New 2012 buzz: Rick Perry thinking of jumping in?

posted at 6:44 pm on May 17, 2011 by Allahpundit

After months of gassy media speculation about Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Chris Christie, we’re all near the point of dismissing deus-ex-machina rumors about candidates out of hand.

But this one … doesn’t seem so far-fetched.

A Texas pol who is close to Perry has been telling a few key strategists that the nation’s longest-serving governor sees a vacuum and is waiting to be summoned into the race. This source believes that could happen by late summer. Without fellow Southerners Haley Barbour or Mike Huckabee in the race — and with Newt Gingrich’s early troubles raising further doubts about the current lineup — there could be a glaring niche for Perry to fill.

According to another well-connected Republican, at least one Perry confidant has been very quietly making inquiries about the political terrain in the nation’s first voting state of Iowa. A third Perry associate, RCP has learned, has been heralding a small contingent of Iowans with the time-tested line that is often used by would-be candidates who are leaving their options open: “Keep your powder dry.”

Perry’s aides have long made it clear that the tough-talking Texan, who succeeded George W. Bush in Austin in 2000, would not seriously entertain the idea of mounting a White House run before the state’s legislative session finishes at the end of this month. That date is now less than two weeks away, and the 2012 presidential field remains fluid…

Perry’s presidential prospects may ultimately be contingent on the decision made by the only GOP White House hopeful who can boast a resume and home state that is large enough to mess with Texas: former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Perry shares Palin’s dexterity with the simple, tough-talking language that tends to fire up the tea party faithful and is similarly adept at connecting on a human level that comes across as decidedly anti-politician, despite his more than a decade in the governor’s mansion.

His aides strenuously deny it, of course. Still, why not Perry? He has more than a decade of experience leading one of America’s biggest states, can boast economic growth at a moment when voters are desperate for relief from the malaise, would enjoy key regional support as a southerner, has budget-cutting cred to spare that’ll please tea partiers, and flashes enough personality to make him easily stand out at debates against other top-tier candidates like Romney, Pawlenty, and Daniels. If Michele Bachmann is confident enough of her chances in Iowa to run (“This is now beyond speculation. They are doing this.”), Perry might as well give it a go too. His concern, I guess, is that if Palin follows him into the race, she and Bachmann will siphon off enough votes on the right to make a lesser-known name like his unlikely to win any primaries. But to some extent that’s a self-fulfilling prophesy: The surest way for him and other grassroots favorites to discourage Palin from running is to jump in ASAP and start claiming votes (and political operatives in primary states) whom she’d need to boost her chances against the Romney/Pawlenty/Daniels centrists. That’s always been Bachmann’s strategy, I take it, that the surest way to avoid being stomped by Palin among tea partiers is to claim enough of her niche early that she decides to pass on the race. Perry would be even more formidable. But the longer he waits, the riskier it is.

Ed e-mails to say that he’s been expecting Perry to make a national move for a long time now and points to his unusual penchant, as a governor, for engaging on national issues. His candidacy does make a lot of sense. Tick tock.


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IF Perry gets in the race, will W. support him or go with Bush 1 and Rove in backing Daniels or Romney?

Gohawgs on May 18, 2011 at 3:26 AM

Ok, some insider stuff here that I will post before I go read the previous 298 posts:

When I lived in Austin, I had a very close personal friend who is friends with both Laura and George as well as Rick Perry and his wife. In fact, my friend was invited to social events at the white house every year and she was also invited to the private dinner before the inauguration for Rick Perry, that kind of close.

My friend is a good conservative. I learned things about these 2 TX governors, as people, that I would not have known as a regular citizen in the state. I never got to meet either governor (president), since I wasn’t there long enough for the right occasion to come up.

I did live in Tx long enough to watch Perry handle fleabaggers when the dems through a temper tantrum when perry redistricted the state after the 2000 census. Perry did not back down. He got the job done.

If I recall correctly, Texas does a 2 year budget and then goes home. I believe they only have 3 months to do it, too, but maybe not, if they have until the end of May, so maybe it is 5 months.

Then if something comes up that needs attention, the Governor can call a special session and bring the legislators back for 30 days.

Back in 2004 or 2005 (when was Katrina?), Texas had its fair share of hurricanes that come in and did a lot of damage. In addition, Texas stepped up and absorbed hundreds of thousands of katrina refugees into the major cities. We took in 25,000 in Austin, alone. Perry had his state FEMA team on the ground and they got the job done. He showed a lot of leadership.

Perry is the ONLY person besides Sarah Palin that I would be very happy to have as our candidate to take on Obama. I also think Perry could be an attack dog with Obama, since Obama has continuously dissed Texas every which way he can (the latest being refusing to help Texas with the wildfires, yet sending tanker planes to Mexico to help them there). And Perry is very well aware of the border problem and how that bleeds over and becomes a huge risk to the US taxpayers as well as a huge drain on government revenue to handle all of the illegal social problems that come with the people who cross the border illegally.

So if Perry gets in, we have a solid back up candidate if Palin either doesn’t run, or doesn’t win the primary. Perry’s record is so my stronger than the other candidates that are flaming out in spectacular glory this week.

here is a recap:

Huck, out
Trump, out
Romney, stupidly doubled down on Romneycare, making him too toxic to be on the ticket while we make obamacare an election issue
Ron Paul, would not have killed bin laden
Daniels, still hasn’t gotten permission from “mommy” if he can run
Huntsman, global warming, REALLY???!!!! a$$hat
Newt, digging his hole deeper and deeper as he tries to spin his way out of being really stupid on Meet the Press (and yet they call Palin stupid, puhleeeze)

That leaves:
Bachman, the Palin minime
Cain, held his own well in the first debate, but can he put the ground game and money game in place to beat Obama? dunno
Pawlenty, came in THIRD in the debate, still has cap and tax he back pedaled from, has a sharia compliant banking law he signed, deep suspicions about RINOism, jury still out. Can he inspire the voters to come out and vote for him? dunno

Undeclared:
Palin,
Perry????

At this rate, the 7 who are self destructing won’t still be in the race by the time July comes around. That would leave the weak B team on the bench and 2 who haven’t declared yet.

karenhasfreedom on May 18, 2011 at 4:25 AM

Every thread should be a Palin thread, its just the right thing to do

georgealbert on May 18, 2011 at 6:19 AM

Rick Perry? Yep. I could do that…

Mr. Grump on May 18, 2011 at 6:22 AM

Darn! I hope Rick stays in Texas. Someone has to keep up the ‘secesh’ talk. It’s more saleable now than in 1861.

JimP on May 18, 2011 at 6:30 AM

check the words maybe the filter is picking up something. Had it happen when I linked an article wit se*eed in it

unseen on May 17, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Nope…dunno why my comment took a couple of HOURS to show up. No links, this is my second.

ProudPalinFan on May 18, 2011 at 7:15 AM

As I expected…heh nobody read what I wrote. I am waiving the “let’s get along” flag and I read a catfight (thanks for the stats and numbers, unseen! :D

ProudPalinFan on May 18, 2011 at 7:19 AM

Did Valerie Jarrett write this shill piece?
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/obama-rerun/161773-obama-sent-a-message-to-trump

The snark at Republicans drips with condescension. ObaMao is not interested in “childish games”? Spare me.

onlineanalyst on May 18, 2011 at 7:21 AM

I just wish Governor Goodhair would actually govern the same way he campaigns. His campaigns are very conservative, his governance…not so much. His stance on the border is one example. He dressed up like the Marlboro Man years ago and made some commercials about protecting the border. After he was elected, he essentially ran from the issue. He’s gotten better lately on the border, but I really wish he was actually conservative.

golfer1 on May 18, 2011 at 7:57 AM

My take.

kingsjester on May 18, 2011 at 8:00 AM

karenhasfreedom on May 18, 2011 at 4:25 AM

Thanks for your insight. I like either Perry or Palin, too.
In fact, I would like them to be a formidable team in election 2012,

onlineanalyst on May 18, 2011 at 8:06 AM

I don’t care if she cut them because the man in the moon told her too. She cut them. period. I know your hate can’t make you see that hard cold fact but it’s there regardless of if you want to see it or not.

unseen on May 18, 2011 at 1:53 AM

Why were they so high before she ran for Vice-President and her hypocrisy was exposed? She doesn’t have to have any earmarks, yet there were hundreds of millions.

Dreadnought on May 18, 2011 at 8:37 AM

you know your link has no link to any facts or figures right? it is basically a MSM story saying take our word for it. And tha tis the reason you can’t answer the posters questions on wher ethe 31% increase come from.

tip for you get better resources that tell you where the numbers are coming from….

http://conservatives4palin.com/2009/02/governor-palin-reduces-fy2010-spending-plan.html

Huh? Try to follow along. I provided a link to an objective website that provides state government budget information.

Here it is again:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/new_york_state_spending_pie_chart#usgs302

You can put in any state and any FY in using the dropdowns.

Do the math for yourself, if you don’t believe the USA Today story, or the figures I provided.

And yes, Conservatives4Palin is such an objective website.

Dreadnought on May 18, 2011 at 12:59 AM

Dreadnought on May 18, 2011 at 8:44 AM

Why were they so high before she ran for Vice-President and her hypocrisy was exposed? She doesn’t have to have any earmarks, yet there were hundreds of millions.

Dreadnought on May 18, 2011 at 8:37 AM

Strain at a gnat, swallow a camel.

fossten on May 18, 2011 at 8:48 AM

And yes, Conservatives4Palin is such an objective website.

Dreadnought on May 18, 2011 at 12:59 AM

Dreadnought on May 18, 2011 at 8:44 AM

It’s about as objective as USA Today.

pseudoforce on May 18, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Why were they so high before she ran for Vice-President and her hypocrisy was exposed? She doesn’t have to have any earmarks, yet there were hundreds of millions.

Dreadnought on May 18, 2011 at 8:37 AM

Regardless, they consistently decreased, not increased. Try some other tack, that one isn’t working.

pseudoforce on May 18, 2011 at 9:02 AM

There’s a reason Perry has the nickname “Slick Rick”. The guy is an expert at crony capitalism. Check out the Trans Texas Corridor, the Gardasil dust-up, and now the Trans Texas Water Highway.

He campaigns as a conservative, but once he’s in office he doesn’t act like one. Governor Goodhair will never get my vote. And I’m speaking as a Texan.

Dominion on May 18, 2011 at 9:10 AM

Did Valerie Jarrett write this shill piece?
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/obama-rerun/161773-obama-sent-a-message-to-trump

The snark at Republicans drips with condescension. ObaMao is not interested in “childish games”? Spare me.

onlineanalyst on May 18, 2011 at 7:21 AM

Thanks for posting that link. Rotten Jarrett speaks through it, you’re right (whoever wrote it, it’s ‘Jarrett affected’).

Lourdes on May 18, 2011 at 9:32 AM

My take.

kingsjester on May 18, 2011 at 8:00 AM

It’s a good post, and helpful, informative! Thanks for sharing that (link). I particularly like that part of your article, as to the circumstances of Perry signing that late-term-abortion-no-way legislation.

I could vote and would vote quite easily for a Perry Presidency. GOP needs to take note of this, to state the obvious.

Lourdes on May 18, 2011 at 9:35 AM

So guys the million dollar question. If both Perry and Palin run in the primary, who would you vote for? Im with Perry, but im a texan so im biased.

snoopicus on May 18, 2011 at 9:40 AM

There’s a reason Perry has the nickname “Slick Rick”. The guy is an expert at crony capitalism. Check out the Trans Texas Corridor, the Gardasil dust-up, and now the Trans Texas Water Highway.

He campaigns as a conservative, but once he’s in office he doesn’t act like one. Governor Goodhair will never get my vote. And I’m speaking as a Texan.

Dominion on May 18, 2011 at 9:10 AM

The TTC was a visionary project that would have propelled the Texas economy for decades. We should have done it.

snoopicus on May 18, 2011 at 9:43 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Texas_Corridor

for anyone interested

snoopicus on May 18, 2011 at 9:44 AM

I like Perry, but he’s got his share of black marks on his record. He’s flaky on illegal immigration, he raised taxes on businesses(despite his claims to the contrary), and there’s the Trans-Texas Corridor. Plus smaller issues but ones that are bound to come up are his comments about seceding from the union as well as the fact that he’s the governor of Texas. The Dems will use that to tie him to Bush, fairly or unfairly.

Doughboy on May 17, 2011 at 6:54 PM

That part about Texas seceding from the Union was Perry being informative to an ill-informed or worse, badly misinformed, unknowledgable public (which describes many who are in D.C., unfortunately). Texas is sovereign, unlike other states of the U.S.A., and Perry made that clear to the Obama crowd on the federal level who continues to target their political ‘enemies’.

Unlike other states, Texas consented to the U.S. but has it’s own (state) Constitution that recognizes it as consent from an independent…there’s much more if anyone cares to look into it…

Unfortunately, I doubt that Texas, if it ever did return to it’s own nation status, not as a state of the U.S.A., that there’d be too much safety in their current location without more help from the rest of us. I am sure Perry’s considered that. What he was doing was trying to give the O-Crowd a reprimand on their limited reach if push came to shove, and their underpaid lack of service to the current state called TX.

Lourdes on May 18, 2011 at 9:49 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Texas_Corridor

for anyone interested

snoopicus on May 18, 2011 at 9:44 AM

This bothers me.

Lourdes on May 18, 2011 at 9:51 AM

His aides strenuously deny it, of course. Still, why not Perry? He has more than a decade of experience leading one of America’s biggest states, can boast economic growth at a moment when voters are desperate for relief from the malaise, would enjoy key regional support as a southerner, has budget-cutting cred to spare that’ll please tea partiers, and flashes enough personality to make him easily stand out at debates against other top-tier candidates like Romney, Pawlenty, and Daniels.

Gov. Rick Perry could become the more-electable-than-Palin candidate for Palin fans. Sarah Palin made a big splash when she was first chosen as John McCain’s running mate, and she was very knowledgeable on energy issues, but did not handle the MSM/LSM very well, and some voters will see her as a “quitter” when she resigned the Governorship of Alaska without a really good reason.

As AP pointed out, Rick Perry is NOT a quitter, and has been elected and re-elected Governor of the second most populous state in the nation for over a decade, after succeeding George W. Bush when he was elected President. Since Texas is heavily invested in the oil and gas industry, Perry has the same credibility on energy issues that Palin (or Jindal) does, has managed to grow the economy of his state throughout the recession, and has much more experience than Palin. If Perry wins the nomination, Obama can forget about Texas (or any other Southern state) being in play, and the battleground would shift to states like Colorado, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

Since Sarah Palin already endorsed Perry in his primary against Kay Bailey Hutchison, if Perry jumped into the race NOW, Palin might find herself competing for the same primary votes as Perry, and might decide not to run herself and campaign for Perry.

While some of Perry’s supporters might also vote for Michelle Bachmann, if Perry was in the race, Bachmann should stay in the House–it is MUCH more likely for the Governor of the second-largest state (with about 12% of the nation’s population) to become President than a three-term member of the House.

There may be some slight handicap for Perry as having inherited the Governorship from George W. Bush, but Perry has had the time to become “his own man” in Texas. With Huckabee out, and Palin not yet in, this could be Perry’s golden opportunity.

Steve Z on May 18, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Texas does a two-year budget so next year the legislature does not meet unless the Governor calls them into session to take care of an issue. Rick Perry has next year to campaign without having the legislature in session. It would work out perfect.

For those of you who have not figured it out, Palin is not getting in the race. Looking more and more according to reports this morning that she is going to host her own show much like Oprah which makes sense. That is where her forte is not in day to day governing. No one runs with the high negatives of Palin no matter the reason.

As for Bachmann, she has no experience and if you look deep enough she is for earmarks, farm subsidies, and pork for her state same as she was in the State Senate. How she became the defacto head of the Tea Party with such a slim resume is anyone’s guess. People from the House do not get elected in today’s times. She is not even an very experienced Congresswoman.

Rick Perry is the logical choice to go against Obama because he is not afraid to go toe to toe with Obama. He is also our best shot to get State’s Rights returned to the States instead of all the Federal mandates. If I was Obama, Rick Perry would be the last person I would want to see running.

Obama not approving the emergency declaration for the fire area of Texas might have put him over the top but I think he has been over for some time. Session ends the end of May and he is scheduled to speak at the SRLC in New Orleans in June. If anyone heard his speech last year, it sounded like he was running. Now that he was reelected and session is about to end, wouldn’t shock me at all if he decided to get in the race.

Be nice to support someone I really liked!

PhiKapMom on May 18, 2011 at 10:25 AM

As AP pointed out, Rick Perry is NOT a quitter,

Steve Z on May 18, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Awwwww, that again. He’s also apparently NOT interesting enough so far to attract much harassment, eh?

pseudoforce on May 18, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Texas is sovereign…

Lourdes on May 18, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Only it’s no more “sovereign” than any other state in the Union.

pseudoforce on May 18, 2011 at 10:34 AM

There are a few commenters that say TX is Southern. I’ve always considered TX different than the South, which ends with AR/LA. TX is more of its own animal or a semi-Prairie state?

IR-MN on May 18, 2011 at 10:49 AM

2 things:
Rick Perry – Yuck

Texas is sovereign…

Lourdes on May 18, 2011 at 9:49 AM
Only it’s no more “sovereign” than any other state in the Union.

pseudoforce on May 18, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Texas is the only state that is allowed to fly its flag at the same level as the US Flag due to its being an independent country when it joined the Union.

txmomof6 on May 18, 2011 at 10:53 AM

There is no way America will vote for another Texan to be POTUS any time soon.

Doesn’t matter who it is.

Moesart on May 18, 2011 at 10:54 AM

I don’t know that Perry is a “true believer” conservative. He is a politician who is in a conservative state. He probably would do a lot of testing the winds, or maybe he has learned by now that conservatism wins. Either way, he would be an improvement over Obama, but not my first choice.

I am from Texas by the way.

jeffn21 on May 18, 2011 at 11:02 AM

Moesart on May 18, 2011 at 10:54 AM

That’s silly. The Bush name is done, agreed, but TX is one of the few states to be doing very well right now, even CA politicians are visiting it looking for advice. Perry has led TX during this boom. I don’t think a state like PA/WI is going to hate TX at all, maybe CA, NY, New England but who cares about them. PA will hate the people in the White House who don’t know a thing about economics.

IR-MN on May 18, 2011 at 11:02 AM

If he’s running I want to know where he stands and what he believes.

sharrukin on May 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM

http://ontheissues.org/Rick_Perry.htm

mizflame98 on May 18, 2011 at 11:32 AM

I have lived in Texas for many years and have seen plenty of governors. Perry has his detractors and has done some shaky things, but I think he is a good guy. I worry though, that the Washington democrat machine might chew him up.

He is more of a GHW Bush than an LBJ. He comes across as a regular guy that is not overly slick like Bill Clinton. He is not stupid, and contrary to perception, he is not a “cowboy” prone to dancing off into the sunset on some foolish tangent.

saiga on May 18, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Lourdes on May 18, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Virginia specifically stated its right to secede in its document ratifying the Constitution. NY and Rhode Island did as well. There may be others. Everyone should research their state’s ratification documents.

JimP on May 18, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Texas is the only state that is allowed to fly its flag at the same level as the US Flag due to its being an independent country when it joined the Union.

txmomof6 on May 18, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Urban legend.

rukiddingme on May 18, 2011 at 3:37 PM

If y’all can’t figure out a slickest of the slick professional politician, who remained a Democrat through Reagan and was chairman of Gore’s campaign in ’88, and who only switched parties after it became clear he didn’t have a statewide political future as a Democrat, is not a true conservative hope, than we’re lost.

scotta on May 18, 2011 at 4:06 PM

scotta on May 18, 2011 at 4:06 PM

DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!!

Hence the name “Slick Rick”. This man is not a conservative.

Dominion on May 18, 2011 at 4:57 PM

The TTC was a visionary project that would have propelled the Texas economy for decades. We should have done it.

snoopicus on May 18, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Wrong. The TTC was a land grab that would have benefited Perry’s cronies and displaced thousands of Texas families. Many off of land they have owned for generations. Millions of acres of farm and ranch land. Add that to fact that significant portions of the TTC were to be toll roads, including the conversion of many currently existing roads into toll roads.

“Boondoggle” doesn’t even begin to describe the TTC.

Dominion on May 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM

I think that Rick Perry will run for President. But not in 2012. I think he’ll wait for 2016.

SoulGlo on May 18, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Texas is the only state that is allowed to fly its flag at the same level as the US Flag due to its being an independent country when it joined the Union.

txmomof6 on May 18, 2011 at 10:53 AM

I had been wonderin’ why many state flags were at the same height as the Us flag.
Now I know.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM

alt, it’s not unique to Texas. Every state may do so.

That said, Texas probably does it more often than any other state.

rukiddingme on May 18, 2011 at 9:57 PM

Here’s the Republican Presidential Field Breakdown (as I see it):

1. The “Already IN and Looking Good” Category: Herman Cain. – Based on first debate which he won hands down, plus in case its not obvious enough, he’s a successful black role model.

2. The “What are You Waiting For?” Category: Rick Perry, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Paul Ryan – Perry looks the part and he’s a two term Texas governor, sound familiar? Palin scares the Hell out of the Left and she would be a formidable candidate. Bachmann, like Palin, has the chops to go up against the left and may have even more experience. And lastly, Paul Ryan is already the de facto head of the Republican Party right now – whether he likes it or not. (For proof, look at the blowback Gingrich got for daring to criticize Ryan’s plan.)

3. The “Won’t Run, But Should” Category: George Allen, Allen West, Marco Rubio, General David Petraeus – These guys would all do very well, but the longer they wait, the less chance they would have in the primaries.

4. The “Too Much Baggage” Category: Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney – Gingrich is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is, and all he had to offer was his supposedly superior intellect. As for Romney, the Romney Care thing is not something he can overcome which is too bad because I think he would have made a fine president.

6. The “Snowball’s Chance in Hell” Category: Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, Tim Pawlenty, Gary Johnson – They aren’t tea party, they’re either crazy, delusional, or just plain dullsville.

7. The “Just Stay the Hell OUT” Category: Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, Michael Bloomberg, Jon Huntsman, Jeb Bush – These “monuments to moderation” would draw important votes and air time away from the real conservative players in category one and two. We already tried the moderate guy in ’08, didn’t work out so well.

8. The “Crazy Like a Fox” Category: Ted Nugent, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter – Can’t you just picture Ted Nugent skeet shooting that expensive fine china from the north portico of the White House?

Its a lot of names when you put them all down like this. And when you pair any combination of names in categories one and two, you end up with a really interesting, diverse, dynamic ticket.

leapsandbounds on May 18, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Run Rick Run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A solid conservative!

Mark7788 on May 18, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Not a big “Zoolander Perry” fan, but if he’s the nom, I’ll back him. “Ham sammich” would be infinitely better than Barry Obammi.

Hell, I’d vote for “generic republican” first over Zero.

Sarah’s running though…

44Magnum on May 19, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Wrong. The TTC was a land grab that would have benefited Perry’s cronies and displaced thousands of Texas families. Many off of land they have owned for generations. Millions of acres of farm and ranch land. Add that to fact that significant portions of the TTC were to be toll roads, including the conversion of many currently existing roads into toll roads.

“Boondoggle” doesn’t even begin to describe the TTC.

Dominion on May 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM

So what if they were going to be toll roads. WTF does that matter? I mean every road has to be built on land right? And in texas basically all land is owned, so you gotta buy it from someone right? It was also transmission lines throughout the state to increase power capacity so we dont end up like california. It was also going to broadband up basically the whole state, etc etc. Look in the modern world if you want an economy to grow you have to build roads. Thats where businesses grow, not in the middle of some damn unused land that someone claims a bogus ag exemption on.

snoopicus on May 19, 2011 at 5:10 PM

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