Exclusive interview with Tim Pawlenty

posted at 12:20 pm on May 23, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

A few minutes ago, I interviewed Gov. Tim Pawlenty about his official entry into the race, which will occur this afternoon in Iowa, and his campaign theme of “Time for Truth.” As I noted earlier today, Pawlenty offered a sneak peek of this new approach by specifically focusing on farm subsidies, a particularly difficult issue in Iowa. I asked Pawlenty whether Iowans are ready for that much truth, and he believes they are. “We can’t fix this [the fiscal crisis] if we take the position that we’re only going to cut someone else’s stuff,” Pawlenty says. “We’re going to look the people of Iowa in the eye and talk about the need to gradually reduce over time ethanol subsidies. We’re going to go down to Florida and talk about the need to fix Social Security to seniors,” he explained, not by changing it for current recipients but by making changes to the retirement age “for the next generation.” Pawlenty says that afterwards, he’ll go to Wall Street and tell them that the era of bailouts are over:

Pawlenty praised Paul Ryan’s approach to the budget, saying that he has shown more leadership than Barack Obama, whose original plan was to trim $40 billion a year in spending while deficits ran past the trillion-dollar mark. He has his own budget proposal to make soon, which will differ from Ryan’s in some key ways. Pawlenty noted that Ryan avoided Social Security reform for good reason, considering the state of play in Washington, but that his plan will include that in reforms, but his Medicare reform will look “a little different” than Ryan’s.

I asked him about his perceived toughness, since this will be a long, hard slog. Don’t confuse politeness with weakness, Pawlenty told me, listing his battles with the Democratic legislature and the transit workers’ union. He shut down the government here over a budget fight, for instance, and issued a record number of vetoes. Not surprisingly, Pawlenty says that Republicans should look for a candidate with a strong, successful executive track record for the best possible contrast with Obama. “If people want a Comedian in Chief or Entertainer in Chief, they should vote for somebody else,” Pawlenty said. “But if you want a serious, seasoned, strong, thoughtful person who gets results in a tough environment and tough circumstances, then I’m your candidate.”

Update: How will the austerity message be received in Iowa? We’ll see, but the speech has a pretty good line to set it up:

Politicians are often afraid that if they’re too honest, they might lose an election. I’m afraid that in 2012, if we’re not honest enough, we may lose our country.

We’ll see if that gives him an applause line when farm subsidies come up, but he’s serious about bringing them into the debate.


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I’m afraid that in 2012, if we’re not honest enough, we may lose our country.

True, true, but in 2012 we’ll also lose the election, and the country, if we’re not ‘mean’ enough. Impertinent thugs, ward heelers, are destroying your freedom and the land. Fight them with you’ve got. There will not be another chance. They, with no re-election after 2012, will go all out. They’ve shown their colors already in the last 2 12/ years.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Wow. Pretty tough talk…

OmahaConservative on May 23, 2011 at 12:24 PM

“If people want a Comedian in Chief or Entertainer in Chief, they should vote for somebody else,” Pawlenty said.

????

littleguy on May 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Ed pimping the 1%er. Very hard.

kevinkristy on May 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Pawlenty offered a sneak peek of this new approach by specifically focusing on farm subsidies, a particularly difficult issue in Iowa.

We have to face facts, own up to our troubles and figure out solutions. I don’t want to hear platitudes that we’re living in the land of skittle spewing unicorns and lollipop trees.

rbj on May 23, 2011 at 12:26 PM

I am interesting in hearing from Pawlenty. He might be the last man standing.

portlandon on May 23, 2011 at 12:26 PM

OT: Thought I would share. It’s looks as if “Irish Eye’s” were not smiling on Barry…well at least not on his limo. Could not help but laugh out loud!

http://www.rte.ie/news/av/2011/0523/media-2963651.html#

milwife88 on May 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Bet this thread breaks 15 comments !

Too bad there isn’t a view counter on the video.

stenwin77 on May 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Wonder how many will turn out for his rally?

kringeesmom on May 23, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Hey Ed,

Since Tim stated in August 2006 that the era of small government was over, next time you interview him, can you ask him if he believes that to still be true?

steebo77 on May 23, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Ed’s got a fever and the only prescription is…

Bee on May 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Congrats on the exclusive, Ed!

jimmy the notable on May 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM

OT: Thought I would share. It’s looks as if “Irish Eye’s” were not smiling on Barry…well at least not on his limo. Could not help but laugh out loud!

http://www.rte.ie/news/av/2011/0523/media-2963651.html#

milwife88 on May 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM

THAT is FUNNY ! How did they get it unstuck?

stenwin77 on May 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM

I think Tpaw has to explain this:

The era of small government is over,” Pawlenty said in an interview with the Star Tribune. “I’m a market person, but there are certain circumstances where you’ve got to have government put up the guardrails or bust up entrenched interests before they become too powerful … Government has to be more proactive, more aggressive.”
- 2006

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM

As the anti-Romney, he’s got a lot of promise.

The “entertainers” line is going to be illustrative by watching who foams at the mouth after reading it.

KingGold on May 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Who’s Tim Pawlenty? With a name like that, forget it. That’s like pitting a dorky white kid up against the cool black kid for student council president.

keep the change on May 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Okay, that is courage. I like it.

Starting with ethanol subsidies in Iowa is a brave act. I guess if he falls flat in Iowa he will be finished pretty quickly, on the other hand if anyone should know how Iowans feel it is Pawlenty.

I hope he is right.

I also think the key is going to be slowly lowering the subisdies because a whole economy is built around multi-generational farm subsidies.

Stopping them cold would undoubtably cause unintended consequences that may make the economy worse.

petunia on May 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Tim Pawlenty’s home town newspaper ran his prez announcement on the obituary page….

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/05/tim_pawlenty_presidential_announcement_obituaries.php

idesign on May 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

milwife88 on May 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM

I saw that and thought, “Definitely a Metaphor of the Day.”

Abby Adams on May 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Politicians are often afraid that if they’re too honest, they might lose an election. I’m afraid that in 2012, if we’re not honest enough, we may lose our country.

Pure Gold. That’s the first thing I have heard out of any candidate’s mouth that actually sounds Presidential.

Rocks on May 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

THAT is FUNNY ! How did they get it unstuck?

stenwin77 on May 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Meeeshell exited the vehicle and the sagging read end came right up.

VegasRick on May 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Who’s Tim Pawlenty? With a name like that, forget it. That’s like pitting a dorky white kid up against the cool black kid for student council president.

keep the change on May 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

A cool black kid who stole your yummy lunch from home and replaced it with a vegie burger!

Obama is no cool anything.

petunia on May 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Carlson Blasts Pawlenty for Raising Taxes

In a blog post, former Minnesota Gov. Arne Carlson (R) steps on his fellow Minnesota Republican’s presidential announcement:

“One thing is certain about Monday’s Presidential announcement by former Governor Tim Pawlenty: he will not bring up the fact that he presided over one of the larger tax increases in Minnesota’s history… During his two terms as Governor, property taxes rose a stunning $2.5 billion – more than the previous 16 years combined… There is nothing personal in my assessment… However, I come from the more traditional wing of the Republican Party and truly believe in fiscal discipline and that the office of the Presidency should go to our nation’s best and brightest and not its most ambitious.”

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/05/23/carlson_blasts_pawlenty_for_raising_taxes.html

interparty fight. Anyone know what wing of the party Carlson is part of?

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

“We’re going to look the people of Iowa in the eye and talk about the need to gradually reduce over time ethanol subsidies.”

That was/is a sticking point with me. How gradually? Does he have other favorite “green” stuff to mandate? Does he see a need to control Co2? Is he no longer a warmist?

cartooner on May 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

OT… (points finger) Ha ha…

RalphyBoy on May 23, 2011 at 12:36 PM

THAT is FUNNY ! How did they get it unstuck?

stenwin77 on May 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM

It’s because the front end is so damn heavy. Just get a few guys to push on the back.

Rocks on May 23, 2011 at 12:37 PM

OT: Thought I would share. It’s looks as if “Irish Eye’s” were not smiling on Barry…well at least not on his limo. Could not help but laugh out loud!

http://www.rte.ie/news/av/2011/0523/media-2963651.html#

milwife88 on May 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM

I hope that finds it way to all the comedy shows.

Good thing we have a Democrat at the wheel. Perfect analogy for our economy.

petunia on May 23, 2011 at 12:39 PM

interparty fight. Anyone know what wing of the party Carlson is part of?

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Yes, he’s the examples Dems use here of the last reasonable Republican, which should speak volumes. He’s basically a Rockefeller Republican who would bitterly resent the Tea Party if he was still relevant enough to care about.

Ed Morrissey on May 23, 2011 at 12:39 PM

milwife88 on May 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM

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Shoulda checked first… but some times that’s just too much to ask of little ole part Irish me. ;)
-

RalphyBoy on May 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM

I think Tpaw has to explain this:

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM

He did. The Star Tribune (one of the most liberal papers in the country) misrepresented the quote. “The era of small government is over” was the subtitle to a David Brooks column that he was citing, not an endorsement of big government. The Trib later issued a clarification / correction.

There’s a reason nobody can find the full quote in context- because it was BS from the beginning.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

About 3 steps to the left of Scott Brown.

notropis on May 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Hey Ed,

Since Tim stated in August 2006 that the era of small government was over, next time you interview him, can you ask him if he believes that to still be true?

steebo77 on May 23, 2011 at 12:28 PM

I’d like to know more about this. Can Ed or maybe Rush dig into this?

MeatHeadinCA on May 23, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Look whom the fear

President Obama’s re-election campaign is trying to dig up dirt in the Garden State.

Despite New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s repeated pronouncements that he will not seek the GOP presidential nomination, Obama operatives are compiling a dossier of what they call “opposition research” — material that could be used to damage Christie if he changes his mind, The Post has learned.
#ixzz1NC7l7c8z

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2011 at 12:41 PM

interparty fight. Anyone know what wing of the party Carlson is part of?

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Pawlenty is a product of the “Independent-Republican Party.” From Wikipedia:

The Independent-Republican Party (I-R) was the name used for the party from November 15, 1975 until September 23, 1995. The name change was made due to “Republican brand” being damaged by the Watergate Scandal. Polls conducted in the early-mid 1970s indicated people in Minnesota were more likely to vote for a candidate who identify as an “Independent” versues a “Republican”. During that time, the state party became more dependent on grassroots fundraising and eventually went bankrupt.[citation needed] After the National party pumped money into the party, in the early-mid eighties, their image and base began turning more conservative. During this time the party had both US Senate seats and briefly held control of the state House of Representatives. By 1994, the grassroots had turned socially more conservative, and changed the name back in 1995. Attempts to drop the term “Independent” had been defeated in 1989, 1991 and 1993.

From what I gather, Carlson must have been opposed to the Party’s rebranding and its leftward drift in the 70s and 80s.

steebo77 on May 23, 2011 at 12:42 PM

For the type of campaign the Obama troops will run, Pawlenty would be cannon fodder.

michaelo on May 23, 2011 at 12:42 PM

interparty fight. Anyone know what wing of the party Carlson is part of?

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Arne Carlson makes Olympia Snowe look like Ronald Reagan in comparison. He was the sort of RINO that other RINOs could point to and say “at least I’m not that guy”.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:43 PM

“It looks like we should have listened to President Carter,” he told the Minnesota Climate Change Advisory Group. “He called us to action, and we should have listened. . . . Climate change is real. Human behavior is partly and may be a lot responsible. Those who don’t think so are simply not right. We should not spend time on voices that say it’s not real.”

equanimous on May 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM

From what I gather, Carlson must have been opposed to the Party’s rebranding and its leftward drift in the 70s and 80s.

Upon further examinaton, it appears that Carlson was a hardcore Independent-Republican, arguably further to the left than DLFers.

steebo77 on May 23, 2011 at 12:46 PM

“If people want a Comedian in Chief or Entertainer in Chief, they should vote for somebody else,” Pawlenty said.

Trite, anticipatory mock-tough defiance of the weakling, as instructed by a political consultant.

rrpjr on May 23, 2011 at 12:46 PM

“If people want a Comedian in Chief or Entertainer in Chief, they should vote for somebody else.

Don’t you fret, Timmy boy. I’m going to vote for Sarah Palin as she isn’t one to pander to the LIEberal Democrats. ;o)

DannoJyd on May 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM

He’s basically a Rockefeller Republican who would bitterly resent the Tea Party if he was still relevant enough to care about.

Ed Morrissey on May 23, 2011 at 12:39 PM

ok Ed that gives some light on this attack on TPaw. does his attack have any merit then?
the Moody’s downgrade? The $5.1 billion debt?

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM

equanimous on May 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM

I was stupid.

Rocks on May 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM

From what I gather, Carlson must have been opposed to the Party’s rebranding and its leftward drift in the 70s and 80s.

steebo77 on May 23, 2011 at 12:42 PM

You could not possibly be more wrong. Carlson is as lefty a Republican as has been produced in Minnesota, and that’s saying something.

notropis on May 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Give it up, Ed.

T-Paw needed a 3rd party to split the DFL to win.

That ain’t happening in a national election.

Bruno Strozek on May 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM

From what I gather, Carlson must have been opposed to the Party’s rebranding and its leftward drift in the 70s and 80s.

steebo77 on May 23, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Er, no. Carlson was part of the I-R movement. Pawlenty didn’t even run for office until 1989 (city council) and 1992 won a seat in the legislature.

Ed Morrissey on May 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM

equanimous on May 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM

That’s disturbing, but he has at least apologized for his position to get gov’t more involved, right?

MeatHeadinCA on May 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM

OK, you corrected yourself. Cool.

notropis on May 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Tim Pawlenty’s home town newspaper ran his prez announcement on the obituary page….

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/05/tim_pawlenty_presidential_announcement_obituaries.php

idesign on May 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

City Pages? Really?

It’s a free “alternative” far-left paper that’s best known for bar and “escort” service advertisements, and music reviews with the occasional leftist column thrown in.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM

steebo77 on May 23, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Congratulations! You found pretty much the lowest point in Pawlenty’s lengthy career in govt, which he has repeatedly disavowed, & that he has very much made amends for.
But you neglected to point out that T-Paw brought a conservative govt (except for the imperfection you brought up) to a left-wing state–a remarkable achievement.
CATO gave him an A rating at a time when only three other governors earned one (none of them are running).
All other candidates running for the GOP nomination fit in at least one of these categories:
–Made mistakes at least as bad
–Has little or no executive govt record
–Has no chance of winning

itsnotaboutme on May 23, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Charlatans, rejoice!

Except, when he’s in Africa, of course, when he disappears into the dry ice and re-emerges with a grass skirt and a bone through his nose and declares himself to be Mandingo, Prince of the Bloodline of the Bonga People, Drinker of Cattle Urine, Father of A Thousand Warrior Sons, Keeper of King Solomon’s Mines, Barehanded Slayer of Lions, Undaunted Victim of the Evil Colonial British Empire.

And in the Middle East, where he is Al-Barak Hussein Obama, Protector of the Holy Shrine, Smiter of the Kuffar, Lion of the Desert, Tent-Loving-Aficionado-of-the-Oversweetened-Coffee, Chomper of Sheeps’ Eyeballs, Restorer of the Caliphate.

Etc.

Tony Blair used to do this trick too, his accent mutating from broad Glaswegian to genteel Edinburgh to Mummerset to Estuary to Richard E Grant to Sarf London Grime – often in the course of one Downing Street reception – the better to persuade his target audience that he was their kind of guy. And it is, of course, the hallmark of an unutterable charlatan.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2011 at 12:49 PM

That was/is a sticking point with me. How gradually? Does he have other favorite “green” stuff to mandate? Does he see a need to control Co2? Is he no longer a warmist?

cartooner on May 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

You have to do it gradually or cause more damage to the economy.

There is a lot of businesses in farm towns that are based on these subsidies.

The prices of comodies would fluctuate wildly. These subsidies have been with us for so long I don’t know if anyone knows what the true market value for anything is anymore.

Take farm equipment for example. If you stop subsidies on wheat, and the price drops, farmers grow far less… they don’t need a new combine next year, some people are out of work. But then the price goes up because of shortage… so more gets planted, but they didn’t build the equipment in time so the price of that goes up…

It has been a long time since there has been a real free market in farming, all decisions are based on subsidies to some extent.

I am definitely in favor of getting rid of them but carefully!

petunia on May 23, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Everybody in the race, at least the big names in the race, embraced climate change or cap-and-trade at one point or another, every one of us, so there’s no one who has been in executive position whose name is being bantered in a first or second-tier way who hasn’t embraced it in some way.

Really, Governor?

The question is in my case, I’ve said, ‘Look, I’ve made a mistake.’ I think cap-and-trade would be a ham-fisted, unhelpful, damaging thing to the economy. It’s misguided. I made the mistake. I admit it. I’m not trying to be cute about it. I just come out and tell you it was a mistake.

kingsjester on May 23, 2011 at 12:50 PM

I’d like to know more about this. Can Ed or maybe Rush dig into this?

MeatHeadinCA on May 23, 2011 at 12:41 PM

here is a good blog post on both side’s spin on the subject:

http://lloydletta.blogspot.com/2006/08/governor-pawlenty-of-tax-increases.html

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:50 PM

It’s a free “alternative” far-left paper that’s best known for bar and “escort” service advertisements, and music reviews with the occasional leftist column thrown in.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM

So you are saying definitely pick up a copy if you happen to be in town right? They have them at motels right?

Rocks on May 23, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Ed pimping the 1%er. Very hard.

kevinkristy o

9% in Iowa, where it counts.

Jon0815 on May 23, 2011 at 12:52 PM

How much do you want to bet that half the posts in this thread are mindlessly cut-and-pasted from a thread at C4P?

The same exact talking points, quotes and links were similarly cut-and-pasted into a thread at AoSHQ.

Pathetic.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Pathetic.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Thanks for having such a high opinion of the commenters here./

kingsjester on May 23, 2011 at 12:54 PM

From what I’ve seen thus far, Pawlenty is someone that I could vote for reasonably certain that the damage won’t get worse.

Put another way, Pawlenty would mark the outer boundaries of conservatism that I’d be okay with in the Presidency.

Scott H on May 23, 2011 at 12:54 PM

There’s a reason nobody can find the full quote in context- because it was BS from the beginning.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM

seems like this is in context:

The era of small government is over,” Pawlenty said in an interview with the Star Tribune. “I’m a market person, but there are certain circumstances where you’ve got to have government put up the guardrails or bust up entrenched interests before they become too powerful … Government has to be more proactive, more aggressive.”

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Hollow: I don’t know about others, but I’ve never actually been to the C4P website.

It is good to hear that the ‘era of small government’ quote is not an issue.

Scott H on May 23, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Thanks for having such a high opinion of the commenters here./

kingsjester on May 23, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Have I not made it clear that I don’t?

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Unseen: While I’m still awaiting a final word on that quote, consider the source. The Star Tribune is not exactly a media outlet I’d trust to get a conservative’s words right.

Scott H on May 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM

He might be the least bad.

WisCon on May 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM

here is a good blog post on both side’s spin on the subject:

http://lloydletta.blogspot.com/2006/08/governor-pawlenty-of-tax-increases.html

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Did Ed ever say anything about this? I may have missed it.

MeatHeadinCA on May 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Have I not made it clear that I don’t?

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:56 PM

And yet you keep coming back to Troll and disrupt threads. How high-minded of you.

kingsjester on May 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Er, no. Carlson was part of the I-R movement. Pawlenty didn’t even run for office until 1989 (city council) and 1992 won a seat in the legislature.

Ed Morrissey on May 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Didn’t Pawlenty work for Jon Grunseth who was an Independent-Republican?

Pawlenty’s start in state politics began as a campaign advisor for Jon Grunseth‘s 1990 losing bid for Minnesota governor.[17] As governor, Pawlenty appointed Grunseth’s former wife, Vicky Tigwell, to the MSP airport board, which became an ethics and accountability issue in 2003.

Pawlenty was elected to the Minnesota House of Representatives in 1992. The Independent-Republican’s became just Republicans in 19995.

What did he run as in 1992?

sharrukin on May 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Yet he did say we need a more efficient, aggressive government. While the definition of “efficient” can be debated, I do not want a more aggressive government.

alwaysfiredup on May 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM

If T-Paw wins the party nomination I am going with him.
.
In fact, I will vote for whomever wins the Republican nomination.
In may not be easy but what is the alternative?

OmahaConservative on May 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM

The same exact talking points, quotes and links were similarly cut-and-pasted into a thread at AoSHQ.

Pathetic.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:52 PM

No what is pathetic is if the same talking points were cut and pasted from the Daily Kos like the ABP people do.

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM

itsnotaboutme on May 23, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Actually, so far, Pawlenty is the cleanest guy in the race. But arguably, the most boring.

Of course he hasn’t had poll numbers high enough to really get the rumour mills going, that will come.

On Intrade, which really means nothing this far out… other than an instant poll:

Pawlenty seems to have gotten just about all of Daniel’s support. He is almost even with Romney.

Romney’s numbers don’t change much at all… others are going to slip past him.

Huntsman has been slowly rising, his Intrade numbers are so far above his polling, I think some money people must like him.

A few others are up, but Cain and Palin are back down. Or they were until I say this and someone puts their money on them…

petunia on May 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM

interparty fight. Anyone know what wing of the party Carlson is part of?

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Yes, he’s the examples Dems use here of the last reasonable Republican, which should speak volumes. He’s basically a Rockefeller Republican who would bitterly resent the Tea Party if he was still relevant enough to care about.

Ed Morrissey on May 23, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Ed is right – My former Governor, Schwarzenegger, would call Carlson a Candy-Assed RINO. Come to think of it, Jerry Brown would call Carlson a Candy-Assed RINO too. The most milquetoast version of a Republican you could hope to find.

juanito on May 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Hollow: If you don’t like the commenters here, why do you comment?

Omaha: Pawlenty is not the ideal candidate, but it’s possible he’s good enough of one.

Scott H on May 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM

seems like this is in context:

The era of small government is over,” Pawlenty said in an interview with the Star Tribune. “I’m a market person, but there are certain circumstances where you’ve got to have government put up the guardrails or bust up entrenched interests before they become too powerful … Government has to be more proactive, more aggressive.”
unseen on May 23, 2011 at 12:55 PM

And what part of that do you find offensive? Are we anarchists now? Are you suggesting that Walker’s effort to become “more proactive, more aggressive” in dealing with the “entrenched interests” of the public unions was objectionable? Or efforts by St. Sarah (pbuh) to “take on” the oil company special interests?

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

If T-Paw wins the party nomination I am going with him.
.
In fact, I will vote for whomever wins the Republican nomination.
In may not be easy but what is the alternative?

OmahaConservative on May 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Tpaw is better than Mitt, or huntsman or Cain and I think his experience beats out bachmann. So yeah he is on my short list but some of these quotes and attacks are making my sure he isn’t my first choice.

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

What did he run as in 1992?

sharrukin on May 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM

The party was called I-R at that time, but Pawlenty didn’t have anything to do with changing it in the 1970s. Democrats are called DFL here, too. Had I moved to Minnesota before 1995, my only GOP option would have been I-R.

Ed Morrissey on May 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

But you neglected to point out that T-Paw brought a conservative govt (except for the imperfection you brought up) to a left-wing state–a remarkable achievement.
CATO gave him an A rating at a time when only three other governors earned one (none of them are running).

itsnotaboutme on May 23, 2011 at 12:49 PM

And you neglected to point out that in 2004 Pawlenty earned a B, in 2006 a C, in 2008 a B, and only in 2010 did he finally earn an A as he was preparing to run for President.

steebo77 on May 23, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Hollow: If you don’t like the commenters here, why do you comment?
Scott H on May 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM

It’s an ego boost to be among the smartest people in the room, even if it’s a room largely populated by those who once rode the short bus.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 1:03 PM

What did he run as in 1992?

sharrukin on May 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Minnesota’s Republican Party changed its name to “Independent Republican,” not as any reflection of ideology, but to distance itself from the Nixon stigma. Running as an “Independent Republican” before the name changed back implies absolutely nothing about the candidate’s personal views. IR’s have come in all stripes, from the very conservative Alan Quist, to the fairly liberal Arne Carlson.

notropis on May 23, 2011 at 1:03 PM

Tpaw is better than Mitt, or huntsman or Cain and I think his experience beats out bachmann. So yeah he is on my short list but some of these quotes and attacks are making my sure he isn’t my first choice.

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Ditto. He currently is my second choice but there is a quantum leap between 1st and 2nd.

Kataklysmic on May 23, 2011 at 1:03 PM

The party was called I-R at that time, but Pawlenty didn’t have anything to do with changing it in the 1970s. Democrats are called DFL here, too. Had I moved to Minnesota before 1995, my only GOP option would have been I-R.

Ed Morrissey on May 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

So the Republicans didn’t exist at the time. Who was the third party that ran as someone mentioned above?

sharrukin on May 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Hollow: Thank you for informing me that you are not worth my time.

Scott H on May 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM

And what part of that do you find offensive? Are we anarchists now? Are you suggesting that Walker’s effort to become “more proactive, more aggressive” in dealing with the “entrenched interests” of the public unions was objectionable? Or efforts by St. Sarah (pbuh) to “take on” the oil company special interests?

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

I find this part offensive:

Government has to be more proactive, more aggressive

.”

government needs to be reactive not proactive. Walker and Palin’s actions were reactions. they were not proactions. I worry about any politican that thinks governments are a force for good instead of a necassary evil to curtail the excesses of human nature. And I find it very offesnive to say govenrment should be more

agressive

against people and businesses.

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 1:05 PM

It’s an ego boost to be among the smartest people in the room, even if it’s a room largely populated by those who once rode the short bus.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 1:03 PM

You vastly overrate yourself.

kingsjester on May 23, 2011 at 1:07 PM

He might be the least bad.

WisCon on May 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM

That’s the way I’m starting to look at it.

It might sound depressing, but more often than not the choice usually does come down to a “lesser of evils”. Anyone holding out for a candidate who is perfect on both the ideological and electability fronts will- again- be sorely disappointed.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 1:09 PM

So the Republicans didn’t exist at the time. Who was the third party that ran as someone mentioned above?

sharrukin on May 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Are you being intentionally dense? The Republicans existed as much then as now. The name change was an attepmt at re-branding, which largely failed. The only third party in Minnesota which garners many votes is the “Independence” party, which was a sort of offshoot of the “Reform” party, and gave us Jesse Ventura.

notropis on May 23, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Look whom the fear

President Obama’s re-election campaign is trying to dig up dirt in the Garden State.

Despite New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s repeated pronouncements that he will not seek the GOP presidential nomination, Obama operatives are compiling a dossier of what they call “opposition research” — material that could be used to damage Christie if he changes his mind, The Post has learned.
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Schadenfreude on May 23, 2011 at 12:41 PM

I thought they afeared Huntsman?

kringeesmom on May 23, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Unseen: While I’m still awaiting a final word on that quote, consider the source. The Star Tribune is not exactly a media outlet I’d trust to get a conservative’s words right.

Scott H on May 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM

yeah i know that is why I did some more research to get both sides. that link to that blog I posted gives the best of both sides on the issue I have been able to find. Tpaw’s campaign response as well as the quote and the blog owner’s take which seems like it is anti-Tpaw. So take of it what you want. I spend some time last night doing the research on Tpaw. I came away with an “shrug” nothing real bad, nothing real good, some big questions on his character and some flipflops. I was looking more for the tpye of character Tpaw. some think he is an idea man some think he is a headline grabber.

So at the end of my quick research I cam away with some good, some bad some more questions and a massive feeling of nonexcitment. his record reads like a typical politican able to climb on the popular issue of the day. I diodn’t see much of a forward thinker mor eof a person that was able to ride the rapids. Like i said not my first choice but better than some on the field. so I put him on my short list. mostly likely 3rd.

his support of michelle obama’s food police is the most roubling recent position Tpaw has taken…

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Tpaw is better than Mitt, or huntsman or Cain and I think his experience beats out bachmann. So yeah he is on my short list but some of these quotes and attacks are making my sure he isn’t my first choice.

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

We have to run a governor this time. McCain was a disaster and 0bama only won because of ACORN and the feel-goodism that it brought to whites with guilt.
I don’t think guilt will play into it this time…

OmahaConservative on May 23, 2011 at 1:17 PM

It’s an ego boost to be among the smartest people in the room, even if it’s a room largely populated by those who once rode the short bus.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 1:03 PM

Oh my. Tee hee.

petunia on May 23, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Are you being intentionally dense? The Republicans existed as much then as now. The name change was an attepmt at re-branding, which largely failed. The only third party in Minnesota which garners many votes is the “Independence” party, which was a sort of offshoot of the “Reform” party, and gave us Jesse Ventura.

notropis on May 23, 2011 at 1:11 PM

No moron the Republicans didn’t exist at that time in Minnesota, or Ed is lying about that which I doubt.

From what I have read the I-R were a more leftist version of the national Republicans similar to the Progressive Conservatives in Canada who later became just the Conservatives.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/12/24/true-grit/

The GOP during the “Independent Republican” era – the years after Watergate, when the MNGOP rechristened itself the “Independent Republican” party, to break with the national GOP – was a throwback to the national GOP of the Eisenhower years, which was vastly more “communitarian” than libertarian or fiscally conservative.

And there are plenty who wanted, and still want, the GOP to remain that party – basically DFLers with better suits; a party that believed “Fiscal Responsibility” meant making sure you tax enough to run government…

It seems there was more than just a name change involved.

sharrukin on May 23, 2011 at 1:19 PM

Like i said not my first choice but better than some on the field. so I put him on my short list. mostly likely 3rd.

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Who is your second choice? Perry?

Kataklysmic on May 23, 2011 at 1:19 PM

It might sound depressing, but more often than not the choice usually does come down to a “lesser of evils”. Anyone holding out for a candidate who is perfect on both the ideological and electability fronts will- again- be sorely disappointed.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 1:09 PM

I doubt any person is perfect ideologically. If they are they haven’t had enough experience.

But electability is often a result of being in the right place at the right time.

petunia on May 23, 2011 at 1:20 PM

He might be the least bad.

WisCon on May 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Yep. It’s all relative. Everything else is wishful thinking.

a capella on May 23, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Was Pawlenty asked about the following:

1. State billions in red under his governorship?

2. His support for Cap ‘n Tax? (altho, supposedly he has taken that back – flip floppin?

3. His support for automotive tax per mile?

4. His support for interest free Sharia friendly loan program?

5. Where was he in the Al Franken stolen election?

Amjean on May 23, 2011 at 1:23 PM

5. Where was he in the Al Franken stolen election?

Amjean on May 23, 2011 at 1:23 PM

Doing his job, the authority of which does not include overseeing the election process. That fell under the responsibility of the Atty General, a Democrat. Pawlenty had little or no say in the matter.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Tim Pawlenty’s home town newspaper ran his prez announcement on the obituary page….

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/05/tim_pawlenty_presidential_announcement_obituaries.php

idesign on May 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

City Pages? Really?

It’s a free “alternative” far-left paper that’s best known for bar and “escort” service advertisements, and music reviews with the occasional leftist column thrown in.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Don’t shoot the messenger on this, City Pages is just relaying the Pioneer Press reportage placement. (The Pioneer Press being one of the two major newspapers in Minnesota (Twin Cities area).
And, besides, the PP’s choice of placement is good for a chuckle.

whatcat on May 23, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Who is your second choice? Perry?

Kataklysmic on May 23, 2011 at 1:19 PM

right now I have no 2nd choice it is an open slot.

1st choice Palin

2nd choice ??????(player to be named later)

3rd choice Tpaw

there is just such a gulf between Palin and Tpaw that I think there must be somebody out there able to fill the void. I was thinking cain might be able to fill it but after his massive failure of the interview last night. It dropped way down the list….second look at Santuroum?

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Doing his job, the authority of which does not include overseeing the election process. That fell under the responsibility of the Atty General, a Democrat. Pawlenty had little or no say in the matter.

Hollowpoint on May 23, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Well so much for proactive government.

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 1:38 PM

….second look at Santuroum?

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Ugggghhh

OmahaConservative on May 23, 2011 at 1:48 PM

….second look at Santuroum?

unseen on May 23, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Obama wins by 70/30%.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM

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