Video: LSU crowd throws water balloons at would-be flag burner

posted at 7:23 pm on May 13, 2011 by Allahpundit

He wanted to burn the flag in the name of “due process for students and suspected terrorists alike,” but either he thought better of it or, per the second clip below, he couldn’t get a safety permit from the school. So he came out to make a statement instead — and a huge crowd came out to shout him down. At first it’s simply chants of “USA,” but then it turns more aggressive; before long this guy’s being hit with water balloons, to laughs and cheers from the crowd, and by 2:42 the cops are sufficiently worried about the vibe that they have to pull him out of there for his own safety. You can see the fear in his face, too. It’s really unpleasant to watch. Why this is considered a free-speech triumph by some of the people who sent us the link, I have no idea. It’s the heckler’s veto in action. Had the shoe been on the other foot politically — and it has been, as the boss emeritus can attest from attempts to intimidate her during her public speaking engagements — it would be the blogospheric scandal du jour.

Two clips, one from the protest and the second of LSU’s student body president, who makes a point of saying that he regrets that things were thrown at the protester.


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Why this is considered a free-speech triumph by some of the people who sent us the link, I have no idea.

Let me help you to understand. This was a watershed moment for the overwhelming majority of Americans who’ve had enough of senseless protests by leftist malcontents who bitch and moan about this country, yet are more than happy to take full advantage of life here. That is disrespectful in the extreme both to the nation, its people, and the principle upon which both rest.

If you’ll note what that little POS wanted to say, he was there to “redefine due process for students and suspected terrorists alike.” That makes sense, how? He was protesting the arrest of another student who defaced the campus War Memorial, cutting down the American flag and burning it.

The crowd was there in support of America and to shout down an idiot. We have had enough of their bleating. If they’re so moved against America to protest in public, then by all means, they should seriously consider their relocation somewhere else that better suits their gentle sensibilities and political views.

It was Socrates who said, “America, love it or leave it.”

http://backwardsboy.blogspot.com/2010/09/america-love-it-or-leave-it-said.html

BackwardsBoy on May 14, 2011 at 11:03 AM

You have the right to free speech without threat of physical harm.

You also have the right to cross the street without being run over by a car.

People get run over crossing the street every day.

It is strongly advised that you exercise discretion before exercising your rights. Rights carry with them an innate responsibility for judicious use if one is to avoid negative repercussions of their use. The reaction of others to your repellent ideas is no less an environmental hazard that the reaction of your lungs to smoking. The court even acknowledges such environmental hazards through the “fighting words” exception.

My willingness to fight for your right to free speech does not compel me to feel sorry for the price that you pay when ordinary citizens take extraordinary offense at your speech. If your intention is to provoke outrage, then I hope you are prepared for the consequences of your success.

Immolate on May 14, 2011 at 11:07 AM

Here’s a thought, just maybe people are tired of the liberal bullshit double standard. Libs are now getting back what they’ve delt out to conservatives in the past.

Not saying it’s right or wrong. Just that conservatives aren’t going to ‘turn the other cheek’ any longer. The libs want civility? Then they’d better start practicing it themselves – rather than just mouthing the words.

Want to make an ‘artistic statement’ and put a crucifix in a glass of piss? Fine. I’ll also make a “performance art” statement – I’ll take the glass of piss and throw it in the “artist’s” face.

GarandFan on May 14, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Water balloons tossed at lefties are worse than throwing pies at conservatives. According to the left, splashing water on someone is torture of the most vile kind. Look at the sympathy KSM garnered when he broke down after having some water splashed on him.

We should take a moment to consider why water is to lefties what kryptonite is to Superman.

1: These are hippies we are talking about. When you splash water on them you create a hideous clean spot.
2: Water vapour is a leading cause of global warming.
3: Nightmares about the Bushlike Dorothy who, instead of engaging in constructive dialogue with the Wicked Witch, cruely killed her with her dirty water bomb.
4: Tap water is not organic, like those expensive bottles you buy at the organic supermarket.
5: I’ve seen a couple of videos with the same prank: getting environmentalists to sign a petition banning water (Penn and Teller were the first I saw). Some may argue that these petitions used the scientific name for water, fooling environmentalists who are obviously ignorant of actual science, but I maintain that they knew exactly what they were doing and wanted water banned.

You get the gist. To a lefty, water is the most dangerous substance, and to toss a couple of water balloons at him is a violation of his civil right to be self righteous.

Johnny 100 Pesos on May 14, 2011 at 11:14 AM

I’ll tell you what – I’m more proud to live in Louisiana – with students stepping to the plate on their own to demonstrate for the Flag.

A lot more proud than you are to live in WI – where they beat down Conservatives.

HondaV65 on May 14, 2011 at 12:46 AM

You mean the conservatives that just won a decisive battle against PEUs and elected in a conservative judge by the slimmest of margins, and are about to become the fifth state with Constitutional Carry?

If you want to start ripping on Wisconsin, let me tell you pal, you picked the wrong f**king time.

Meanwhile, conservatives knew they weren’t alone by these kids voicing their opinion. You seem to think throwing things at people you disagree with is just f**kin’ dandy. Throw a water balloon at someone I care about, and you’ll find yourself on the ground. This is nothing but a mob assaulting someone, no different than the assaulted woman carrying the cross a couple years ago in the crowd of Prop 8 opponents.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 11:40 AM

GarandFan on May 14, 2011 at 11:09 AM

You GET IT.

The lefties EXPECT us to condemn our crowds while they intimidate conservatives from their side WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE that we will do NOTHING to prevent this.

This has resulted in a half-century slide AWAY from the principles this nation was founded upon and a ZERO tolerance on most universities and colleges for Conservative thought and opinion.

You can give this little piece of human excrement down at LSU all the voice in the world and Conservatives can pat themselves on the back and say “I’m a good person – see – I’m not like them!”

And it doesn’t change the fact that our side is experiencing intimidation which is silencing Conservative voices and will eventually lead to more progressive policy and governance.

Madison Conservative lives in a state where Conservatives are persecuted on college campuses – he’s not doing anything to prevent that.

I live in a state where where Liberals are shouted down and hit with harmless water balloons. I’ve yet to find one Liberal down here who was beaten and racially insulted like the Tea Party Conservative was by SEIU thugs. I’ve yet to find a Liberal down here who’s had his finger bitten off.

My only regret is this happened without my knowledge and I couldn’t participate in the water polo match against this guy.

HondaV65 on May 14, 2011 at 11:44 AM

You mean the conservatives that just won a decisive battle against PEUs and elected in a conservative judge by the slimmest of margins, and are about to become the fifth state with Constitutional Carry?

If you want to start ripping on Wisconsin, let me tell you pal, you picked the wrong f**king time.

Meanwhile, conservatives knew they weren’t alone by these kids voicing their opinion. You seem to think throwing things at people you disagree with is just f**kin’ dandy. Throw a water balloon at someone I care about, and you’ll find yourself on the ground. This is nothing but a mob assaulting someone, no different than the assaulted woman carrying the cross a couple years ago in the crowd of Prop 8 opponents.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 11:40 AM

The capital in Baton Rouge has YET to be occupied by Communist Forces!

You can’t say the same in WI.

The best you can say – is that it’s a BLUE state that is a battle ground and by the slimmest of margins the Republicans (not necessarily CONSERVATIVES) have the upper hand – which is tenuous.

Don’t count your chickens before you’ve survived your recall elections MadCon – then maybe – if you’re still there – you can brag.

Down here – we’ve eliminated the Dimmocrits pretty much. The handful surviving are mere museum pieces.

HondaV65 on May 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM

The crowd was there in support of America and to shout down an idiot. We have had enough of their bleating. If they’re so moved against America to protest in public, then by all means, they should seriously consider their relocation somewhere else that better suits their gentle sensibilities and political views.

It was Socrates who said, “America, love it or leave it.”

BackwardsBoy on May 14, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Then I guess if you’ve ever complained about Obama or any of the myriad of liberal policymakers in control of our country, you should relocate as well.

The “love it or leave it” is as inane as it’s always been.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 11:49 AM

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 11:40 AM

With the spillway opening, you and Mr. Haas have impeccable timing for picking on Louisiana.

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Christien on May 14, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Then I guess if you’ve ever complained about Obama or any of the myriad of liberal policymakers in control of our country, you should relocate as well.

The “love it or leave it” is as inane as it’s always been.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 11:49 AM

I’ve actually thought seriously about this. The problem is – you’re posing a false choice.

For instance – if a Libbie likes Communism – he can relocate to China.

If he likes Socialism – he can relocate to Greece or any number of nations.

But if one is a Conservative – there’s no place to move to.

Name one place in the World that is freer and more Conservative than America – and you might have a point.

But since there is none – you don’t.

HondaV65 on May 14, 2011 at 11:55 AM

HondaV65 on May 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM

So you’re in a red state, remarking on how easy it is to be a conservative in a red state. Whoopie-doo. We’re turning a blue state purple. We kicked Feingold out. We elected Walker in. Sarah Palin came and spoke at our capital because we are quickly becoming one of the states that may swing the 2012 election.

You may like it easy. I like a fight. I just don’t need to throw s**t at people to make my point(like some union thugs literally did in Canada recently).

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 11:59 AM

HondaV65 on May 14, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Well, I could say move to Switzerland, but their immigration policy is so strict it’s near impossible.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 11:59 AM

HondaV65 on May 14, 2011 at 11:55 AM

This is the proverbial tempest in a teapot. No point arguing with these people, unless one likes arguing just for the sake of arguing. Let concern trolls be concerned–it means less than nothing.

Christien on May 14, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Well, I could say move to Switzerland, but their immigration policy is so strict it’s near impossible.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 11:59 AM

Not even Switzerland – Reagan even made it abundantly clear that if America turns it’s back on the principles she was founded upon – there is no place to escape to …

“If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth.”

Which is why the saying “Love it or Leave It” is perfectly acceptable when you say it to a Leftist. This nation wasn’t founded on their principles – it was founded upon OURS. WE are the ones, Conservatives – we are the ones that uphold Constitutional principle here.

If they don’t like those principles – they should move elsewhere.

But the fact is – we’ve lost control of this government – and our freedoms are now being pelted from the left – with little aid from many on our side. We’ve fought a “Joseph E. Johnsonesque” retreat to Atlanta for 50 years – and now we’re standing in Atlanta – SURROUNDED.

We fight here – now – and hard – or we lose.

HondaV65 on May 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM

I’m a graduate student at LSU, and there’s some things not being mentioned here.

This is not a flag-burning, but a desecration of a memorial to the war dead. The flag is part of a memorial to the students who died in WWII, with the names of the dead engraved on the memorial. Last week, a foreign student, Isaac Eslava, desecrated the war memorial to protest Bin Laden’s death. Haas is protesting here to protest that Eslava was arrested for vandalism, for the destruction of the flagpole and two flags belonging to the university.

The treatment Haas got was no worse than that given to a bad comedian. He got jeered, booed, and crap flung at him. He was never struck, no hands were laid on him, and he was not run off the stage. He fled because he is a wormy little coward who can’t deal with anyone disagreeing with him. He hides in his ultra-liberal Manship School for Mass Communications, where the professors serve as his echo chamber, and was shocked to realize that the rest of us don’t hold to his views. Right now, he is calling us all racists and xenophobes for wanting the cops to treat Eslava like the vandal he is. In my opinion, he deserved an ass kicking for his attitude; if he was bold enough to talk to my face, or anyone outside of the Mass Comm school, he’d get one.

I’d say that the crowd was exceptionally well behaved, given how much of a prick Haas is. Before you trust anything the Baton Rouge Advocate says, ask someone who knows. The Advocate is a heavily biased paper.

mabryb1 on May 14, 2011 at 12:11 PM

We fight here – now – and hard – or we lose.

HondaV65 on May 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM

And that’s what we’re doing right here in Wisconsin, the place you denigrate. Without throwing s**t at people. And we’re winning.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Christien on May 14, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Man oh man, I love it when drive-by posters label regular contributors as “concern trolls”. The irony is delicious.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 12:17 PM

I assumed the link was from the Advocate, my bad. Even so, the Daily Mail is even further from first-hand knowledge in this case.

mabryb1 on May 14, 2011 at 12:26 PM

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 12:17 PM

I love it when insecure people get a little authoritah via their “contributions,” immediately appeal to it, and demand others respect it.

You being a regular contributor is a real boon to HotAir!

Christien on May 14, 2011 at 12:32 PM

mabryb1 on May 14, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Well said. He’s a creep being defended by creeps who fancy themselves True Defenders of the Faith.

Christien on May 14, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Christien on May 14, 2011 at 12:32 PM

I love it when people who barely post get called on their bulls**t labels and throw a hissy fit.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 12:46 PM

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Says the king of HotAir hissy fits. You should’ve been banned long ago for the filth and tripe you posted–sorry, contributed–here for years. The only thing better than that was elevating you to Greenroom contributor. What a hoot that was!

Christien on May 14, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Now, I’ll let you have the final “contribution.”

Christien on May 14, 2011 at 1:03 PM

Watching with interest from the GWN.
Point 1: The left has used this tactic for years and years.
Well, sunshine, you set the rules, it’s time for you and your ilk to reap what you’ve sown so don’t b*tch, *ssholes.
Point 2: Having said that I can’t agree with the tactic. It’s theirs.
I think we’re better than that, stronger and far more dangerous, and I don’t mean that in a violence sense.
The mob shouted down some dumb*ss neo-hippie who did what he could to get attention and the folks at LSU gave it to him.

I would have LOVED to have seen some sort of “flash-mob” thing happen. He’s surrounded by people chanting “USA, USA, USA” and then he pulls out his little prepared statement, the crowd goes quiet, then just as he begins to speak a signal goes out and the entire crowd turns their back on him and starts singing, “America, the Beautiful” as loudly and enthusiastically as possible. Then when they’re done, they walk away without another word.
Would have been awesome and he would be forgotten in about 1.2 seconds.

From this lil’ ol’ Canuck to my American brothers and sisters, God Bless the USA.

mt

Mistahtibbs on May 14, 2011 at 1:23 PM

Mistahtibbs on May 14, 2011 at 1:23 PM

You’re forgetting: the LA ACLU already lied in the paper about what actually happened, saying the crowd “forced him off the memorial”. They wouldn’t hesitate to lie about whatever the crowd did.

mabryb1 on May 14, 2011 at 1:29 PM

You’re forgetting: the LA ACLU already lied in the paper about what actually happened, saying the crowd “forced him off the memorial”. They wouldn’t hesitate to lie about whatever the crowd did.

mabryb1 on May 14, 2011 at 1:29 PM

Quite the thread. I hadn’t seen that but it’s clear the police removed him and the ACLU is playing semantic games. The left love that and every day, with alt-media and videocams carried by citizens they are proven at nearly every turn to be lying about things that “happen.” Remember the CBC walk through the crowd and the allegations of racism?
I’m with Ronald Reagan. I wish I could find the quote, or better, the audio, of his talk about communism. If I recall correctly, the gist was that we should be eagerly meeting those on the left on the battleground of ideas and the superiority of the American Way (independence, self-sufficiency, etc) would win the day. That and RR had faith in the American People. That they would see that superiority and embrace it.
I miss RR.

In the end we have to be champions of speech, even speech we disagree with or we are no better than the shouting, wild-eyed Neo-Comms™ on the left.

mt

PS. Please note, I have trademarked “Neo-Comms™.” Should you use it please h/t me.
Kidding! Feel free to use away.

Mistahtibbs on May 14, 2011 at 1:44 PM

This is the local paper. I has a short part of the local ACLU rep’s statement and some snotty professors insinuating that the students are fascists:

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/LSU-protest-doused.html

mabryb1 on May 14, 2011 at 1:49 PM

I would have LOVED to have seen some sort of “flash-mob” thing happen. He’s surrounded by people chanting “USA, USA, USA” and then he pulls out his little prepared statement, the crowd goes quiet, then just as he begins to speak a signal goes out and the entire crowd turns their back on him and starts singing, “America, the Beautiful” as loudly and enthusiastically as possible. Then when they’re done, they walk away without another word.
Would have been awesome and he would be forgotten in about 1.2 seconds.

Mistahtibbs on May 14, 2011 at 1:23 PM

Conservative flash mobs would be EPIC.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Bet this burned the police’s ass having to protect this piece of shit.

Wade on May 14, 2011 at 2:50 PM

As a civilized people, we authorize only police to exercise retaliatory use of force. If this was a lawful act, they should have been left alone.

elfman on May 14, 2011 at 3:26 PM

I’d say that the crowd was exceptionally well behaved, given how much of a prick Haas is. Before you trust anything the Baton Rouge Advocate says, ask someone who knows. The Advocate is a heavily biased paper.

mabryb1 on May 14, 2011 at 12:11 PM

How old is this guy anyway? He looks like he’s late 20′s-early 30′s….certainly fits the mold of professional student who assumes he knows everything…..except how to do anything except attend class.

BobMbx on May 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Bet this burned the police’s ass having to protect this piece of shit.

Wade on May 14, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Without a doubt.

HondaV65 on May 14, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Says the king of HotAir hissy fits. You should’ve been banned long ago for the filth and tripe you posted–sorry, contributed–here for years. The only thing better than that was elevating you to Greenroom contributor. What a hoot that was!

Christien on May 14, 2011 at 12:55 PM

It’s revealing that the biggest tantrum-throwing troll on the HotAir forums is one of its own writers. Wow. It raises questions about the management of this operation.

Django on May 14, 2011 at 4:38 PM

It’s revealing that the biggest tantrum-throwing troll on the HotAir forums is one of its own writers. Wow. It raises questions about the management of this operation.

Django on May 14, 2011 at 4:38 PM

MadCon may be misguided and wrong – and he damn sure is in this case. But he’s no troll. In many cases – he posts very reasoned opinions on the issues and he’s a fine contributor here.

What he doesn’t realize is that Haas – actually waded into this crowd of a thousand people – who were exercising their freedom of speech to protest. He was upset because a fellow Marxist had been arrested on campus the day after the Bin Laden shooting for tearing down the American Flag (property of LSU by the way) – and attempting to burn it. Students stopped him from burning THEIR flag and reported him to authorities – he was arrested …

FOR VANDALISM. You may have a right to burn YOUR flag – but you don’t have the right to STEAL ONE and burn it.

But the vandalism was overlooked by the lefties – and they just considered this to be a violation of that student’s rights.

So along comes Ben Haas to protest it right! Gets the permit to burn the flag from the university – forgets to get a “burn permit” because – you see – you can’t just burn stuff in the city limits of Baton Rouge without a permit.

He could have burned it anyway – but this coward didn’t want to go to jail. So he alters his “statement” to make it look like he hadn’t intended to burn the flag after all.

And – this is where MadCon is downright wrong …

Freedom of Speech don’t guarantee a friendly audience. He waded into THEIR protest and the protesters had every right to shout him down.

The two or three people – out of a THOUSAND – threw water balloons. At the very best – they’re guilty of misdemeanor assault. I’m sure if you gave them the chance – they’d willfully admit their guilt and wear whatever judgement they received against them as a badge of honor –

And they’d never have to buy another drink in Louisiana again.

HondaV65 on May 14, 2011 at 4:53 PM

“Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother’s sword has been sheathed in a brother’s breast and that the once happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves. Sad alternative! But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?” George Washington, 1775

Washington consistently expressed his belief that peace was always preferable to war. Still, the founding of this country was due to a Revolutionary War, not a Revolutionary Peace March while whistling “Yankee Doodle Dandy.”

Everyone should read (or reread) Washington’s Farewell Address of 1796. Washington addresses many of topics being debated today and addresses them brilliantly. And he wrote it himself!

MayorDaley on May 14, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Django on May 14, 2011 at 4:38 PM

…and you’re absolutely free to complain to the owners or cease from reading or commenting on the site since it offends your delicate sensibilities so greatly.

Bee on May 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM

I didn’t like seeing a jackass throw pies at Ann Coulter or shut down speaking engagements of conservative folks and I do not approve of this.

dogsoldier on May 13, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Your mistake is thinking that a civilized exchange of ideals is possible for a majority of humans. How often have you seen that occur?

DFCtomm on May 14, 2011 at 6:35 PM

MadCon,

I really think you’re overreacting a bit here . . . no, I think you’re waaaay overreacting.

In the first place, I strongly suspect there were a significant number of students who secured and brought “operational” water balloons with them, likely as a legitimate means to prevent the flag “desecration by burning” from taking place . . . by dousing it and or the matches/lighter before it caught flame.

Back in 1976, Rick Monday exercised symbolic speech once by pilfering an American flag from two jerks who trying to set it on fire on the field in Dodger Stadium, and it rightfully became one of the great symbolic statements of our time!

Further, I would submit that if you choose to believe that very publicly and provocatively setting fire to an American flag as a form of protest is protected “symbolic” speech under the First Amendment, then you would also have to concede that tossing and breaking a water balloon on the flag or matches, just prior to, or even just as it is being ignited, is protected “symbolic” speech as well.

Both are symbolic protests seen as protected speech . . . actions taken to make a political point.

Further, the drowning out of his replacement speech by the chants of “USA’ was a pure case of free speech versus free speech. Just because you have a right of free speech, does not somehow entitle you to a right to be free of simultaneous reply!

When the officer intervened, Haas willingly chose to cut his speech short, and to flee from the scene in frustration. But that was his decision. Too bad for him! I’ll bet he demanded police protection before hand, claiming he was going to be exercising his constitutional right to protest. He didn’t get to make his point because he stupidly picked the wrong venue. Instead, the very crowd he intended to offend and provoke made their point by turning it up a notch and exercising their right to free speech louder than his!

From the video, it thereafter appears to me that Benjamin Haas was doused by only one water balloon (although there may have been two thrown), which took place following his decision to cut his speech short because it was drowned out by shouts from the crowd, and while he was being escorted away from the scene by the police.

Tossing a water balloon is certainly not up to a “pie-in-the-face” standard, but it is arguably outside the realm of symbolic speech, and technically into the area of harassment or perhaps even a battery, depending on the definition in the jurisdiction.

The discretionary judgment exercised by the officers was to prevent violence and continue the disengagement, and that certainly seemed to have been reasonable under the circumstances.

So, what we really had here was a case of an annoyingly stupid grad student who tried and obviously failed to provoke a much uglier incident, under the guise of defending “due process,” but who in the end lost his nerve and ran away. As a result, he proved nothing, earning every bit of his reputation going forward as a sniveling, craven little smacked patoot!

Trochilus on May 14, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Allahpundit on May 13, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Sorry, Allah, but you err in your assumption this was public land. It’s university property, which is why Haas the Aas had to get university permission.

PJ Emeritus on May 14, 2011 at 9:20 PM

tetriskid on May 13, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Missing the entire point. His bromance had every right to burn HIS OWN flags, but he STOLE the property of the university and destroyed it. Way to miss the criminality of the act completely.

PJ Emeritus on May 14, 2011 at 9:42 PM

I will now root for LSU in whatsoever venue they are competing in. I don’t care if it’s simply the Rally Squad championships.

GO LSU!

ORrighty on May 13, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Imagine me; Razorbacks and Penn State with deep respects to OSU.

ProudPalinFan on May 14, 2011 at 9:47 PM

…and you’re absolutely free to complain to the owners or cease from reading or commenting on the site since it offends your delicate sensibilities so greatly.

Bee on May 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM

They just like complaining. If I was really what they say I am, I’d be gone.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 10:55 PM

If you’ll note what that little POS wanted to say, he was there to “redefine due process for students and suspected terrorists alike.” That makes sense, how? He was protesting the arrest of another student who defaced the campus War Memorial, cutting down the American flag and burning it.
BackwardsBoy on May 14, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Ahhh! Thanks for the background.
If terrorist really want “due process” all they gotta do is turn themselves in to the USA, problem solved.

DSchoen on May 14, 2011 at 11:00 PM

Meanwhile, conservatives knew they weren’t alone by these kids voicing their opinion. You seem to think throwing things at people you disagree with is just f**kin’ dandy. Throw a water balloon at someone I care about, and you’ll find yourself on the ground. This is nothing but a mob assaulting someone, no different than the assaulted woman carrying the cross a couple years ago in the crowd of Prop 8 opponents.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Every once in a while, the stars align and we agree on something.

unclesmrgol on May 15, 2011 at 12:08 AM

Your mistake is thinking that a civilized exchange of ideals is possible for a majority of humans. How often have you seen that occur?

DFCtomm on May 14, 2011 at 6:35 PM

No, his mistake is thinking that our side of things might somehow have the big picture in mind — not the little tactical advantage the libs tend to go for.

unclesmrgol on May 15, 2011 at 12:10 AM

Sorry, Allah, but you err in your assumption this was public land. It’s university property, which is why Haas the Aas had to get university permission.

PJ Emeritus on May 14, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Still state land. You have to get a parade permit in some cities to march down the public streets.

It doesn’t matter. This person wanted to exercise his free speech rights to deliver a message repugnant to many of us, including myself — and suffered violence because of it. Those who attempt to suppress free speech, be it by heckling or by violence, are certainly not the best Americans. The so-called “Irvine 11″ — what do you think of them? They didn’t do violence against the Israeli Ambassador who was scheduled to speak on public land — they heckled him off the stage, and were arrested for it.

If you think people who threw water balloons are justified, then you certainly are in agreement that hecklers are even more justified, since their violence is far less. After all, the hecklers in the Irvine case were merely American citizens expressing their frustration at Israeli policies, and chose to express that frustration in front of a non-citizen speaker representing the Government of Israel.

A person who has been granted a right to speak by the owner or administrator of the property upon which he or she speaks should be permitted to exercise that right, and it’s not possible to exercise said right without a quiet forum and the absence of physical confrontation.

That’s why I’m for the prosecution of the Irvine 11, and will certainly be for the prosecution of the water balloon throwers.

unclesmrgol on May 15, 2011 at 12:20 AM

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 11:40
Every once in a while, the stars align and we agree on something.unclesmrgol on May 15, 2011 at 12:08 AM

MadCon’s and your stuff ‘smrgol
have much in common – both cracked crocks o’ manure!

Here’s a BULLETIN: The USA is in REVOLUTION.
Predictably, demonstrations will become warmer,
as more and more Patriotic AMERICANS REVOLT against the thieving tyranny perpetrated on them by the Political Left.

Yes, even T. Jefferson was sometimes on point!

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on May 15, 2011 at 3:12 AM

I am not– and never have been– a fan of the “heckler’s veto.” Having said that, this speaker could have made his point and had all the free speech he wanted without an intentional affront to the sensibilities of others.

No, they should not have thrown things at him, but I can certainly understand their actions and their feelings. After all, imagine if it had been a Koran…

morganfrost on May 15, 2011 at 8:21 AM

It’s WAAAAY beyond “right and wrong” bucko – and that’s what people are missing.

Conservatives fear for their lives on 90% of the college campuses out there. This didn’t just happen yesterday – it’s been like this for decades – and NO ONE – has done a damn thing to correct it. We had a GOP President – and a GOP Congress that never once tried to pull funding for Universities that wouldn’t allow military recruiters on their campuses.

It’s not just lives, but livelihoods. Conservatives are punished for ungoodthink every single day across this nation (see: Catholic Charities in MA, the photographer in NM, Boy Scouts) and the left isn’t going to stop.

Your earlier quote is absolutely right, too, Honda.

Either we fight back or we’re going to lose. The left is no longer even pretending to be civil or law-abiding.

englishqueen01 on May 15, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Wonder if shooting blanks out of an AR-15 in public in front of the local DNC HQ would be protected as “free speech”?

Would making nearby windows rattle with the deep bass from my own composition called Straight Outta Wasilla would be protected as free speech, yo?

Also wonder how close I would have gotten to the One with my “Your Grandma Died Because She’s A Lesbian” poster when he was spreading her ashes in Hawaii?

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 15, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Booooooooooooo.

hillbillyjim on May 15, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Just a reminder here …

1. This Haas guy wanted to make a statement about the wrongful arrest of his bromance for vandalism. The arrest was completely valid.

2. His goal was to burn a flag – to complete the act that his bromance had begun – but who was stopped by LSU students in the act – reported – and arrested.

3. He was a such a coward – he would not complete the flag burning after being informed he didn’t have a “burn permit”. What is that? A misdemeanor? So this guy was too much of a coward to complete his “protest” in support of his “bromance” because he was fearful of a misdemeanor charge. LOL – some student of Alinski huh?

4. So he re-wrote his statement – to make it look like he never intended to burn a flag.

5. Then HE MARCHED INTO THE CROWD OF PROTESTERS – who were there making their own protest legally. He stole their forum for freedom of speech and then started reading his statement. He didn’t have to do that – he could have posted a statement on FaceBook – or made a statement anywhere else besides in the middle of that crowd.

6. The people shouted him down – they had that right. They called him names – they had that right. Free speech ya know?

7. A FEW PEOPLE threw (harmless) water balloons – which is basically misdemeanor assault. I’m sure no one on our side would have a problem in charging these handful of individuals – and, I’m willing to bet they’d admit their guilt – which as I stated above – would result in them never having to buy another drink in the State of Louisiana for the rest of their lives.

HondaV65 on May 15, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Here’s a BULLETIN: The USA is in REVOLUTION.

On Watch on May 15, 2011 at 3:12 AM

So are you going to start assaulting those you believe to be enemies?

MadisonConservative on May 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Freedom of Speech don’t guarantee a friendly audience. He waded into THEIR protest and the protesters had every right to shout him down.

That’s it in a nutshell. The water balloons were over the line, but had the situation been reversed, I imagine water balloons would be considered mild compared to what a riled-up crowd of lefties would have done. Recent history bears this out.

hillbillyjim on May 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Another not so minor point: These people weren’t bussed in by OFA or supported by purple-shirted thugs.

hillbillyjim on May 15, 2011 at 10:38 AM

So are you going to start assaulting those you believe to be enemies?

MadisonConservative on May 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM

No one said that MadCon … and only a few people in the crowd threw waterballoons. They can be arrested – but I don’t the crowd at large did anything wrong.

But to answer your question – anyone has an option to assault anyone they wish – if they are willing to pay the consequences.

I’d have gladly douched that guy with a barrage of water balloons and then submitted myself for arrest. I would have had to explain this misdemeanor assault charge to my bosses at work – and they’d have howled like hyaenas! It might have earned me a raise!

This is a serious overreaction on the part of many to a few HARMLESS water balloons. I mean seriously – who HASN’T played “water balloons”??

I believe the water balloons were there to help put out the burning flag if he intended to burn one. I applaud it.

HondaV65 on May 15, 2011 at 11:07 AM

He just pick the wrong thing to burn at LSU.

Knott Buyinit on May 15, 2011 at 11:46 AM

I’d have gladly douched that guy with a barrage of water balloons and then submitted myself for arrest. I would have had to explain this misdemeanor assault charge to my bosses at work – and they’d have howled like hyaenas! It might have earned me a raise!

HondaV65 on May 15, 2011 at 11:07 AM

I’m not going to represent conservatism by knowingly committing crimes. I thought that was the left’s game.

MadisonConservative on May 15, 2011 at 1:53 PM

allahpundit:

Why this is considered a free-speech triumph by some of the people who sent us the link, I have no idea.

Whether the LSU event turns out to be a sort of free speech ‘water balloon toss heard round the nation’, only time will tell. The real issue is why so many on the right see this as a “watershed” event (as another commenter wrote)..

As viewed from the right and much of the center, the LSU event happened in the larger context of the perceived status of 1st amendment rights in America today.

The left has systematically conducted a strategy of minimizing and controlling the 1st amendment rights of the center/right in order to establish their control over the national dialogue.

Time after time, after every abuse by the left, every heckler’s veto, every speech code, every instance of being declared as, and treated as, racists, sexists, rapists or some other “ist”, when we displayed a flag or attempted to demonstrate our love and support for our nation and the effective, time-tested values and culture of America, we on the right remained on what we believed to be the free speech high ground, using what little was left of our free speech to do so.

The cold reality is that the left succeeded. To a significant degree they control the national dialogue. In a practical and political sense, the left defines what is considered acceptable and correct exercise of free speech in America.

So the LSU event is seen and felt in the heart by many as an indication that the 1st amendment (along with the rest of the Constitution) can be restored to its rightful place in America – but that it is probably going take fighting fire with fire.

Obviously that conflicts with the concept we’ve tried to live by of countering the left’s “speech” with our own speech.

The conundrum is that doing so has helped place us in a situation where our speech is losing – not on the merits, on that we win hands down – but in the arena of discussion that ends up determining the direction of the nation.

DrDeano on May 15, 2011 at 3:03 PM

heh.

awesome.

Tim_CA on May 15, 2011 at 3:26 PM

SAUL ALINSKY, YOU MAGNIFICENT B@STARD! WE READ YOUR BOOK!

Roy Rogers on May 15, 2011 at 4:10 PM

When water balloons are outlawed only outlaws will have water balloons.

viking01 on May 15, 2011 at 6:33 PM

but that it is probably going take fighting fire with fire.

DrDeano on May 15, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Um … .

davidk on May 15, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Hey next time some jackass wants to burn a flag, use denatured alcohol in place of water. That ought to be a hoot.

Fair warning: People who hate America SHOULD LEAVE.
LEAVE NOW. The war is about to start.
See Also: Indiana’s Police State.

orbitalair on May 15, 2011 at 7:08 PM

I love it when people who barely post get called on their bulls**t labels and throw a hissy fit.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Mad, you’ve been a great member here for a long time. I just wanted to say that as of late, so many on this site lately like to have a go at other Conservatives. If they disagree on one wee bit, no matter how long one has been here, they will scream TROLL and try to NOT break your arguement, but bury one in ad hominem attacks. Smells lefty to me.

I just wanted to say that in your defense because you’ve ALWAYS been decent to me even when we disagreed.
I appreciate that.

I get what you’re saying and it is prescient because strangely enough, the point you are making can be applied to this very site. It has gotten ugly here (when it used to be a place of great debate and learning) and yes, it is a tragedy when well thinking Conservatives have let themselves devolve into Leftist tactics. Ironic and sad.

And don’t worry about the fool you were responding to in the post I copied. IT only wishes it was as smart and funny as you. IT is NOT. IT waits around to just jump in on a fight and NEVER contributes anything of substance and just name calls. Those with brains know this and rightly dismiss IT.

Gob on May 15, 2011 at 7:45 PM

It’s about time we heckled back! Moar!

DaMav on May 16, 2011 at 7:30 AM

Geaux Tigers!!

jcampbell on May 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM

It’s my understanding that people in the chancellors office tried to talk him out of it and explained to him that Esclava’s freedom of speech had nothing to do with the charges against him. He destroyed private property.

Haas should pick another vocation because his communication skills are pretty weak.

FWIW The Advocate is a liberal rag and it won’t be around much longer.

roux on May 16, 2011 at 10:23 AM

You have the right to free speech without threat of physical harm.

The Constitution only protects you from the government infringement of free speech. It has no consideration for private citizens’ reaction to your use of speech.

Big John on May 16, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Here’s a BULLETIN: The USA is in REVOLUTION.

On Watch on May 15, 2011 at 3:12 AM
So are you going to start assaulting those you believe to be enemies?

MadisonConservative on May 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Yep. Like The Won himself said, “They bring a knife, you bring a gun.” It’s time we get off of our a$$es and fight fire with fire. Our inaction is a type of action, a failing action. If they bring it, I’m shoving it right back in their face as hard as I possibly can. Enough is enough and I’m tired of the left’s bullshit.

Big John on May 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM

So the defense of our national banner is now relegated to private citizens armed with water balloons?!? And so-called ‘conservatives’ are saying this is going overboard?!

Ladies and gentlemen…is there a backbone in the house?

Uncle Sams Nephew on May 16, 2011 at 1:53 PM

I love it when people who barely post get called on their bulls**t labels and throw a hissy fit.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Mad, you’ve been a great member here for a long time. I just wanted to say that as of late, so many on this site lately like to have a go at other Conservatives. If they disagree on one wee bit, no matter how long one has been here, they will scream TROLL and try to NOT break your arguement, but bury one in ad hominem attacks. Smells lefty to me.

I just wanted to say that in your defense because you’ve ALWAYS been decent to me even when we disagreed.
I appreciate that.

I get what you’re saying and it is prescient because strangely enough, the point you are making can be applied to this very site. It has gotten ugly here (when it used to be a place of great debate and learning) and yes, it is a tragedy when well thinking Conservatives have let themselves devolve into Leftist tactics. Ironic and sad.

And don’t worry about the fool you were responding to in the post I copied. IT only wishes it was as smart and funny as you. IT is NOT. IT waits around to just jump in on a fight and NEVER contributes anything of substance and just name calls. Those with brains know this and rightly dismiss IT.

Gob on May 15, 2011 at 7:45 PM

ditto

snoopicus on May 16, 2011 at 5:26 PM

MadisonConservative on May 15, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Again, in a lame attempt to overstate the case, you’re missing the real point.

Shouting him down because he was trying to make his statement during their protest was free speech versus free speech . . . he lost the exchange, and deservedly so.

Just because the guy has a right to free speech does not oblige the crowd to listen politely to his stupid rant. He decided to interrupt their forum by provoking them, and he lost.

He wanted to exercise his “free speech” by committing the act of openly and provocatively burning an American flag in their presence. Symbolic speech. They brought water balloons to douse the lighter and/or the matches when he tried. Symbolic speech, right back at you!

He chickened out . . . likely when he saw all the water balloons, and after a lame attempt to verbally defend the indefensible, he was drowned out and convinced to leave the scene by the police.

One or two water balloons were tossed, and obviously no one was hurt or injured.

I suppose it could technically be seen as a battery (or harrassmsnt), but one of the escorting police turned and quieted them down, and that ended it.

So, calling it criminal behavior on their part is really a little silly on your part. He was a provocative jerk who tried and failed to create a much worse confrontation, and in the end he folded.

So why not get down off your high horse?

Trochilus on May 17, 2011 at 8:22 PM

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