Joe Klein: The result in NY-26 was a “victory for socialism”

posted at 10:17 pm on May 25, 2011 by Allahpundit

He’s crowing about Hochul’s big win and that’s irritating, so I feel obliged to rip on him — and yet, I don’t really disagree. Medicare is socialistic and the public might, might, be attached to it to the point where they prefer not to touch it even though that necessarily means a fiscal crisis sooner rather than later. To quote Bill Clinton: “We’ve got to deal with these things. You cannot have health care devour the economy.” But — maybe you can. Maybe enough of the public is so invested in getting their benefits, whatever the broader consequences, that Medicare reform will remain a politically suicidal position to take until the very day that the dam bursts. I’d like to think that there are enough congressmen willing to commit suicide under those circumstances and vote for reform anyway in the name of preserving fiscal stability. But I don’t.

In fact, I feel increasingly fatalistic about the whole Ryan effort. I hope it works, for my sake and yours, but if he and the GOP really do succeed in educating the public about the consequences of inaction and they end up voting for unsustainability anyway, then fair enough. This problem is, as Ace says, “self-correcting”; those corrections will be more terrible the longer they’re delayed, but I’ll refer you to Mencken for further thoughts on that. Why Democrats would want to inherit full responsibility for dealing with this problem down the road when they could share responsibility with the GOP right now, I have no idea; presumably it’s a simple matter of the logic of electoral politics being “win first, worry later,” even when it comes to a radioactive problem like this. The irony is, if all their Mediscare dreams come true and they win big next year, they’re the ones who’ll have to break the news to the public that for socialism to truly be “victorious,” they’re going to have to hike taxes on the middle class and/or take a scalpel to the cherished Medicare program anyway. That glimmer of schadenfreude is my only comfort as we speed towards the cliff. Click the image to watch.


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So Klein’s argument is that socialism cannot come into power on its own merits, but must use deceit?

malclave on May 25, 2011 at 10:20 PM

It all began with Marx and Engels.

All adherents deserve to live by it, but not as the elite, just as the masses. They s/b forbidden to get back to the Capitalistic lify style.

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Joke Line

Missy on May 25, 2011 at 10:21 PM

The irony is, if all their Mediscare dreams come true and they win big next year, they’re the ones who’ll have to break the news to the public that for socialism to truly be “victorious,” they’re going to have to hike taxes on the middle class and/or take a scalpel to the cherished Medicare program anyway.

Sadly, we’ll all be the ones who pay for their Phyrric victory …and our children.

cynccook on May 25, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Well,

Dead or Alive – You Spin Me Round
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUatnbaNfEo&feature=related

canopfor on May 25, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Every Democrat victory, no matter how slim is a mandate.
Keep spending the money until the system collapses then find the nearest Republican to blame.

NickDeringer on May 25, 2011 at 10:25 PM

The RINOs are to blame. They have gone along with the Democrats to get along, and deluded the public that the current level of Federal spending on entitlements is sustainable. It’s not. The RINOS are abject cowards in this regard. If the voters of NY-26 think otherwise, they are going to learn very quickly that there is only so much other peoples’ money, no matter how they voted.

I look forward to the US default.

Emperor Norton on May 25, 2011 at 10:25 PM

It was said once before here.

Once you let socialism in, it is damn difficult to get rid of it.

Kini on May 25, 2011 at 10:26 PM

The irony is, if all their Mediscare dreams come true and they win big next year, they’re the ones who’ll have to break the news to the public that for socialism to truly be “victorious,” they’re going to have to hike taxes on the middle class and/or take a scalpel to the cherished Medicare program anyway.

No, they’ll find a way to shift blame. Sure everyone’s lives will be miserable, but it isn’t clear to me the Democrats will ever get the blame they deserve. Look at all the places the Democrats run that are pretty awful already. People there still vote Democrat.

zmdavid on May 25, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Election 2012,

its a Time to Choose….which side your on,

for America…..or the USSR!!

canopfor on May 25, 2011 at 10:26 PM

So Klein’s argument is that socialism cannot come into power on its own merits, but must use deceit?

malclave on May 25, 2011 at 10:20 PM

++++++

INC on May 25, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Republicans could use that footage, unedited, and it would be ….well, you know the word.

Marcus on May 25, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Gee, they aren’t even trying to hide their agenda which is communism not socialism. They think by repackaging it as socialism, they can suck people in.

Blake on May 25, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Its 1939,er,1984 on the Animal Farm,
in Brazil!!

canopfor on May 25, 2011 at 10:30 PM

The ‘rats would secretly love to have the reins when the walls come tumbling down.

You don’t ask people what they are willing to endure in times of plenty, you ask them in times of need. The demorat trash would have all sorts of “interesting” ways to deal with a fiscal/economic crash, ways that we remember from the history books about certain failed “republics”.

Bishop on May 25, 2011 at 10:32 PM

None of this makes any sense. Today’s Medicare recipients have nothing to worry about. It’s my generation (Gen-X) that has to live with the fact we’re getting money taken out of our checks to pay for something that won’t be around when I retire. It’s irritating. It’s my freakin’ money. Let me handle it as I see fit.

SouthernGent on May 25, 2011 at 10:33 PM

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canopfor on May 25, 2011 at 10:36 PM

When the Weimar Republic couldn’t pay the reparations payments demanded of them by the French and British, they had no choice but to crank up the printing presses until a postage stamp cost 20 billion Marks. Needless to say, debts were paid off quickly. But then, everyone was ruined for a while. I suspect the US, unwilling to curtail entitlements, will eventually just “print” money until we, too, can all pay off our mortgages with an hours worth of salary and the government’s debts will be laughable. Just be prepared to barter or use gold or silver coins.

NNtrancer on May 25, 2011 at 10:36 PM

The ‘rats would secretly love to have the reins when the walls come tumbling down.

You don’t ask people what they are willing to endure in times of plenty, you ask them in times of need. The demorat trash would have all sorts of “interesting” ways to deal with a fiscal/economic crash, ways that we remember from the history books about certain failed “republics”.

Bishop on May 25, 2011 at 10:32 PM

What a shame we have to repeat history! Of course, I think that history has not really been taught in a long while. Again, shameful!

bluemarlin on May 25, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Let them keep fooling themselves because I honestly think they have no idea how angry the producers in this country really are. Establishment Republicans are sadly a big part of the problem.

ldbgcoleman on May 25, 2011 at 10:38 PM

The irony is, if all their Mediscare dreams come true and they win big next year, they’re the ones who’ll have to break the news to the public that for socialism to truly be “victorious,” they’re going to have to hike taxes on the middle class and/or take a scalpel to the cherished Medicare program anyway.

Here’s how I see that…because they are a basically criminal, thieving class, they don’t care.

These wankers are set for life…nothing is going to touch them. No matter how much the dollar tanks or the economy crumbles, they are still 6, 7 and 8 figure salary people…they aren’t going to starve or have their 2 houses and villa confiscated. They have a built-in escape hatch when the fit hits the shan. All they really need to care about is how to milk the system for as much as they can for as long as they can…that’s all that matters. What happens to everybody else really doesn’t enter into their corrupt pea brains.

AUINSC on May 25, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Obama: “Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America”
July 23 2009
**************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvJJP9AYgqU

canopfor on May 25, 2011 at 10:39 PM

If you promise enough dumb suckers the illusion of Utopia (as long as it includes a stupendously endowed non-rescindable pension and bennies for you and your entrenched deceiver class) it’s all good!

Since, when the bill comes due and the nation goes bust, you’ll still get the guaranteed golden pension and glorious bennies and princely emoluments and lavish perks while the royally-duped all get to lose their houses, their jobs, their 401 k’s and their country!

Hell, you can live in Switzerland on that lovely loot and shake your head over the sad news about collapsing America.

Poor suckers…

profitsbeard on May 25, 2011 at 10:40 PM

Liberals to the Right…Progressives to the Left,
Socialism in da middle…

canopfor on May 25, 2011 at 10:41 PM

The result in NY-26 was a “victory for socialism”

So, all liberal victories are socialist victories….got it Joe.

Rovin on May 25, 2011 at 10:41 PM

What a shame we have to repeat history! Of course, I think that history has not really been taught in a long while. Again, shameful!
bluemarlin on May 25, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Right on brother, but when the public schools are enacting curriculum’s focusing on the history of the LGBT struggle for equality, something else has to be cut.

Here’s the $1 trillion question: Will it be Weimar, the USSR, or some terrible hybrid of the two?

Bishop on May 25, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Four more years….MMM..MMM..MMM!(sarc)

canopfor on May 25, 2011 at 10:41 PM

The idiots in this country will get it good and hard- with no lube- after a 3 month wait.

jjshaka on May 25, 2011 at 10:42 PM

I am fairly adamant about Social Security as a safety net (and doesn’t need to be means tested, because people who don’t need it will simply leave it to their heirs and assigns), but Medicare is much more negotiable for me.

For one thing, Medicare is about 90% of the solvency crisis. And isn’t inheritable.

For another, while I see the benefit that proceeds from keeping the elderly from having to live under a freeway overpass (or in my guest room), there is no real benefit to promising them the most expensive medical care available for as long as they want it, at somebody else’s expense.

Finally, even though I’m approaching retirement age myself, I don’t think we should all want to live forever.

HTL on May 25, 2011 at 10:42 PM

The irony is, if all their Mediscare dreams come true and they win big next year, they’re the ones who’ll have to break the news to the public that for socialism to truly be “victorious,” they’re going to have to hike taxes on the middle class and/or take a scalpel to the cherished Medicare program anyway. That glimmer of schadenfreude is my only comfort as we speed towards the cliff.

Many Dems are a dangerous combination of arrogant and ignorant. Arrogant in that they believe the system will somehow sustain itself, either through higher taxes on “the rich”, cuts in “unnecessary expenditures” like defense, or the old classic, eliminating “waste, fraud, and abuse”.

And they’re ignorant in that they believe they can simply demagogue and blame Republicans when the fit hits the shan. And to be honest, who can blame them when they’ve done such a horrible job since January 2007 yet Harry Reid gets reelected, Nancy Pelosi remains leader of the House Democrats, and Barry’s poll numbers are still hovering near 50% approval.

Doughboy on May 25, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Finally, even though I’m approaching retirement age myself, I don’t think we should all want to live forever… as the humanoid equivalent of somnabulistic leeches.

HTL on May 25, 2011 at 10:42 PM

FIFY, ~I think.

(Otheriwse, I would like to live forvever.)

profitsbeard on May 25, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Smacks of Reversal McCarthyism!!!(sarc).

canopfor on May 25, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Hate the looters and the moochers, in this order.

Klein is a looter.

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM

Hey numbskulls do I need to remind you all that we lost NY 23 in 2009 the exact same way with a 3rd party spliting the vote and then we went on to destory the dems in the hiuse and 700+ seats across the country.

NY 26 means nothing jus tlike Ny 23 meant nothing. The VA and NJ gov elections were more important. We just won the SC election is FREAKING WI home of the union strongholds. don’t even give NY 26 a second thought.

unseen on May 25, 2011 at 10:48 PM

This is what Joe Klein’s socialistic victory looks like in real time. Open your freaking eyes America, it will happen here if we don’t stop now:

The economic crisis in Belarus was triggered by a colossal trade deficit and massive state spending that preceded last year’s presidential elections which gave a new term to authoritarian ruler Alexander Lukashenko.

The president on Wednesday admitted that the ruble’s value was plunging but refused to attribute the troubles to his own policies, blaming them instead on rising energy prices set by Russia.

Weight of Glory on May 25, 2011 at 10:53 PM

Here’s the $1 trillion question: Will it be Weimar, the USSR, or some terrible hybrid of the two?

Bishop on May 25, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Throw Rome’s fall into that as well, the dole killed them as well! The mob will rule eventually I think, it just depends which way that mob leans. Of course today’s coliseum “American Idol” will have to finally bore them enough to pay attention to actual reality and not reality TV!

bluemarlin on May 25, 2011 at 10:57 PM

See economist George Reisman’s April 6 post: just start raising that “entitlement” age. Start offering the young a way out. Start offering the older a way to pay more for themselves.

AshleyTKing on May 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM

Hey numbskulls do I need to remind you all that we lost NY 23 in 2009 the exact same way with a 3rd party spliting the vote and then we went on to destory the dems in the hiuse and 700+ seats across the country.

NY 26 means nothing jus tlike Ny 23 meant nothing. The VA and NJ gov elections were more important. We just won the SC election is FREAKING WI home of the union strongholds. don’t even give NY 26 a second thought.

unseen on May 25, 2011 at 10:48 PM

^this bears repeating

Sekhmet on May 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM

Unfortunately, I don’t see how anything good will come from Ryan’s plan. And it has nothing to do with what is or isn’t in it. First, with the Dems controlling the Senate and the Presidency it isn’t going anywhere and with the Dems demagoging it as the end of the world for everyone not a millionaire all I see is downside potential. And even after the Dems kill the Ryan plan they’ll run against it until the very day the whole system implodes. The Dems plan is simply to put off the inevitable until they are all retired, so what have they to lose?

Fred 2 on May 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM

And Prossers win in Wisconsin was a victory for fascism or something. Yeah, yeah. We get it…

Reagan was a warmonger but Gorbachev was a man of peace.

Cuba is a ‘Worker’s Paradise’ but Texas is full of racist rednecks.

George W. was an idiot. Barack H. thinks its still 2008.

Liberalism/Democrats/Progressives = enlightened, sophisticated, Utopian idealism.

Conservatism/Republicanism/Republicans = Bigoted, fascistic, homophobic, sexist dullards.

We get it…

catmman on May 25, 2011 at 11:09 PM

Why Democrats would want to inherit full responsibility for dealing with this problem down the road…

Uhh.. what?

How do you figure the Dems will be blamed when it happens?

spinach.chin on May 25, 2011 at 11:09 PM

You know, I hate to say this, but if you put a red suit and hat on Klein in that still frame, and maybe grew his beard out a bit, he’d be a dead ringer for Santa Claus.

He’d be like, “Douchebag Santa”, or something like that.

spinach.chin on May 25, 2011 at 11:12 PM

The Dems plan is simply to put off the inevitable until they are all retired, so what have they to lose?

Fred 2 on May 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM

That’s not the plan at all. Democratics see all do-nothing outcomes as victories for progressivism-marxism. First possible do-nothing outcome, -hyperinflation, which results in all the income and wealth distribution they can dream of. Second possible do-nothing outcome, -the r-word. Democratics believe that they can win chaos and collapse because they are better organized, like the muslim brotherhood in Egypt. The better organized coalition always wins chaos. They will reorganize American and perhaps world economies along marxist principles.

So why do anything when do-nothing ensures a win? Sure a lot of people will be killed, and enormous wealth will be destroyed, -they don’t care about little details like that. Their personal power will be increased enormously.

slickwillie2001 on May 25, 2011 at 11:12 PM

The irony is, if all their Mediscare dreams come true and they win big next year, they’re the ones who’ll have to break the news to the public that for socialism to truly be “victorious,” they’re going to have to hike taxes on the middle class and/or take a scalpel to the cherished Medicare program anyway.

They will Mediscare everything to buy some time. If Obamacare stands, we’re well on our way to a complete takeover of the healthcare industry. When the Medicare crisis hits, the democrats will propose amending Obamacare to provide “Medicare for everyone” — the government will take over the insurance exchanges, everyone will get a “choice” of a government run healthcare plan, everyone’s healthcare will be rationed and medicare will be “saved”.

Thats the end goal for the dems. Everyone on government run, socialistic healthcare. It doesn’t matter if the care provided is quality care, or if its rationed — once you concede a government takeover, the argument shifts to who can run the government program better, not whether it should be privatized again.

Mediscare + Obamacare is a poison pill for the private healthcare market.

Revenant on May 25, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Hey numbskulls do I need to remind you all that we lost NY 23 in 2009 the exact same way with a 3rd party spliting the vote and then we went on to destory the dems in the hiuse and 700+ seats across the country.

NY 26 means nothing jus tlike Ny 23 meant nothing. The VA and NJ gov elections were more important. We just won the SC election is FREAKING WI home of the union strongholds. don’t even give NY 26 a second thought.

unseen on May 25, 2011 at 10:48 PM

^this bears repeating

Sekhmet on May 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM

It bears multiple repitition.

A faux Tea Party candidate (twice failed running as a Dem) pulled 9% of the vote from the gullible but well-meaning.

iurockhead on May 25, 2011 at 11:33 PM

bluemarlin on May 25, 2011 at 10:57 PM

The reality will be ugly, far uglier than any of these political dolts could dream of, and it will start in their big, blue cities.

Bishop on May 25, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Pretty good Mencken quote, AP.

One good quote deserves another.

“We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.” ~~ Ayn Rand

RedPepper on May 25, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Six months ago, the people wanted accountability and concrete solutions, so the GOP won 60 House seats. Now, because of an election in upstate NY, we all want…socialism?

Oh, and a sitting president need not defend his record, or lack thereof, come re-election time. All he has to do is run against…the chairman of the House budget committee?

I’m really trying hard to understand this f#*@#d up conventional wisdom emanating from D.C.

Erich66 on May 25, 2011 at 11:40 PM

That glimmer of schadenfreude is my only comfort as we speed towards the cliff.

thelma and louise all the way baby

cmsinaz on May 25, 2011 at 11:49 PM

canopfor on May 25, 2011 at 10:24 PM

good tune

cmsinaz on May 25, 2011 at 11:49 PM

The following is a long read, but it shows how socialists like the DC crowd destroy America

The source is an interview with a nyt reporter on npr about the housing crisis. They are extremely careful not to blame this on socialism…and they most certainly don’t use the D in back of anyone’s name…that would not be polite. but they do talk about redlining.

but the names that people know, B Frank, C Dodd and the guy who started the whole fannie mae thing going down the tube was an advisor to…M Dukakis…you know, the fish rots from the head…right Mike?

http://www.wbur.org/npr/136496032/how-reckless-greed-contributed-to-financial-crisis

r keller on May 25, 2011 at 11:56 PM

Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2011 at 11:58 PM

speaking of ny-23…did everyone know that Doug Hoffman ran again this last election, and the Dim won again. Hoffman got 6 percent…Owens won by 1 percent.

Thanks Doug

r keller on May 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM

The RINOs are to blame. They have gone along with the Democrats to get along, and deluded the public that the current level of Federal spending on entitlements is sustainable. It’s not. The RINOS are abject cowards in this regard. If the voters of NY-26 think otherwise, they are going to learn very quickly that there is only so much other peoples’ money, no matter how they voted.

I look forward to the US default.

Emperor Norton on May 25, 2011 at 10:25

Only four house republicans voted against the Ryan plan yet you blame the RINOs for NY26. Check the polls. The RINOs voted for the Republican. It was the Independents who voted for the Dem and Tea Partiers who voted for Davis that lost this election. The so called RINOs are your allies in cutting the deficit. Quit alienating them with ridiculous accusations of treason on spending cuts.

KW64 on May 26, 2011 at 12:05 AM

Unfortunately, I don’t see how anything good will come from Ryan’s plan. And it has nothing to do with what is or isn’t in it. First, with the Dems controlling the Senate and the Presidency it isn’t going anywhere and with the Dems demagoging it as the end of the world for everyone not a millionaire all I see is downside potential. And even after the Dems kill the Ryan plan they’ll run against it until the very day the whole system implodes. The Dems plan is simply to put off the inevitable until they are all retired, so what have they to lose?

Spoken like a true RINO. Waaaaa…..the Dems will call us names and it will hurt us in elections. Screw the well being of the country I want liberals to not be mad at republicans.

Grow a friggin backbone.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM

That’s what the Dems are planning to do and what they are doing right now. Do you truely believe they won’t demogoge the whole issue? When I explain what the Dems are doing that doesn’t mean I want it to happen. But what I believe will happen. Expect Republicans to be labelled anti-middle class, anti-child, anti-poor and anti-old people. Those are the facts and we’d better be prepared to receive their charge. That’s how they won NY-26 and they think they found a winning formula for 2012. Our job is to figure out a counter-strategy based on what they will do, not turn a blind eye to their plans and hope for the best. Yes, Ryan’s plan is a good plan, but sorry good intensions are not going to be enough to counter MSM-DNC demagogary. We need a fighter, like Newt before he imploded, but right now it looks like we are going to get Mitt.

Fred 2 on May 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM

Thats the end goal for the dems. Everyone on government run, socialistic healthcare. It doesn’t matter if the care provided is quality care, or if its rationed — once you concede a government takeover, the argument shifts to who can run the government program better, not whether it should be privatized again.

Mediscare + Obamacare is a poison pill for the private healthcare market.

Revenant on May 25, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Bingo. And that’s the genius of the Democrats/Progressives.
Step by step, law by law they’ve built their house and co-opted the Republicans along the way.

rickyricardo on May 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM

“win first, worry later,”

Democrat political philosophy, in a nutshell.

novaculus on May 26, 2011 at 1:43 AM

I don’t get it. Is Joe Klein celebrating this or something?

kurtzz3 on May 26, 2011 at 2:10 AM

That Klien seems like such a comfortable, contented man. Now if only we all knew who socialism got him that way.

pat on May 26, 2011 at 2:31 AM

NY 26 means nothing jus tlike Ny 23 meant nothing. The VA and NJ gov elections were more important. We just won the SC election is FREAKING WI home of the union strongholds. don’t even give NY 26 a second thought.

unseen on May 25, 2011 at 10:48 PM

I’m awake in the middle of the night suffering from dental pain, reading politics, being miserable. Thanks, unseen, for the one moment of joy I’ve have had this night! Seriously, really thanks! It’s amazing what a single moment of joy can do to a person’s mood.

thuja on May 26, 2011 at 3:58 AM

What worries me most about the socialistic fiscal problems are the dramatic increases in welfare programs like food stamps, medicaid and financial aid. There is little or no vetting in many of these.

Tbird1107 on May 26, 2011 at 5:37 AM

what a silly argument, by the way people here need to seriously stop drinking the msm meme kool aid. In other news the socialists were destroyed in Canada, Spain, disgraced in France, but NY-26 (a district that went exists in a year) makes you all that depressed?

rob verdi on May 26, 2011 at 5:54 AM

only 100k voted in ny26… usual elections see vote totals for that district at 250k…
only 48k voted for Hochul… 25% of normal voter turnout… hardly a victory for socialism…

mjbrooks3 on May 26, 2011 at 7:07 AM

Nobel Prize Winner in Global Warming Got ‘D’ in Natural Science

http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/05/nobel-prize-winner-in-global-warming.html

Nearly Nobody on May 26, 2011 at 7:08 AM

Thank you Joe for validating everything the Republicans have been saying about the Obama administration and democrats in general..
…………a victory for democrats is a victory for “socialism”…

Republicans need to blast this 24/7.
“A victory for democrats is a victory for socialism”

Baxter Greene on May 26, 2011 at 7:28 AM

Republicans need to blast this 24/7.
“A victory for democrats is a victory for socialism”

Baxter Greene on May 26, 2011 at 7:28 AM

hello RNC? Hello congress? Listen to BG here…

cmsinaz on May 26, 2011 at 7:37 AM

The irony is, if all their Mediscare dreams come true and they win big next year, they’re the ones who’ll have to break the news to the public that for socialism to truly be “victorious,” they’re going to have to hike taxes on the middle class and/or take a scalpel to the cherished Medicare program anyway.

Not. A. Chance. They’ll cobble together a patch to kick the can down the road a few more years, making the final reckoning all that much worse. The Dems don’t have a Ryan willing to tackle the issue. They have plenty of Wasserman-Schultzes determined to demagogue the living crap out of it, though.

DRPrice on May 26, 2011 at 7:56 AM

They have plenty of Wasserman-Schultzes determined to demagogue the living crap out of it, though.

DRPrice on May 26, 2011 at 7:56 AM

you’re not kidding..

cmsinaz on May 26, 2011 at 8:02 AM

This clip will make a great ad. There are two things that seniors don’t seem to be able to grasp regarding Medicare. The first being that it cannot survive in it’s current form. The second being that it IS socialism, and as such… subject to all the inherent flaws socialist policy presents. Artificially high costs, loss of supply and eventual rationing, these are par for the course, the best we can expect when government engages in commerce.

Democrats have made it clear that they’re more interested in demagoguing the issue for political purposes than they are in saving Medicare. Republicans need to pick up the gauntlet and spend every minute of the next year educating the public. Each and every one should present themselves as a Ryan-styled budget wonk, pulling facts and figures out of their butts AT WILL in front of the cameras. Each and every one should remind people that the Democrat answer to the problem of Medicare eating our entire budget WHOLE is to take a half trillion dollars out of it and put a 15-member rationing board between the doctor and the patient.

Murf76 on May 26, 2011 at 8:07 AM

I have always said that until Liberals can win elections by telling the truth in campaigns, we have not lost. Liberals never win by being honest, they only win by pretending to be conservative.

jeffn21 on May 26, 2011 at 8:24 AM

Bingo. And that’s the genius of the Democrats/Progressives.
Step by step, law by law they’ve built their house and co-opted the Republicans along the way.

rickyricardo on May 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM

And the co-opting began with the social issues progressive Republicans convinced us were unimprotant.

hawkdriver on May 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM

Klein just proves lies, deception and corruption are standard operating procedures for socialists to be relevant. What a worthless punk.

volsense on May 26, 2011 at 9:03 AM

H. L. Mencken Quotes
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.
H. L. Mencken

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Dude my favorite author. And that quote is the one attached on my email signature. Super chill.

snoopicus on May 26, 2011 at 9:25 AM

Seniors won’t give up one red cent. They are the most entitled, self absorbed, and greedy generation ever. I mean for any cohort that refers to themselves as the “greatest generation” is it really a surprise they think they have “earned” all this. True they paid taxes, but they paid in a tiny fraction of what they expect to get out. Most retirees today pull out in about 2 years the entirety of what they paid in. The problem is they draw it for an average of 16 years. (65-81)

snoopicus on May 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

As long as the lib dems are allowed to lie about the details of any plan put forward by conservatives, they will win elections. We also have to be aware of any fake Tea Party candidates. This is a battle we must win or face a long march toward more socialism. Joe, we are not socialists.

Kissmygrits on May 26, 2011 at 9:46 AM

This ‘victory’ in NY is not a barometer of the nation at large.
But I think you’re right on, here:

Maybe enough of the public is so invested in getting their benefits, whatever the broader consequences, that Medicare reform will remain a politically suicidal position to take until the very day that the dam bursts.

This is why RINOS are attractive to ‘conservatives’.
I figure many ‘conservatives’ have this mindset.
Most people, when faced with sacrificing something to do what is right, often fail.
In the herd of humanity, only a small percentage seem to be willing to look ahead & sacrifice when necessary.
The majority of humanity are greedy narcissistic little pigs.
That is why public shaming worked, & still works, so well.

Seniors won’t give up one red cent. They are the most entitled, self absorbed, and greedy generation ever. I mean for any cohort that refers to themselves as the “greatest generation” is it really a surprise they think they have “earned” all this. True they paid taxes, but they paid in a tiny fraction of what they expect to get out. Most retirees today pull out in about 2 years the entirety of what they paid in. The problem is they draw it for an average of 16 years. (65-81)

snoopicus on May 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Many of them spout conservatism, but howl loudly when you try & take an entitlement away they don’t really need.
The “I paid into” meme is getting really old.
Do healthcare like they do in other countries: you get what you pay for.
Like staying in a hotel. You want 5 star service, PAY FOR IT YOURSELF.
Bcs in the end, the hotel is nothing but a place to lay your head.
It doesn’t need fancy linen sheets to get the job done.

Badger40 on May 26, 2011 at 10:33 AM

And regarding my hotel analogy-this does not mean you get substandard healthcare. You still have access to the necessary treatments & equipment & experts.
But you don’t get a private room, fancy curtains, bed etc.
In fact, in hospitals in S. America, I was told by a friend who goes on missions down there, they don’t feed you or do your laundry or anything.
That is up to the family to arrange.
Or churches & charities or other organizations where you pay for someone to do it.

Badger40 on May 26, 2011 at 11:00 AM