:14 PM

ussy-Pay.

Solly on May 26, 2011 at 8:16 PM

There’s always the Al Gore Debate Method of exhaling heavily into an open mic while your opponent answers a question.

Left Coast Right Mind on May 26, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Those parents sure raised a moody girl…

Jeddite on May 26, 2011 at 8:18 PM

Eh. Ferguson seemed like a jerk, even though Rosenberg seemed no better. The crosstalk on the talking head shows is tiresome, but if it’s going to happen, it should at least be to state more substantive points. All Ferguson did was blurt out “fearmongering” a number of times. If you’re going to interrupt, make it count.

MadisonConservative on May 26, 2011 at 8:19 PM

V-A DAY…….

“Victory for America” Day.

…….November 6, 2012

530 days.

http://www.7is7.com/otto/countdsamp.html

PappyD61 on May 26, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Yeah, this guy is a regular on Fox and is a real tool.

carbon_footprint on May 26, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Thanks for playing.

Tool.

hillbillyjim on May 26, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Ferguson is an asshole. He may be right but he has no business on TV. This is what is turning people off to these type of shows. We need an old school teacher to come out and slap their hands and say only one speak at a time. I personally think it is the job of the TV host to do this but they are all gutless. Just cut thier mikes!

inspectorudy on May 26, 2011 at 8:23 PM

I saw this exchange this morning and it was epic!

Simon is a schmuck! He cannot defend his indefensible position that the democraps are playing games with medicare and fear mongering.

Kini on May 26, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Will have to dvr you Ed :)

cmsinaz on May 26, 2011 at 8:26 PM

“There is NO compromise with Democrats”.

TRUE WORDS.

This is why their party must be DESTROYED…..Mercilessly.

PappyD61 on May 26, 2011 at 8:26 PM

5 steps to a better tool

cmsinaz on May 26, 2011 at 8:28 PM

HaHa, good clip. FoxNews should run it again and again.

Marcus on May 26, 2011 at 8:28 PM

That elitist didn’t want to be there from the beginning and was looking for a reason to leave. Someone should tell him that if he would stop saying stupid sh*t, others wouldn’t talk over him.

Mallard T. Drake on May 26, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Ok, is it not true that Ryan’s plan will not affect anyone 55 or older???

Why is this not pointed out every time one of these mealy mouthed tools brings up the ‘Old Folks are Gonna DIE!!’ crap???

BigWyo on May 26, 2011 at 8:29 PM

You’re working a bit late Ed. Where’s Allah?

Mallard T. Drake on May 26, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Comments on YouTube where this video is posted, points out a good point that this smear strategy by the demopoops to destroy medicare, and the economy, is not getting enough attention.

Der Slickmeister Willy laid it out.

Kini on May 26, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Tru dat pappy….its their way or the highway….kinda like those in the ME

cmsinaz on May 26, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Kindergarten kids everywhere are suddenly feeling superior after that exchange.

hillbillyjim on May 26, 2011 at 8:30 PM

engagement

Jon Fezzik on May 26, 2011 at 8:33 PM

While I agree with Ferguson, he was rude. Rosenberg did overreact with his little tantrum. Both of them need to grow up.

DeathB4Tyranny on May 26, 2011 at 8:33 PM

You’re a poopy-head.

No, you’re a poopy-head. Nanner nanner nanner!!!

hillbillyjim on May 26, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Did anyone else catch the fact that at 3:34 Rosenburg talked over Ferguson? Typical Liberal hypocrisy.

Al-Ozarka on May 26, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Simon just has that look of a textbook liberal. He acts like it too.

stldave on May 26, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Ferguson could have been a tad more diplomatic, but seriously, Rosenberg just oozes condescension every time he appears. Nose in the air and smarter than anyone else in the room kind of crap. The kind of guy you just want to slap. With an open hand. Twice.

Ok, I’m done.

Tim Zank on May 26, 2011 at 8:42 PM

KO’d in the first round!

ROFLMAO!!

Saltysam on May 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Have you noticed it’s always Democrats who walk off sets? You never see a Republican doing that.

Also, homeboy needs a haircut. I can’t stand that silly looking moptop anymore.

SoulGlo on May 26, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Go change your maxi-pad Simon.

NeoKong on May 26, 2011 at 8:58 PM

What a clown.

But, as I said earlier in the week, the Democrat strategy is abdication.

Chris of Rights on May 26, 2011 at 9:00 PM

I could tell the lib by the smirk. Right off the bat.

ronsfi on May 26, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Ferguson should not have been such an annoying azzhole, but the other should not have acted like a spoiled brat. Walk off and you forfeit.

Southernblogger on May 26, 2011 at 9:08 PM

SoulGlo on May 26, 2011 at 8:56 PM

It happens

Southernblogger on May 26, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Simon just has that look of a textbook liberal. He acts like it too.

stldave on May 26, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Yeah…kinda like he’s got a hot soldering iron exploring the ‘old dirt road’…..

BigWyo on May 26, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Something tells me Rosenberg’s high school yearbook photo would be nerd central.

keep the change on May 26, 2011 at 9:32 PM

We’re going to go home and NOT propose a budget!!

What do you think about that you poopyheads!?

Nethicus on May 26, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Simon didn’t do himself any favors, other than make people feel like is he’s a self-important pseudo-intellectual that loves to hear himself talk. Frankly, telling us the Ryan plan will kill people when the libprogarxists have done absolutely nothing to fix the coming train wreck is getting very old. Time is running out. Put up or shut up you disgusting democrats.

ClanDerson on May 26, 2011 at 9:53 PM

There’s always the Al Gore Debate Method of exhaling heavily into an open mic while your opponent answers a question.

Left Coast Right Mind on May 26, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Indeed. But don’t forget the rolling eyes back.

itsnotaboutme on May 26, 2011 at 9:55 PM

What the dolt wanted was to ramble on unchecked. Luckily he was not allowed to do so. Did he go on a political talk show thinking that people do not interrupt one another?

CWforFreedom on May 26, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Erm, I kinda identify with dude that walked off. It is idiotic to have two hacks yelling at each other for a 5 min. segment. No real information is in play for these things, just quick little sound-bite gotchas.

Stupid format, glad he walked off.

Aquateen Hungerforce on May 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM

What interview were some of you folks watching? As crosstalk goes, this was basically nothing. If you thought this was bad, you must not watch these things very often. As for Ben cutting off the poor liberal, with the ridiculous nonsense he was spewing, he should have been cut off. I would have too, only I would have been more blunt about it and called him the liar that he was/is.

Sidenote: I don’t watch these shows much anymore, but not because of the crosstalk. I simply can’t stand the constant lying by the democrats.

xblade on May 26, 2011 at 10:22 PM

What, did you guys want the dem to talk forever? As soon a the segment started you could tell the guy thought it was such a pain to be there.

Also, when a guy lies to your face, you need to call him on it and why be polite about it?

Vince on May 26, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Guess a lot of people here don’t want conservatives to call out pinkos when they demagogue (the liberal’s first, second and last argument these days, it seems) conservative positions without ever offering solutions of their own. Who says that Tim Pawlenty being boring is a problem? Evidently many here are enthused (?) by boring conservatives.

besser tot als rot on May 26, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Fox News blonde: “This is a topic that gets very heated and very ugly in Washington and around the country.”

Really? Where? What is she talking about?

Outside of political blogs and 24/7 cable, I haven’t seen anyone getting heated or even caring much.

Go RBNY on May 26, 2011 at 10:37 PM

What, did you guys want the dem to talk forever?

Vince on May 26, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Until he walked around, seemed like the Dem talked nearly the entire segment (other than a brief intro and a few “fearmongering” statements). The awkward cross-talk at the end was obvious the result of satellite delays.

besser tot als rot on May 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM

What a whisker biscuit. LMAO

deedtrader on May 26, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Stupid format, glad he walked off.

Aquateen Hungerforce on May 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM

They guy had plenty of time . Seriously did he or you not expect that he would be interrupted? Really??? So many dimwits.

CWforFreedom on May 26, 2011 at 10:57 PM

this is practically a paint-by-numbers primer on the Democratic strategy on entitlement reform.

This is why I love, LOVE Hot Air!

For the record, I also love Ferguson; the man is on his game & never backs down. Rosensburg acted like a child. I watched the segment live and was stunned when he unplugs his mic & left during a live interview. Grow Up!

TN Mom on May 26, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Good lord, that chick is delicious.

Jaibones on May 26, 2011 at 11:35 PM

The guy completely lies about the Ryan plan, it is not going to kill anyone. Seniors 55+ will keep exactly what they have now and people under 55 will see changes that put more control back into their hands.

That was so awesome. Ben Ferguson usually riles the crap out of the people he is debating and I love it. LMAO!

kagai on May 26, 2011 at 11:38 PM

Sorry, there was *no* need to try to be nice to the guy claiming it’s a FACT that Ryan’s plan will kill millions of old people early – a FACT, mind you.

Interrupting that guy the way Ferguson did was the most polite and professional way that could’ve been handled – I wouldn’t have been as gracious.

Midas on May 26, 2011 at 11:52 PM

Yeah, it’s time we quit pussyfooting around with these libtards. Get in their faces. The time for being nice is over….they’re ruining our country. Talk over the little pantywaist…..who cares. Aw, gee, he got upset and left. Good!

susieq2cute on May 27, 2011 at 12:45 AM

CWforFreedom on May 26, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Just because idiots like you are entertained by hacks yelling at each other for 5 mins. doesn’t make it a good format.

You get your infotainment, I’ll learn stuff.

Dimwit.

Aquateen Hungerforce on May 27, 2011 at 12:52 AM

Did the guy lose his gig w/ the vagina monologue troop

esnap on May 27, 2011 at 2:20 AM

blink on May 27, 2011 at 2:03 AM

Ya see, that’s what I’m talking about. The entire clip is 5 min 33 sec. Dude didn’t drone on and on forever because the whole goddamned thing only took 5 min 33 sec. Of which he almost certainly talked for less than 2 min total.

Good God.

Aquateen Hungerforce on May 27, 2011 at 3:58 AM

Make me choose between Rosenberg, a whiner with no ideas, and Ben Ferguson, an ‘azzhole’ with ideas . . .

Uhhhh, I’m goin with the azzhole.

BigAlSouth on May 27, 2011 at 6:52 AM

MadisonConservative on May 26, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Yeah, a rather cliched demonstration of Yell-e-vision.

MJBrutus on May 27, 2011 at 6:57 AM

Must suck to be a Marxist pu$$y

MNHawk on May 27, 2011 at 7:20 AM

He didn’t walk out….. He went to get a slurpee!

grapeknutz on May 27, 2011 at 7:40 AM

Fleebagger flees Fox News!

Buy Danish on May 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM

itsnotaboutme on May 26, 2011 at 9:55 PM

You forgot hand clapping and turning your back a la Weiner

PJ Emeritus on May 27, 2011 at 7:57 AM

The real goal here was for an “intellectual” to drop the, “Fact; Paul Ryan’s plan would kill more seniors…” line. He just needed to get it out in a clear and concise manner and then his job was done. People (libs and moderates with short attention spans) watching will take that sound bite and remember it, whereas even if Ferguson had told what Ryan’s plan really does, it wouldn’t have mattered because people would have had to pay attention and thought for a couple of seconds…sad to say, but it’s easier to be lazy. The Republican party needs to come up with a counter-argument that is short and to the point and demeans the demagoguery of any leftist that states it.

I don’t think Rosenberg got in a huff over this, I think it was planned and it did it quite well. As Ed implied, perfect form of the Democrat methodology.

Geministorm on May 27, 2011 at 8:00 AM

Yes, Ferguson interupted him, but he would have continued spewing Dem talking points the entire time amounting to a free ad against the GOP.

John Deaux on May 27, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Stick out your bottom lip Lib.

shick on May 27, 2011 at 8:59 AM

Big girls dont cry, girls boys don’t cry

Big girls don’t cry (they don’t cry)
Big girls don’t cry (who said they don’t cry)
My girl said good-bye (my oh my)
My girl didn’t cry (I wonder why)

(Silly boy) Told my girl we had to break up
(Silly boy) Thought that she would call my bluff
(Silly boy) But she said to my surprise
Big girls don’t cry

Big girls don’t cry (they don’t cry)
Big girls don’t cry (who said they don’t cry)

Baby I was cruel (I was cruel)
Baby I’m a fool (I’m such a fool)

(Silly girl) Shame on you your Mama said
(Silly girl) Shame on you, you cried in bed
(Silly girl) Shame on you, you told a lie
Big girls do cry

Big girls don’t cry (they don’t cry)
Big girls don’t cry (that’s just an alibi)

shick on May 27, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Expect nothing more from these morons. And to think one of them is actually the President of the United States!!!!!!!

ultracon on May 27, 2011 at 9:08 AM

But Barney’s problem with this latest “bias and vitriol” is that it doesn’t come from the Herald. It comes from a New York Times [NYT] reporter, Gretchen Morgenson — a Pulitzer Prize winner — in a new book, “Reckless Endangerment.”

Morgenson accused Barney of getting a job for his boyfriend on a show a couple of days ago on, of all places, National Public Radio.

Another bastion of anti-gay bias and vitriol.

J_Crater on May 27, 2011 at 9:53 AM

The lib talked for 40 seconds longer before storming off the show.

101 seconds compared to 61 sconds

I like how he qualifies his “FACT” with an “interpretation” otherwise known as an opinion.

Butters on May 27, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Ferguson could have been a tad more diplomatic, but seriously, Rosenberg just oozes condescension every time he appears. Nose in the air and smarter than anyone else in the room kind of crap. The kind of guy you just want to slap. With an open hand. Twice.

Ok, I’m done.

Tim Zank on May 26, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Why stope there?

Yeah, it’s time we quit pussyfooting around with these libtards. Get in their faces. The time for being nice is over….they’re ruining our country. Talk over the little pantywaist…..who cares. Aw, gee, he got upset and left. Good!

susieq2cute on May 27, 2011 at 12:45 AM

This a 1000 times over. We have been too nice for too long. It is time to stand up and fight and point out the lies.

akerralls on May 27, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Honestly. Ferguson is an a$$hole! I would have left too.

Some of Ed’s points above are correct. But, we get NOWHERE if we cannot engage the other side, and have respect for our opponents – at the very least, enough to allow them to speak.

This was Fox News. It takes a lot to get dems on those shows at all. Now, we have some moron stifling conversation.

Nice job di¢kle$$.

Pablo Snooze on May 27, 2011 at 11:08 AM

Argue with an empty chair… A metafor for the current state of political discourse.

Listen to me and don’t argue or….. I QUIT

Kuffar on May 27, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Hey Simon, I didn’t hear anyone say “Simon Says, LEAVE.”
You just left. I think that means you lost the game…

roxi618 on May 27, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Aquateen Hungerforce, do you care to comment on this math? Btw, you do know what proportionally means, right?

blink on May 27, 2011 at 10:17 AM

If you’re the type of idiot that thinks 100 seconds is a lot of time to discuss any issue, much less one like Medicare reform, then you really shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

You do know what vote means, right?

Aquateen Hungerforce on May 27, 2011 at 5:42 PM