Krauthammer: C’mon, Herman Cain’s candidacy is for entertainment purposes only

posted at 9:50 pm on May 20, 2011 by Allahpundit

Via the Right Scoop, I’m not nearly as sure as Kraut is that this is true. If Palin surprises everyone by staying out, Iowa will be wide open for a “true conservative” to emerge. And if Cain finishes well there, he’ll be well positioned to surprise people in his backyard of South Carolina. Doesn’t mean he’ll be the nominee, but it’s very easy to imagine him being a factor in the nomination given his grassroots support. If Palin does jump in, I don’t know how the base goes about trying to decide between them. Palin has held public office and Cain hasn’t, but Cain doesn’t have the sort of image problem out of the box that she has to overcome. How does the vote split between the two of them and Bachmann in Iowa? Somewhere Romney and Pawlenty consultants are reading that question and thinking: “Hopefully very evenly.”

I guess Kraut figures that since he’ll soon be alienating the base by criticizing Palin after she announces, he might as well go the whole nine yards and tweak Cain too. Speaking of which, the Herminator is now officially in. His formal announcement will come tomorrow.


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I’m in a swing state and talk to a lot of people. I’ve verified what the polls say about Palin. People [indies] don’t take her seriously.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 12:57 PM

yeah because talking to some people is “facts on the ground” You really are kind of slow aren’t you

unseen on May 21, 2011 at 1:00 PM

It’s just you. Sometimes when someone likes a certain candidate, they can’t see the other candidates objectively.

Elisa on May 21, 2011 at 12:56 PM

He’s getting a little better as he goes on further in the speech. It was über-gimmicky earlier on and rubbed me the wrong way.

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 1:00 PM

And your repetition of this nonsense confirms you’re an idiot. Only have one lolly, you’ll have to share with Pseudo.

JetBoy on May 21, 2011 at 12:56 PM

And you’re a Moby.

The day will come, hopefully soon, when everyone will realize it.

Meanwhile, please do continue with the ad hominem attacks, your contempt sustains me.

Rebar on May 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Why is Cain wearing shades? That’s a political no-no.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM

“We shouldn’t be suing Arizona, we should be sending them a prize. . . .there’s a major disconnect.”

Elisa on May 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM

I’m in a swing state and talk to a lot of people. I’ve verified what the polls say about Palin. People [indies] don’t take her seriously.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Well then she’ll get nowhere. Problem solved.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:03 PM

Why is Cain wearing shades? That’s a political no-no.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM

That might be part of the reason he comes across as a mega church pastor type.

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 1:04 PM

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Patience, my friend. Let’s give him the summer to learn the small stuff. Then we can see if he’s up to it for the general.

If he has a major fall early, then forget it. But a few tiny stumbles, we can see as growing pains. This is the time for that. We have a year from the Fall.

Elisa on May 21, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Lots of people are Reaganites. This does not mean we should compare them to him.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Of course not because we don’t compare how chrisitians comform to the teachings of Christ…..

You really are a card carrying member of the confederacy of dunces aren’t you

unseen on May 21, 2011 at 1:05 PM

And your repetition of this nonsense confirms you’re an idiot. Only have one lolly, you’ll have to share with Pseudo.

JetBoy on May 21, 2011 at 12:56 PM

You’re better than that type of rhetoric.

CWforFreedom on May 21, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Meanwhile, please do continue with the ad hominem attacks, your contempt sustains me.

Rebar on May 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM

The irony, and the skull, is thick with this one.

JetBoy on May 21, 2011 at 1:05 PM

yeah because talking to some people is “facts on the ground” You really are kind of slow aren’t you

unseen on May 21, 2011 at 1:00 PM

The world according to unseen:

Don’t believe the polls, as they are controlled by a conspiracy.

Don’t believe what you see with your own eyes, it’s anecdotal.

How do we do this?

anyone that believes a poll without verifying it with facts on the ground are beyond stupid.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:06 PM

You’re better than that type of rhetoric.

CWforFreedom on May 21, 2011 at 1:05 PM

I’m in a mood. But you’re right. I digress, and move on.

JetBoy on May 21, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Elitist snob! STFU up Dr. K!

Winebabe on May 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Well then she’ll get nowhere. Problem solved.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:03 PM

Republicans aren’t indies.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Patience, my friend. Let’s give him the summer to learn the small stuff. Then we can see if he’s up to it for the general.

Elisa on May 21, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Cain doesn’t have that luxury. If he doesn’t catch fire quickly, he’ll be tagged as another Alan Keyes.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM

You’re better than that type of rhetoric.

CWforFreedom on May 21, 2011 at 1:05 PM

No, he’s not.

Rebar on May 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM

“We don’t need to rewrite the Constitution, we need to reread it.”

Elisa on May 21, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Cain doesn’t have that luxury. If he doesn’t catch fire quickly, he’ll be tagged as another Alan Keyes.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM

He has a few months to catch fire. But if he doesn’t he is totally different from Alan Keyes, (who I love, but is not electable in the USA)

Elisa on May 21, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Darn, I have to go. Will have to listen to the rest on tape and read here later.

Love you guys.

Elisa on May 21, 2011 at 1:09 PM

He has a few months to catch fire. But if he doesn’t he is totally different from Alan Keyes, (who I love, but is not electable in the USA)

Elisa on May 21, 2011 at 1:08 PM

He’s smoother than Keyes, but he has to loose the shades.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Imagine Cain in a a debate with the President, or with Biden…

equanimous on May 21, 2011 at 1:11 PM

He’s gonna catch hell for the “free at last” bit at the end. The libs are gonna love that.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Don’t believe the polls, as they are controlled by a conspiracy.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Nah, not controlled by a conspiracy, but certainly influenced by the opinions of “anonymous GOP insiders” to a certain extent, which contributes to an overall image. How many GOPers rushed to Palin’s defense in the wake of the Tucson thing? Not many.

Well then she’ll get nowhere. Problem solved.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:03 PM

Republicans aren’t indies.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Well if they don’t vote in the GOP primaries, and Palin happens to be the one that GOP voters want, then tough toenails. Maybe we should bypass primaries and campaigns and just consult where Gallup is in, say, January of 2012. The candidate who has the most favorable rating among indies is the GOP candidate. Wanna go for it?

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM

The crowd is chanting “yes we can” — great.

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 1:13 PM

I would give my right arm to have Reagan back…but this ain’t 1980 anymore.

JetBoy on May 21, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Reagan wasn’t even Reagan in 1980. People forget this. He was a running joke among the elite. I remember; I covered the 1980 New England primaries as a cub reporter for a Boston radio station. I’ve said this before, so sorry to repeat myself. But I cannot remember interviewing an “objective” observer who took Reagan seriously. He was over the hill, a bumbling cue-card reading relic, a disaster-in-waiting for the Republican party. The conventional wisdom was that George Bush was the modern, technocratic, experienced, level-headed mainstream choice, the only one who could defeat Jimmy Carter.

Then I remember attending a Reagan rally in New Hampshire, and experiencing the enthusiasm.

rrpjr on May 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM

Herman’s laugh sounds like a Howard Dean scream. He’ll have to work on that, too.

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 1:15 PM

How do we do this?

anyone that believes a poll without verifying it with facts on the ground are beyond stupid.
toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:06 PM

there are many ways to measure a person’s support with facts on the ground. votes are the best way, then there is crowd size. the fact that cain brought 10,000 to Altanta is a good fact that his rise in the polls is being confirmed with facts. book sales, TV ratings, fund raising, hard core supporters/defenders. polls are the worse way to determine someone’s support level and 18 months out they are more a matter of name recongintion then anything else.

Huck’s poll numbers were never confirmed with facts on the ground because his TV show never spiked in the ratings, he was unable to raise funds, he didn’t bring in large crowds to hear him speak and online comments didn’t spike on threads and news stories about him.

Cain so far has a couple facts in his favor. He still will have to show an ability to raise funds.

But I know all those facts and figures is probably too much for you to understand in one outing. so you will dismiss all of it because “your friend” told you he/she/it didn’t like this person or that person.

Liberals in NYC couldn’t understand how Nixon won because they didn’t know anyone that voted for him.

unseen on May 21, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Nah, not controlled by a conspiracy, but certainly influenced by the opinions of “anonymous GOP insiders” to a certain extent, which contributes to an overall image. How many GOPers rushed to Palin’s defense in the wake of the Tucson thing? Not many.

All we have to do is read the internals of the polls to know that’s BS.

Well if they don’t vote in the GOP primaries, and Palin happens to be the one that GOP voters want, then tough toenails. Maybe we should bypass primaries and campaigns and just consult where Gallup is in, say, January of 2012. The candidate who has the most favorable rating among indies is the GOP candidate. Wanna go for it?

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM

If we nominate Palin, we’re going down in flames. If 0bama is re-elected, I’m moving to a more reasonable nation that’s not on the verge of financial ruin.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:16 PM

rrpjr on May 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM

Eggggggzackly….

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:18 PM

All we have to do is read the internals of the polls to know that’s BS.

So Palin’s unfavorables are ALL her own doing. Riiiiiiiight. B.s.

If we nominate Palin, we’re going down in flames. If 0bama is re-elected, I’m moving to a more reasonable nation that’s not on the verge of financial ruin.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Get ready to move, then, because if we nominate RomneyDanielsPawlenty, we’re going to down in flames even quicker.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM

there are many ways to measure a person’s support with facts on the ground. votes are the best way, then there is crowd size. the fact that cain brought 10,000 to Altanta is a good fact that his rise in the polls is being confirmed with facts. book sales, TV ratings, fund raising, hard core supporters/defenders. polls are the worse way to determine someone’s support level and 18 months out they are more a matter of name recongintion then anything else.

Huck’s poll numbers were never confirmed with facts on the ground because his TV show never spiked in the ratings, he was unable to raise funds, he didn’t bring in large crowds to hear him speak and online comments didn’t spike on threads and news stories about him.

Cain so far has a couple facts in his favor. He still will have to show an ability to raise funds.

But I know all those facts and figures is probably too much for you to understand in one outing. so you will dismiss all of it because “your friend” told you he/she/it didn’t like this person or that person.

Liberals in NYC couldn’t understand how Nixon won because they didn’t know anyone that voted for him.

unseen on May 21, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Elections come AFTER THE POLLS. We don’t have elections every day. That’s why we have polls. The election results are usually in line with the previous polls.

Rally attendance can be misleading. One may have a strong core of supporters that’ll walk over broken glass for their candidate [like you for Palin], but one has to attract voters that are more casual about politics. We call them indies.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM

People [indies] don’t take her seriously

It’s the “let’s sell our soul and philosphic and moral principles to attract those indies” meme again. Let the indies come to us if they want to save their “indie” pendance.

This is but straight from the thinking of the Obama crowd. “Pick a RINO please.”

Don’t we ever get it?

Don L on May 21, 2011 at 1:25 PM

Rally attendance can be misleading. One may have a strong core of supporters that’ll walk over broken glass for their candidate [like you for Palin], but one has to attract voters that are more casual about politics. We call them indies.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM

So as I said we should dispense with primaries and campaigns and just go by what Gallup tells us indies want. The one with the highest numbers among indies is the one we go with. Saves time, money and energy.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:26 PM

So Palin’s unfavorables are ALL her own doing. Riiiiiiiight. B.s.

Her negatives are partially her fault, as she’s not smooth enough with the media, and it’s also the liberal media smelling blood in the water.

Get ready to move, then, because if we nominate RomneyDanielsPawlenty, we’re going to down in flames even quicker.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Bush was squishy and he served two terms. The USA is tired of 0bama, but America is not yearning for conservatism. If we were, there would be strong support to cut entitlements.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Don’t we ever get it?

Don L on May 21, 2011 at 1:25 PM

No. It’ll probably happen again. Following the toliver strategy in 2008, we would’ve had McCain anyway.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:29 PM

It’s the “let’s sell our soul and philosphic and moral principles to attract those indies” meme again. Let the indies come to us if they want to save their “indie” pendance.

This is but straight from the thinking of the Obama crowd. “Pick a RINO please.”

Don’t we ever get it?

Don L on May 21, 2011 at 1:25 PM

We should nominate the most conservative leader THAT CAN BE ELECTED.

Palin is unelectable at this time. Things may change down the road, but as of today, indies take a jackass like Trump more seriously than Palin.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Get ready to move, then, because if we nominate RomneyDanielsPawlenty, we’re going to down in flames even quicker.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Bush was squishy and he served two terms. The USA is tired of 0bama, but America is not yearning for conservatism. If we were, there would be strong support to cut entitlements.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:26 PM

There’s no way in hell any of the three I mentioned is ever going to beat Obama. Get over it.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:31 PM

No. It’ll probably happen again. Following the toliver strategy in 2008, we would’ve had McCain anyway.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:29 PM

After eight years of Bush,Iraq and an economic meltdown, selling a Republican in 08 was an uphill battle to say the least. Nominating a fossil made it worse.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM

The “meme” that Governor Palin only interviews with friendly media is completely false. Below is the link to some but not all of her interviews with MSM venues during the past year.

http://conservatives4palin.com/2010/12/gmas-co-anchor-robin-roberts-to-interview-governor-palin.html

And of course she had an extensive interview with Barbara Walters of ABC, and an hour with Oprah, both last year as well. Additionally, we must be mindful that Goveror Palin is a “paid” contributor to FOX News, which certainly explains why she appears on their programs so often, and FOX News channel exceeds the audience of all of their cable news competitors.

SheetAnchor on May 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM

There’s no way in hell any of the three I mentioned is ever going to beat Obama. Get over it.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:31 PM

You may be correct, but it’s way too early to tell. None of those three are unelectable like Palin though.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:33 PM

We should nominate the most conservative leader THAT CAN BE ELECTED.

Palin is unelectable at this time. Things may change down the road, but as of today, indies take a jackass like Trump more seriously than Palin.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:30 PM

I’ll say it again: let’s just go with Gallup next year and let the polls choose our candidate. What’s wrong with that scenario, toliver?

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:33 PM

None of those three are unelectable like Palin though.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:33 PM

All three are even more unelectable than Palin is. At least Palin would start out with a base of support consisting of something more than establishment hacks and various pundits.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:36 PM

And of course she had an extensive interview with Barbara Walters of ABC, and an hour with Oprah, both last year as well. Additionally, we must be mindful that Goveror Palin is a “paid” contributor to FOX News, which certainly explains why she appears on their programs so often, and FOX News channel exceeds the audience of all of their cable news competitors.

SheetAnchor on May 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM

Talking about her family and her reality show with Walters and Oprah isn’t exactly getting into the nitty gritty of domestic and foreign policy. For example, she needs to talk in detail about which SCOTUS decisions she doesn’t agree with. Remember what happened last time?

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Things may change down the road, but as of today, indies take a jackass like Trump more seriously than Palin.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Not true.

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 1:37 PM

Bush was squishy and he served two terms. The USA is tired of 0bama, but America is not yearning for conservatism. If we were, there would be strong support to cut entitlements.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:26 PM

How do you explain the 2010 election results.

Are you saying that more liberal and liberal-lite candidates won more seats than conservative candidates?

If so, could you please name these liberal and liberal-lite candidates?

If not, then please explain how things have changed since 2010 so that people have now decided they want liberal policies over the more conservative policies they supported just a year and a half ago?

chief on May 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Reagan wasn’t even Reagan in 1980. People forget this. He was a running joke among the elite.

rrpjr on May 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM

He was also hated by the religious right. The Jesse Helms crowd despised him with a passion.

MJBrutus on May 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM

I’ll say it again: let’s just go with Gallup next year and let the polls choose our candidate. What’s wrong with that scenario, toliver?

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Candidates can often shape the polls. Palin has done that already. We’ve seen the results. We haven’t seen the results with other leaders yet.

All three are even more unelectable than Palin is. At least Palin would start out with a base of support consisting of something more than establishment hacks and various pundits.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Having had to watch 0bama spend us into ruin has created a strong base and subsequent turnout. That’s not the problem. The indies are the problem.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Not true.

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 1:37 PM

That’s what the polls said. Oh I forgot about the conspiracy. Nevermind.

How do you explain the 2010 election results.

Are you saying that more liberal and liberal-lite candidates won more seats than conservative candidates?

If so, could you please name these liberal and liberal-lite candidates?

If not, then please explain how things have changed since 2010 so that people have now decided they want liberal policies over the more conservative policies they supported just a year and a half ago?

chief on May 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM

2010 was a backlash in many a Congressional district and Senate race. A national election is different. We can’t nominate someone indies are CONVINCED is unserious.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Reagan wasn’t even Reagan in 1980. People forget this. He was a running joke among the elite.

rrpjr on May 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM

He was also hated by the religious right. The Jesse Helms crowd despised him with a passion.

MJBrutus on May 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM

You’re an absolute blooming idiot.

I’ll say it again: let’s just go with Gallup next year and let the polls choose our candidate. What’s wrong with that scenario, toliver?

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Candidates can often shape the polls. Palin has done that already. We’ve seen the results. We haven’t seen the results with other leaders yet.

So far, we have. Daniels and Pawlenty are still mired in the single digits after quite a bit of publicity. Scratch those. But you still didn’t answer the question.

For example, she needs to talk in detail about which SCOTUS decisions she doesn’t agree with. Remember what happened last time?

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Seeing as how she wasn’t up for a SC vacancy, that’s probably a little less dire than Pawlenty’s vacant answer to “When did you decide to run for president?” And I’ll bet that disqualify HIM in your estimation, now does it?

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:45 PM

These debates about electability are absurd. But I guess people enjoy them. “Electability” is an inchoate and unquantifiable factor that is only discovered in the process. And it is never really, finally known as a contemporaneuous, living thing.

To define it according to what various interested and influential parties beyond or outside the public say it is, is to become already part of a world that they wish to construct for you. I’m sure they’re delighted by your participation.

rrpjr on May 21, 2011 at 1:47 PM

For example, she needs to talk in detail about which SCOTUS decisions she doesn’t agree with. Remember what happened last time?

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Wow, just like last night you continue to hold Palin to a different standard than you do the other potential candidates.

Can you link to the interviews where Romney, T-Paw, Daniels, Huntsman, or any of the other potential candidates have talked about SCOTUS decisions they don’t agree with?

Hell, last night you couldn’t even link any interviews where these other candidates excelled during a MSM interview.

I think you are full of shit and using a double standard for Palin and the other candidates.

It’s quite pathetic.

chief on May 21, 2011 at 1:48 PM

That’s what the polls said. Oh I forgot about the conspiracy. Nevermind.

Actually, the most recent polls before Trump dropped out had Palin doing significantly better against Obama than he did.

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 1:55 PM

We can’t nominate someone indies are CONVINCED is unserious.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Oh yeah, bring on the great GOP squish!!

We will win in a landslide.

Do you really think a candidate can survive a primary and end up the winner and be considered ‘unserious’?

That makes no sense to me.

chief on May 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM

He was also hated by the religious right. The Jesse Helms crowd despised him with a passion.

MJBrutus on May 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM

How’s that? “Hate,” “despise with passion”? It’s not how I remember things (and Jesse Helms was no national tribune of the “religious right”). Reagan swept the Southern primaries, handily winning both Carolinas.

rrpjr on May 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Seeing as how she wasn’t up for a SC vacancy, that’s probably a little less dire than Pawlenty’s vacant answer to “When did you decide to run for president?” And I’ll bet that disqualify HIM in your estimation, now does it?

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Someone that wants to be Prez should be able to rattle off several SCOTUS cases and why they are good or bad. Palin utterly failed to answer the question other than say Roe v. Wade. She was asked point-blank to name another case. Nothing. Her knowledge was lacking.

So far, we have. Daniels and Pawlenty are still mired in the single digits after quite a bit of publicity. Scratch those. But you still didn’t answer the question.

People’s minds aren’t made up on the three politicians you mentioned. People’s minds are made up about Palin. It’ll take a while to change that. It’s very very early in the election cycle. Candidates will emerge later.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM

chief on May 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM

odn’t bother he isn’t smart enough to understand facts on the ground like elections……

unseen on May 21, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Why is Cain wearing shades? That’s a political no-no.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM

You’ve never been to Georgia? Where Cain was speaking, no trees and the temps are rising here today.

The crowd is chanting “yes we can” — great.

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Actually, they were chanting “Yes We Cain.”

moonsbreath on May 21, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Actually, they were chanting “Yes We Cain.”

moonsbreath on May 21, 2011 at 1:58 PM

But that’s ungrammatical!
/

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 1:59 PM

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM

I know it sucks that your caniddate cna’t win the GOP nomination. If only the moderates had a no labels [arty where they can put up their candidate than you candodate could win. If I wanted a moderate as a nominee of my party I would be a moderate not a republican.

unseen on May 21, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Oh yeah, bring on the great GOP squish!!

We will win in a landslide.

Do you really think a candidate can survive a primary and end up the winner and be considered ‘unserious’?

That makes no sense to me.

chief on May 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Indies aren’t Republicans.

Wow, just like last night you continue to hold Palin to a different standard than you do the other potential candidates.

Can you link to the interviews where Romney, T-Paw, Daniels, Huntsman, or any of the other potential candidates have talked about SCOTUS decisions they don’t agree with?

Hell, last night you couldn’t even link any interviews where these other candidates excelled during a MSM interview.

I think you are full of shit and using a double standard for Palin and the other candidates.

It’s quite pathetic.

chief on May 21, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Her answer to that question was as bad as it gets. One can only go up from there. I’d bet the others you mentioned would do better.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM

People’s minds aren’t made up on the three politicians you mentioned. People’s minds are made up about Palin. It’ll take a while to change that. It’s very very early in the election cycle. Candidates will emerge later.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Oh, so those others are going to have to rely on campaigns and stuff to make people stop yawning when they hear their names. We can’t go on polls now? Why not? People know Romney pretty well already, and he doesn’t seem to be setting fires anywhere either.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM

I know it sucks that your caniddate cna’t win the GOP nomination. If only the moderates had a no labels [arty where they can put up their candidate than you candodate could win. If I wanted a moderate as a nominee of my party I would be a moderate not a republican.

unseen on May 21, 2011 at 1:59 PM

It’s too early for me to have a candidate.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:01 PM

The notion that Govenor Palin is unelectable is false. In today’s political environment the country is divided. Democratic voters will vote for the Democratic nominee, in this case, the President. Republican voters will vote for the Repubican nominee. The only question is who will be the Republican nominee. If the nominee is Governor Palin, she will have no problem getting Republicans to vote for her in huge numbers; and in consideration of the electoral map, she will have no problem winning every state won by President Bush twice. Ohio and Florida each turned bright red in the last election. Even Wisconsin turned red! Independents will vote one way or the other depending on the state of the economy; and the economy will remain stagnet at best given the current policies of the President.

If Governor Palin gets in this race, she will run an aggressive campaign, generate huge volunteers, and raise the required money to articulate her record as a public official, her policy positions, and bring the electricity factor to the Republican candidacy in a way no other potential Republican nominee can. There are two political figures who can fill a stadium. One is the President of the United States. The other is the former Governor of Alaska.

The reason that Govenor Palin has remained in the cross hairs of the Democratic establishment for the past two years is because they fear no other Republican national political figure other than her. They recognize that there are 3 legs to the Republican electorate, all of which are essential for any Republican today to win the Presidency, namely, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and national security conservatives. Right now, the only Republican with an opportunity to garner the enthusiastic support of all 3 of these constituencies is Governor Palin, mainly because all of the other top tier Republicans have in one way or another during their careers alienated one of the 3 Republican constituencies. The Democrats do not fear Romney, Gingrich, Pawlenty, Daniels, Christie or any other potential Republican nominee. They fear Palin for one reason; and that is, she represents the potential to turn out Republican voters in large numbers sufficient to win the electoral vote, and thus the Presidency. Palin/West winner; Palin/Cain winner. Palin/Rubio winner. Palin/Kasich winner.

SheetAnchor on May 21, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Oh, so those others are going to have to rely on campaigns and stuff to make people stop yawning when they hear their names. We can’t go on polls now? Why not? People know Romney pretty well already, and he doesn’t seem to be setting fires anywhere either.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM

It’s still very early. Romney is kinda well known, and to the extent that he is well known, indies don’t think he’s an idiot.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:03 PM

These debates about electability are absurd. But I guess people enjoy them. “Electability” is an inchoate and unquantifiable factor that is only discovered in the process. And it is never really, finally known as a contemporaneuous, living thing.

To define it according to what various interested and influential parties beyond or outside the public say it is, is to become already part of a world that they wish to construct for you. I’m sure they’re delighted by your participation.

rrpjr on May 21, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Funny, but I think that electability is eminently “choate”. One starts by looking at the size of the base (those who would vote for His Nibs if he had the right letter after his name) for each party. Then one looks at how many beyond that is needed to capture a majority. Finally, one looks at the ability of a candidate to appeal to enough of those. We can talk about turnout, but in a national general election these days the base for each side will show at full strength pretty much.

MJBrutus on May 21, 2011 at 2:03 PM

As for what Krauthammer said about Cain, unfortunately he can be a bit of a snob. And, fortunately for America, Cain could very well easily take the South.

Come on people, Georgia needs to make-up for Jimmy Carter. That way, Gwinnett County can rename Jimmy Carter Blvd. to Herman Cain Blvd. and I’ll be very happy.

moonsbreath on May 21, 2011 at 2:03 PM

she will have no problem winning every state won by President Bush twice

SheetAnchor on May 21, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Palin will need indies if she is to win states like PA, OH and FL. Indies don’t like her. They think she’s a bimbo.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Romney is kinda well known, and to the extent that he is well known, indies don’t think he’s an idiot.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:03 PM

No, they think he’s a non-entity, which is even worse.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM

On a light note…Right now, there is one big elephant lurking just outside the room; and like it or not, we,and the Republican establishment, all know who she is! LOL

SheetAnchor on May 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM

No, they think he’s a non-entity, which is even worse.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM

There is little worse than idiot. If Romney gets the nomination [hope not] he’ll be an entity.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Her answer to that question was as bad as it gets. One can only go up from there. I’d bet the others you mentioned would do better.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Palin has admitted multiple times that the Couric interview was not her best moment.

I find it funny that you keep going back to an interview that is three years old.

Was the Couric interview worse than….

Romney implementing RomneyCare?

chief on May 21, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Palin will need indies if she is to win states like PA, OH and FL. Indies don’t like her. They think she’s a bimbo.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Most of the indies I talk to in Central Pennsylvania and around Philadelphia actually like her pretty well. Obama, not so much.

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 2:11 PM

I’m in a swing state and talk to a lot of people. I’ve verified what the polls say about Palin. People [indies] don’t take her seriously.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Oh, I see…..we can only vote for the ones those flip-flopping, fence-sitting independents want.
I could care less who they want, you give them more power than what they deserve.

tencole on May 21, 2011 at 2:12 PM

On a light note…Right now, there is one big elephant lurking just outside the room; and like it or not, we,and the Republican establishment, all know who she is! LOL

SheetAnchor on May 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Oh…..you must be talking about the one wearing the red stilettos and carrying that big nightstick. :)

tencole on May 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Indies will like most voters, vote their pocketbooks. Let’s see $4 gasoline, high inflation, high unemployment, rising interest rates, massive unfunded liabilities, socialized medicine, trillion dollar deficits for the foreseeable future as we head toward bankruptcy; and a weak and backwards foreign and defense policy; hmmmm…smells like victory. :)

SheetAnchor on May 21, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Was the Couric interview worse than….

Romney implementing RomneyCare?

chief on May 21, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Or worse than Cain who, on national tv, during a political debate, couldn’t answer a simnple question on Afghanistan….”I’ll have to get back to you on that”…..and to this day STILL can’t answer it because he doesn’t have “enough information”.

tencole on May 21, 2011 at 2:17 PM

There is little worse than idiot. If Romney gets the nomination [hope not] he’ll be an entity.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Changing minds from idiot to non-idiot is easier than changing minds from non-entity yawner to entity.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Indies will like most voters, vote their pocketbooks.

SheetAnchor on May 21, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Indies will flock to whichever candidate has the most enthusiastic base of support. They always do.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 2:22 PM

I’d bet the others you mentioned would do better.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM

buddy I hate to break this to you but it’s 2011 not 2008.

unseen on May 21, 2011 at 2:25 PM

MJBrutus on May 21, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Good enough. Take your elegant and choate formula and put it to use. There’s a fortune to be made, I’m sure.

rrpjr on May 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Or worse than Cain who, on national tv, during a political debate, couldn’t answer a simnple question on Afghanistan….”I’ll have to get back to you on that”…..and to this day STILL can’t answer it because he doesn’t have “enough information”.

tencole on May 21, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Or worse than T-Paw wanting to push policies to save the planet from ‘Global Warming’.

Or worse than Daniels admitting that he is not ready to debate a great foreign policy mind like Obama.

chief on May 21, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Indies will flock to whichever candidate has the most enthusiastic base of support. They always do.

pseudoforce on May 21, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Yep, thus President Obama.

tencole on May 21, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Tencole, you are right; that was not a great answer by Mr. Cain; and he and just about every other potential Republican nominee has yet to be placed under the microscope to the extent of Governor Palin over the past several years. Given all of the negative media she has relentlessly received over the past 2 years, it’s remarkable she is still in contention; and not only in contention, but led the fight against President Obama and the Democratic establishment in the last election. And they thought she was history after she resigned the Governor’s chair. The Democratic establishment knows that she is not to be “mis-underestimated.” She has unique “strategery!” LOL

SheetAnchor on May 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM

I don’t care who the GOP chooses. I would vote for Lassie over ObaME.

Winebabe on May 21, 2011 at 2:46 PM

How many of the would-be candidates have supported cap & trade, TARP, variations of Obamacare, and/or the stimulus? Selecting a candidate because of “viability” gives you leaders like Schwarzenegger… who gave us The Global Warming Solutions Act which is driving out all manufacturers from California. And 30+ billion dollars of debt. And an ENTIRELY Democrat-run state government.

We don’t need an Obama-clone with an “R” after the name. The D.C. elites didn’t think Reagan was viable either. They never think a real conservative is viable. The D.C. elites don’t have a great track record of success. Herman Cain does.

theCork on May 21, 2011 at 2:48 PM

So I stopped taking Krauthammers words as received wisdom after he told Sarah Palin “to leave the room”. It proved he was a fundamentally unserious person.

See

Sharr on May 21, 2011 at 2:54 PM

How many of the would-be candidates have supported cap & trade, TARP, variations of Obamacare, and/or the stimulus?

Why, I do believe Sarah Palin is the only one who has never supported any of the above.

We don’t need an Obama-clone with an “R” after the name. The D.C. elites didn’t think Reagan was viable either. They never think a real conservative is viable. The D.C. elites don’t have a great track record of success. Herman Cain does.

theCork on May 21, 2011 at 2:48 PM

FYI, Herman Cain was a vocal supporter of TARP and the bailouts back in 2008.

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 2:55 PM

This speech set the context for the upcoming Presidential election.

http://www.palintv.com/2011/04/16/governor-palins-speech-at-tea-party-rally-in-madison-wi-april-16-2011/

SheetAnchor on May 21, 2011 at 2:57 PM

FYI, Herman Cain was a vocal supporter of TARP and the bailouts back in 2008.

steebo77 on May 21, 2011 at 2:55 PM

I stand corrected, he’s still better than much of the field.

I’d consider Palin if she got in.

theCork on May 21, 2011 at 3:01 PM

It’s still very early. Romney is kinda well known, and to the extent that he is well known, indies don’t think he’s an idiot.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:03 PM

So you support Obamacare being fully implemented?

powerpro on May 21, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Here’s Cain’s position on TARP in his own words in 2008 and in defending his position in a youtube clip. You be the judge.

http://004eeb5.netsolhost.com/hc133.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmAvOxm2LUw

SheetAnchor on May 21, 2011 at 3:07 PM

indies don’t think he’s an idiot.

toliver on May 21, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Ohhhh….now THAT’S important. s/

tencole on May 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Depending on the final field I think Herman Cain can do quite well. In Iowa I believe he could be potentially this year’s “Mike Huckabee” in that he could come out of nowhere to win the Iowa Caucus. Nationally, not so sure. Krauthammer’s analysis is becoming more and more irrelevant as he and others in the beltway are increasingly out of touch with what is going on outside their bubble. He may not want to take Herman Cain seriously, but I can say in Iowa people are starting to pay attention.

Shane Vander Hart on May 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Jon Huntsman is than man to watch.

Reagan Republican on May 21, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Ohhhh….now THAT’S important. s/

tencole on May 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM

You see, tencole, it’s much better to give into their false impressions than it is to correct lies.

It’s much better to water down your message than it is to educate and inform the voters why something is necessary. You don’t want to do anything to tick them off, after all!

So stow away any passion for anything (that might upset their delicate sensibilities). And if the almighty POLLS say a year and a half out that a candidate is good, we must embrace that poll, for it is holy.

Amen.

powerpro on May 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM

I’m beginning to look like a prophet.

True_King on May 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Depending on the final field I think Herman Cain can do quite well. In Iowa I believe he could be potentially this year’s “Mike Huckabee” in that he could come out of nowhere to win the Iowa Caucus. Nationally, not so sure. Krauthammer’s analysis is becoming more and more irrelevant as he and others in the beltway are increasingly out of touch with what is going on outside their bubble. He may not want to take Herman Cain seriously, but I can say in Iowa people are starting to pay attention.

The GOP nominee will not be determined by the belt-way elite, but it also will not be determined by tea party radicals. Both have a role.

Reagan Republican on May 21, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Cain reminds a lot of his fellow talker in Atlanta, Neill Boortz. Likeable, but not suitable to win an election. The giveaway for me was his Fair Tax talk. Sure, I like the idea of a Fair Tax. I liked the idea when Huckster pitched it last time. But I also recognized it as nothing more than a pander coming from a candidate. A pander because it would take years just to get a Constitutional amendment ratified and the chances of that happening are vanishingly small. So small that it makes me want to know what plan B is, but I never hear of a plan B from these guys.

MJBrutus on May 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM

MJBrutus on May 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM

And, the puckering begins.

Key West Reader on May 21, 2011 at 3:38 PM

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