China giving fighter jets to Pakistan

posted at 10:33 am on May 20, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

Our allies in Pakistan may still have a wee bit of a burr under their saddle after SEAL Team Six’s unscheduled house call in the suburbs of Islamabad. At the same time as leaders in Washington have been calling for a reevaluation of our relationship with them, prominent figures in that country have been suggesting the same thing. But everyone needs friends, right? Enter China, with a shiny new gift for Pakistan.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — China has agreed to immediately provide 50 JF-17 fighter jets to Pakistan, a major outcome of a visit by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to Beijing this week, Pakistani officials said Thursday.

China and Pakistan have jointly produced the JF-17 aircraft, but the new planes would be equipped with more sophisticated avionics, the officials said. The latest jet fighters would be paid for by China, they said.

The announcement came as Pakistan’s already tense relations with the United States soured further after the killing of Osama bin Laden deep inside Pakistan on May 2.

Before we read too much into this, it’s worth noting that any tension between the United States and China these days is far more financial in nature, rather than seeing us poised on the brink of military conflict. But that doesn’t change the fact that China has historically been a thorn in our side where they pick sides with other countries with whom we have traditionally had chilly relations. (See: Iran.)

Is this a provocative move on the part of the Chinese? No doubt. It provides them with an opportunity to flex their burgeoning muscle on the world stage as they continue to expand in terms of both international trade and military presence. It’s worth noting that only this month there were confirmed reports that China’s first modern aircraft carrier could be heading out on its maiden voyage as early as this year.

Pakistan is looking to strengthen their hand in any upcoming negotiations and to reassure some of their citizens who are worried that they’ve been acting a bit too cozy with Washington. China gets to solidify their relationship in a region of geopolitical significance while strutting their stuff on the international stage. The real question is, what sort of response is available to the United States, if any?

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Did obaka expect this contingency?

ladyingray on May 20, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Well the Libertarians should be thrilled.

NickDeringer on May 20, 2011 at 10:35 AM

If they are of the same quality as Chinese consumer products, we have nothing to fear.

Vashta.Nerada on May 20, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Not one more dime

Sorry Charlie

cmsinaz on May 20, 2011 at 10:37 AM

Time to talk to India about enhanced military cooperation, maybe start holding some joint-operation wargames (if we aren’t already).

Still, you can give the Pak’s a slew of modern fighters, but flying them effectively in combat is another story.

Bishop on May 20, 2011 at 10:38 AM

The phone is ringing….. again……

ultracon on May 20, 2011 at 10:38 AM

“gutsy call” by the Chinese

J_Crater on May 20, 2011 at 10:39 AM

If they are manufactured with the same quality as the ball point pens, electronics and food products exported from the Red Communists, they should be able to down these jets without the use of ammo.

Hening on May 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Before we read too much into this, it’s worth noting that any tension between the United States and China these days is far more financial in nature, rather than seeing us poised on the brink of military conflict.

Hmm. That was also true of the Japanese during the run-up to Pearl Harbor.

unclesmrgol on May 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM

No worries, they will break within a year and no replacement parts will be available therefore the Pak’s will have to throw them away.

gator70 on May 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Look, China has just conducted a strategic resupply mission in its proxy war with the United States. What better way to defend against US assault missions against terrorist hideouts a block away from the Paki-West Point than with the hottest Chinese fighters? Moreover, do you think that these fighters will have some counter-drone capacity? Me thinks so.

ted c on May 20, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Who is going to teach them to fly them? Allah Akbar isn’t a command the jet will recognize and respond to.

csdeven on May 20, 2011 at 10:41 AM

I do not think India is too happy with this either. India and China are not friends either.

WashJeff on May 20, 2011 at 10:43 AM

The phone is ringing….. again……

ultracon on May 20, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Going to voicemail.

VegasRick on May 20, 2011 at 10:44 AM

Still, you can give the Pak’s a slew of modern fighters, but flying them effectively in combat is another story.

Bishop on May 20, 2011 at 10:38 AM

My reaction, too. Do the Paks have much of a pilot corps? How good is their training? I’m guessing “not very” but I don’t know.

jwolf on May 20, 2011 at 10:44 AM

Bishop on May 20, 2011 at 10:38 AM

India is key to nipping this in the bud. The Chinese don’t want India messing in their backyard so the Indians need to make the Chinese understand that Pakistan is considered their Taiwan.

Bill C on May 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Uh hoh please….
What are they going to do with them ?
Attack the U.S. military….?
HAhAHAHhAHAHHHAHAhHAAHHAHhahHAHhAha…..(wipes tear)

NeoKong on May 20, 2011 at 10:47 AM

The real question is, what sort of response is available to the United States, if any?

Glass Sand Castle’s anyone?

the_ancient on May 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM

The Pak pilots will all die of lead poisoning from the paint, seat cushions, controls, and anything else the Chinese have produced with their shoddy workmanship and inferior materials.

Bishop on May 20, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Time to check your labels people.

ronsfi on May 20, 2011 at 10:49 AM

So have the Paks joined “the rich” and Wisconsin Governor Walker on the official list of the Administration’s enemies yet?

Bruno Strozek on May 20, 2011 at 10:50 AM

Shades of the USA vs. USSSR in the 1960s & 70s.
Pakistan knows how to play one super power against another to reap lots of goodies.

albill on May 20, 2011 at 10:51 AM

1) With all due respect, the photo on the main page is of the wrong jet…

2) I don’t understand why you’re not getting the whole new cold war thing going on here Mr. Shaw. Can’t you see that at best the mercantilistic Chinese are our frenemies? That they’re marking time until they can beg/borrow/buy/steal (mostly buy & steal these days) enough technology to become a peer adversary?

Do you not “get” that they’ve long been pulling the strings in Islamabad? That the Pakis are their proxy, and using the Pakis proxy, the Taliban, to stick a finger in our eye the same way we did with the Soviets in the 80s? That they are also using the Paki’s large manpower, army, and nukes to counter-balance their other regional rival, the Indians?

Dude! What aren’t you getting here? These 50 fighters are direct payback for the Pakis keeping the remnants of the stealth helo long enough for the Chinese to take material samples and examine any key components left(hello, rotors? structure?); as well as “pay-forward” for continued service as their ersatz vassal…

I mean, I know the cold-war has been over for a while, and we’ve been playing “checkers” with jihadists, but it helps to remember the rules to the chessboard as well; especially when you have an aspiring peer adversary.

Respectfully confused

RocketmanBob on May 20, 2011 at 10:52 AM

It is all about China’s fear of India….and grabbing any raw resources in Afghanistan…

albill on May 20, 2011 at 10:52 AM

any tension between the United States and China these days is far more financial in nature, rather than seeing us poised on the brink of military conflict

Despite China’s enormous investments in military technology and ongoing attempts to steal superior technologies from the US and elsewhere.

In other words, Obama’s got his head stuck in the sand on China, so there’s no tension.

ProfessorMiao on May 20, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Why are we gving foreign aid to the Paki goat bangers??

We borrow money from China to “give” to Pakistan and then we pay interest on that money to China. Just let China give them the money…

PatriotRider on May 20, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Sounds like it is time for another Ron Paul Conspiracy Theory!

pilamaye on May 20, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Did obaka expect this contingency?

ladyingray on May 20, 2011 at 10:35 AM

That’s pretty funny….Obaka is married to Chewbaka….

Sorry…..I denounce myself.

Sponge on May 20, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Live fire practice for our US Navy.

wheelgun on May 20, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Putting aside the most critical factor of pilot training quality, this is nothing to be worried about.

I have read that this JF-17 is not an aircraft that is on par with it’s rivals in performance or reliability.

It cannot stand equal with the F-16 and F-18 from America, nor to the French Mirage 2000 series, nor the Russian Mig 29 or Sukhoi Su30 series. All of which, except the American jets, are in the Indian Air Force inventory.

It is inferior in speed, maneuverability, range, and avionics capability.

They bought this for political reasons mostly.

Brian1972 on May 20, 2011 at 10:56 AM

What are they going to do with them ?
Attack the U.S. military….?

NeoKong on May 20, 2011 at 10:47 AM

My first thought was, “Boy, wouldn’t it be a shame if something happened to those nice, shiny toys?”

taznar on May 20, 2011 at 10:56 AM

I’m pretty sure the Chinese are using this to leverage Pakistan against the Uighars, has the ISI hass a tendancy to train & support them just like the Taliban. Pakistan is a real cancer radical/proliferation sense.

ironmonger69 on May 20, 2011 at 10:56 AM

The Pak pilots will all die of lead poisoning from the paint, seat cushions, controls, and anything else the Chinese have produced with their shoddy workmanship and inferior materials.

Bishop on May 20, 2011 at 10:49 AM

If they are foolish enough, the Pak pilot’s also have a fightin’ chance to die of “hot lead poisoning”.

Let’s see: 50 jets divided by five kills to make an ace means …Hot Damn!

Bruno Strozek on May 20, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Meanwhile back at the White House, Obama, Michelle and company have popped the cork on their 8th bottle of champagne, after hearing this news. Toasting to Gods d@mning of America.

capejasmine on May 20, 2011 at 10:58 AM

If they are of the same quality as Chinese consumer products, we have nothing to fear.

Vashta.Nerada on May 20, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Laughed out loud at that one.

search4truth on May 20, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Bullish for US armament sales to India.

Viator on May 20, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Two words: Who cares?

The problem isn’t China, it’s the US (and no, I’m not a Ron Paul supporter, but I do like his economics). After billions of dollars in foreign aid what do we get? We get a supposed ally who is giving money (i.e. money we gave them) to the Taliban while the world’s most wanted terrorist resided in a compound miles from a military academy. And the Pakis have the audacity to say they didn’t know OBL was there. That’s a load of poppycock and everyone knows it.

I think it’s very indicative of the US’s foreign policy and exposes what a mess it is. I have a great idea: Let’s stop sending every country foreign aid. It always seems to bite us in the ass and gives the receiving country an excuse to reduce military spending on their part. I’ll never get over how the US gave billions of dollars to Egypt/Mubarak – essentially supporting a dictator – but once the people start rioting, we’re suddenly against dictatorships and in support of the people.

Does anyone not see how $*(#ed up our foreign policy is? It’s truly comical how hypocritical it is – and yet many here support it while saying with a straight face that they’re in support of freedom around the world.

Sleeper on May 20, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Pakistan Delenda Est!

They want to get all snuggly with the Chi-Coms. good. We’ll get all snuggly with the Indians. They knew they had Osama. They have to pay dearly for that. They can’t get away with screwing with us.

Iblis on May 20, 2011 at 11:02 AM

Bullish for US armament sales to India.

Viator on May 20, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Not exactly.

There is an outstanding bid competition for an order for new fighters from the Indian Air Force, but just a couple of weeks ago the proposals for F-16 export, and F-18 export were eliminated from consideration.

It is now down to the French Rafale, the Eurofighter Typhoon, and Russia’s MiG 30 and Su37 Flanker.

Brian1972 on May 20, 2011 at 11:02 AM

Rocketmanbob is correct, your pic is of a J-10, not a JF-17.

Slimm on May 20, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Time to check your labels people.

ronsfi on May 20, 2011 at 10:49 AM

I do, which is why I don’t buy too much these days.

Vashta.Nerada on May 20, 2011 at 11:05 AM

So China is giving these to Pakistan. I’m guessing they got a good long peek at the helicopter wreckage.

John Deaux on May 20, 2011 at 11:07 AM

Anyone else think it may be a nice time to give enough SAM batteries to India to cover their border with Pakistan?

teke184 on May 20, 2011 at 11:07 AM

So we give Pokemon billions in bribes to spend in China.

Only smart people understand why I guess.

Akzed on May 20, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Brian1972, I’ll stand by my statement. One fighter does not a policy make. I expect the budding US/India relationship, the clear technological advantage of US military technology, our military industrial complex, the economic and political expansion of India, and the growing cold war in South Asia will come to the fore. I don’t have the details of the Obama administrations relationship with India, especially when it comes to arms sales, these kind of sales are quasi-governmental and very political. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was dismal.

Viator on May 20, 2011 at 11:12 AM

Drone targets. Oops.

faraway on May 20, 2011 at 11:13 AM

“Timothy Roemer, the U.S. ambassador to India, announced Thursday he was leaving his post for professional and family reasons. “The new environment” reference in his 2009 cable concerned the emergence of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s government with “a clear mandate not beholden to coalition partners” for the first time since post-Cold War U.S.-Indian strategic ties took shape.

U.S. competitors use the economic sanctions imposed by Washington after Indian nuclear tests in 1998 to try to harm U.S. sales prospects, the cable said.

They also point to “our close defense relationship with Pakistan as rationale that the U.S. should not be trusted,” Roemer wrote in the message obtained by the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks and made available to Reuters by a third party.

The cable cited one unnamed source as saying the Indian army will never put U.S. equipment in divisions facing Pakistan, India’s historic foe, “because they expect the U.S. will stop military supplies in the event of Indo-Pak hostilities.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/30/us-india-defense-usa-idUSTRE73T0AE20110430

U.S. OKs record $2.1 billion arms sale to India

“One stumbling block for Boeing and Lockheed has been Indian qualms about standard “end-user” pacts designed to prevent leakage of sensitive U.S. technology to third countries. Such agreements are a routine part of U.S. government-to-government arms sale.

A similar form, known as DSP-83, had to be signed by Indian authorities for Boeing to have submitted its license request for the P-8I deal.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/03/16/us-india-usa-arms-idUSTRE52F6X520090316

Viator on May 20, 2011 at 11:21 AM

Yawn!!

The JF-17s cost about $15 million each. How much fighter is that compared to anything we have or used to have? the specs sounds like any of our mothballed F-4 Phantoms could blow them out of the sky.

AH_C on May 20, 2011 at 11:26 AM

This chafes the US jock but I’d think it’s really more of a message to India.

Hitherto Pakistan’s been a free-agent Indian antagonist; will they now start to coordinate their Indian policies with the Chinese on the other side?

JEM on May 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Hmm, looks like a payoff to keep the Paki military in-line.
Was there some wavering going on maybe?

Cause adding fighters (and these fighters) would not have stopped the ST6 incursion. Better radars, small mobile units, would have detected them, but little truck SAM radars(SA-9 to SA-13 series) aren’t very ‘flashy’, ya know?

orbitalair on May 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Shades of the USA vs. USSSR in the 1960s & 70s.
Pakistan knows how to play one super power against another to reap lots of goodies.

albill on May 20, 2011 at 10:51 AM

In the Star Trek world, the Pakistanis are obviously the Ferengi.

The JF-17s cost about $15 million each. How much fighter is that compared to anything we have or used to have? the specs sounds like any of our mothballed F-4 Phantoms could blow them out of the sky.

AH_C on May 20, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Its not necessarily the platform that wins the battle. I could strap an AGM-65 (Phoenix) system onto a Cessna 172 and shoot down anything that flies within 100 miles.

Secondly, when you have vast numbers of “expendable and cheap” assets, it becomes a numbers game…how many can we shoot down before we run out of weapons to shoot at them? And when that happens, how many of those “cheap and expendable” assets do they have left?

If they have more than you when you run out of ammo, you lose.

BobMbx on May 20, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Further web surfing reveals, that these are probably just the units that were behind schedule. PAK was to get these in 2008, or so they hoped. PAK hoped to build 25 per YEAR.

No specs on the radars, its either a chinese radar, or the PAKs were talking to France for a radar unit.

In 2010 the Chinese were to open these to export. Where Zimbabwe (among about 10 other bankrupt countries) are listed as interested buyers.

HTF can Zimbabwe buy ANYTHING?

orbitalair on May 20, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Its not necessarily the platform that wins the battle. I could strap an AGM-65 (Phoenix) system onto a Cessna 172 and shoot down anything that flies within 100 miles.

BobMbx on May 20, 2011 at 11:45 AM

You mean AIM-54 Phoenix (AGM-65 is the Maverick air-to-ground missile).

One AIM-54 missile by itself weighs about 1,000 lbs. I’d like to see a Cessna 172 try to carry just one :)

DarkCurrent on May 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM

I can’t think of a better friend for China than the Pakis. They are Muslims, they will be friends just like they are friends with America. Don’t you want to see them endlessly f*ck over the Chinese like they do America?

BL@KBIRD on May 20, 2011 at 12:04 PM

orbitalair, diamonds?

Zimbabwe To Trade Diamonds For Gold As It Prepares To Launch Gold-Backed Currency

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/zimbabwe-trade-diamonds-gold-it-prepares-launch-gold-backed-currency

Viator on May 20, 2011 at 12:09 PM

This reminds me of all the shiny new hardware I distributed to troops in Columbia, ElSalvador, Equador, Chile, and Panama in the 80′s. It was all brand new in the box and better than the Viet era M-60s and M-16A1s Army leftovers we Marines used.

Never the less, it didn’t help them shoot better, or improve their combat tactics. 6 months out much of it was unserviceable due to the lack of PM.

Although I’ve heard many Paki troops are truly professionals, I suspect a similar outcome here.

Alden Pyle on May 20, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Don’t you want to see them endlessly f*ck over the Chinese like they do America?

BL@KBIRD on May 20, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Their f*cking will come to a screeching halt after they manage to honk of the ChiComs enough to provoke a military response.

Uncle Sams Nephew on May 20, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Time to check your labels people.

ronsfi on May 20, 2011 at 10:49 AM

I do, which is why I don’t buy too much these days.

Vashta.Nerada on May 20, 2011 at 11:05 AM

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ronsfi on May 20, 2011 at 12:18 PM

The Chinese gave the Pakis nuclear knowledge and now the planes to carry the bombs. How about Chinese pilots too?

MaiDee on May 20, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Its not necessarily the platform that wins the battle. I could strap an AGM-65 (Phoenix) system onto a Cessna 172 and shoot down anything that flies within 100 miles.

Secondly, when you have vast numbers of “expendable and cheap” assets, it becomes a numbers game…how many can we shoot down before we run out of weapons to shoot at them? And when that happens, how many of those “cheap and expendable” assets do they have left?

If they have more than you when you run out of ammo, you lose.

BobMbx on May 20, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Oh I agree with you on the substance. :D
It’s just that the JF-17 ain’t all that in spite of the new/improved hype. And by contrast, the Phantom ia an old proven dog-fighter that can chew up this whelp, yet some compare this to F-16/F-18s. Puleeze.

All the same, every buck spent wasted on shiny war toys is a buck not spent on advancing jihad or improving their nuclear stash.

AH_C on May 20, 2011 at 12:52 PM

You mean AIM-54 Phoenix (AGM-65 is the Maverick air-to-ground missile).

One AIM-54 missile by itself weighs about 1,000 lbs. I’d like to see a Cessna 172 try to carry just one :)

DarkCurrent on May 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Brain fart…you’re correct.

The weapon itself was huge, needed constant cooling (from the F-14), and an electronics suite that would ground the Cessna like an anchor.

But you get my point….its not who tossed the grenade…its the grenade.

BobMbx on May 20, 2011 at 12:56 PM

MaiDee on May 20, 2011 at 12:29 PM

As with any weapon system, training has to come with it.

DamnYankee on May 20, 2011 at 1:02 PM

The whole world is being setup for some big tragedy. This, and 0bama wanting to screw Israel. Also, our unsecured borders and runaway spending. None of this is looking good.

Mirimichi on May 20, 2011 at 1:02 PM

So what is Barry’s next “smart diplomacy” move? Offer the Pakistani’s even more money?

GarandFan on May 20, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Red Flag Exercises at Nellis AFB – July 2010. In addition to U.S. aircraft, the Royal Saudi Air Force will fly F-15S, the Pakistan Air Force will participate in their first-ever Red Flag will fly the F-16Bs and the Republic of Singapore Air Force will fly the F-16CGs.

‘Spose the Pakis will bring their new stuff next time they’re invited to participate?

mike in NV on May 20, 2011 at 1:16 PM

This is a continuation of a policy the U.S. refers to as “The string of pearls”. AN attempt to set up ports and influence at most major global choke points that could affect China. For instance the new port at Gwadar, Pakistan was built and paid for by China and provides a potential naval port that could threaten the Straits of Hormuz.

The Chinese are playing the long game here folks and we’re playing checkers.

E9RET on May 20, 2011 at 1:19 PM

50 JF-17 fighter jets,
yeah that oughts keep an F22 busy for a good part of a morning.

esnap on May 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM

AH_C – The Phantom wasn’t all that much of a dogfighter in its heyday, and while it was a decently strong airframe there’s a reason you don’t see new designs that have closely-paired engines with fuel on top of them.

esnap – but by the time we’re done paying for our dusty-boots wars of pseudo-occupation we’re going to have what might be a few days of combat losses’ worth of F-22s.

JEM on May 20, 2011 at 1:51 PM

JEM on May 20, 2011 at 1:51 PM

What can I say? I have a big, big soft spot for the Lead Sled, Tomcat, Corsair II (SLUF) and most of all the Aardvark. 8)

I’m aware of the lessons learned & design limitations et al. But when you look at the F4, it just oozes brute force.

But you’re right. I’m worried about China asserting its military prowess sooner than later before we can reset from WOT.

AH_C on May 20, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Giving them to Packistan?? I had to buy mine at Harbor Freight. Inexpensive, but I don’t think it will stand up to industrial use.

SKYFOX on May 20, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Packistan = Pakistan

SKYFOX on May 20, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Here’s a nice picture: China Gives 50 JF-17 Fighter Jets to Pakistan

Looks much like an F-18. The picture on HA looks like a J-10 which looks suspiciously like an F-16. Such coincidences!

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Giving them to Packistan?? I had to buy mine at Harbor Freight. Inexpensive, but I don’t think it will stand up to industrial use.

SKYFOX on May 20, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Love that place.

slickwillie2001 on May 20, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Give Japan an aircraft carrier

Sackett on May 20, 2011 at 2:53 PM

BobMX & DarkCurrent

The AIM-54C variant is internally cooled, with advancements to the self-guiding radar system and electronic counter-counter measures. Total length, 11’8″. Total weight, 986lbs dry, 1020lbs with hyudraulic/coolant fluid. Radar guided, maximum range of 120nm, maximum velocity >3000mph. Warhead composed of 225lbs of high-energy incendiary explosives, surrounded by a double row of accordion-stacked steel rods. Multi-mode detonation via proximity, contact, or signal loss following final fusing by proximity.

It’s named the Phoenix, but nothing rises from the ashes it leaves behind.

Freelancer on May 20, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Still, you can give the Pak’s a slew of modern fighters, but flying them effectively in combat is another story.

Bishop on May 20, 2011 at 10:38 AM

That’s OK. We’ll train them.

davidk on May 20, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Looks like Pawkeestawn is getting a new sugar daddy…

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 20, 2011 at 4:39 PM

If they have more than you when you run out of ammo, you lose.

BobMbx on May 20, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Isn’t that what we did with Liberty ships in WWII. (Build more freighters than the Axis could build torpedoes.)

Give Japan an aircraft carrier

Sackett on May 20, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Allowing the remilitarization of Japan is a mistake.

Still, you can give the Pak’s a slew of modern fighters, but flying them effectively in combat is another story.

Bishop on May 20, 2011 at 10:38 AM

That’s OK. We’ll train them.

davidk on May 20, 2011 at 4:21 PM

The Pakies didn’t fly their Starfightes worth a darn in 71.

Slowburn on May 20, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Allowing the remilitarization of Japan is a mistake.

Slowburn on May 20, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Bull$h!t. Between the ChiComs and the No-Ko-Nutties, Japan will either remilitarize or it will become a sitting duck. And we may not be around much longer to back them up, either.

Uncle Sams Nephew on May 20, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Exactly, better to arm the Japanese ourselves and solidify our alliance.

Sackett on May 20, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Jazz, your posts are amateurish beyond an acceptable level.

Sherman1864 on May 20, 2011 at 8:50 PM

One AIM-54 missile by itself weighs about 1,000 lbs. I’d like to see a Cessna 172 try to carry just one :)
DarkCurrent on May 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Or that one tween the AIM-47 and the AIM-54, seem to recall it started with a “G” something?

GAR-X missile .25 kiloton version?

DSchoen on May 20, 2011 at 9:08 PM

It’s named the Phoenix, but nothing rises from the ashes it leaves behind.
Freelancer on May 20, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Also when launched it climbed to 80,000 ft to 100,000 ft and closed at Mach 5 on it’s target.
Mach 5 makes it a kinetic energy weapon. It’s also bad news for any bird flying in formation with the targeted bird.

During the Iraq/Iran war, Iran made some 70 kills with outdated Phoenix missiles. It got so bad for Iraq that if they thought they were being painted by a Tomcat they’d just turned tail and run.

DSchoen on May 20, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Is this a provocative move on the part of the Chinese? No doubt.

As compared to what?

Feb 11, 2011
Pakistan’s Prime Minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani extended the government’s complete support of the JF-17 Thunder aircraft program. PM said this project has proven to be a great positive in the Pak-China relationship.
“This is the project that can become a true flagship of the historic cooperation and strengthen the relationship between our two countries”. These were the words of Gilani as he addressed a gathering of Chinese and Pakistani technicians during his visitation to the JF-17 manufacturing facility at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

The JF-17 project is one of the most ambitious Pakistani programs and it has successfully complete many milestones. Thanks to this program, Pakistan can now proudly stand amongst the group of countries which manufacture modern combat aircraft.

The JF-17 is one of the most cost-effective, multi-role combat aircraft and it is specifically designed to meet the needs of the Pakistan Air Force.
The first batch is expected to be of 50 JF-17 Thunder aircraft which are to be equipped with the Chinese radar and SD-10 Beyond Visual Range Missile. Later batches are expected to be equipped with a more advanced radar.

Note: this article was written Feb 11, 2011.
There is nothing new in today’s article other than trying to link the Feb 11, 2011 deal to the May 1, 2011 OBL raid.

It’s worth noting that only this month there were confirmed reports that China’s first modern aircraft carrier could be heading out on its maiden voyage as early as this year.

It’s also worth noting that aircraft carrier operations have a steep and deadly learning curve.

DSchoen on May 20, 2011 at 9:28 PM

It’s worth noting that only this month there were confirmed reports that China’s first modern aircraft carrier could be heading out on its maiden voyage as early as this year.

So the Chinese will have one outdated carrier that can carry barely half the planes one of at least 10 of our carriers can.

*yawns*

Yakko77 on May 21, 2011 at 12:32 AM

It’s named the Phoenix, but nothing rises from the ashes it leaves behind.

Freelancer on May 20, 2011 at 3:12 PM

That missile along with the F-14 Tomcat are retired. Pity.

Yakko77 on May 21, 2011 at 12:38 AM