NATO, Pakistan exchange fire on Af-Pak border

posted at 10:12 am on May 17, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Senator John Kerry flew to Pakistan this weekend to smooth over the rupture in relations between the US and Pakistan following the raid that killed Osama bin Laden within walking distance of Pakistan’s military academy.  What kind of progress did Kerry make?  The New York Times reports that Pakistani forces fired on NATO helicopters over Pakistani territory, sparking a skirmish that left two Pakistanis wounded:

Pakistani ground troops opened fire on twoNATO helicopters that crossed into Pakistan’s airspace from Afghanistan early Tuesday morning, the Pakistani Army said in a statement. A firefight then briefly erupted between NATO forces and the troops, the statement said, and two Pakistani soldiers were wounded.

The clash took place at Admi Kot Post in the North Waziristan tribal region of Pakistan, an area that American officials have long regarded as a haven used by militants to attack coalition forces inside Afghanistan. NATO officials said they were looking into the incident, and could not immediately confirm whether the helicopters had indeed entered Pakistan’s airspace.

The exchange of fire between NATO and Pakistani forces appeared likely to worsen frictions between Pakistan and the United States. The Pakistani Army “lodged a strong protest and demanded a flag meeting,” the statement said, referring to a meeting between officials from Pakistan and NATO.

This isn’t the first time that the two sides have exchanged fire.  Eight months ago, a similar incident left two Pakistani soldiers dead.  NATO has operated in Waziristan with tacit unofficial permission while Pakistan’s government protests the incursions, but it’s still a violation of Pakistani airspace, and reactions like these will occur whether Islamabad turns a blind eye or not.

Still, coming so soon after the OBL raid, it does appear that the Gilani government — or at least the Army — wants to send a message to NATO about further cooperation in the war in Afghanistan.  Gilani himself flew to China to improve ties, which the Times reports is an unsubtle signal to the US that Pakistan has other options than the US.

All of this makes Kerry’s mission very, very difficult from the start.  According to McClatchy, it doesn’t appear to be going well:

The United States and Pakistan sought Monday to avert a rupture in relations over the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden, but it was unclear how much progress they made beyond a vague accord to “work together” on future operations against “high value” militants hiding in Pakistan.

Pakistani civilian and military leaders also agreed in talks with Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry, D-Mass., to return the wreckage of a top-secret, radar-evading U.S. helicopter that was damaged and intentionally destroyed during the May 2 assault by U.S. Navy SEALs on bin Laden’s hideout.

It was clear, however, that Kerry and his interlocutors made little headway on the core disputes that had plunged relations between the putative allies to their most acrimonious level in 10 years even before the raid that embarrassed and enraged Pakistan’s powerful military, which was only informed after it was over.

Kerry did his best to argue that the US didn’t withhold notification out of a lack of trust, but the “best” is still threadbare:

Kerry defended the administration’s decision not to inform Pakistan in advance of the raid, saying that few U.S. officials were taken into confidence, either.

“It was not a matter of trust, but imperative of operational security,” he said.

Well, yes, but the reason it was imperative of national security is because … we can’t trust the Pakistanis.  The point about US officials is true but irrelevant; we didn’t invade the US to conduct the mission.  We tried trusting the Pakistanis on an OBL mission during the Clinton presidency, and the Pakistanis tipped off OBL before we could get him.  Kerry’s doing his best to obliterate the obvious conclusion through diplo-speak, which is exactly what he’s supposed to do in this circumstance, but we shouldn’t be surprised to find that no one’s buying it, least of all the Pakistanis.

The eruption of a skirmish on the border will only complicate the issue for Kerry and the Obama administration.  The OBL mission was worth the price we’re paying with Pakistan now, but perhaps other border missions should be rethought for a while until we get the Pakistanis calmed down.  Unless we have hot data on a high-value target that we simply can’t pass up, the cost of further provocation may well be the war itself.


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And Bishop. .

HornetSting on May 9, 2013 at 1:21 PM

I would expect no less from Chicago on the Potomac.

Careful not to be permanently silenced.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Nixonian with a streak of LBJ.

This guy is a nightmare for our country.

portlandon on May 9, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Thugs

cmsinaz on May 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Again, sensing a pattern here, but I’m just not quite there yet, so close, so close …

Maybe if there was some investigative main stream media that has daily evening broadcasts nationally that did a little digging with all their highly prized, intelligent, diligent personalities …

Ok, that was an overreach. Back to working on that pattern.

parke on May 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM

The curious firing of Gerald Walpin gets … curiouser
posted at 3:15 pm on June 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The administration has overtly interfered with the IG in his investigation, and now has tried to fire him, apparently for reporting to Congress. If so, then the White House has abused its power on behalf of a campaign contributor and political ally — an act that would make Richard Nixon blush. I doubt this Congress will hold Obama accountable for it, but kudos to Senator Grassley for not letting it go.

ted c on May 9, 2013 at 1:27 PM

This guy is a nightmare for our country.

For some, he’s a dream come true.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM

If Bush or any Republican was in the White House, the media would hail this guy a hero, but since Obama is President, he’s a traitor.

bw222 on May 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Ruh roh… another crack in the dam?

petefrt on May 9, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Defense IG: Obama administration “bureaucrats” trying to silence me about corruption in Afghanistan

Sorry, but here’s the REAL NEWS….

http://www.i4u.com/2013/05/54043/megan-fox-trampoline-heating-net

PappyD61 on May 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I’d describe this White House as positively Nixonian, but that would be unfair. To Nixon.

Yeah the current administration is closer to the corrupt Ulysses S. Grant administration anyway.

Happy Nomad on May 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM

The curious firing of Gerald Walpin gets … curiouser
posted at 3:15 pm on June 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

ted c on May 9, 2013 at 1:27 PM

That’s what came first to my mind too. This malfeasance has a long history.

petefrt on May 9, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Ruh roh… another crack in the dam?

petefrt on May 9, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Yeah, the media is running out of fingers and toes in the dam. The flood is coming soon. Zero’s grip is crumbling…

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 1:32 PM

I’d describe this White House as positively Nixonian, but that would be unfair. To Nixon.

Nixon lied about, or covered up, or something, a third rate Watergate burglary. Iran-Contra was about financial shenanigans, moving Iran money to Contra funding. But this coverup … this is about basic representations about very important foreign policy issues. Why wasn’t there enough security at Benghazi. If a video caused the attack and deaths, then, the video is to blame, and we couldn’t have anticipated that. If the primary Libyan Islamic terror group caused the attack and deaths, then Hillary is to blame, for not identifying the threat and providing the proper level of security for our diplomats. Which certainly looks like the case.

Hillary let it slide.
Four brave diplomats died.

Paul-Cincy on May 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM

If Bush or any Republican was in the White House, the media would hail this guy a hero, but since Obama is President, he’s a traitor.

bw222 on May 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Yeah, GWB couldn’t even legally fire 18 incompetent US Attorneys without it being labeled a scandal. The rat-eared coward could kill a puppy during the SOTU speech and the media would take the position that the puppy had it coming.

Happy Nomad on May 9, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Chicago thug-in-chief acting like a thug again? Who would have guessed?

The Rogue Tomato on May 9, 2013 at 1:35 PM

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 1:32 PM

I haven’t been reading the foreign press much lately, but other commenters here point out that Benghazi is getting decent coverage from them now. That’s an encouraging sign that pressure may eventually force LSM to end its blackout.

petefrt on May 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Yeah, the media is running out of fingers and toes in the dam. The flood is coming soon. Zero’s grip is crumbling…

dogsoldier on May 9, 2013 at 1:32 PM

If the dam bursts, and you are under water, but the MSM doesn’t report it, does anyone really know if they are?

I wish I had your outlook on this, but I think they will just go “what story?” to the bulk of these scandals/cover-ups and hope it all goes away.

Meanwhile, the low info. voter will be more interested in whos winning dancing with the stars… -_-

Gatsu on May 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM

and undermining ‘our country’s mission in Afghanistan,’” he said.

Errr….what exactly is our country’s mission in Afghanistan right now ?

burrata on May 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM

You’ll thank me…..

Wait till the very end.

http://www.i4u.com/2013/05/54012/leonard-nimoy-and-zachary-quinto-face-audi-ad#full_story

cleanse the palate.

PappyD61 on May 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Obama must feel like he’s all-powerful. He sees that he can get away with virtually anything.

The Rogue Tomato on May 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM

If Bush or any Republican was in the White House, the media would hail this guy a hero, but since Obama is President, he’s a traitor.

If it WERE Bush conducting an administration in the fashion of Barry….the Left’s impeachment proceedings would long be over, Bush would have been driven from office, along with Cheney and most of the cabinet, all frog marched in orange jump suits, to a special high security facility and sharing cells.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 1:38 PM

The flood is coming soon. Zero’s grip is crumbling…

We can hope and pray. No one is more deserving of the fall.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Obama could kidnap 3 girls and hold them as sex slaves for a decade and the left wouldn’t care.

jawkneemusic on May 9, 2013 at 1:41 PM

I’d describe this White House as positively Nixonian, but that would be unfair. To Nixon.

Nixon covered up a third rate burglary. Dear Liar covered up an ambassador’s murder, corruption both domestic (green energy) and abroad (Afghanistan) and who knows what else.

Second look at Warren G. Harding?

rbj on May 9, 2013 at 1:41 PM

It’s amazing how much damage the media is allowing to occur in order to protect Obama(and by extension the Democrat Party). Dead Americans in Libya, a stagnant economy mired in the worst recovery in 70 years, infanticide at abortion clinics, a health care system on the verge of implosion, the Middle East in chaos, the southern border wide open, and ironically even their own industry suffering massive losses in jobs and revenue.

And to think, we’re just past the halfway point of this guy’s time in office. Imagine how much more we’ll have to suffer in order for him to maintain his precious 45-50% approval rating from the ignorant masses. And then we’ll have to fight tooth and nail to avoid another 8 years of this under Hillary(that’s assuming of course that America survives that long).

Doughboy on May 9, 2013 at 1:42 PM

The biggest thug in the WH is Valerie Jarrett.

I hope she comes to a bad end.

I have been criticized by some bureaucrats for not pre-clearing my press releases with them,

BTW: Is pre-clearing something that’s done before you actually clear it with these people? Gotta love bureaucratese.

BuckeyeSam on May 9, 2013 at 1:42 PM

BTW, did they find some money to allow kids to visit their WH ?

burrata on May 9, 2013 at 1:43 PM

“Who cares? Obama is awesome” – Liberal Media

sentinelrules on May 9, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Nobody died when Nixon lied!

Republican Yogi on May 9, 2013 at 1:45 PM

SOP….for a Dictatorship.

ToddPA on May 9, 2013 at 1:45 PM

BTW, did they find some money to allow kids to visit their WH ?

burrata on May 9, 2013 at 1:43 PM

No. But the Obamas have allowed the common people access to the garden area since the weather got nice. Next up on the sequestration schedule to make life as inconvenient as possible for as many people as possible is shutting down the National Zoo a couple of days a week just as tourist season gets ramped up.

Happy Nomad on May 9, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Who cares? Obama is awesome” – Liberal Media

Yes he is, as a few here would wholeheartedly agree.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Sounds like we have a bunch of “muzzle ‘ems” in this administration.

BarefootinTN on May 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Sounds like we have a bunch of “muzzle ‘ems” in this administration.

BarefootinTN on May 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Ow, that was one of the WORST puns ever. And I wish I had thought of it first.

The Rogue Tomato on May 9, 2013 at 1:54 PM

No. But the Obamas have allowed the common people access to the garden area since the weather got nice. Next up on the sequestration schedule to make life as inconvenient as possible for as many people as possible is shutting down the National Zoo a couple of days a week just as tourist season gets ramped up.

Happy Nomad on May 9, 2013 at 1:48 PM

We were guaranteed toxic meat and contaminated arugula because of those evil Republicans , what happened to that ?

burrata on May 9, 2013 at 1:54 PM

I’d describe this White House as positively Nixonian, but that would be unfair. To Nixon.

Good point, and a question. Is there a contemporaneous record of the President’s actions? Are there audio tapes? Is there any way of documenting what this failure as a CIC (and human being) did before blithely going nite-nite while his Ambassador (note: the President appoints the Ambassador, not Hillary Clinton) is under attack and missing?

One thing is certain. If then were now, you would never have heard of Rosemary Woods. There would have been no missing minutes from the Oval Office tapes. There would have been no tape in the first place.

IndieDogg on May 9, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Nobody died when Nixon lied!

Republican Yogi on May 9, 2013 at 1:45 PM

But would Nixon have made it so we have not had a single instance of domestic terroism in the past five years?

We should all be on our knees thanking God for endowing us with such a wonderful super-smart leader.

Happy Nomad on May 9, 2013 at 1:56 PM

We were guaranteed toxic meat and contaminated arugula because of those evil Republicans , what happened to that ?

burrata on May 9, 2013 at 1:54 PM

The rat-eared coward has to save a few tricks for next year when the budgeted rate of spending is less than what he demands.

Happy Nomad on May 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Al Capone went to prison on tax evasion. Tip of the iceberg with this corrupt Chicagoland administration.

John the Libertarian on May 9, 2013 at 2:01 PM

The things I would like to do about this administration would get me banned so I’ll just keep mum. Feel free to read between the lines.

neyney on May 9, 2013 at 2:07 PM

One thing Nixon was, he was patriotic. He told JFK he wouldn’t put the country through a crisis by challenging the election results and there was plenty to challenge in Chicago and Texas. And when REPUBLICAN leaders told him to release the recordings for the good of the county, he did and it led to his resignation. Goldwater and the other two Republicans that pushed Nixon TO DO WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR THE COUNTY are in marked contrast to what we saw with the Democrats with Clinton and now Obama. For the Democrats it is what is best for me, the party and then maybe the country. Disgusting.

amr on May 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Three years, nine months and counting…

in_awe on May 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Well ya start revealing “corruption” in Afghanistan, next thing ya know, some “reporter” will follow the money all the way back to Washington……don’t want that happening. Next thing ya know, the “reporter” will find that there’s plenty of “corruption” right here at home, thanks to ‘the most corrupt administration, evah!’

GarandFan on May 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Now we know why it’s the “Good War.”Lots of money to be made.

docflash on May 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Nixonian with a streak of LBJ.

This guy is a nightmare for our country.

portlandon on May 9, 2013 at 1:24 PM

A herpes really, he wouldn’t go away…

jimver on May 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Didn’t someone once write a book called “Culture of Corruption”?

Seems on point.

MTF on May 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM

The brown boots of stamping out truth are a marching. Stand up fredom fighters to the corruption of Obama Hussein.

karlinsync on May 9, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Anybody heard from Tony Rezko?

Fallon on May 9, 2013 at 3:14 PM

man when I was in (late 80′s) things were different.
the IG was treated with respect and we knew to NEVER lie to them. even if it reflected badly on us our commanders wanted us to tell the truth.
they were not just mouthing it, there were a few things they themselves owned up to.
and you know what?
the IG respected us for being honest and worked with us.

what a difference.

dmacleo on May 9, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Nixon was an amateur ….

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 9, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Nixon was an amateur ….

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 9, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Compared to the Kennedy Crime Family, absolutely.

slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Nixon was an amateur ….

And barely that, comparatively.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Compared to the Kennedy Crime Family, absolutely.

That family was a good role model in developing the DNC – Democratic National Criminals syndicate.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 4:38 PM

““Over the last 10 months, I have been criticized by some bureaucrats for not pre-clearing my press releases with them, for not letting them edit the titles of my audits, for talking too much to Congress, for talking too much to the press … and, basically, for not being a ‘team player’ and undermining ‘our country’s mission in Afghanistan,’” he said.”

Thanks to our press…

… we now live in a ‘Banana Republic’.

Thanks!

Seven Percent Solution on May 9, 2013 at 5:08 PM

So what.

Impotent Republicans can do nothing.

Incompetent conservatives are not heard in America.

We do what we want and you are powerless to stop us.

No Chop Charlie on May 9, 2013 at 6:30 PM

I’d describe this White House as positively Nixonian, but that would be unfair. To Nixon.

BOOM…. well said sir..well said

sadsushi on May 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I just had a HA timewarp refresh on this thread to a two-day old comment thread on Benghazi. Reload again and it’s gone. Strange.

slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Half of the Obama gang is spewing Big Lies- about Benghazi, Fast and Furious, etc., etc.- and the other half is working feverishly to cover them Up.

Government is now a toxin re-labeling itself an elixir.

profitsbeard on May 10, 2013 at 2:58 AM