Video: In the wake of NY-26, Ryan messages back on Medicare

posted at 12:38 pm on May 25, 2011 by Tina Korbe

It’s too late for Jane Corwin, but it’s not too late for Republicans planning to run in 2012. They still have time to master the Medicare message — and they’d better, if they want to win. But, more importantly, conservative candidates need to articulate the facts clearly precisely because they’re facts. Medicare can’t sustain itself much longer unless Congress takes action and, so far, the House-passed budget is the only Congressional proposal to seriously tackle entitlement reform.

Today, Rep. Paul Ryan made that crystal clear with the release of “The Path to Prosperity (Episode 2): Saving Medicare, Visualized.”

“If we do nothing, Medicare will nearly double in the next decade, exhausting its remaining funds,” Ryan says in the video.

The video’s effective infographics highlight the indisputable and alarming reality: The average American household spends 50 times more today on health care than it did in 1960. Health care spending now equals 17.6 percent of our economy — a full 11 points higher than the 5.6 percent it represented in 1960. And 10,000 Baby Boomers are added to Medicare every day.

The president’s plan, Ryan points out, would merely insert a panel of bureaucrats between Medicare and health care providers and between those providers and their patients. Those unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats would determine how much Medicare should pay for medical services, as well as what services doctors should provide their patients.

“These are price controls and we’ve tried them before,” Ryan says. “They encourage more consumption and force doctors to charge their non-Medicare patients more. That pushes costs up not down.”

How is it even possible for conservatives to lose this debate? The NY-26 special election shows us how, as Ryan explained on Fox News this morning.

“[NY-26] is a preview of scare tactics, distortions, demagoguery to try to scare seniors into voting for them,” he said. “The irony of it is we’re the ones directly protecting Medicare’s current benefits for current seniors.”

But political pandering will beat out the truth only if candidates fail to make the truth clear or if voters don’t have the courage to accept it.

Ryan, at least, is confident the truth will get out by 2012.

“We have a year and a half and I believe, in a year and a half’s time, the truth will be out and the facts will be known,” he continued on Fox.

This video is an effective step in that direction.

Update: This post originally misstated the average American household spends 50 times more today on Medicare than it did in 1960. Actually, the average American household spends 50 times more today on health care than it did in 1960.


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The average American household spends 50 times more today on Medicare than it did in 1960.

Not Medicare, health care in general. I do not think Medicare existed in 1960.

WashJeff on May 25, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Eh, the GOP should be glad the rebuke came a year and a half early… the Ryan plan has absolutely no chance of passing and hoisting this on the GOP’s eventual nominee for President is sadistically stupid.

There should be a full court press defending Ryan and a slow backing away from it…

Republicans can’t win with spending cuts but they can win with spending caps. The Republicans should have agreed to capping the growth of spending at a hard 3% with a goal of eventually keeping the federal government at a flimsy 20% of GDP spending. They should have put out multiple plans within that framework and invited the broader public to make their own plans in that framework(YouCut doesn’t cut it). Individual cuts should always be talked about as being prioritizing for other spending and the 3%/20% framework should be constantly brought up. This needs to be a long term effort and Republicans who fall out of line should automatically lose support of the RNC/NRSC/RNCC and be primaried.

The most important part of a 3%/20% framework for the Republicans is:
1. If the 3%/20% framework is propagated hard enough and long enough it would detach spending from tax collection. There would be much less “Hey, if we just tax the rich more we could get these goodies”.
2. It pits the government against itself more forcefully.
3. It’s simple and it’s much easier to sell and defend to the American people.

The American people want cruise control out of their government. They do not want a crash nor do they want acceleration. Americans want things to be prioritized, they do not want to stuff or starve the beast.

Federal Spending Cap: Corker vs. 3%
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/federal-spending-cap-corker-vs-3/

ninjapirate on May 25, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Well it’s a good start. Newt surely didn’t help with his trash talking of Ryan’s plan. The Dems jumped right on it and the LSM was more than happy to repeat it….

sandee on May 25, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Voting on the Ryan plan was a major unforced error. It makes no sense to vote for a politically toxic plan that has no chance of becoming law anyway.

Jon0815 on May 25, 2011 at 12:43 PM

BTW, the GOP can Win the Future for bringing up the Ryan Plan if in the future people see two things…

1. The Dems were ridiculous demagogues
2. The Dems didn’t offer up a serious alternative

While/if backing away from the Ryan plan, these are the things that should be emphasized.

ninjapirate on May 25, 2011 at 12:45 PM

BTW, it’s important not to back away form it too soon… and it’s important that those in the RINO side of things who back out the soonest also take pot shots at the Dems for being demagogues who offer up no serious alternatives.

ninjapirate on May 25, 2011 at 12:48 PM

I say we go with the Scott Brown plan; just cut down on the waste, fraud, and abuse — or something. We’ll save trillions!!!!

PackerBronco on May 25, 2011 at 12:48 PM

It’s too late for Jane Corwin, but it’s not too late for Republicans planning to run in 2012.

By all means let’s buy into the Dem meme on NY-26. Corwin lost because Davis took so many votes from her. Davis’ entire campaign was a populist rant against free trade. The Rs should master the Medicare message but NY-26 has little to do with it.

Rocks on May 25, 2011 at 12:48 PM

leadership…

mjbrooks3 on May 25, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Voting on the Ryan plan was a major unforced error. It makes no sense to vote for a politically toxic plan that has no chance of becoming law anyway.

Jon0815 on May 25, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Politically that’s probably true and Ryan’s mistake was in thinking that the problem was so obvious and so inescapable that it people on both sides of the aisle would HAVE to deal with it.

It looks like he was wrong.

Of course, the problem is not only with the politicians, it’s also with the public. As Milton Friedman once said, “the goal is not to elect the perfect candidates, the goal is to make politically necessary for the wrong people to do the right things.” We are going to get the Mother of all Economic messes and we will deserve it when it comes.

Ryan is the Casandra of this age, and we all know what happened with her.

PackerBronco on May 25, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Instead, Corwin completely flip-flopped and tried to out-Left the democrat according to Business Insider. Shame on her.

SouthernGent on May 25, 2011 at 12:53 PM

So we cap spending at 20% which is above income at this point, and never pay off the debt… Check.

WitchDoctor on May 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Best you can read today, to worry about, and try to save your republic

Thugs all around

One basic principle of the rule of law is that laws apply to everybody. If the sign says “No Parking,” you’re not supposed to park there even if you’re a pal of the alderman.

Another principle of the rule of law is that government can’t make up new rules to help its cronies and hurt its adversaries except through due process, such as getting a legislature to pass a new law.

The Obamacare waiver process appears to violate that first rule. Two other recent Obama administration actions appear to violate the second.

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Good. You’re learning from the election defeat. The Dems will stop at nothing and have no shame or remorse. I believe in you, Ryan. Make it happen.

John the Libertarian on May 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Wow, adults in Washington D.C. who would of thought?

Stop being a bunch of spineless clowns. If the GOP loses this fight because the left scares old people with lies – then let the Dems own the impending economic collapse.

Stop being part of the problem and join the cause. You’ll feel better. And we have cookies.

spec_ops_mateo on May 25, 2011 at 12:56 PM

I’m glad he’s doing this…but it does really show that most Rs are dumb as bricks. I’m not saying I want a bunch of Mensa people to lead the country…but politicians should be bright enough to read the Ryan plan and understand the current dynamics of the country (including the electorate) and figure out a strategy for communication.

They are paid well, they have staffs…really I think they are mostly small people who have the gift of gab, look the part and are willing to stab others in the back to get elected.

In the debate i saw Corwin was unprepared for the shrill demagogy, and the chicago style fake candidate of the “tea party”. I assume her R sponsors probably thought the seat was very safe, put a friend on the ticket, and went back to their golf games.

r keller on May 25, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Paul Ryan is the ONLY adult in the room right now. As a Wisconsinite I would be more than happy to cast a vote for him as POTUS. Outstanding family from Janesville and a realistic thinker with a plan. As opposed to a Jug Eared Thug without a plan….

psychocyber on May 25, 2011 at 12:57 PM

I love Paul Ryan. But this will go down as one of the biggest political blunders in history. Especially for what was at stake in 2012 (like a ’10 repeat).

It was unforced and unneeded. And it had no chance to pass the Senate and/or signed by Obama.

So instead of hammering them on gas, debt, deficit, Obamacare, unemployment… we’re on the defense.

Dumb!

kevinkristy on May 25, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Obama and his thugs are the most impertinent bunch that ever lived and ruled.

There have been more savage ones, but never bigger charlatans.

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2011 at 12:57 PM

[Rocks on May 25, 2011 at 12:48 PM]

Corwin lost because she didn’t fight. And the Medicare issue, and by default the Ryan Plan, was a very significant part in the race.

Dusty on May 25, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Breaking news Tornado on the ground heading to Kansas City Kansas Overland Park I435, I70, I35 I470!!!

bluefox on May 25, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Sadly, I don’t think the republicans have the cajones to trumpet this….. they are too afraid of being savaged by the liberal media. Beohner and McConnell aren’t worth the air they breathe.

ultracon on May 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM

[kevinkristy on May 25, 2011 at 12:57 PM]

We’re on the defense because we aren’t on offense. It’s ridiculous to to say we ought to be fighting about something else than the Medicare Plan that is only a part of Ryan’s Plan when we won’t fight on those issues either.

Scott Brown? He won’t fight for the Ryan Plan. Is he fighting on any of the issues you mention?

Olympia Snowe? What’s she been in front of a gaggle of reporters fighting on?

Susan Collins? What’s she fighting on?

Any of the squeamish silent majority of R’s who have run for the hills to avoid looking like they support the Ryan Plan, what have they been pounding the Obama led Dems on?

Dusty on May 25, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Here is the problem:

The issues Ryan and others point out may be accurate, right and necessary; however – that has nothing to do with the ability of people to recognize it and or make it an issue to vote upon.

Sorry, it isn’t. While millions are effected by this – they are also effected by issues so far out of comprehension, it doesnt matter.

What does matter is results. Take any successful company who ranks high on employees ranking of said company… what they love is the result – and quite frankly couldnt care nor understand the complexities of accounting practices alone that achieve this result. Because they dont have to.

American voters are the same – select an issue hot right now (um.. maybe the economy), then dumb it down for the masses of asses to understand what the result to them is.
Stay away from “debt ceiling limits/default rate/ etc, etc” and just flat out conclude: “My plan helps the economy, including seniors.”

For the 58th time GOP (I know you are reading)- talk about the benefits and stay the hell away form features, for its the perfect trap for Dems to argue every single word, phrase, chart, etc with… a direct benefit “Granny dies”

I dont agree with their tactics – but someone needs a clue in the GOP on how to fight and win.

Odie1941 on May 25, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Democrats slashed $500 billion in Medicare.

They lost the House.

Let’s stop giving a d4mn about LBJ’s monstrous program and let it rot.

Apologetic California on May 25, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Granny is going over the cliff in a wheelchair!!!!!!!

The Repblicans are just like Adolph Hitler!!!!!!

Boogida-boogida-booooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This still works?

profitsbeard on May 25, 2011 at 1:09 PM

The video was good but it needs numbers – how much will my voucher be per year if I earned X dollars per year.

rjl1999 on May 25, 2011 at 1:10 PM

sandee on May 25, 2011 at 12:42 PM

yepper

cmsinaz on May 25, 2011 at 1:11 PM

The video was good but it needs numbers – how much will my voucher be per year if I earned X dollars per year.

rjl1999 on May 25, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Right. Also-what happens when my voucher runs out?

crr6 on May 25, 2011 at 1:11 PM

the Ryan plan is perfect…support it!!!

Justrand on May 25, 2011 at 1:11 PM

This still works?

profitsbeard on May 25, 2011 at 1:09 PM

And you thought our public school system was not effective.

WashJeff on May 25, 2011 at 1:13 PM

profitsbeard on May 25, 2011 at 1:09 PM

it did in NY and if the gop do not get in front of this message NOW, it will still work because the sheeple keep drinking the dems kool-aid

cmsinaz on May 25, 2011 at 1:13 PM

I get it, I really do, but I think focusing too much on Medicare does little more than scare people who will rally ’round it based on the demagoguing that the libs/media will continue to do.

Can Republicans simply not keep it simple, to 2 or 3 points of focus that *everyone* fairly well agrees on?

– JOBS (reduce regulations/costs that make businesses not hire/expand)
– DECREASE SPENDING/DEFECITS

Um, and when tempted to expand the scope, well… just *don’t*. Simply respond that we’re doing what we have to do to improve the economy, help businesses create jobs, and reduce the federal governments’ footprint and spending that is ruining everyone’s future.

Stop getting pulled off the main path into skirmishes about crap where the libs frame the debate.

Midas on May 25, 2011 at 1:13 PM

OT: andrea is badgering bibi big time…truly atrocious behavior on her part….

cmsinaz on May 25, 2011 at 1:15 PM

what happens when my voucher runs out?

crr6 on May 25, 2011 at 1:11 PM

What happens when Medicare runs out of money?

If your voucher does not cover the cost of your monthly premiums, you make up the difference or you choose a less costly plan.

WashJeff on May 25, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Average Americans are too stupid to understand this. It’s much easier to listen to ABC and CBS and fall for the Liberal Spin; Begging for Obama’s the Death Panels.

Let’s face it: “We have the government that we deserve.” He said clinging to his Guns and God!

SayNo2-O on May 25, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Every relatively free people deserve their leaders. Self-destruct, yourselves and your progeny.

crr6 will thank you for a lavish looter’s life.

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2011 at 1:16 PM

For the 58th time GOP (I know you are reading)- talk about the benefits and stay the hell away form features, for its the perfect trap for Dems to argue every single word, phrase, chart, etc with… a direct benefit “Granny dies”

I dont agree with their tactics – but someone needs a clue in the GOP on how to fight and win.

Odie1941 on May 25, 2011 at 1:08 PM

yes, Yes, YES. Well said.

Midas on May 25, 2011 at 1:16 PM

There is so much money sitting there to be utilized by insurance companies to provide better care at much less the cost of Medicare. For example: I recently read that there is at least $60B waste in Medicare payments to fraud. That will never be corrected as long as the gov’t is in charge, but most of it would be screened out by insurance companies. Then total up the salaries and benefits are paid to Medicare employees. Are you aware that a 15 year gov’t employee received 6 weeks vacation and all receive 4 weeks sick leave per year. Many employees take all of that leave and when they do, that means they only have to work 9 mo of the year for full annual salary. An insurance company would not be as generous with salary or benefits. Nor would they hire as many people or as many managers and supervisors. Don’t be confused when the gov’t tells you that insurance companies spend too much on administration. Part of that cost is in controlling for accurate payments eliminating abuse and fraud. Medicare never shows the erroneous payment as part of their administrative costs. I have always wished that I could have retained my insurance company as my primary payer, but it was a requirement that Medicare be primary once I turned 65. I have years of experience in both the insurance industry and in HHS and know which is the best deal financially and for medical purposes.

Oleta on May 25, 2011 at 1:16 PM

S/b “all relatively free people”, but SayNo2-O had it right.

Also, go gulching.

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2011 at 1:17 PM

DECREASE SPENDING/DEFECITS


Stop getting pulled off the main path into skirmishes about crap where the libs frame the debate.

Midas on May 25, 2011 at 1:13 PM

How do you talk about spending and deficits without talking about Medicare and SOcSec when those two items are the primary drivers of the deficit?

WashJeff on May 25, 2011 at 1:19 PM

We’re on the defense because we aren’t on offense.

This is a great point… I’m no Sarah Palin fan but “Death Panels” was genius… and Krauthemer and many of the elites were wrong to poo-poo that…

Come on GOP PR People… memify this: The Democrats replaced a half a billion in Medicaid with a death panel…

The problem with the Ryan Plan is that it seems the GOP leadership thought they were going on offensive with it and instead gave the Dems a huge opening. They should have went firm with a spending cap(3% growth per year in spending firm and eventually a flimsy 20% of GDP total) and floated around multiple plans.

Also, the GOP needs to stop shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to demographics… take care of old people and don’t sell out on immigration.

ninjapirate on May 25, 2011 at 1:20 PM

How do you talk about spending and deficits without talking about Medicare and SOcSec when those two items are the primary drivers of the deficit?

WashJeff on May 25, 2011 at 1:19 PM

They’re big, but they’re not the reason (not solely) that the deficit under Obama will double the deficit incurred by all previous Presidents. They have to be part of the plan, but the GOP spends way too much time in the weeds going over the details instead of keeping it simple from the public perspective.

Get into the details and the public’s eyes start spinning in their heads. Hey, the Dems are keeping it simple with “Ryan’s killing Granny”, while the GOP keep busy with “well, if we look at Exhibit 89-F on page 374 of the proposal, we can clearly see that the Sustainability Quotient juxtaposed with the Feasbility Index is not in a favorable condition – should we continue on our current revenue/spending trajectory, of course. Now, moving on to the Fetzer Matrix, we can clearly see…”

*sigh*

Midas on May 25, 2011 at 1:30 PM

half a billion in MedicaidMedicare

ninjapirate on May 25, 2011 at 1:31 PM

Unbelievable… Based on some of the comments I see here the presidential elections of 2012 (that is, 18 MONTHS away) are already lost, and you shouldn’t attempt anything at all that may not pass (a.k.a politics as usual). With that mindset you can bet all is lost. That is exactly what the left does- create an image that they are winning until you submit to their whims.

Stop being “armchair” warriors if you don’t want the messaging out there and start doing what the left does so well- putting out a message. Granted, theirs is demagogic since that is all they can do. Or is this defeatist mindset so broad that you think the American people is to dumb to understand information like the one in the video above when presented with no plan from the other side?

ptcamn on May 25, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Corwin’s loss in NY-26 was because she adopted Ryan’s plan without fully understanding it and being able to defend it. Then in walks the NEWT and kicks the stool out from under her (somehow NY politics and Newt are a dangerous combinartion a la Scozzafava) and Ryan. The RINOS in DC would rather wallow around in the warm mud of the good ol’ days where they didn’t have to fight for anything and pig-out at the earmark trough; then in walks ol’ NEWT and forbids them to even mention “entitlements” in 2012. We gave the House back to the Pubbies in spades and the thanks we get is a yellow-streak!

Bob in VA on May 25, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Or is this defeatist mindset so broad that you think the American people is to dumb to understand information like the one in the video above when presented with no plan from the other side?

ptcamn on May 25, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Based on the 2008 election and Obama’s continued high polling numbers (shouldn’t he really be nearing single digit favorability by now?), yeah – I’m fairly well leaning toward the “too dumb” frame of mind right now with regard to large segments of the populace.

Midas on May 25, 2011 at 1:37 PM

Ryan’s plan is not a voucher plan as he explained on “Morning Joe.” It offers premium support just as the program for members of Congress does. Seniors choose from several approved insurance programs that offer the best coverage for the money, and seniors cannnot be denied being enrolled in the insurance program of their choice. Instead of the government with its faceless, unelected bureaucrats of panels determining the price of the service and what is covered, the insurance program chosen by the client does not get between the patient and the health-care provider.

Rep. Paul Ryan admitted that shameless Dem demagoguery had a negative impact on NY-26. He also clarified the mischaracterizations on “Morning Joe.” He appears to have even convinced Mika that his ideas make sense.

Watch the outtake: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/268089/re-ryan-fights-back-medicare-andrew-stiles

onlineanalyst on May 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Based on some of the comments I see here the presidential elections of 2012 (that is, 18 MONTHS away) are already lost, and you shouldn’t attempt anything at all that may not pass (a.k.a politics as usual).

When you’re out of power you should advocate the most “general-specific” policy that won’t get you in trouble yet gives you political capital to implement the details later…

A good “general-specific” policy for the GOP would be a spending cap… and then they should float many different plans that adhere to that spending cap. A RINO plan, a Ron Paul Plan, a Neo-Con plan, whatevers… and even try to get buy-in from the Dems to specific plans that adhere to the spending cap. And then try to normalize it while adhering to the spending cap. Republicans who don’t adhere to the spending cap should be primaried and gotten rid of.

ninjapirate on May 25, 2011 at 1:43 PM

start doing what the left does so well- putting out a message.
ptcamn on May 25, 2011 at 1:33 PM

The left doesn’t just put out a message it LIES, LIES $ LIES.

The Right needs to take that lesson to heart and stard playing Hardball.

Something like: Obama isn’t trying to pull the less fortunate into the middle class, he’s decided to Destroy the middle class so everyone without a pension will be part for the Poverty Class. If you don’t have a Pension YOU ARE Headed Into the POVERTY CLASS.

Lets give that a whirle in 2012.

That’s Change you can believe in!

SayNo2-O on May 25, 2011 at 1:50 PM

[Bob in VA on May 25, 2011 at 1:35 PM]

Great point. It was already a tough race for Corwin because Schumer had painted a bullseye on her and pulled out all the guns to help Hochul. It didn’t help one whit for Newt to shoot off his mouth about just to advance his personal Presidential ambitions.

Unintended consequences of being a loose cannon. But I’d also note that while Corwin may have adopted it without fully understanding it, there are such things as cell phones and she could have called someone to ‘get herself some knowledge.’ The campaign lasted more than a day.

Dusty on May 25, 2011 at 1:51 PM

It is indeed hard to argue with facts but like the Peoples Republic of New York, facts simply are not important to the nanny state.

rplat on May 25, 2011 at 1:51 PM

So we just wasted another few days on Medicare.

Obama just reached 53% approval on Gallup today, his highest since February 2010. Amidst a 9% unemployment rate, collapse in the housing market $4/gallon, a war in Libya, and his Jew-hatin.

Please, keep talking about Medicare.

Apologetic California on May 25, 2011 at 1:51 PM

leadership…

mjbrooks3 on May 25, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Precisely. Thank God some one has the courage and integrity to tell the truth.

obladioblada on May 25, 2011 at 1:55 PM

It’s not hard for Democrats to argue facts.

Here – let me demonstrate how they do it:

RACIST! BIGOT! GRANDMA-KILLER! TEABAGGER! RACIST!

There. Argument over. Democrat wins.

Good Lt on May 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM

It’s not hard for Democrats to argue facts.
Here – let me demonstrate how they do it:
RACIST! BIGOT! GRANDMA-KILLER! TEABAGGER! RACIST!
There. Argument over. Democrat wins.
Good Lt on May 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM

We’ll all have to move to France just to gain a little Freedom! Yikes!

SayNo2-O on May 25, 2011 at 2:01 PM

The ALTERNATE headline of this election:

Disgraced shirtless Republican seat handed to Democrat in 3 way election

Freddy on May 25, 2011 at 2:01 PM

If Republicans really wanted to destroy Medicare, all they’d have to do is adopt the Democrats’ plan and support it.

That is, doing nothing and letting Medicare collapse.

Good Lt on May 25, 2011 at 2:01 PM

BTW, the GOP had a huge opportunity to embrace the Simpson-Bowles plan… I believe it was a huge failure politically to not do that… Ryan was wrong to vote against it.

ninjapirate on May 25, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Please, keep talking about Medicare.

Apologetic California on May 25, 2011 at 1:51 PM

So, Republicans are supposed to win elections appealing to the stupid? Promising to close $1.6 trillion deficits with $100 billion in tax increases on “the rich” and $1.5 trillion worth of unicorn farts turned into gold?

If that’s the only way for one to win in this country, this country is no more anyway.

MNHawk on May 25, 2011 at 2:08 PM

[Apologetic California on May 25, 2011 at 1:51 PM]

We just got done talking for 3 days about his Jew-hatin’.

We’ve also talked about Libya, the War Powers Act, his “I don’t need your stinkin’ permission” attitude the last few days.

We talked yesterday about the housing market as well as a big drop in durable goods orders.

We talk about unemployment about every week.

You got anything else? Why don’t you think of something original, or even factual, like “Where the h$ll is Reince Priebus?” or either the RNSC or NRCC in defending against any of the smears by the Dems?

Dusty on May 25, 2011 at 2:09 PM

BTW, the GOP had a huge opportunity to embrace the Simpson-Bowles plan… I believe it was a huge failure politically to not do that… Ryan was wrong to vote against it.

ninjapirate on May 25, 2011 at 2:03 PM

The Simpson-Bowels plan was to hike sending levels to 22%+ of GDP. We have NEVER collected revenues at that level regardless of tax rates!

Freddy on May 25, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Heh, and clicking on the link at the top, David Frum thinks Republicans should do just what I was mocking.

Because “My Party” winning trumps everything. Winning the votes of the stupid trumps everything. Even the future of the country.

Step one. Nobody should get a pass on the Ryan plan, wishy washy Republican or Marxist Democrat, without specifying their alternative. A DETAILED alternative.

MNHawk on May 25, 2011 at 2:19 PM

I kinda wonder if 55 is a good cut off age. Maybe it should be 50. If you only have 10 years to change your savings to prepare for retirement, that could be tough.

It is hard to say since I am unsure how much insurance will cost 10 years from now.

jeffn21 on May 25, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Unless he plans to run for president and become the face of this this is all moot. No GOP presidential nominee is going to carry Ryan’s water for him.

cpaulus on May 25, 2011 at 3:03 PM

The Simpson-Bowels plan was to hike sending levels to 22%+ of GDP.

No, it is 21%… not 22%+….

ninjapirate on May 25, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Ryan needs to run for President so he can’t take on Obama and all the rest in front of the whole nation on their demagoguery.

RonDelDon on May 25, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Unbelievable… Based on some of the comments I see here the presidential elections of 2012 (that is, 18 MONTHS away) are already lost, and you shouldn’t attempt anything at all that may not pass (a.k.a politics as usual). With that mindset you can bet all is lost. That is exactly what the left does- create an image that they are winning until you submit to their whims.

Stop being “armchair” warriors if you don’t want the messaging out there and start doing what the left does so well- putting out a message. Granted, theirs is demagogic since that is all they can do. Or is this defeatist mindset so broad that you think the American people is to dumb to understand information like the one in the video above when presented with no plan from the other side?

ptcamn on May 25, 2011 at 1:33 PM

I think your 2 issues compete with each other. A) Yes – Americans, as a whole are masses of asses. I could write 4 novels on how and why – its not even an issue. B) This guy (me) does messaging/comm for public/private/org and political party’s and have for over 20 years. I know what I am doing.

Heres what else I know – the current GOP is a bunch of moderate politicans who will do and say anything to get elected, for its power they want. Its why we get a McCain, Romney, Dole, etc… i.e. why would I approach the failing GOP with a concept they cant fathom in their core?

GETTING THE RINOS OUT is the plan Stan, and I will continue to write their obit’s… you dont offer to help them stay in power. I think we can throw them out AND win in 2012 – across the country; it doesnt have to be 1 or the other.

Hence my support for Palin/Christie/Cain/Rubio, etc. What they share is the lack of soft-wrist politics. Some get caught up in 1 issue that doesnt meet their artifical “checklist of candidates”, social con, abortion!!!!!!!! and while important – have nothing to do with what it takes to change the GOP and what it takes to win in 2012.

Odie1941 on May 25, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Fight fire with fire.

Produce a series of ads showing granny of the future getting her letter from the feds telling her there is NO MORE MEDICARE. She’s on her own. “Why didn’t the government do anything to fix this,” Granny pleads, as she packs up her house to sell to pay for her medical care. “The Republicans tried,” says the voice over, “but the democrats lied, scared everyone, and said everything was going to be fine with Medicare. It got them re-elected, so they just didn’t care that senior citizens in the future would be left fending for themselves. They. Just. Didn’t. Care.”

Rational Thought on May 25, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Fight fire with fire.

Produce a series of ads showing granny of the future getting her letter from the feds telling her there is NO MORE MEDICARE. She’s on her own. “Why didn’t the government do anything to fix this,” Granny pleads, as she packs up her house to sell to pay for her medical care. “The Republicans tried,” says the voice over, “but the democrats lied, scared everyone, and said everything was going to be fine with Medicare. It got them re-elected, so they just didn’t care that senior citizens in the future would be left fending for themselves. They. Just. Didn’t. Care.”

Rational Thought on May 25, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Now we are talking fella… Isnt it amazing you came up with that, for no $$$ – and within a few hours??? Odd how the GOP can’t get their heads around it… could it be they dont want to???

Odie1941 on May 25, 2011 at 3:57 PM

As right as Ryan may be, you can’t put that message into a 30 second commercial or a bumper sticker. The Dem message of ‘ RYAN WILL KILL OLD PEOPLE – well that fits nicely into both.

The average voter will never see this video. But they will see old people killed in about 1000 commercials from now until election day.

angryed on May 25, 2011 at 4:10 PM

What happens when Medicare runs out of money?

Raise taxes. I’d rather do that than ration X amount of care to seniors and then leave them to die if they run out.

If your voucher does not cover the cost of your monthly premiums, you make up the difference or you choose a less costly plan.

WashJeff on May 25, 2011 at 1:15 PM

What if you can’t make up the difference?

crr6 on May 25, 2011 at 4:26 PM