Report: Chris Christie, Scott Walker privately pledge to back Daniels if he runs

posted at 4:13 pm on May 13, 2011 by Allahpundit

Eeeenteresting. Christie and Walker have each issued the obligatory formal denials since the report came out, natch, but they’ve also both cooed over Daniels publicly in the last month. And it’s no big stretch to think that two Republican governors famous for being fiscal-con warriors would gravitate to the other guy in the race (or soon to be in the race) who fits that bill.

I keep thinking Daniels will have a hard time getting the base to warm up to him, but if he hits them with this one-two endorsement punch, maybe not. Christie’s endorsement alone wouldn’t do it — he’s the guy who backed Mike Castle, after all — but toss in the hero of Wisconsin and suddenly there’s a lot of mojo working.

Reflecting what many observers see as weak Republican field, the pressure on Daniels to run has been intense. He has been assured backing from big-money donors who supported George W. Bush, in addition to former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, as well as top sitting Republican governors.

Sources tell CBS News popular New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has told Daniels he would back him, as would Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.

And as a sign of how important his wife is to the decision, sources tell CBS News that even former First Lady Laura Bush has called Cheri Daniels personally to encourage her to support the effort and offer advice on how to define what her role on the campaign–and potentially in the White House–would be.

If it’s true, and if in fact Daniels gets in, the big loser is obviously Pawlenty. He’s the “other” fiscally conservative midwestern governor in the race, in case Christie and Walker are intent on backing someone with that description, and his viability depends chiefly on being the most electable “Not Romney” in the field. Daniels’s entry would make people ask, “Why Tim instead of Mitch?” Now that Daniels has signed the bill defunding Planned Parenthood, even the presumptive “social truce” answer to that question doesn’t have the same juice that it used to.

Daniels, who was Bush’s OMB chief, also reportedly told well wishers last night that in a perfect world, if he ran, he’d have Condi Rice as his VP. I take that to mean he won’t pick her if he’s nominated, merely that he wishes he could. Which makes sense: She’d bring foreign policy chops to the ticket that he lacks and, of course, racial and gender diversity, but a Team Bush ticket just four years after Dubya left office will make a lot of Republicans nervous. It’ll also compound his problem of having to explain why he should be trusted to right the fiscal ship of state when his old boss contributed to it listing in the first place. Ace also makes an interesting argument that Daniels, uniquely, might have problems putting a woman on the ticket because he’s already seen as a bit too deferential to his wife. I’m skeptical that that’s true: Men who question Daniels’s “toughess” probably won’t question it enough to be driven into the arms of Barack Obama, and meanwhile Condi might help lure women independents out of O’s camp. If Ace is right, though, I think it’s a problem specific to Daniels and his public image, not a problem with U.S. politics generally. A guy like, say, Fred Thompson who’s seen as an alpha male in all other respects could get away with being viewed as a deferential husband. A guy like Daniels, though? Maybe not. That’s a lame double standard, but retail politics is often lame. Besides, there are other reasons to think having Condi on the ticket would hurt him — and none of them have to do with gender.


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Huntsman is a nice balance but he faces such a head wind I don’t think he is going any where.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 5:13 PM

If the media hadn’t proclaimed him to be a fearsome opponent for Obama, would you still feel that way? He’s a Trojan RINO.

hawksruleva on May 13, 2011 at 5:17 PM

I looked at his record, I watched a couple of speeches… he is as Republcian as the next guy.

The media spin is that he is a moderate. Look at his record!

They say he is a moderate because he is nice, they don’t think it is possible to be a nice conservative.

But at any rate he is too new to the national scene to make a dent, when his most recent job was under Obama.

Besides. I don’t buy into the “everyone is a RINO but my candidate”. In fact that is one of the things that will set me on a rant.

Too tired right now, though.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 5:31 PM

It’s because their votes can be taken for granted. They don’t need to be won over, they’re “the base!” “The base” can be an obstacle in the primaries, but in the end they’re not usually decisive even then. After all, “the base” sure didn’t want McCain, they wanted Huckster last time. “The base” didn’t want Reagan for that matter. So no, a candidate needn’t concern himself too much with “the base.”

MJBrutus on May 13, 2011 at 5:22 PM

yeah tell that to Bush the 1st, Dole and McCain. Bush the second for all his faults understood he needed the base to win. Oh yeah and let mitt know about how the base can be taken for granted.

unseen on May 13, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Not to go all spin-doctor here, but the optics of Daniels vs. Obama in a debate would not win Daniels any points.

hawksruleva on May 13, 2011 at 5:18 PM

It’ll look like a ventriloquist act.

pseudoforce on May 13, 2011 at 5:35 PM

NoNails on May 13, 2011 at 5:30 PM

I’m sure to offend you again soon.

:)

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Not to go all spin-doctor here, but the optics of Daniels vs. Obama in a debate would not win Daniels any points.

hawksruleva on May 13, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Well maybe if Daniels brought his wife with him it would be an even match.

unseen on May 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM

pseudoforce on May 13, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Because Daniels is short, right? Ventriloquist, that’s funny.

MJBrutus on May 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM

I’m sure to offend you again soon.

:)

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Of that, we can be sure. :-)

NoNails on May 13, 2011 at 5:38 PM

It’s because their votes can be taken for granted. They don’t need to be won over, they’re “the base!” “The base” can be an obstacle in the primaries, but in the end they’re not usually decisive even then. After all, “the base” sure didn’t want McCain, they wanted Huckster last time. “The base” didn’t want Reagan for that matter. So no, a candidate needn’t concern himself too much with “the base.”

MJBrutus on May 13, 2011 at 5:22 PM

yeah tell that to Bush the 1st, Dole and McCain. Bush the second for all his faults understood he needed the base to win. Oh yeah and let mitt know about how the base can be taken for granted.

unseen on May 13, 2011 at 5:34 PM

You are fighting the last election.

This is shaping up to be a Republican year, like 2008 was a Democrat year.

And that means the middle is what counts.

Obama didn’t win because he was a Marxist. He won because they hid the fact that Obama was a Marxist.

Obama said he would end the racial problems, he would be bi-artisan, he would end the corruption…

That is moderate. That is what wins elections.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Wow, that was really well put :-)

MJBrutus on May 13, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Yeah, you’re right. I take that post back.

MJBrutus on May 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM

I hope so. A third of the country identifies as conservative. That makes or breaks elections. How’s Johnny Mac doing?

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 5:43 PM

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 5:43 PM

He still has a job in politics. How ’bout his Veep who was selected to bring in “the base?” Did They lose because “the base” didn’t vote for them? I kinda thought it came down to the middle going for PBHO after buying the false impression that Petunia described.

MJBrutus on May 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM

I do not trust CBS Sources..But I think it is safe to say somebody is floating a trial balloon for sure!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Yes, because his primary opponent was, unfortunately, a screwball. And yes, the base abandoned McCain when he put a muzzle on Palin in October of 08. Bush ran more to the right than McCain did, hence he won. Obama won because he had charisma and celebrity appeal. That’s worn off. We have a tremendous opportunity now to run a very conservative candidate…but instead, we’re going with a balding dwarf who would ask his wife what flavor of ice cream he wants.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 5:50 PM

He still has a job in politics. How ’bout his Veep who was selected to bring in “the base?” Did They lose because “the base” didn’t vote for them? I kinda thought it came down to the middle going for PBHO after buying the false impression that Petunia described.

MJBrutus on May 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM

I think you conveniently forget that McCain was ahead until the bottom fell out of the economy. Many of Obama’s votes were a vote against the “Bush economy”, and of course many of Obama’s votes were proclamations of stupidity and ignorance.

NoNails on May 13, 2011 at 5:51 PM

That is moderate. That is what wins elections.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Yeah becaus ein 2008 the dems in a dem year decided to run a liberal socialist because moderates were where the action was. If its a GOP year than the GOP should be running the most conservative person on the field. What are the moderates going to do vote for the socialist and higher gas prices?

unseen on May 13, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Daniels, who was Bush’s OMB chief, also reportedly told well wishers last night that in a perfect world, if he ran, he’d have Condi Rice as his VP. I

Truce & Taxes/Obama Voter 2012!

Winning ticket /sarc

Norwegian on May 13, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Here’s the deal. Whoever gets the nomination will win because of TP support. TPers DO NOT like the Bushies. Daniels is the consummate Bushie. Dick Armey will try to sway the TP to support Daniels. He will fail.

NoNails on May 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM

I don’t understand your comment. Do you mean that whoever gets the nomination will win only if that person gets TP support? If so, I agree with you.

GaltBlvnAtty on May 13, 2011 at 5:56 PM

And yes, the base abandoned McCain when he put a muzzle on Palin in October of 08. Bush ran more to the right than McCain did, hence he won.

So that’s what happened. Fascinating. So you’re saying that the reason we are suffering with PBHO is because “the base” didn’t vote. Well far be it from me to call that risible.

a balding dwarf who would ask his wife what flavor of ice cream he wants.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Ha ha. You so funny.

MJBrutus on May 13, 2011 at 5:57 PM

One thing that makes me a squish… I have been so called, you may be surprised to know

Why, Petunia, never in my born days! ;-P

cynccook on May 13, 2011 at 6:00 PM

.

If Ace is right, though, I think it’s a problem specific to Daniels and his public image, not a problem with U.S. politics generally. A guy like, say, Fred Thompson who’s seen as an alpha male in all other respects could get away with being viewed as a deferential husband. A guy like Daniels, though? Maybe not. That’s a lame double standard, but retail politics is often lame. Besides, there are other reasons to think having Condi on the ticket would hurt him — and none of them have to do with gender.

First he is not into values enough…and then too much.

Would people prefer it if he talked a lot about social issues, but ignored his wife or cheated on her or acted as if she were not an important part of his life?

Terrye on May 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Ha ha. You so funny.

MJBrutus on May 13, 2011 at 5:57 PM

You not.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:02 PM

It’ll look like a ventriloquist act.

pseudoforce on May 13, 2011 at 5:35 PM

More accurately (I think) it will look like Obama is making an appearance at a progeria fundraiser.

cynccook on May 13, 2011 at 6:04 PM

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:02 PM

OT:..Saw a comment by Steve Egg during TEMS that Tammy Balwin is probably in for Senate (WI)..Will you be announcing soon?..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:06 PM

This is all just the predictable and self-deluding preamble to the inevitable undoing of the RINOs. They’re as scared as they’ve been in their sorry, sold-out lives, and are thrashing this way and that trying to outflank She That Must be Destroyed.

rrpjr on May 13, 2011 at 6:07 PM

OT:..Saw a comment by Steve Egg during TEMS that Tammy Balwin is probably in for Senate (WI)..Will you be announcing soon?..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Sure, once I hide all the guns, hookers, drugs, and Goldwater paraphernalia.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:08 PM

It seems odd to elevate to main article status a report from CBS News, which just last week incorrectly attributed a bombshell quote to Obama, that has already been denied by both parties.

Y-not on May 13, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Some folks are getting delusional!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Sure, once I hide all the guns, hookers, drugs, and Goldwater paraphernalia.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:08 PM

ROFL!..Wish I could help you!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Y-not on May 13, 2011 at 6:08 PM

That is a good point!..CBS is not the greatest with their sources..Ask Dan Rather..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:11 PM

First he is not into values enough…and then too much.

Would people prefer it if he talked a lot about social issues, but ignored his wife or cheated on her or acted as if she were not an important part of his life?

Terrye on May 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Nobody cares about him or his wife at all. If he is talking about running then his decision making matters. His wife will be first lady and how much influence she has and who she is then becomes relevant. What is he willing to accept, how does he come to a decision and will he stand for something?

We don’t know what the questions will be in the future. Something will happen and we want to know how he might respond to those unknowns. So we look at his life and the decisions he made there. We look at his political career with the same intent.

Fair has nothing to do with it. People just want a handle on what he might do in the future.

sharrukin on May 13, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Yeah becaus ein 2008 the dems in a dem year decided to run a liberal socialist because moderates were where the action was. If its a GOP year than the GOP should be running the most conservative person on the field. What are the moderates going to do vote for the socialist and higher gas prices?

unseen on May 13, 2011 at 5:53 PM

WE knew Obama was a Marxist. But he was not marketed as a Marxist. He was marketed as a moderate, who could end the racial politics and the partisan bickering. I listened to a speech or two and he was very impressive on those subjects.

And we also know that Palin was a great person, with a nice family, but all that media spin took hold. And they didn’t reject the real Palin, they rejected the one the media made up.

The election was won in the middle.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

I don’t understand your comment. Do you mean that whoever gets the nomination will win only if that person gets TP support? If so, I agree with you.

GaltBlvnAtty on May 13, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Yeah, pretty much.

NoNails on May 13, 2011 at 6:16 PM

OT:..Saw a comment by Steve Egg during TEMS that Tammy Balwin is probably in for Senate (WI)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Le Gag.

steebo77 on May 13, 2011 at 6:17 PM

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

We’ve all said this to you before.

Per Gallup.com, 12/16/10:

The political composition of U.S. adults held fairly steady in 2010 compared with 2009. Conservatives remained the largest group, followed by moderates and then liberals. At 35%, the percentage of moderates has declined to a new low, highlighting the increased political polarization that has occurred over the past decade.

…Fewer people in all three party groups call themselves moderate today than did so in 2002, but the decline is particularly steep among Republicans. The percentage of Republicans calling themselves moderate fell from 31% in 2002 to 27% by 2006, and now stands at 23%. There has been a commensurate increase in the percentage of Republicans calling themselves conservative, now at a record-high 72%.

Conservatism wins. Every time.

kingsjester on May 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

What are the moderates going to do vote for the socialist and higher gas prices?

unseen on May 13, 2011 at 5:53 PM

I didn’t address this.

If the most conservative in the race… as you claim… is going to run. She will need major rebranding.

Because I disagree that the press goes after her because they are afraid of her.

I think they go after her because they know their audience and they know what scares them. They have branded her as very scary and they have labeled that scariness “conservative”.

That is why two people with the exact same stand on issues can get labeled either conservative, or moderate.

Moderate means nice. Not politically moderate.

Conservative is Trump now. No matter his politics.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

And we also know that Palin was a great person, with a nice family, but all that media spin took hold. And they didn’t reject the real Palin, they rejected the one the media made up.

The election was won in the middle.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

This is an example of why your positions are so perplexing. You seem to accept that the media will define a candidate and you aren’t willing to fight them. You seem to be willing to just lie their and take it.

NoNails on May 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

That is moderate. That is what wins elections.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM

WTF?

We have NEVER won an election with a squishy “moderate”

“Moderate” is just a word you call hard core liberals who are too ashamed to admit it.

Man, you re-define ignorance with every new post!

gary4205 on May 13, 2011 at 6:19 PM

There is no way someone who looks like a free sample And who needs to ask his wife for permission to run is gonna win.
Just wait til bHO runs all those ads standing 2 heads taller than him.
It’ll be Wellington vs. Napoleon.

lonestar1 on May 13, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Conservatism wins. Every time.

kingsjester on May 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Yes but your definition of conservative doesn’t include most of those.

It doesn’t include me on most days. Except that my politics are every bit as conservative as yours.

The narrowness of your definition of conservative is the problem.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Sure, once I hide all the guns, hookers, drugs, and Goldwater paraphernalia.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:08 PM

We could overlook all the other things, but Goldwater? Really?

cynccook on May 13, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Le Gag.

steebo77 on May 13, 2011 at 6:17 PM

MadCon and Steve Egg say that she is more liberal than Feingold!..I hope WI GOP can get a good candidate and win this seat!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM

It’s gonna be an anyone-but-Obooba election, so it don’t really matter who endorses who or who the candidate is.

Therefore, we can run the most conservative candidate rather than the most electable candidate.

The audience is the independents – they decide the election. Most of them won’t like Obamas much by 2012, but they might either stay home or reluctantly return to him if the GOP candidate is too scary. I think “electable” is more in our direction than usual, but yes, it does matter who the candidate is.

YehuditTX on May 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM

The narrowness of your definition of conservative is the problem.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:21 PM

I didn’t define Conservatism. Ronald Reagan did.

kingsjester on May 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Sure, once I hide all the guns, hookers, drugs, and Goldwater paraphernalia.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:08 PM

…..hookers? I thought I knew you. ;)

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 6:25 PM

The idea that anyone is going to think Daniels is a weenie if he lets his wife decide if he should run, is ridiculous. Over-deferential? About deciding to put the family through that kind of wringer? Really?

Especially with their previous marital issues, no one (except maybe Ace) is going to be surprised or put-off if Daniels wants to make sure Cherie is willing to go under that microscope.

YehuditTX on May 13, 2011 at 6:26 PM

…..hookers? I thought I knew you. ;)

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Only tranny ones, of course. You know me.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:27 PM

The election was won in the middle.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

You sound an awful lot like AnninCA…

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Yes but your definition of conservative doesn’t include most of those.

It doesn’t include me on most days. Except that my politics are every bit as conservative as yours.

The narrowness of your definition of conservative is the problem.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:21 PM

People have called you a lot of things but I don’t recall a conservative being one of them.

bw222 on May 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 6:25 PM

LOL!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Conservative is Trump now. No matter his politics.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

LOL LOL LOL!!!
Trump isn’t a conservative at all!!!

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:27 PM

ROFL!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:32 PM

MadCon and Steve Egg say that she is more liberal than Feingold!..I hope WI GOP can get a good candidate and win this seat!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM

She is. Feingold at least respected Second Amendment rights, and for all his liberalism, he was a true idealist. Baldwin is nothing but your typical elitist die-hard liberal who doesn’t give a damn about individual rights.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:33 PM

This is an example of why your positions are so perplexing. You seem to accept that the media will define a candidate and you aren’t willing to fight them. You seem to be willing to just lie their and take it.

NoNails on May 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Just because I think Palin was treated badly doesn’t mean I think she should be President.

If she is the nominee I will be behind her but I don’t think the press attacks will stop. And I don’t think she has enough experience or the skill to run the country. And I have honest problems with some of her record. But we aren’t going there. Because that means I hate her guts, I’ve been told.

The press pushes an image of all of them. But she is the only one you care about so you don’t care about the others. So most don’t step up to defend them either, in fact few will even reasearch them, I know because of the things said don’t match the record.

Here I go being a RINO and a squish again but, their politics are all very very similar.

We don’t have any that are pro-choice. We don’t have any that would raise taxes as the first option. They all support the military. They all say they want to cut the debt. They all say they want to repeal and replace Obamacare… so the issues are taken care of.

The question for me is… who can execute the policies. And I think it will take someone who is a longtime policician to do that.

The Presidency is too big to have some one new on the job.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Only tranny ones, of course. You know me.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Whew. Got worried there.

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Stupid Petunia. Same old talking points. Always scared of what the Media will do to you.

There’s this wonderful story from the Civil War. Grant had just taken command of the Army of the Potomac. He walked into a staff meeting that was planning the Overland Campaign against Richmond that would commence in a few weeks, in May of 1864. Most of Grant’s staff officers had served under Meade, Hooker, Burnside, Pope, McClellan, and McDowell. And with the exception of Meade and McClellan, all had been soundly thrashed by Robert E. Lee time and again. They were going on about having to be careful about how skilled a commander Lee was and what he had done to them before, at Chancellorsville or during the Seven Days’ Battles.

Grant, in disgust, stopped the goings on with the following declaration, “It’s Bobby Lee this and Bobby Lee that. I’m tired of hearing what Bobby Lee is going to do to us. I want to hear what we are going to do to him!”

You fail to reckon that the difference between Palin and the rest of the Republican Party’s 2012 field is that she has what Sherman said of Grant, “4 O’Clock in the Morning Courage”.

You think Palin is going to run as Elmer Gantry. So do the Liberals. You also believe that Palin is going to stay within the media definition of her. She won’t.

Palin isn’t stupid. She knows how the Propaganda Ministry has painted her. She’s going to run against type and against Both Party Establishments, the way she did in Alaska in 2006.

If you haven’t reviewed that campaign, you need to. It’s the Rosetta Stone for understanding Palin and how she fights.

She is the most popular Republican in the GOP field right now among Republican voters, which is right where she needs to be at this point in time.

victor82 on May 13, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Conservative is Trump now. No matter his politics.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

LOL LOL LOL!!!
Trump isn’t a conservative at all!!!

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

That is my point. He calls himself a conservative and the media agrees… so the new sterotype of conservative is Trump. Mean bomb throwers.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:37 PM

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Thanks for info!..Let’s hope that The Badger State can defeat her!..I like the GOIP’s chances here!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:38 PM

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 6:33 PM
Thanks for info!..Let’s hope that The Badger State can defeat her!..I like the GOP’s chances here!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Sorry for the typo!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Stupid Petunia. Same old talking points. Always scared of what the Media will do to you.

victor82 on May 13, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Really? That is why I’m stupid huh?

You really convinced me that despite having almost no experience Palin should be the President. Because you called me stupid.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:39 PM

victor82 on May 13, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Splendid, as always.

rrpjr on May 13, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Good to see you!..When are you going to start back writing in the Green Room?..Hope you post there soon!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:41 PM

The election was won in the middle.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:12 PM

You sound an awful lot like AnninCA…

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 6:30 PM

You’ve said that before… I think it was you.

AnninCA was a pro-choice Hillary supporter in 2008 right?

I am defintely not pro-choice. Nor do I like Hillary. I am every bit as conservative in my views as you are. Probably more. You are the knee jerk type that if someone disagrees with you they must be liberal. I don’t know how to think so narrowly.

It is not conservative to be narrow minded and call people names. I don’t understand how this has happened.

I am not impressed with name calling.

It makes no sense at all to think you can win an election without the middle!

That has never been indispute. It isn’t controvesial and it isn’t even opinion. It is common sense.

Look at the numbers, if you only appeal to a few people you can’t win. By definition.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:45 PM

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:41 PM

When my kids stop distracting me and/or I stop being so anal about the quality of what I write. :) Thanks so much for the encouragement, though. I’ll get back to it eventually!

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Everything relies on his performance in the debates. He can’t look like a squish or stumble over his words, if he does then no endorsements or insider backing can save him.

Daemonocracy on May 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM

You really convinced me that despite having almost no experience Palin should be the President. Because you called me stupid.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:39 PM

You might not be stupid, but you’re not very knowledgeable.

Palin has over 20 years of public service. I suggest you do a little reading…

idesign on May 13, 2011 at 6:50 PM

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Good Deal!..Look foward to it!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 6:50 PM

People have called you a lot of things but I don’t recall a conservative being one of them.

bw222 on May 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Again that is my point. I am pro-life, I am for a smaller government. I think marriage needs to be protected. I think religion needs to be a part of our lives and government has no business in it. I am a gun owner. I am a capitalist, capitalism is the best chance for equality mankind will ever have… I want a strong military. What other issues are there? I am a conservative! I have been married once for 30 years now and have a large family of children and grandchildren, none born out of wedlock or even close. I attend church at least once a week… My ancestors fought in the Reveloutionary War and I value the Constitution highly!!!!

I don’t think people come more conservative than I am.

And yet in your view if I dont’ support Palin, I am not a conservative.

Don’t you think there is something wrong with that?

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:54 PM

You might not be stupid, but you’re not very knowledgeable.

Palin has over 20 years of public service. I suggest you do a little reading…

idesign on May 13, 2011 at 6:50 PM

Oh yes I have heard that before… so does the county librarian. Her service isn’t appliciable either.

Is it really just beyond your ability to get that Palin might not be everyone’s cup of tea?

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:56 PM

That is my point. He calls himself a conservative and the media agrees… so the new sterotype of conservative is Trump. Mean bomb throwers.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Nope. Wrong.

And you aren’t conservative. Give it up. You fool know one.

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Where were all you guys this morning when I was being pilloried for pointing out the American public does NOT vote for “little people” for POTUS and it’s an historical fact?

Marcus on May 13, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Oh yes I have heard that before… so does the county librarian. Her service isn’t appliciable either.

Is it really just beyond your ability to get that Palin might not be everyone’s cup of tea?

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:56 PM

There you go again….

Comparing Palin’s history as Mayor, Oil and Gas Commissioner, and Governor to a librarian? Please!!!

You’re dislike of Palin clouds you judgement. Too bad, so sad….

idesign on May 13, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Oh yes I have heard that before… so does the county librarian. Her service isn’t appliciable either.

Is it really just beyond your ability to get that Palin might not be everyone’s cup of tea?

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:56 PM

There you go again….

Comparing Palin’s history as Mayor, Oil and Gas Commissioner, and Governor to a librarian? Please!!!

Your dislike of Palin clouds you judgement. Too bad, so sad….

Fixed…

idesign on May 13, 2011 at 7:07 PM

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:54 PM

So, people who have had children and grandchildren born out of wedlock aren’t conservative? Is that what you are saying?

You think “religion needs to be part of our lives” is conservative? Which religion?

You are more conservative than I am because you attend church at least once a week? Are you really going to go there? Can you truly support your position that church going people who consider themselves Christians are ALL conservative, because I personally know people who consider themselves as Christian and can’t understand how a Christian can possibly be conservative.

And I didn’t call you a name. I said you sound like AnninCA, with all her talk about the ‘middle’. It is what it is and you should accept it.

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM

I know Mitch can’t kick Barack’s butt, but I say it’s even money Cheri can kick Moo-chelle’s.

bw222 on May 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM

So, people who have had children and grandchildren born out of wedlock aren’t conservative? Is that what you are saying?

You think “religion needs to be part of our lives” is conservative? Which religion?

You are more conservative than I am because you attend church at least once a week? Are you really going to go there? Can you truly support your position that church going people who consider themselves Christians are ALL conservative, because I personally know people who consider themselves as Christian and can’t understand how a Christian can possibly be conservative.

And I didn’t call you a name. I said you sound like AnninCA, with all her talk about the ‘middle’. It is what it is and you should accept it.

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM

+1,000

idesign on May 13, 2011 at 7:13 PM

bw222 on May 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM

LOL

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:13 PM

So, people who have had children and grandchildren born out of wedlock aren’t conservative? Is that what you are saying?

You think “religion needs to be part of our lives” is conservative? Which religion?

You are more conservative than I am because you attend church at least once a week? Are you really going to go there? Can you truly support your position that church going people who consider themselves Christians are ALL conservative, because I personally know people who consider themselves as Christian and can’t understand how a Christian can possibly be conservative.

And I didn’t call you a name. I said you sound like AnninCA, with all her talk about the ‘middle’. It is what it is and you should accept it.

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM

*tips hat*

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM

bw222 on May 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Never doubt no one that rides a Harley!..:)

Dire Straits on May 13, 2011 at 7:19 PM

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Thanks, man. With people calling themselves as Christian attacking those who disagree with them on ANYthing, it is no wonder I am doubting…

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:23 PM

…none born out of wedlock or even close…
petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Oops.

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 7:23 PM

+1,000

idesign on May 13, 2011 at 7:13 PM

T’anks! I’s blushing…you and MC both! :)

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM

…none born out of wedlock or even close…
petunia on May 13, 2011 at 6:54 PM

I think your slip is showing.

NoNails on May 13, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Yeah, she went there.

I guess my aunt, conceived outside of marriage, should just be tossed aside. As should her children. And grandchildren. Oh, and the great-grandchildren. Evil, evil people, the lot (nine) of them!

Oh and on the other side of the family, there are at least two.

Oh well. I do so hate to break the news…

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:27 PM

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Well, I appreciate what you said. I was conceived out of wedlock (sorry mom if you’re reading this) and I’m sure you’ve heard about my little one. *sigh* Anyway….a bit of a sore spot. Thank you.

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Oops.

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Yeah, ain’t that cute? The patron saint of attacking HAers for being strict on conservatism in our candidates also seems to consider herself a saint. What a loser. I used to get a little annoyed at the way people piled on her, but now I really don’t give a damn.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Well, I appreciate what you said. I was conceived out of wedlock (sorry mom if you’re reading this) and I’m sure you’ve heard about my little one. *sigh* Anyway….a bit of a sore spot. Thank you.

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Babe, you are FAR more conservative than the first-stone-caster over there. Don’t you ever doubt it.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Thanks, man. With people calling themselves as Christian attacking those who disagree with them on ANYthing, it is no wonder I am doubting…

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Just remember that it’s those kind of elitists that give Christianity the bad name that some sling around. Repudiation goes a long way.

MadisonConservative on May 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM

pseudoforce on May 13, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Because Daniels is short, right? Ventriloquist, that’s funny.

MJBrutus on May 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Yeah, I can imagine the skits. You think it’s unfair or something?

pseudoforce on May 13, 2011 at 7:47 PM

the wedlock thing is a nod to abstinence education… not judgment of your personal lives…

But I don’t know why I bother with you at all.

You are not conservatives you are groupies. That is why no one seems conservative to you. You are groupies.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 7:33 PM

You, and your mother, as well as your children must be tossed aside. I am so sorry.

/

Jeebus. What a fool is HA’s petunia.

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Oops.

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 7:23 PM

And who really cares? My aunt is alive and I have awesome cousins that I consider my brother and sister. My aunt is another mother. The grandkids and greatgrandkids, I consider as brothers and sisters.

petunia is an idiot, obviously…

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Well, I appreciate what you said. I was conceived out of wedlock (sorry mom if you’re reading this) and I’m sure you’ve heard about my little one. *sigh* Anyway….a bit of a sore spot. Thank you.

Bee on May 13, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Actually. You are right. I apologize. As I mentioned above, I meant it as a nod to the abstinence education, that it does work… not as a judgement on anyone’s life.

I’m sorry if I sounded judgemental… although you are judging me pretty regularly…

but your personal lives are your business not mine. Again that was out of line. Sorry, I didn’t think of judging you or I would have noticed.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM

But I don’t know why I bother with you at all.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Please, go away and don’t return.

Seriously, I can disagree with MadCon (and we do disagree a lot of the time, guns excepted), but we recognize a poser when we see one.

Skit!

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:57 PM

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Nice try at a walk back, petunia.

The thing is, Conservatives don’t permit walk backs…

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Please, go away and don’t return.

Seriously, I can disagree with MadCon (and we do disagree a lot of the time, guns excepted), but we recognize a poser when we see one.

Skit!

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Oh shoot now I have to stay don’t I?

What did you think? You can call me all kinds of names and question everything and I just sit and take it?

I thought you like women who fight back.

I refuse to allow you to define conservatism down to your level!

Conservatism can be intelligent it doesn’t have to be like you.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Nice try at a walk back, petunia.

The thing is, Conservatives don’t permit walk backs…

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Then they are not conservatives.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Then they are not conservatives.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Neither are you.

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 8:03 PM

Then they are not conservatives.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Neither are you.

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 8:03 PM

You do know you just admitted you aren’t a conservative right????

Okay I have to go to my real life now…

Honestly I don’t understand why you all get so upset! And why you do all the name calling and stuff I just really can’t understand adults who act this way. I do not know any adults in real life who would act like that.

But I do feel bad I didn’t notice how judgmental the abstinence thing sounded… so once again I’m sorry it didn’t come off the way I meant at all.

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 8:06 PM

You do know you just admitted you aren’t a conservative right????

Okay I have to go to my real life now…

petunia on May 13, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Nice try, petunia. The thing is, people here know me as a conservative. You can’t prove the same thing.

Sorry, you lose…

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 8:11 PM

Nice try at a walk back, petunia.

The thing is, Conservatives don’t permit walk backs…

ladyingray on May 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM

But it was nice of her to apologize, lady, when she realized that she had offended Bee. Babies are always a miracle, and God decides when to send them. To be truly Conservative and pro-life, you have to be pro-baby. Always.

cynccook on May 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM

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