Romney’s speech on RomneyCare: I’m not sorry

posted at 4:21 pm on May 12, 2011 by Allahpundit

The moment of truth has come and gone but the horrified real-time reaction in the conservative twittersphere echoes on. These nuggets from Philip Klein, Jonah Goldberg, and Mollie Hemingway will give you a taste; liberal Ezra Klein came closest to capturing the spirit of the thing while our old pal KP wondered whether Mitt’s ever actually met a Republican primary voter. I’m not surprised that he doubled down, though. Read this post from two days ago about the particular pitfall to Romney in apologizing. Pawlenty can afford to eat crow and say he’s sorry about cap and trade because his conservative record is otherwise solid; not so for Romney, who’ll forever be haunted by the seeming opportunism of his reversal on abortion before the last campaign and his transformation from social-con warrior to an economy-minded technocrat before this one. He won’t be able to hide from RomneyCare even if he begs for forgiveness, so why bother? Better to stand firm and at least try to undo the perception that he’ll say anything to get elected. Chris Cillizza:

Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney used a speech on health care today in Michigan to send a broader message about his commitment to authenticity in the 2012 presidential race…

But, it wasn’t just the words Romney used that aimed to push the authenticity narrative.

He spoke without a prepared script and without a TelePrompter, choosing instead to use a PowerPoint presentation to make his case. He wore no tie. He was accompanied to the speech by just three staffers.

The entire presentation screamed openness, pushing the idea that Romney is someone willing to be transparent about what he believes and why he believes it.

No one would have believed him had he apologized so there was no sense in doing it. On the contrary, if I were advising him, I’d tell him to go on the attack and make his opponents be as specific as possible in what they’d do differently. The more he can discredit their plans as unworkable, the more he can reframe RomneyCare as the best choice from a very bad set of health-care policy options. In fact, if he’s feeling extra cheeky, he could use the public’s ruinous love affair with Medicare to his advantage. Under RomneyCare, the state forces you to buy a product from a third party; under Medicare, the state forces you to buy the same product from the state. It simply calls it a tax instead of a mandate, and instead of granting you coverage immediately, it shafts you until you’re 65. Do Pawlenty, Gingrich, et al. also oppose the “mandated” premiums known as FICA? I’m not sure Romney wants to go the Mediscare route since it’ll make fiscal cons even angrier at him than they are now, but if he gets desperate enough, look out. Click the image to watch.


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My view of Romney is similar to my view of Obama.

FloatingRock on May 12, 2011 at 4:23 PM

He’s screwed either way on this one. Doesn’t matter though…I’m still not voting for him.

keepinitreal on May 12, 2011 at 4:26 PM

There goes Mittens!

SPLAT!

ebrown2 on May 12, 2011 at 4:26 PM

He spoke without a prepared script and without a TelePrompter, choosing instead to use a PowerPoint presentation to make his case. He wore no tie. He was accompanied to the speech by just three staffers.

..well, then there’s that, you betcha.

The War Planner on May 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Oh the Humanity!!!

Romney goes down in Hindenberg style flame out.

portlandon on May 12, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Pooch, screwable.

Bruno Strozek on May 12, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Romney is worse than Obama, because he is a Statist Democrat in RINO’s clothing.

CatoRenasci on May 12, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Wow. He didn’t wear a tie. How…common man…of him.

kingsjester on May 12, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Like watching political suicide…

Caper29 on May 12, 2011 at 4:29 PM

It’s like a shooting gallery lately. Trump goes down *Ka-PLINK*, then Ron Paul(like he ever had a chance) *Ka-PLINK*, now Romney *Ka-PLINK*.

I’m guessing Daniels makes a real bonehead remark in the next few weeks.

MadisonConservative on May 12, 2011 at 4:29 PM

In a month’s time Mitt will not be leading another GOP primary poll (unless, of course, the poll is pure propaganda).

steebo77 on May 12, 2011 at 4:30 PM

OUCH!!

canopfor on May 12, 2011 at 4:30 PM

If Mitt loses Jennifer Ruben, he’s got no chance:

Posted at 03:29 PM ET, 05/12/2011
Romney’s speech: He digs deeper
By Jennifer Rubin

This morning the Wall Street Journal editorial board accused Mitt Romney of being a technocrat and not a conservative. In his speech in Ann Arbor, Mich., today, Romney proved the editorial board correct. You could tell it wasn’t going to be a good outing when it became clear that a tiny room of about 100 invited guests was the setting. Message: Only handpicked friends could be counted on not to boo or laugh.

OUCH.

portlandon on May 12, 2011 at 4:31 PM

kingsjester: I’ve heard that among ‘professional businessman’,the jacket-with-no-tie is very common. It’s like an executive’s ‘business casual’.

So it is, actually, a ‘common man’ approach… with a very specific audience.

But yeah, that door is hitting a lot of these ‘hopefuls’ as they leave…

Scott H on May 12, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Romney is worse than Obama, because he is a Statist Democrat in RINO’s clothing.

CatoRenasci on May 12, 2011 at 4:28 PM

I’ve been saying this for months, but no one has been listening.

What we just saw was the complete destruction of his Presidential campaign, on live TV.

Chris of Rights on May 12, 2011 at 4:31 PM

You know who this helps…

(Unfortunately for Hugh Hewitt, it’s not Mitt, and unfortunately for the rest of us who didn’t nominate Mitt as the 2012 Republican nominee 3 years ago, it’s not the rest of the Republican field.)

Steve Eggleston on May 12, 2011 at 4:31 PM

He could say something like, it sounded good on paper, but once implemented it proved to be a miserable failure and I’m very sorry. His point is that the “wrong person” is running it. If only the right regulators were running our lives everything would be fine. NO to Romney.

kringeesmom on May 12, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Under RomneyCare, the state forces you to buy a product from a third party

Allah,

care to explain how that is not indentured servitude? The state is forcing you to work to enrich another.

unseen on May 12, 2011 at 4:33 PM

I’m not sure Romney wants to go the Mediscare route since it’ll make fiscal cons even angrier at him than they are now, but if he gets desperate enough, look out.

Look out Obama, that is. Romney might go against him in a Dem primary.

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Scott H on May 12, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Yep. He was going for a “reassuring” look. Then he doubled down on “oblivious”.

kingsjester on May 12, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Ya know,Romney had plenty of time,and numerous
opportunities to put this to bed,but,I guess,
through his pride or stubbordness,he wants to
sink his own ship!!

canopfor on May 12, 2011 at 4:33 PM

@JonahNRO
Jonah Goldberg
Gosh, I hope he doesn’t end this by taking out a can of gasoline and then pours it over his head.

unseen on May 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Ever see a bug JUST before it hits your windshield as you’re booking along at 70 mph?

Mittens.

44Magnum on May 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM

He’s probably still the strongest general election candidate, but his path to the nomination is, shall we say … fraught.

YYZ on May 12, 2011 at 4:35 PM

I’ve been saying this for months, but no one has been listening.

What we just saw was the complete destruction of his Presidential campaign, on live TV.

Chris of Rights on May 12, 2011 at 4:31 PM

I would crawl over broken class to NOT vote for Mitt.

unseen on May 12, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Don’t underestimate Romney and the gullibility of GOP primary voters, though. Remember “McAmnesty” and McCain-Feingold, and look who won the nomination in 2008.

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:36 PM

He won’t be able to hide from RomneyCare even if he begs for forgiveness, so why bother?

He could’ve offered a mea culpa a year ago. He’s had many chances to escape the spectre of Romneycare. But every step of the way, he’s done the exact opposite of what he should’ve. When Obamacare was rammed down our throats with its most unpopular and contentious elements being the individual mandate(something so unpopular even Obama himself was opposed to it in 2008), Mittens chose to defend his own plan and its individual mandate. When it became clear that the MassachusettEs health care system was being destroyed by Romneycare, he refused to criticize any aspect of the plan itself, instead blaming the legislature on how it was implemented(shades of Obama and how he always passes the buck). And now with Obamacare still unpopular and requiring thousands of waivers so millions don’t lose their health coverage, Romneycare as ineffective as ever, and Democrats repeated touting in public how the MassachusettEs plan is the inspiration for Obama’s, he still today refuses to admit he f’ed up big-time and beg forgiveness.

I can conclude only one of two things about Mitt Romney. He really does believe in the individual mandate and the government running at least part of the health care system. Or he now knows it was a terrible idea, but he’s too damn stubborn and arrogant to admit he was wrong. In other words, two of the most annoying characteristics of our current Commander-In-Chief. We don’t need anyone like that as our nominee much less the President.

Doughboy on May 12, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Ever see a bug JUST before it hits your windshield as you’re booking along at 70 mph?

Mittens.

44Magnum on May 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM

lol…..somedays you are the windshield and somedays you are the bug. Today Mitt was the bug.

unseen on May 12, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Like watching political suicide…

Caper29 on May 12, 2011 at 4:29 PM

More like death struggle.

the_nile on May 12, 2011 at 4:37 PM

If only Mitt Romney had spoken French, his die hard fans might still defend him:

Mitt is very handsome, intelligent, attractive man. He looks like Matthew Fox’s, from Lost, distinguished, older brother. Plus it’s kinda sexy that he can speak French…..ooh la la!

sheryl on January 16, 2008 at 11:06 PM

You know I’ve changed my mind. Mitt Romney looks more like Don Draper from Mad Men or Don Draper’s “non-drinking, non- smoking, faithful to his wife” older brother.

And if you’ve never had a man speak French to you, don’t knock it until then….it’s is very sexy….and I don’t really care if that makes me a RINO to HA.

sheryl on May 10, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Merde.

portlandon on May 12, 2011 at 4:37 PM

YYZ: If Romney is the strongest general election candidate against Obama, then we are screwed. Your statement is tantamount to saying that no candidate that can survive the Republican primary will win the general.

In which case, just bend over now.

Scott H on May 12, 2011 at 4:37 PM

I can’t wait to hear the Romneybots’ spin on this.

kingsjester on May 12, 2011 at 4:38 PM

What we just saw was the complete destruction of his Presidential campaign, on live TV.

Chris of Rights on May 12, 2011 at 4:31 PM

It’s been necrotic for awhile.

Howie Carr hit it best, I thought. Even worse than making mistake, Romney was played by democrat opportunists. Truth is, like every Rino dupe, Romney was always playing for liberal validation and approbation. Buh bye.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1321340

rrpjr on May 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

It’s like a shooting gallery lately. Trump goes down *Ka-PLINK*, then Ron Paul(like he ever had a chance) *Ka-PLINK*, now Romney *Ka-PLINK*.

I’m guessing Daniels makes a real bonehead remark in the next few weeks.

MadisonConservative on May 12, 2011 at 4:29 PM

MadisonConservative:Amen,the Political *DOA* Train!:)

canopfor on May 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

He’s probably still the strongest general election candidate,

YYZ on May 12, 2011 at 4:35 PM

I don’t think so. I thought I’d never say this, but I think Pawlenty would have a better shot in the general election.

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

Who is that guy?

jake-the-goose on May 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

He didn’t wear a tie? Only three staffers? Dude!!!

Vince on May 12, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Wow. He didn’t wear a tie. How…common man…of him.

kingsjester on May 12, 2011 at 4:29 PM

He’s not wearing a tie, because he’s already got a noose around his neck–ROMNEYCARE!

Mitt, there’s a tag on your toe. READ IT! Go away and get a job posing for durable medical equipment ads in AARP. You can never win the primary.

Western_Civ on May 12, 2011 at 4:40 PM

jake-the-goose on May 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

Lyle Waggoner.

kingsjester on May 12, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Some days you’re the Fastball. Some days you’re the Mitt.

Guess which Romney was. :)

Scott H on May 12, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Dead man walking. Politically speaking, of course. He just doesn’t know it yet.

I’m now lumping him with Trump and Snooki. If any of the three becomes the nominee, I’ll stay home on election day.

Splashman on May 12, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Well,who next on the batting deck!(sarc).

canopfor on May 12, 2011 at 4:41 PM

He wore no tie.

Earthtones, too? Was Naomi Wolfe anywhere in sight?

rrpjr on May 12, 2011 at 4:42 PM

I don’t think so. I thought I’d never say this, but I think Pawlenty would have a better shot in the general election.

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

Agreed. I’ve actually been arguing for a while that Romney is one of the worst candidates we could field. He’d struggle in the South(although Obama is so unpopular that it might not matter). He’d get destroyed on the left coast. And he’s far less popular than the elites would like you to believe up north. I think he would win New Hampshire, but the rest would probably remain in Obama’s column.

Doughboy on May 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

canopfor on May 12, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Those who want to protect the status quo will double down on the maufactured push of Mitch Daniels.

kingsjester on May 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

canopfor: Daniels, I think.

Actually, I hope, but there ya go. ;)

Y’know, it’ll be nice if Pawlenty is the ‘electable’ candidate in this primary.

Scott H on May 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM

OT: Oh my. Gates gives O a bee jay on 60 Minutes. “The most courageous thing he has ever seen a president do.” Bull. He’s officially a kool-aid addict.

andy85719 on May 12, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Who is that guy?

jake-the-goose on May 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

They say he drives a pickup truck.

the_nile on May 12, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Mitt needs to read and understand the 13th amendment:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[2]

Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person’s will to benefit another, under some form of coercion other than the worker’s financial needs. While laboring to benefit another occurs also in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.

INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE & PEONAGE
A condition of compulsory service or labor performed by one person, against his will, for the benefit of another person due to force, threats, intimidation or other similar means of coercion and compulsion directed against him.

In considering whether service or labor was performed by someone against his will or involuntarily, it makes no difference that the person may have initially agreed, voluntarily, to render the service or perform the work. If a person willingly begins work but later desires to withdraw and is then forced to remain and perform work against his will, his service becomes involuntary. Also, whether a person is paid a salary or a wage is not determinative of the question as to whether that person has been held in involuntary servitude. In other words, if a person is forced to labor against his will, his service is involuntary even though he is paid for his work.

Why people are not fighting Obamacare and romneycare on 13th amendment grounds is beyond me. The gov is forcing us to work against our will to benefit another.

unseen on May 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Some days you’re the Fastball. Some days you’re the Mitt.

Guess which Romney was. :)

Scott H on May 12, 2011 at 4:41 PM

The grooved fastball to be crushed between March 2012 and November 2012?

Steve Eggleston on May 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM

The fact is, most on Hotair have made up their minds. They hate/love Romney no matter what he says. So to the haters- screw you. Just stay home and bitch. The fact is, Romneyis probably going to be the nominee. Would I prefer Ryan or Christie? Absolutely. BUT THEY”RE NOT RUNNING. This is how you know how unserious the haters are- “if only my dream boy would run! He’d fix everything!” But they’re not even gonna give you the time of day, let alone ask you to the prom. But most of these haters are just wankers- I’ll bet they’ve never even donated to anyones campaign

drballard on May 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM

What is it with all these politicians thinking that if they don’t wear a tie and roll up their sleeves and take off their jacket that somehow we won’t pay attention to the bullshit they spew to us.

search4truth on May 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Romney’s speech on RomneyCare: I have no itnetion of winning the nomination.

mankai on May 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Don’t underestimate Romney and the gullibility of GOP primary voters, though. Remember “McAmnesty” and McCain-Feingold, and look who won the nomination in 2008.

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:36 PM

We are so screwed…. third party is looking better and better

davek70 on May 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM

I’m now lumping him with Trump and Snooki. If any of the three becomes the nominee, I’ll stay home on election day.

Splashman on May 12, 2011 at 4:41 PM

By “Snooki”, I guess you meant the one who’s been making the most coherent policy statements lately. No wonder the GOP is the Stupid Party ™ .

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Alas poor Mitt, for we knew him too well ……

Jerome Horwitz on May 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

What is it with all these politicians thinking that if they don’t wear a tie and roll up their sleeves and take off their jacket that somehow we won’t pay attention to the bullshit they spew to us.

search4truth on May 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Mitt’s trips to the bathroom are calculated and choreographed.

He has a very low opinion of the rabble below him.

mankai on May 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Romney’s speech on RomneyCare: I have no itnetion of winning the nomination.

mankai on May 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM

You can almost see the flop sweat. “Don’t bail out on me for Mitch, my establishment friends! Please like this speech please please please…”

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

I don’t think so. I thought I’d never say this, but I think Pawlenty would have a better shot in the general election.

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

Agreed. RomneyCare is a noose around his neck, and now that he’s doubled down, there’s no way out of it.

Honest question for y’all: What’s Pawlenty’s biggest gotcha? Is it merely his bland, Minnesota-nice image? Or is there some big policy issue, a la RomneyCare, which he can be crucified upon in the general election?

Splashman on May 12, 2011 at 4:49 PM

In the words of Don Meredith, “Turn out the Lights, the party’s over” for Mitt

ConservativePartyNow on May 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM

He has a very low opinion of the rabble below him.

mankai on May 12, 2011 at 4:48 PM

True across the board.

rrpjr on May 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM

What is it with all these politicians thinking that if they don’t wear a tie and roll up their sleeves and take off their jacket that somehow we won’t pay attention to the bullshit they spew to us.

search4truth on May 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Mittens is just showing how micro-managed his campaign is. His handlers see that he doesn’t connect with Americans, so he starts driving a pickup truck and ditches the tie and that’s supposed to magically erase his record and past statements.

It’s the same problem I have with Pawlenty. His debate performance last week was ok, but you can tell he’s being fed lines from advisers like when he constantly referencing his blue collar upbringing.

Doughboy on May 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Philip Klein said it best in the tweet AP linked to above:

Romney making passionate case for why it’s okay to violate personal freedom at state level

Klein has posted many, many times on the failures and foibles of RomneyCare.

INC on May 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Based on how conservatives have run on not cutting medicare, Romney is actually making a strong play here.

Vashta.Nerada on May 12, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Well, this is one way to make Huntsmann look like a better candidate. Doesn’t mean he’s getting my vote.

mizflame98 on May 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Cavuto’s talking to some guy who says that MIttens was right in doubling down. Weill, after all, he likes Mandates.

kingsjester on May 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Jonah Goldberg

Gosh, I hope he doesn’t end this by taking out a can of gasoline and then pours it over his head.

INC on May 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Honest question for y’all: What’s Pawlenty’s biggest gotcha? Is it merely his bland, Minnesota-nice image? Or is there some big policy issue, a la RomneyCare, which he can be crucified upon in the general election?

Splashman on May 12, 2011 at 4:49 PM

So far I see his $4billion in the red budget

his support for cap and trade

his support for taxing by the mile

his interest free sharia friendly loan program.

unseen on May 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Our Presidential choices right now remind me of a bad drawing on an Etch-A-Sketch. All I want to do is shake it up and start over with a blank slate.

Mittens…Newt…Crazy Grandpa Ron Paul…The Donald…et al.

search4truth on May 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Mollie Hemingway

I think Romney took the WSJ suggestion to run as Obama’s mate a BIT too seriously.

INC on May 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Honest question for y’all: What’s Pawlenty’s biggest gotcha? Is it merely his bland, Minnesota-nice image? Or is there some big policy issue, a la RomneyCare, which he can be crucified upon in the general election?

Besides Cap and Tax.. I guess he doesn’t have a glaring one like RomneyCare.. however, I cannot see anyone in the base being inspired by him. Against O and his machine, he’ll be crushed. The GOP has to have a massive turnout of the base to have a chance. Pawlenty just won’t do that…

davek70 on May 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Honest question for y’all: What’s Pawlenty’s biggest gotcha? Is it merely his bland, Minnesota-nice image? Or is there some big policy issue, a la RomneyCare, which he can be crucified upon in the general election?

Splashman on May 12, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Terminally bland, like Daniels.

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:53 PM

There goes Mittens!

SPLAT!

ebrown2 on May 12, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Thanks for the chuckle today.

Hey Madison, at the rate Daniels makes boneheaded remarks, we won’t have to wait a few weeks, he probably will do that before the weekened is over.

A little bit off topic, but germaine to the elections in general. My affluent, lib sister who is rabidly pro-abortion even though she probably would never had gotten one herself, just had a discussion with me regarding the public unions nonsense in Wisconsin. She is LIVID that these spoiled, whiney, overpaid public union bureaucrats are whining and throwing a temper tantrum over being expected to contribute to their health care premiums and their retirement plans. AND she is dead set against the unions being allowed to give donations to politicians because she believes the politicians then work against the interests of the taxpayers who hire them to serve us.

WOW, I am FLABBERGASTED. Our mother is a retired school teacher and of course we are very pleased she has a cadillac retirement and insurance program because she is old enough that when she was working, she was paid far less than private employees. My sister stated today that the opposite is in effect now, the public servants are paid more than the private sector and she thinks that not only do they need to put the pay inline with the private sector, but the public employees need to also pay for their retirement and health care, just like private employees.

I reminded her that our new republican governor is trying to implement that here in Michigan, just like in Wisconsin and she is all for it (of course she didn’t vote for him). AND she also stated she agreed with what Indiana is doing regarding school vouchers.

I think the fat lady has just sung.

Think about this regarding 2012. If my rabid lib sister is of this mindset for 2012, think about the less rabid lib voters who are private sector employees or laid off workers. My sister will still vote for Obama because for some reason abortion is her primary issue, but I believe if she is of this mindset about the whole public union thing, this bodes for an interesting impact on the potential voters overall in 2012.

She even said that 50% is the most that affluent people like her should be taxed all inclusive, state and local and federal. I reminded her that she is considered “rich” by the dems in Congress even though she is no where near $1 million in salary per year, and that she is a target for their taxes. I also reminded her that she unfairly loses her standard deduction and personal deductions because of her income level and she finally agreed that it wasn’t fair that those deductions are not allowed for ALL taxpayers.

She had no idea that the top 10% of the taxpayers pay 70% of the federal income tax load. And she didn’t know that 52% of the people pay NO income tax. I told her we have never had a more progressive income tax than we do right now. She finally understands that she has been a casualty of the democratic playbook of class warfare. I gave her a lot to think about when she left today.

Pigs are flying everywhere here in western michigan.

karenhasfreedom on May 12, 2011 at 4:53 PM

It’s the same problem I have with Pawlenty. His debate performance last week was ok, but you can tell he’s being fed lines from advisers like when he constantly referencing his blue collar upbringing.

Doughboy on May 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM

poll tested candidates vs real candidates. 2012 will see which ones win.

unseen on May 12, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Against O and his machine, he’ll be crushed. The GOP has to have a massive turnout of the base to have a chance. Pawlenty just won’t do that…

davek70 on May 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Yep.

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Based on how conservatives have run on not cutting medicare, Romney is actually making a strong play here.

Vashta.Nerada on May 12, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Yes. A strong, cynical play.

Barf.

Splashman on May 12, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Your GOP nominee for 2012.

I’ll be writing-in my dog.

Bishop on May 12, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Jonah Goldberg

Gosh, I hope he doesn’t end this by taking out a can of gasoline and then pours it over his head.

INC on May 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

ROFL…

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Romney already had the large burden of running as a Mormon ( not for me but that doesn’t matter). Now he reminds primary voters that he does not have the disposition to admit a big mistake.
The one thing that has to happen at worse is that we run a candidate against Obama that has little negatives or who can admit his or her mistakes.
It’s also why if I was betting man, I would chunk it on Pawlenty.

jjshaka on May 12, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Honest question for y’all: What’s Pawlenty’s biggest gotcha? Is it merely his bland, Minnesota-nice image? Or is there some big policy issue, a la RomneyCare, which he can be crucified upon in the general election?

Splashman on May 12, 2011 at 4:49 PM

The crap-and-betrayed issue has been a sore point for a lot of conservatives. He did admit he was wrong to support it in the past, so that helps. And rest assured, crap-and-betrayed is a non-starter in 2013 if the GOP controls the White House and Congress, so I’m not really sweating it.

The real problem with T-Paw is that he’s so freaking bland. He comes off as generic and poll-driven with a lot of the stuff he says, and I’m deathly afraid of his “nice guy” routine. That’s a surefire loser in the general election against Chicago thugs like Obama and Axelrod.

And a new problem could be one that Chris Wallace brought up last week at the debate. Apparently T-Paw’s fiscal record isn’t so rosy. If it’s true that he did in fact leave his state with a $6 billion deficit thanks to shady accounting and budgeting tricks, then the Democrats and media(I know, I’m being redundant) will bring that up 24/7 if he’s the nominee. No, it doesn’t erase the horrific deficits Obama’s run up as President, but it might negate that issue for the GOP in the general election.

Doughboy on May 12, 2011 at 4:56 PM

I don’t think so. I thought I’d never say this, but I think Pawlenty would have a better shot in the general election.

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM

As Breitbart often says, “politics is downstream from culture,” and none of these stiffs understand the culture. Thus Pawlenty’s strange Bruckheimer videos and Romney’s tie-less BS. They’re anachronisms, and their potential is fatally capped.

rrpjr on May 12, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Would never vote for Romney in a primary. Sadly, if he were the Republican nominee, I would hold my nose and vote for him against Obama (like I did with McCain). Herman Cain needs to come to the front of the line. He’s got more smarts than all of the career politicians in the GOP field put together.

College Prof on May 12, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Your GOP nominee for 2012.

I’ll be writing-in my dog.

Bishop on May 12, 2011 at 4:55 PM

That’s why the “GOP insiders” are so desperately shaking Daniels in front of our faces.

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:57 PM

I don’t get it…he showed what was wrong with MA healthcare. He showed why Obamacare sucks and he showed how he will block it and rid us of it from day 1…what more could he say?

To compare Mitt to Obama is so incredibly disingenuous. It is a thoughtless narrative that is being parroted by the unserious. He has proven in both his books and his career that he understands and has relied on market forces to better himself and those who have worked with him. Obama hasn’t even earned a job position in his life…it’s all been handed to him.

I put Mitt’s life successes up against the accomplishments of Palin, Pawlenty, Huckabee combined and I see those three wholly lacking.

Get serious

jawbone on May 12, 2011 at 4:57 PM

NRO & Weekly Standard must be a very sad place to work today.

Imagine the sadness.

portlandon on May 12, 2011 at 4:58 PM

You know if Mitt was smart he would have used Romneycare as a way to pivot and becoem a firebreathing conservative by saying that the dems lied to him, and destoryed what was created and thus can never be trusted again and must be defeated at the ballot box…..

unseen on May 12, 2011 at 4:58 PM

NRO & Weekly Standard must be a very sad place to work today.

Imagine the sadness.

portlandon on May 12, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Well they still got Mitch! ROFl…..

unseen on May 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM

I put Mitt’s life successes up against the accomplishments of Palin, Pawlenty, Huckabee combined and I see those three wholly lacking.

Get serious

jawbone on May 12, 2011 at 4:57 PM

To paraphrase the WSJ editorial blasting Romney, Romney’s relying on “expertise”, not a bedrock of values. I don’t care what his “life successes” are. Warren Buffett’s been pretty successful too.

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Based on how conservatives have run on not cutting medicare, Romney is actually making a strong play here.

Vashta.Nerada on May 12, 2011 at 4:51 PM

My thoughts exactly.

How that promise equates as more fiscally conservative than RomneyCare is beyond me.

Apples and Oranges.

The Ugly American on May 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Romneyon

I didn’t watch it all … I skipped through it.

In the last ten minutes Mitt explains what is wrong with our system more clearly than I have heard before.

I’m hearing sound bites… they aren’t capturing the speech at all. All the talk is about Romneycare… but the important stuff is the new stuff.

I would like to see Romney’s new plan scored as to cost to the tax payer. And the projections about how it will bring costs down.

Even if we don’t elect Mitt, I think he has some good ideas as to what could come next after Obamacare.

Mitt is good on how the free market works and why it has broken down in the case of healthcare.

Boiled down Obamacare is basically trying to control cost with price controls and one size fits all insurance.

This new plan of Mitt’s seems to be about making people aware of what things cost… with healthsavings accounts…I have had one and you do ask what things cost and if that lab test result will change what they do about the problem. If the test is going to take $100 out of my pocket and I get the exact pill whether they give the test or not, no thanks on the extra bill please!

So aside from Mitt as a candidate… and aside from Romneycare, Mitt does have a better plan than Obamacare. Or he seems to. I’d like to see someone truly unbiased give an opinion.

So there you are.

petunia on May 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM

I put Mitt’s life successes up against the accomplishments of Palin, Pawlenty, Huckabee combined and I see those three wholly lacking.
jawbone on May 12, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Well, good luck with that.

rrpjr on May 12, 2011 at 5:01 PM

So aside from Mitt as a candidate… and aside from Romneycare, Mitt does have a better plan than Obamacare.

petunia on May 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Setting the bar pretty low there, aren’t you?

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 5:01 PM

jawbone: I put Mitt’s life successes up for independent analysis, and I find that he does not come back as ‘conservative’.

That right there means he shouldn’t get the nomination of the party that is supposedly conservative in values.

Scott H on May 12, 2011 at 5:04 PM

I think Romney took the WSJ suggestion to run as Obama’s mate a BIT too seriously.

INC on May 12, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Heh. Awesome!

Splashman on May 12, 2011 at 5:04 PM


Mitt Romney’s Illogical, Terrible Health-Care Address

Mitt Romney just gave a more articulate defense of Obamacare than President Obama ever has. He continues to believe that the individual mandate is a good idea, despite the fact that the “free-rider” problem is a myth. His effort to make a distinction between Romneycare and Obamacare was not persuasive: If anything, he convincingly made the opposite case, that Romneycare and Obamacare are based on the same fundamental concept.

In recent months, Romney has claimed that Romneycare was a specific solution for the specific needs of Massachusetts. But in his remarks, he did not name one specific aspect of the Massachusetts health-care environment that is unique to that state. If there are no important differences between the Massachusetts health-care system and that of other states, why shouldn’t he believe that Romneycare should be the model for every other state?

Indeed, here is what Romney wrote in the Wall Street Journal on April 11, 2006, the day before he signed his signature health-care legislation:

How much of our health-care plan applies to other states? A lot. Instead of thinking that the best way to cover the uninsured is by expanding Medicaid, they can instead reform insurance

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unseen on May 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Setting the bar pretty low there, aren’t you?

pseudoforce on May 12, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Oh, c’mon. Take it easy. Aside from the horrible, destructive health care plan he signed into law as governor, he’s got some great ideas.

/sarc

Doughboy on May 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM

I can’t vote for someone who thinks mandates are the answer. Romney had a chance to get my vote by saying “you know what? It turned out badly. It was a mistake.” He didn’t say that. “It wouldn’t be honest.” So you know what? I couldn’t say I would vote for Romney. It wouldn’t be honest.

alwaysfiredup on May 12, 2011 at 5:06 PM

“I greatly respect both Governor Romney and admire many of his personal and professional accomplishments, but his work to institute the precursor to national socialized medicine is not one of them,” Santorum said in a statement. “This not a failure of execution, but a lack of foresight on Governor Romney’s part to understand the implications of his policy proposals. We need leaders who believe in the American people again, not the power of government to solve our problems. Yes, the Governor had the right to implement Romney-Obamacare at the state-level, but that does not make it the right thing to do.”

Rick Santorum

unseen on May 12, 2011 at 5:08 PM

jawbone on May 12, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Yeah, he did good.

I am now wanting to hear more about his new plan. And I care a whole lot less about Romneycare than before.

But most people won’t listen. This is too long and technical.

I don’t think it will move his poll numbers. But I really did forget why he had to give the speech and started considering his new plan.

I hope some of the movers and shakers whose opinions do move polls, take a look. Like Rush. Or Sean.

My first impression could be wrong. But this didn’t hurt him.

But who in the world will hear it? C-span on a Thursday? How does this information get to anyone besides us?

petunia on May 12, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Obama would LOVE to run against Romney. Because ObamaCare would be completely off the table as an attack point. Conservative talking heads would have to defend Romney and would therefore be defending Obamacare at the same time.

portlandon on May 12, 2011 at 5:09 PM

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