Oh my: Pawlenty calls for Medicare and Social Security reform — in Florida
posted at 9:08 pm on May 24, 2011 by Allahpundit
First he goes after ethanol in Iowa, now this. What’s next? Telling Texans it’s time to wean themselves off of barbecue? Good lord. This isn’t a campaign, it’s an intervention.
Alternate headline: “Tim Pawlenty now unelectable in not one but two early primary states.”
A day after telling Iowans their beloved ethanol subsidies will have to go, Republican presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty used a stop in senior-heavy Florida to call for reining in Social Security and Medicare benefits for future retirees…
It’s part of a tough-medicine tour, designed to highlight Pawlenty’s willingness to tell “hard truths.” He’s also planning to visit Washington to call for less-generous pay and benefits for public sector employees and to New York to call for an end to Wall Street bailouts…
Pawlenty said Social Security’s retirement age must “gradually” increase for people who are not yet in the system. He also called for ending cost-of-living increases for wealthy retirees. He said he’ll release details soon and said the changes would not affect current retirees.
That’s from today’s Facebook town hall, where he also took a question that seemed geared towards winning a certain fiscal-con icon’s constituency:
“In the state of Indiana, our governor has been really hard on teachers,” asked one girl. “What is your view of education?”
Pawlenty voiced a position on education similar to the reforms passed by Daniels in the last Indiana legislative session: school choice and vouchers, support for charter schools, and saying that education policy should be geared to help children and should “put their needs first, rather than the interests of adults in public employee union movement.”
The choice of the question seemed deliberate, as a way to position Pawlenty as the natural alternative for Daniels’ supporters.
The straight talk on entitlements, I think, is mainly geared towards giving him cover with the base for when he starts inching away from Ryan’s Medicare plan. He praised Ryan’s budget when speaking to reporters after the Facebook town hall today but reminded them that he’ll be introducing his own plan in the coming months. With good reason: The more Senate Republicans bail on Ryan — Olympia Snowe is the latest — the closer we get to the sort of tipping point imagined by Nate Silver. It’s easier for the GOP to deflect concerns about Ryan’s Medicare reforms if they’re voting party-line, less easy when the RINO contingent of Snowe, Collins, and Brown defects and thereby implicitly signals to centrists that Ryan’s budget is “extreme.” T-Paw’s trying to massage both sides here (much as he did in Iowa), hinting without saying that he thinks Ryan’s plan is extreme too but not so much that entitlement reform should be avoided. Exit quotation: “What I know is this: There just can’t be any more sacred cows.”
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WTF??
Must be the population..
Hey Denmark..
Take a look at your future…
*pointing the Trillion Dollar coin*
Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM
Bishop!
unclesmrgol on April 22, 2013 at 9:24 PM
Okay…
:)
Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 9:25 PM
Aging population mixed with a younger population who doesn’t want to work or support their own children when they do have children equal no one actually supporting ANYONE..
This is for everyone who think that government money comes from the money fairies..
melle1228 on April 22, 2013 at 9:31 PM
But it does Melle!!
Money TREE Fairies!
Golden egg laying geese
Skittle poopin’ Unicorns
And Taxing Rain Fall!!
Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 9:36 PM
America too: When Work is Punished: The Tragedy of America’s Welfare State
slickwillie2001 on April 22, 2013 at 9:37 PM
Too little, too late.
Even if they completely demolish their welfare system and revert to a free market entrepreneurial model, the seed corn of human capital destroyed by their Enlightenment ideas can’t be replenished in time.
Canary in the coal mine?
Cleombrotus on April 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM
I’m just amazed they can talk about “entitlement” reform without the riots and whining.
Cindy Munford on April 22, 2013 at 9:44 PM
All Denmark needs to do is click its heels and wish for a Bernanke.
Everything is sunny when you have a Dr. Bernanke’s Own Magic Money Making Machine! Just fill with ink, paper, MSM disinformation and before you say “Ben’s not your uncle” you’ve got cold, hard cash!
It’s so easy even a Zimbabwean can do it!
Punchenko on April 22, 2013 at 9:48 PM
and entitlement problems,
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MeanWhile,back at the North Carolina Senate Ranch:
North Carolina Senate passes bill requiring drug testing for welfare applicants; measure goes to state House – @wral
29 mins ago from http://www.wral.com by editor
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http://www.wral.com/drug-testing-for-benefits-bill-passes-senate/12369158/
canopfor on April 22, 2013 at 9:52 PM
11 or bust..
:)
Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 9:56 PM
OT –
Brayam’s heroes.
CW on April 22, 2013 at 9:57 PM
I’m just amazed they can talk about “entitlement” reform without the riots and whining.
Cindy Munford on April 22, 2013 at 9:44 PM
Cindy Munford:
And,Drum Circles!:–O
canopfor on April 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM
There are 4 times as many people on food stamps here than there are Swedes. In Sweden.
Let that swirl around the synapses for awhile.
BobMbx on April 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM
“Then the work isn’t finished” – Denmark Libs
Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 10:01 PM
Okay, wrong Nordic country.
Let me try again.
There are nearly 10 times as many people on food stamps here than there are Danes. In Denmark.
Let that swirl around the synapses for awhile.
Oh….and here’s the killer trivia about Denmark. If you’re born a Dane, you are automatically enrolled in the Church of Denmark, and you will forever be paying taxes to the church. No apostates….you still owe the tax.
Very progressive, eh?
BobMbx on April 22, 2013 at 10:02 PM
I don’t think they believe that for a minute, though. They are just concerned about balancing the checkbook. Even the ephemeral concerns dont seem to reach belief that increasing freedom would provide a “much more robust prosperity than an otherwise floundering entitlement state ever could.”
Axe on April 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM
.
I can plainly see the “spiraling out of control”, and the “negative side, you’ve been unwilling to talk about”.
But you’re going to have to get me a bigger magnifying-glass to see this alleged “lot of good” … Or a microscope, maybe ?
listens2glenn on April 22, 2013 at 10:04 PM
Danes are also forced learn Danish which is a very difficult language.
Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 10:06 PM
.
Sure, your comment is not specifically about Denmark, but the subject matter certainly applies.
listens2glenn on April 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM
I find your lack of faith . . . disturbing. :)
– Hey, smell that? I think that’s open registration. No, wait, that’s Squatch. This area is perfect Squatch country . . . No, now it smells like open registration again . . .
Axe on April 22, 2013 at 10:11 PM
We have an entire nation of such people.
Yay, America!
Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 10:11 PM
Well the Dane’s are obviously RACIST!
Oh, wait. Never mind.
GarandFan on April 22, 2013 at 10:12 PM
Screw Denmark. I prefer brunettes. *winks*
wolly4321 on April 22, 2013 at 10:14 PM
*winks back*
-Mooch
Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM
Must be all those muslims milking the system.
jake49 on April 22, 2013 at 10:26 PM
And just think…had the two boys that have made national history this week been raised by two loving parents, instead of by a village…
Relying on the teat does not make for good character or strong nations.
ndanielson on April 22, 2013 at 10:26 PM
Get real. Those actually blonde blondes are astonishing. Their babes are transcendent. Sort of like Colombian babes, where their babes knock the whole previous idea of babe into a cocked hat . . . of course the Colombian babes are brunettes . . . so I guess this comment was pointless from end to end.
Well, there’s five seconds you’ll never get back.
^ Feminists should consider that parody so I don’t have to listen to your sandwich-inept crap.
Axe on April 22, 2013 at 10:27 PM
Since the nordic countries tend to be more homogeneous than the US, there may be a greater tendancy to not look at some kind of cosmic justice as the be all/end all for their country. Hence, they can take a long hard look at what is happening and make reasonable adjustments (aside from the fact that they are relatively small countries so the changes are not so huge).
In the US, we have lots of cultures and minorities, and a point of view that wants these cultures and minorities to be distinct and separate which would also means they would resist the kinds of adjustments that Denmark and Sweden can make with a homogeneous population.
After all, it is probably impossible to convince every group that what is being taken from it (in the form of reduced benefits) is being done in a fair and reasonable fashion. This is especially true with the fostering of grievances about society and “discrimination”.
It is easier to give smaller portions of an expanding economic pie, but much harder when the pie is shrinking.
Russ808 on April 22, 2013 at 10:58 PM
Emphasis added.
AesopFan on April 22, 2013 at 11:02 PM
Don’t sell yourself short, my mind whirled for a good couple of minutes… Blonde blondes….Colombians…
If I’m not back in a few, just proceed without me…
socalcon on April 23, 2013 at 12:40 AM
But it is a tasty breakfast.
fossten on April 23, 2013 at 7:32 AM
I’m starting to lose track of how much of my existence is currently under threat from the government. Let’s see… my second amendment rights are clearly on the table. After this week, it looks like my fourth and fifth amendment rights can be suspended by the police when, in their largely unfettered discretion, the police think that’s necessary. To top it all off, notwithstanding the clear evidence of everywhere else in the world, my country seems bound and determined to spend itself (further and further) into bankruptcy. I reckon I can console myself with the notion that, sooner or later, they won’t be able to pay enough policemen to maintain a police state.
morganfrost on April 23, 2013 at 8:18 AM
If you decide to address the problem when it first shows up, instead of repeatedly kicking the can down the road, you only need to take baby steps to correct it. It’s by putting off dealing with a growing problem, and letting it grow to monstrous proportions, that brings our stark choices of drastic slashing measures vs. just letting it crash.
Back in 2003 it was apparent that the Social Security fixes of the 1980s weren’t adequate. If Congress had done something as simple as providing that benefits would be delayed by one month per year for the next 24 years, we would have already raised the retirement age by nearly a year, and folks would have had 10 years to adjust to the circumstance. And us old folks are already working longer anyway.
ss396 on April 23, 2013 at 9:38 AM
Once a Ponzi scheme, always a Ponzi scheme. While re-arranging the deck chairs on Titanic made the deck space more efficient, the efficiency was short-lived…IIRC. But that didn’t stop the Deck Chair Arrangement Committee from doing the vital work that committees do in times of crisis.
BobMbx on April 23, 2013 at 9:53 AM
As a proud member of the ‘sen tribe, I am glad to hear this, but it may be too little too late. Danes and Scandinavians in general may be socialistic, but they have always understood exactly how the system worked and why it worked. i.e. Smallish countries with very little system abuse. That all changed with the influx of immigrants over the last 20 years and now they see the writing on the wall. Love Demnark, but they let political correction put a wrench in their well oiled machine. Hope they follow (the dreaded) Sweden’s lead on this.
AmeriCuda on April 23, 2013 at 10:12 AM