Did the White House watch the Bin Laden raid live via the SEALs’ helmet cams?
posted at 8:34 pm on May 12, 2011 by Allahpundit
I don’t know the answer to this question and neither does anyone else outside the White House, but I’m offering it in hopes that someone might have a more educated guess than mine. In light of the news tonight that the SEALs did, in fact, capture the raid on helmet cams, Drudge is highlighting the fact that Panetta said last week there was a “25-minute blackout” where the White House didn’t know what was going on. Evidence of something shady happening with the video? From what I can tell: Nope. Here’s the quote via the week-old Telegraph piece that Drudge is linking:
In an interview with PBS, Mr Panetta said: “Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn’t know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.
“We had some observation of the approach there, but we did not have direct flow of information as to the actual conduct of the operation itself as they were going through the compound.”
Unless I missed a quote from another interview, Panetta never used the term “blackout.” That’s the Telegraph’s characterization of his comments. All he really said is that the White House didn’t know what was happening while the SEALs were inside the building. How is that possible if they were watching a live video feed? Because: The feed they were watching, I think, wasn’t from a helmet cam but from a UAV overhead. It might have been a Predator or, per Defense Tech’s speculation, it might have been a RQ-170 Sentinel, but something was up there transmitting as the SEALs approached the compound. If my hunch is right, the White House would have seen their chopper land in the yard and the exchange of fire with Bin Laden’s courier outside the guest house. But once the SEALs were inside, there would have been nothing to see until they reemerged, hopefully carrying Bin Laden’s body with them. That’s the “blackout,” I take it, not any technical malfunction.
Incidentally, I’ve always assumed that Hillary’s horrified look in the now famous “Situation Room” photo was her reacting to the SEALs’ chopper landing. It wasn’t supposed to do that, remember; they were supposed to rappel down, but the helicopter couldn’t stay aloft because the walls of the compound were too high to keep enough air circulating below. The White House’s great fear was that they’d end up with a “Black Hawk Down” scenario involving the SEALs being stranded and facing off against Pakistani troops — and now here it was unfolding before them. I have no proof of that, obviously, and Hillary herself has said she doesn’t remember what she was reacting to, but seeing the chopper touch down would have been an obvious moment for the photographer in the room to grab an all-hell-breaking-loose reaction pic. Exit question for soldiers and/or military experts: Is there any reason theoretically why the White House wouldn’t be watching the helmet cam video? If that was available, why wouldn’t they avail themselves?
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Turning this guy into a celebrity is a mistake. And he is an idiot for putting his name/face out there.
Have fun looking over your shoulder for the rest of your days. You might want to inquire about the Witness Relocation Program.
Moesart on February 12, 2013 at 2:02 PM
His face and name aren’t out there. No photos and no name.
dentarthurdent on February 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM
Only a temporary condition. The author of the article and some of his comrades in “journalism” know the name. It’s only a matter of time.
And I’d bet even odds al Qaeda already knows it. And probably some foreign governments.
farsighted on February 12, 2013 at 2:46 PM
But it did indeed turn him into a celebrity, as Moesart correctly noted. And if you read the whole article, you would no doubt also concede that there are a few “personal identifiers” about the Shooter described therein.
The story also turned the author, Phil Bronstein, into a considerable publicity seeker, and as he now quite publicly pursues his apparently new-found mission of seeking additional financial and physical security for the Shooter and his family, and other warriors similarly situated, he may have unwittingly opened the door to exposing the Shooter, and himself to considerable additional risk.
Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I’d not be opposed in any way to a truly generous accommodation for the Shooter, or those similarly situated . . . but turning this into a public cause is, I think, a mistake.
We have been, and will continue to be dealing for the foreseeable future with a fringe of people adhering to an ideology which encourages and practices endless personal warfare and revenge-seeking, that goes by the name of “jihad.”
To some extent the notion of “blood lust” and endless revenge has been thankfully missing from the American lexicon for most of our history, though it was ever-present in the storied past, even of many of our European roots. The notion that “the South will rise again” simply never materialized because one of the secrets of American success — even following great conflicts that divided us — was that we always found a way to move on. But for the jihadists amongst us, no more!
The downside of that absence has been that many Americans simply have no idea what it can mean for the future.
When you get around to reading the entire story, dentarthurdent, please note the final few lines penned by Mr. Bronstein.
What Bronstein may not recognize is the potential that he represents as someone who has had up-close and personal contact.
Finally, I also have some lingering doubts about the curious timing of the publication of this article, given the fact that — in addition to retelling the Abbottabad raid story — the author was also critical of the U.S. government response to those who so clearly put themselves on the line. The piece made it quite clear that the interviews were conducted back in May, in the spring of 2012, up to September. Why was publication held until now?
Trochilus on February 12, 2013 at 3:49 PM
AQ should just come and take him away for being so damn stupid. He’s no SEAL, and if he was I’m sure he was forced out because he was a detriment to the team.
stacman on February 12, 2013 at 5:28 PM
I’ve read the article, and none of what you posted changes my primary point / opinion – which is that this whole story is a fake.
I believe this radical left-wing writer (look up his background) either made it all up, or he was a sucker for a stolen valor type fraudster. I believe we will find out the truth fairly soon.
dentarthurdent on February 12, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Well, thanks for offering us nothing in the way of a basis for your opinion — other than saying you believe you are right.
To quote a wag from some years ago, “Some people believe they’ve seen a chicken with lips.”
Trochilus on February 12, 2013 at 6:40 PM
Go read the 20 or 30 other posts I’ve put on this thread and the other related thread. I’ve been at this since yesterday morning – and you’re jumping in at the end saying I have no basis for my opinion? Really?
dentarthurdent on February 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM
I’ve done 15 years… I want to get out and get my retirement too… B.S. You do 20, you get your retirement. That’s how it works. As for disability, sounds like he didn’t file the right paperwork. Sounds like he “pencil-whipped” his mandatory ACAP (or navy quivalent) briefings… which would have told him all that he is eligible (or NOT eligible for).
But he was a SEAL… he doesn’t have time for such briefings…. Oops!
BadBrad on February 13, 2013 at 11:34 PM
Heck, I bet he’ll be lucky to get an ObamaPhone. Unreal.
johnnyU on February 14, 2013 at 5:00 AM
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