SEALs would like to go back to work now, thank you

posted at 12:00 pm on May 15, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

They’re the heroes that killed America’s most wanted terrorist in a high-stakes covert mission.  Of course they became America’s heroes.  They appreciate the outpouring of support, love, and recognition, they really do.  But what the Navy SEALs would really like is for people to stop talking about their tactics and leave them alone so they can conduct their business successfully in the future:

U.S. Navy SEALs, like the teams that killed Osama bin Laden, are grateful for nation’s show of support but are growing angry with the continued focus on their operation, tactics, and tools, claiming it could jeopardize future raids and their safety.

“My friends in the community tell me they’re very glad for the bit of attention they got,” said former Pentagon deputy undersecretary Jed Babbin, “but at some point the best way to help them is to stop. You guys in the press have done a good job, but stop for God’s sake, stop.” [See photos of the reaction to bin Laden's death.]

The latest straw came when CBS revealed that the members of Special Warfare Development Group, formerly SEAL Team Six, wore helmet cams into bin Laden’s lair. For many, that was a detail too far and could lead those being targeted by the military to somehow deploy countermeasures.

And Washington Whispers this week reported on two blogs that identified the type of gun the SEALs likely used to kill bin Laden, the HK416 .

Paul Bedard blames Barack Obama for leading the “SEALs parade,” but it wasn’t Obama who let the cat out of the bag.  That responsibility lies with Obama’s VP Joe Biden, who told a Ritz-Carlton audience that he “probably shouldn’t say this” just before he divulged the identity of the group:

But here’s what the legendarily verbose and loose-lipped Vice President Joe Biden said at a dinner at Washington’s Ritz Carlton Hotel last night to mark the 50th anniversary of the Atlantic Council:

Let me briefly acknowledge tonight’s distinguished honorees.  Admiral James Stavridis is a, is the real deal.  He can tell you more about and understands the incredible, the phenomenal, the just almost unbelievable capacity of his Navy SEALs and what they did last Sunday.

And:

Folks, I’d be remiss also if I didn’t say an extra word about the incredible events, extraordinary events of this past Sunday.  As Vice President of the United States, as an American, I was in absolute awe of the capacity and dedication of the entire team, both the intelligence community, the CIA, the SEALs.  It just was extraordinary.

Until then, the official word at the White House was, “Not going to comment on units or numbers.”  After Biden blew operational security and identified the SEALs as the commandos, Obama didn’t have much choice but to extol their heroism.  And it wasn’t Obama or Biden who blabbed about the HK416, helmet cams, or any other mission details, but apparently lower-level staffers who followed Biden’s example of OPSEC.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates noted Thursday that this administration appears to have its problems keeping its mouth shut:

Speaking at a town hall with Marines at Camp Lejeune on Thursday morning, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the Special Forces who participated in the successful mission to kill Osama bin Laden were worried about their safety, and that he was concerned that so many details of the operation had become known to the public.

“Frankly, a week ago Sunday, in the Situation Room, we all agreed that we would not release any operational details from the effort to take out bin Laden,” Gates said. “That all fell apart on Monday — the next day.” …

Gates said that “there is an awareness that the threat of retaliation is increased because…of the action against bin Laden. “ He said there “has been a consistent and effective effort to protect the identities of those who participated in the raid, and I think that has to continue.”

The defense secretary said that “when I met with the team last Thursday, they expressed a concern about that, and particularly with respect to their families…I can’t get into the details in this forum, but we are looking at what measures can be taken to pump up the security.”

Maybe the best thing to do would be to send the VP to an undisclosed location before the next high-stakes covert operation — and then keep him there.  Until 2013.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Someone from the MSM please explain to me again why Joe Biden is qualified to be a heartbeat away from POTUS and Sarah Palin is not.

troyriser_gopftw on May 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM

politicized to death.

A shame that the Military is only seen as a political prop.

RealMc on May 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Remember the pants-wetting fury of the Obama Party, especially Biden and Obama, over the release of the “covert status” of superultradoubleplussecret spy Valerie Plame, who anyone who you asked knew drove right into CIA headquarters every day?

Yeah, thought so. Maybe if the SEALs would make a campaign contribution, Ding Dong Biden and Black Narcissus might be able to keep their mouths shut.

northdallasthirty on May 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM

I am guilty of being curious as to the firearm used and more interested in the type of load they used. I bet it was a special brew not found in retail gun shops but the tactics and techniques used should not have gotten so much attention.

fourdeucer on May 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Joe Bi(n La)den?
OK, Jolted Joe is bad for the US, but not as much as Osama was, & not intentionally.

itsnotaboutme on May 15, 2011 at 12:07 PM

And people said picking Joe was a smart foreign policy move – “he was selected to help govern, not just win; not like that stupid Palin woman” they all said.

2008 was a mass (just enough-52%) psychosis.

JeffWeimer on May 15, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Maybe the best thing to do would be to send the VP to an undisclosed location before the next high-stakes covert operation — and then keep him there. Until 2013.

I hear the CIA has some nice accommodations in several former eastern bloc countries.

Kafir on May 15, 2011 at 12:09 PM

And it wasn’t Obama or Biden who blabbed about the HK416, helmet cams, or any other mission details, but apparently lower-level staffers who followed Biden’s example of OPSEC.

Low-level staffers had access to details like weaponry the SEALs were carrying and what gear they were wearing? That’s troublesome.

Ed, my friend, they were controlled leaks. The purpose is to get information out there through an expendable branch. If the source is tracked, it goes to a low-level staffer rather than all the way to the top.

They were shoving details out there because people’s mouths water for details. And those details keep the story in the face of the people. Which helps Obama’s poll numbers.

amerpundit on May 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM

The defense secretary said that “when I met with the team last Thursday…

If there are people out there actively hunting for these military men, Mr. Gates just identified himself as one who can in fact be a big help. Is Biden his mentor?

Patrick S on May 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Black Narcissus

northdallasthirty on May 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM

I am so stealing that.

Kafir on May 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM

send the VP to an undisclosed location

I suppose that is alluding to Biden blabbing about the formerly undisclosed location under the Naval Observatory.

Christien on May 15, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Gates said that “there is an awareness that the threat of retaliation is increased because…of the action against bin Laden.

Thankfully (for terrorists), the Washington Post already went through the trouble of scouting out and publishing the SEALs local hangouts in Virginia Beach.

Jon Fezzik on May 15, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Remember the pants-wetting fury of the Obama Party, especially Biden and Obama, over the release of the “covert status” of superultradoubleplussecret spy Valerie Plame,
northdallasthirty on May 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Not only that, a movie was made with Sean Penn starring as Joe Wilson, I believe, that portrays her as some kind of Jane Bond heroine.

fourdeucer on May 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM

troyriser_gopftw on May 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Can you imagine if Palin was VP and spilled the beans? The media would probably still be talking about how she endangered our troops and put a target on their backs.

Jon Fezzik on May 15, 2011 at 12:14 PM

fourdeucer on May 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM

The firearm is actually public knowledge. The rest of it really isn’t, even though it’s logical to imagine they would have helmet cams.

It really is amazing what you can determine with a little open-source and skull sweat. Anyone here old enough to remember the furor of “Hunt for Red October”? All unclassified information and supposition; and the Feds sweat Tom Clancy to tell him who told him operational secrets.

We call that kind of thing EEFI – Essential Elements of Friendly Information, and they are a legitimate OPSEC worry.

I was surprised to hear it was the SEALs specifically instead of a generic “special forces”. But now we know why – the selfish pr!ck wanted the attention and couldn’t keep his mouth shut. There’s a reason why he never held a significant Senate leadership role despite being a Senator since I was still in diapers.

JeffWeimer on May 15, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Hmmm. Project Gunrunner killed an ICE agent on the border.

Joe Biden’s big mouth will most likely get our military killed.

Yep, I’d say BHO’s office is running a tight ship.

madmonkphotog on May 15, 2011 at 12:19 PM

and Sarah Palin is not.

troyriser_gopftw on May 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM

(D) v (R) ??

CWforFreedom on May 15, 2011 at 12:20 PM

You mean all twenty-two can’t be in the front row at little Bammie’s next State of the Onion speechreading?

slickwillie2001 on May 15, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Joe Bi(n La)den?
OK, Jolted Joe is bad for the US, but not as much as Osama was, & not intentionally.

[itsnotaboutme on May 15, 2011 at 12:07 PM]

You are right, but it is “intentional” when another keeps him on as VP or at the very least continues to allow him his security clearance.

It isn’t the first time, nor the second or third. Intentionally or not, innocently or not, he’s a danger to the Republic and ought to be treated that way.

Dusty on May 15, 2011 at 12:22 PM

slickwillie: Only if Obama is going to vilify them.

Which, given his track record at reading the will of the American people, I wouldn’t put past him.

Scott H on May 15, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Passive agression at work.
Somewhere, deep down, is the desire to neuter these special forces’ efficiency. All in the convenient name of political advantage, atm.
Of this I’m thoroughly convinced.

pambi on May 15, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Not surprising. It’s the only accomplishment of this administration. Re-election time is coming up, so they’ve got to bang the drum about something.

GarandFan on May 15, 2011 at 12:29 PM

For all the evidence that he isn’t operating with a full deck, I’d still rather have this clown than Obama. At least he isn’t actively malicious (not very often, anyway).

Why, oh why couldn’t he have been the nominee in 2008? Face it, with the mood of the country back then, Mickey Mouse could have beaten McCain. Biden wouldn’t have been much worse.

hachiban on May 15, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Guys – the nonexistent Seal Team 6 is not a new revelation. Neither are helmet cams. Good grief. Read an action novel.

That being said, everyone does need to shut up about the Seals. I am in contact with NSWDG for reasons having nothing to do with the Bin Laden raid, and since OBL their website has crashed numerous times and it is a royal PITA trying to get someone on the phone because they are fielding so many calls from IDIOTS. Just STFU and go back to watching CSI.

Ahh. Catharsis. Better now, thank you.

ace tomato on May 15, 2011 at 12:30 PM

What SEALs?

Christien on May 15, 2011 at 12:31 PM

If Dick Cheney is Darth Vader then Joe Biden is a tribble.

Bruno Strozek on May 15, 2011 at 12:31 PM

JeffWeimer on May 15, 2011 at 12:17 PM

I actually remember the disdain Tom Clancy got from disclosing specifications about submarines that were not public knowledge. The navy put out spec sheets that were understating capabilities until that novel was released.

fourdeucer on May 15, 2011 at 12:33 PM

ace tomato on May 15, 2011 at 12:30 PM

HotAirians are probably NOT the ones crashing the site(s),
but I understand your need to vent :-)

pambi on May 15, 2011 at 12:34 PM

If Dick Cheney is Darth Vader then Joe Biden is a tribble.

LOL I miss Dick Cheney.

ace tomato on May 15, 2011 at 12:35 PM

While I agree that this administration from Obama and Biden on down are loose cannons on deck when it comes to OPSEC, the helmet cams, the firearms, even the stealthy helicopters are widely known among people who follow such things. I seriously doubt the “revelations”, many of them misleading or otherwise inaccurate, aren’t really doing much damage.

novaculus on May 15, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Someone from the MSM please explain to me again why Joe Biden is qualified to be a heartbeat away from POTUS and Sarah Palin is not.

troyriser_gopftw on May 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Jaw-Jackin’ Joe was the missing Foreign Policy piece to Obama’s resume. The MSM saw Biden as a “foreign policy expert” and that was Obama’s “only” weak point.

cartooner on May 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Slo Joe is a lib and has a “D” after his name which makes him smart and qualified even though he always says dumb things and cheated his way through college.

bw222 on May 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM

I seriously doubt the “revelations” [...] aren’t really doing much damage.

Aren’t not doing enough damage to not compel them to not say nothing about not stopping. ;p

Christien on May 15, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Black Narcissus

northdallasthirty on May 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM

ummmm, ummmm, ummmm

GrannyDee on May 15, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Maybe the best thing to do would be to send the VP to an undisclosed location before the next high-stakes covert operation — and then keep him there. Until 2013.

For the safety of the military, definitely. Although in the vice-president’s defense, he probably doens’t know an “operational detail” from an operation on his rectum. So he didn’t know what to keep quiet about. Again.

However, for the benefit of the country, Biden’s mouth is probably a big asset to whoever opposes the president in the next election. For that reason, more Biden, please.

brambo_42 on May 15, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Obama, Biden, the media et al couldn’t care less about the SEALS or their modesty, secrecy or integrity. They NEED these stories to sustain Obama’s triumph and the new Narrative. This won’t stop. It can’t. Just like narratives about racist teabaggers can’t and won’r stop. It’s a NEED.

rrpjr on May 15, 2011 at 12:49 PM

You can’t milk the propaganda cow if you don’t squeeze the teat, that’s why they never shut up

Gwillie on May 15, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Not surprising. It’s the only accomplishment of this administration. Re-election time is coming up, so they’ve got to bang the drum about something.
GarandFan on May 15, 2011 at 12:29 PM

So true. Never in a million years would I have guessed Obama’s biggest success would be a military execution.

Once Obama/Panetta/Jarrett pulled the wontons together to raid a complex we weren’t 100% Obama was inside, all the success was due to our outstanding military.

And then, on cue, the Obama admin made a royal clusterfark of the post operation.

Chuck Schick on May 15, 2011 at 12:52 PM

That ain’t a cow they’re trying to milk, and that ain’t a teat they’re pulling with this bull!

Christien on May 15, 2011 at 12:56 PM

If Dick Cheney is Darth Vader then Joe Biden is a tribble.

Bruno Strozek on May 15, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Keep him away from the quadratriticale. One Joe is enough.

iurockhead on May 15, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Biden is a national disgrace…

OmahaConservative on May 15, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Speaking of equipment, what about that helicopter? Just like the helicopter that went down when Jimmah Carter sent in the troops to try that rescue operation. If they contain military secrets, every one of them when sent in to do an operation like that should be equiped to self-destruct. And I mean really self-destruct. And then again, why are the helicopters having problems? Are they maintained by union workers?

Mirimichi on May 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Is it just me, or is Joe reminiscent of Lloyd Bridges as the president in the “Top Shots” movies? Can’t see him sword-fighting Saddam, though.

iurockhead on May 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Anyone here old enough to remember the furor of “Hunt for Red October”? All unclassified information and supposition; and the Feds sweat Tom Clancy to tell him who told him operational secrets.

Yeah. I also remember the disturbing feeling I was left with after reading Debt of Honor.

That ending came back to me in vivid detail on 9/11.

hillbillyjim on May 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM

And then again, why are the helicopters having problems? Are they maintained by union workers?

Mirimichi on May 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Not a maintenence issue, a rotor clipped the high wall in the compound while coming in.

iurockhead on May 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM

If this had been Dick Cheney blabbing his big fat loud mouth the way Biden did here, does anyone even want to hanker a guess as to what the media reaction would have been?

There would have been a MSM howling all over the place demanding Cheney’s immediate resignation and possible prosecution.

But because we have Biden where he is right now, not to mention the latest word that the majority of the MSM is under the control of their One True Lord and Master, Darth Soros, there is nary a peep on this from even the lunatic asylum at MSNBC.

pilamaye on May 15, 2011 at 1:04 PM

We’ll never hear the end of “SEAL Team Six” since Disney bought all rights.

moonsbreath on May 15, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Not a maintenence issue, a rotor clipped the high wall in the compound while coming in.

iurockhead on May 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Thanks. But, then they should still have self-destruct capability if something does go wrong. JMHO.

Mirimichi on May 15, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Someone from the MSM please explain to me again why Joe Biden is qualified to be a heartbeat away from POTUS and Sarah Palin is not.

troyriser_gopftw on May 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Because everyone knows that a brain damaged Democrat is better than a smart and experienced Republican.

mizflame98 on May 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Remember the pants-wetting fury of the Obama Party, especially Biden and Obama, over the release of the “covert status” of superultradoubleplussecret spy Valerie Plame,

northdallasthirty on May 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM

What was so hypocritical about the behavior of the Left in the Plame case was that until she came along, they had no problem with the identities of CIA agents being Outed. They treated Phillip Agee, who along with his fellow travelers exposed the identities of hundreds of CIA operatives, as a folk hero.

But when a hot looking blonde CIA desk jockey who hated Bush came along, they all suddenly fell in Lovey. Not with the CIA as a whole, just with her.

Hypocritical scum, all of them.

Del Dolemonte on May 15, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Nice re-election campaign you got there. Be a real shame if something happened to it.

Christien on May 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Christien on May 15, 2011 at 12:47 PM

OK, mea culpa. I saw it after I posted it but I didn’t think it was worth a correction. Should have read:

I seriously doubt the “revelations”, many of them misleading or otherwise inaccurate, are really doing much damage.

novaculus on May 15, 2011 at 1:18 PM

Somebody stick a sock (preferably an old, dirty athletic sock) in the old fool’s mouth. He’ll probably get dumped in ’12, but until then I say we put him on the Amtrak train to Wilmington and not let him get off for a couple of years.

The helmet cams are pretty common knowledge, though. And there were former SEALs commenting about them right after we learned who led the mission.

SukieTawdry on May 15, 2011 at 1:21 PM

The entire raid should have been black.

We should have denied or “no commented” for several years.

mockmook on May 15, 2011 at 1:23 PM

Gates makes THE MOST Sycophant remarks about Obama on tonight’s 60 Minutes…the gutsiest call in the history of the universe or something like that.

Then he goes on to accuse Obama (the fish rots from the head) of playing politics with the lives of out soldiers.

You can hear both on video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoONhw-ZSM

No Niks on May 15, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Well I don’t know anything about OPSEC but even a fool like me knows you don’t blag and brag about military operations to the press, or your cronies at social events, or anywhere else for that matter. These arrogant big mouth elites don’t have a lick of commen sense and the VP has proven himself once again to be a complete laughing stock.

scalleywag on May 15, 2011 at 1:45 PM

er, blab blag and brag

scalleywag on May 15, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Honestly…and perhaps it is just me…but I have not seen or heard one thing out of this whole op that could possibly affect the safety of these SPECOPS operators. True, the administration has milked this…and understandibly so…it was a big win…but what has been let out over the media is no more revealing than what Taliban, Al Qaeda, all other thugs have gleaned from facing these men head-on in the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. No operations plans have been revealed, no names, no stick order, nothing….

At the end of the day, this country is a Republic…the most free in the world, and we don’t have hit squads or military juntas that operate in the dark of night working completely in the black without some sort of authority by the citizenry thereof…and the citizenry gets curious.

If you feel that revealing the types of weapons they use or the fact that they had helmetcams on them is akin to revealing some sort of state secret, you need to put down the PS3/Modern Warfare and take a look at everything that we sell over the counter to everyday cops and soldiers at every military sales and surplus store all over the country…and something tells me that your average everyday SPECOPS operator is just a little more reasonable than to believe that if someone found out he is utilizing an M4 he *just can’t operate*.

CapitalistPig on May 15, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Who would want Joe Biden to serve even on a town council? He would give away all of the backroom bidding deals on the hiring of the community’s sanitation company.

onlineanalyst on May 15, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Maybe the best thing to do would be to send the VP to an undisclosed location….

Ummm, wouldn’t that sort of defeat the purpose of the place?

Barnestormer on May 15, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Thanks. But, then they should still have self-destruct capability if something does go wrong. JMHO.

Mirimichi on May 15, 2011 at 1:08 PM

They do/did.

It’s called the explosives the pilots (160th SOAR) used to blow it up.

I would hazard a guess that ALL SOAR air crew would be packing something like that in those sorts of missions.

For obvious SAFETY reasons you don’t want to pre-wire a transport of any kind to go boom at the touch of a button, the press of a key sequence or even a manual lever (such as is used with ejection seats).

Both of the first are electronics and a short circuit (like one caused by a crash or damage from incoming fire) could potentially make it explode with men onboard. The last idea could be again triggered by mistake in the heat of combat.

And finally the most obvious one: explosives last time I checked are not inert things even C4 or plastic explosives can be set off if exposed to other detonations.

SgtSVJones on May 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Blowhards, wannabes and amateurs.

Mason on May 15, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Twenty years from now, long after my bones are green, folks will credit the Seals and not Barry. They’ll credit the counter spook inside who didn’t leak the mission because of whatever reason. They’ll credit luck. They won’t credit the man who almost made himself a joke on Rushmore.

Limerick on May 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM

That the SEALS use HK weapons has been common knowledge among aficionados for some time.

That is not information that will do any harm or good, except perhaps to Heckler & Kochs bottom line as the wannabe tactical types queue up to buy the semi-auto version of the gun that killed Bin Laden.

The load was probably a specialty item, most likely sub-sonic, as that greatly reduces both sound signature and over-penetration.

But any release of tactics is idiocy, especially from those who are supposed to be responsible government officials.

And agree that those were certainly authorized ‘leaks’ designed to keep the mouth-breathers enthralled while the rest of the country collapses, and hopefully continue right up to the next election.

Siddhartha Vicious on May 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM

just an FYI but i looked up about the HK416 and its wiki page has a news article link from 2007 that talks about the SEALs using the hk416. so thats not really new news.

saL on May 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

After Biden blew operational security and identified the SEALs as the commandos, Obama didn’t have much choice but to extol their heroism

Yes he did…

… He could have chosen to be the Commander in Cheif and realized the importance of keeping secret the tactics and methods of our Special Operations Forces.

We have children in the charge of this nation…

… Let’s see how they handle what’s going on in the Middle East today.

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2011 at 2:27 PM

am guilty of being curious as to the firearm used and more interested in the type of load they used. I bet it was a special brew not found in retail gun shops but the tactics and techniques used should not have gotten so much attention.

fourdeucer

They probably stuck with the standard .556 ammo. I can see why they like the HK. It cost more but the reliability in high risk ops makes sense. Logistically though it is easier to use the relatively new A2 .556 rounds. The rounds are lighter than the next best choice of 9mm and most deployment packages usually packs 9mm ball as a pistol round.

Although to refute my own point, Army Special Operators prefer the .45 cal.

I can’t see that a discussion regarding the type of weapon favored by special operators could compromise OPSEC, however, the comments by the Veep and others possibly could compromise the missions.

E9RET on May 15, 2011 at 2:29 PM

These are the idiots and morons who openly despise the military and all it’s operations. Odumbo is the biggest hypocrite this nation has ever seen. Typical liberal.

ultracon on May 15, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Joe Biden, December 8th 1941.

The top secret radar post on Hawaii didn’t work as well as we expected yesterday, but I want to thank our boys for trying…”

profitsbeard on May 15, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Joe Biden, December 8th 1941.

“The top secret radar post on Hawaii didn’t work as well as we expected yesterday, but I want to thank our boys for trying…”

profitsbeard

Heh.

E9RET on May 15, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Please… none of this information at all would compromise Operational Security. Seals use HK416s and they fire projectile ammunition, so if we use bulletproof vests we can stop bullets… right? Just like every other Soldier in the WORLD! Tactics… They came out of a helicopter. What’s so super secret about that. Or, that they have these things called C4 that allows them to make entry into a dwellings. Please everything they do or use is either open source or commonly used joint tactics or get this… In action movies.

LordJack on May 15, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Biden needs one of those anti-bark dog collars, everytime he opens is mouth zzzzaappppp

the_ancient on May 15, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Please everything they do or use is either open source or commonly used joint tactics or get this… In action movies.

LordJack

As an aside, the Hollywood industry has been throwing a fit for a decade or more that the DoD won’t let them buy/rent Blackhawks so their movies are more realistics.

I can’t remember the last “G.I.” movie that I watched – and I don’t watch many – that didn’t have 50% or more SPOF issues throughout the movie. Sometime the entire plot revolves around it.

Most war movies are woefully lacking in realism although my father, a veteran of island hopping in the Pacific during WWII said some scenes in “Saving Private ryan” and “Band of Brothers” were close, probably because the veterams were so involved in the filming of those programs.

I can assure you that C4 ain’t as loud as portrayed and only young G.I.s and junior officers charge towards the sound of gunfire. Older NCOs and officers find somewhere safe from which to evaluate!!! ;-)
Oh, and hiding behind cars and most walls won’t protect you from most small arms fire.

E9RET on May 15, 2011 at 4:22 PM

I think it is time that Joe “The Brain” Biden shifted his focus to something else.

crosspatch on May 15, 2011 at 4:35 PM

The adults are in charge.

NoLeftTurn on May 15, 2011 at 5:21 PM

E9RET on May 15, 2011 at 2:29 PM

E9RET on May 15, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Thanks for the information. I am always curious about the loads and how they compliment the mission. In Viet-Nam we had incendiary grenades to drop down our mortar tubes or to put in the breech of the howitzers if needed. We also used to break off a marble sized piece of C4 to heat our C-rations. One of our industrious Co’s procured some rolls of barbed wire that we packed with C4 and put blasting caps in it to compliment our sparce supply of claymores. Modern warfare with RF controlled detonators must be nice.

fourdeucer on May 15, 2011 at 5:50 PM

This is turning into an operational nightmare. I’m sure SOCOM appreciates the good publicity after the Norgrove rescue, where people were starting to ask why we have a billion dollar department to do super elite work if they’re going to throw grenades around unsecured hostages like Army privates.

But having every civilian on the planet with dial-up tossing around terms like DEVGRU and BUD/S like they’re album titles has to be bad for operational security. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a complete terminology shake-up in the near future to return the “secret” to “secret mission.”

If any of them are reading this, may I suggest waiting it out until 2013? Otherwise you’ll just have to do it again.

HitNRun on May 15, 2011 at 6:11 PM

“There’s no fool like an old a Democrat fool!!!”

landlines on May 15, 2011 at 6:19 PM

[05/10/11 - 07:56 AM]
Discovery Channel Special “Killing Bin Laden” Provides Detailed Account of Dangerous and Historic Operation
The network further details the previously announced special, airing Sunday, May 15 at 10:00/9:00c

I guess just in case Biden didn’t let it all out.

Greed on May 15, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Maybe the best thing to do would be to send the VP to an undisclosed location before the next high-stakes covert operation — and then keep him there.  Until 2013.

Perhaps there’s a reason OBL didn’t want to harm Biden?

DSchoen on May 15, 2011 at 6:49 PM

just an FYI but i looked up about the HK416 and its wiki page has a news article link from 2007 that talks about the SEALs using the hk416. so thats not really new news.
saL on May 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

The article simply states a “5.56″ round. The SEAL’s have accesses to ANY weapon they want to use.

This was a covert operation, in order for some sorta Plausible deniability if things went south wouldn’t they use a weapon that was more or less native for that area?
Something like the AK-74 (yes 74 not 47)?

That is the weapon we have seen OBL himself operate. (looks like an AK-47 but has a BROWNISH plastic magazine)

AK-74 5.45x39mm ammo (actual bullet diameter is 5.62 mm)

Another point “5.56″ also means “.22 cal”

“5.56″ could also refer to the 5.56x28mm P-90 or the FN5n7 used in the Fort Hood shootings.

Considering there are literally hundreds of “5.56″ weapons, how can someone concluded that the actual weapon used was the HK 416?

DSchoen on May 15, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Someone from the MSM please explain to me again why Joe Biden is qualified to be a heartbeat away from POTUS and Sarah Palin is not.

troyriser_gopftw on May 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Democrat…

Khun Joe on May 15, 2011 at 7:10 PM

Anyone here old enough to remember the furor of “Hunt for Red October”? All unclassified information and supposition; and the Feds sweat Tom Clancy to tell him who told him operational secrets.

Go further back to “Dr Strangelove”

kubricks mockups of the cockpit of a “buff” were too close for comfort

Sonosam on May 15, 2011 at 7:39 PM

And then again, why are the helicopters having problems? Are they maintained by union workers?

Mirimichi on May 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Yes, in matter of fact they are.

What, have Blackhawks been falling out of the sky left and right for the last thirty years and they’re not telling us to protect the unions?

What else can we blame the unions for…Mississippi floods, forest fires, drought, car accidents, the Black Plague…?

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 15, 2011 at 9:36 PM

Somebody needs to break out the collars of shame for these loudmouths, but it seems that it’s always been that way in the U.S. I remember when Carter’s SecDef revealed the existence of stealth technology during the 1980 elections.

Leaking has become a prestige sport in Washington and environs.

flataffect on May 16, 2011 at 3:24 AM

@CapitalistPig, A WaPo article last week revealed the SEALs favorite bars and hang outs in Va Beach. Maybe you can’t put 2 + 2 together, but your average terrorist can.

Bevan on May 16, 2011 at 5:35 AM

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Biden is impeachment insurance, plain and simple. As in, who in their right minds would impeach Obimbo and hand Biden the presidency?

PJ Emeritus on May 16, 2011 at 7:39 AM

KSM had to be waterboarded numerous times…give him credit…hand Biden one drink and he spills it all…really, who would you rather have on your team?

right2bright on May 16, 2011 at 8:03 AM

Another point “5.56″ also means “.22 cal”

DSchoen

You correctly point out that is actually “5.56″(mm) versus the “.223″ (inch) versus standard slang “556″.

While I would rather not get shot at all, I would rather take my chances with being shot by a “.22 cal” than a “5.56″ round.

E9RET on May 16, 2011 at 10:02 AM