Pakistan: I guess we’ll have to show China the wreckage of your secret stealth helicopter

posted at 8:52 pm on May 10, 2011 by Allahpundit

You know what the answer to this is? Have Mike Mullen very loudly and formally invite the head of India’s air force to tour an American air base and check out all the latest projects we’re working on. Maybe, as a bonus, let him sneak a peek at that insanely awesome shipborne laser that the Navy’s perfecting.

Why not? India’s the ultimate bulwark against these fascist and jihadist savages. Let’s make sure they’re prepared. And given their own growing knowledge base in weapons advances, it’d be useful to have a reciprocal relationship with them. It’s time to make this a proper alliance.

The U.S. has already asked the Pakistanis for the helicopter wreckage back, but one Pakistani official told ABC News the Chinese were also “very interested” in seeing the remains. Another official said, “We might let them [the Chinese] take a look.”

A U.S. official said he did not know if the Pakistanis had offered a peak to the Chinese, but said he would be “shocked” if the Chinese hadn’t already been given access to the damaged aircraft…

The potential technological advancements gleaned from the bird could be a “much appreciated gift” to the Chinese, according to former White House counterterrorism advisor and ABC News consultant Richard Clarke…

The Chinese and Pakistani governments are known to have a close relationship. Last month Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif concluded a trip to Beijing, afterwards telling Pakistan’s local press that China was Pakistan’s “best friend.”

Yes, please, let China know the singular joy that comes with being Pakistan’s “best friend.” ABC correctly points out that China is rumored to have jumpstarted its stealth program with pieces of a U.S. bomber that crashed in the Balkans in the late 90s; if that’s so, then that Point A might have led directly to this Point B. And yet, the question lingers: Is a stealth helicopter really all that difficult to figure out? Some experts say no:

[Lexington Institute head Loren Thompson] said that the technology and design features to enable an aircraft to reduce noise and evade radar are not shrouded in secrecy.

Countries that examine the wreckage “will not learn much from the remnants of the exploded helicopter that were not already readily available in open literature,” Thompson told AFP…

The helicopter appears to have at least five blades in its tail rotor, instead of the four associated with the Blackhawk, which analysts said could possibly allow for a slower rotor speed to reduce noise.

A cover on the rotor, akin to a hubcap, can also be seen as well as harder edges in the design, similar to the lines on stealth fighter planes such as the F-117. The cover on the rotor and the design lines would presumably be aimed at circumventing radar, according to analysts.

It’s not completely stealth, either. No doubt it’s radar-proof and quieter than a normal military helicopter in its approach, but remember that guy in Abbottabad who inadvertently tweeted the Bin Laden raid as it happened? His very first tweet was “Helicopter hovering above Abbottabad at 1 AM.” I don’t know how far he was from the compound, but if it was loud enough for him to hear, the Pakistani military must have heard it too. That’s why the raid was only 40 minutes; they would have showed up sooner or later.

As further reading, I recommend this short piece from Victor Davis Hanson about our very good friends in Islamabad. He’s tired of paying them billions in protection money not to do something crazy involving nukes, mainly because they seem to be getting crazier regardless. Exit quotation: “We’ve tried aid, no aid, sanctions, full diplomatic relations, estrangement,etc. At this point, all have failed, and failure without $3 billion a year is better than failure costing $3 billion a year.”


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At this point, all have failed, and failure without $3 billion a year is better than failure costing $3 billion a year.”

That’s a lot of failure.

Should be right in Obama’s wheelhouse…

Bruno Strozek on May 10, 2011 at 8:56 PM

India’s the ultimate bulwark against these fascist and jihadist savages.

A friend of mine who’s a big supporter of Israel says, “A billion Indians and Israelis can’t be stopped.”

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 10, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Have Mike Mullen very loudly and formally invite the head of India’s air force

The message you want to send is to ISI. The meeting should be between RAW and our intel leadership.

Christien on May 10, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Obama could make a real gutsy call on this one.

Funny that he hasn’t…

catmman on May 10, 2011 at 8:59 PM

nuke the entire country. give them 3 days to turn over all their nukes to us, when they dont, bombs away. Having nukes just means that we have to use them against them.

Daveyardbird on May 10, 2011 at 8:59 PM

At this point, all have failed, and failure without $3 billion a year is better than failure costing $3 billion a year.”

Well, compared to the stimulus boondoggle, this is a fricking deal! Let’s keep her up, eh boys!!
/White House

ted c on May 10, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Um, wasn’t there an operational stealth attack helicopter program that got canceled? You know, the Comanche?
Wouldn’t that make this transport helicopter the second?

Count to 10 on May 10, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Exit quotation: “We’ve tried aid, no aid, sanctions, full diplomatic relations, estrangement,etc. At this point, all have failed, and failure without $3 billion a year is better than failure costing $3 billion a year.”

Have we tried seizure of their nuclear stockpiles and air strikes against their nuclear infrastructure? We could toss in leveling their aerospace factories that were built with Chinese assistance as well as destroying their nuclear reactors.

sharrukin on May 10, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Have Mike Mullen very loudly and formally invite the head of India’s air force to tour an American air base and check out all the latest projects we’re working on. Maybe, as a bonus, let him sneak a peek at that insanely awesome shipborne laser that the Navy’s perfecting.

Please. obaka would have to have a spine for that to happen.

ladyingray on May 10, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Obama won’t do anything but a mild bleat. He needs China to keep buying our debt.

Wethal on May 10, 2011 at 9:01 PM

give Chuck Norris the $3billion next year and ask him kindly to take out our dirty laundry.

ted c on May 10, 2011 at 9:01 PM

We tried the carrots now it’s time to try the stick and the biggest stick in the Pakistan’s own neighborhood is India. If the PAKS wanna play chicken with nuclear armed India let em. -it’s their burial at sea after all SNARK.

Dr Evil on May 10, 2011 at 9:01 PM

If were weren’t already in Libya, I’d say bomb them back to the stone age. But that would be a fourth front.

So let’s recognize Kashmir as India sovereign territory.

Kini on May 10, 2011 at 9:02 PM

Afghanistan is a nice base in which to bomb the living crap out of every last islamist terrorist enjoying the Pakistani’s hospitality.
In fact, locate the tail section of that stealth helicopter and have a service member lase it and then launch a half dozen Tomahawks at it.

OxyCon on May 10, 2011 at 9:06 PM

The longer this draws out, the more I’m convinced of Pakistan’s impotence.

Even in the Middle-East, with its turgid lying windbag leadership style, this extended tantrum has been marked by its empty noise.

If Pakistan had any power, they would have used it. Instead they’re antagonizing an American administration whose political opposition would happily give assent to flattening the entire country, which is never a good idea. Good thing for them it’s Obama.

HitNRun on May 10, 2011 at 9:07 PM

It’s not completely stealth, either. No doubt it’s radar-proof and quieter than a normal military helicopter in its approach, but remember that guy in Abbottabad who inadvertently tweeted the Bin Laden raid as it happened? His very first tweet was “Helicopter hovering above Abbottabad at 1 AM.” I don’t know how far he was from the compound, but if it was loud enough for him to hear, the Pakistani military must have heard it too.

I thought so, too, but it seemed bad form to mention it. Allah, did you read the New Yorker piece by Lawrence Wright that Ed linked to the other day?

cynccook on May 10, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Count to 10 on May 10, 2011 at 9:05 PM

I’m not a weapons guy, but considering it was DEVGRU on a historically important mission, I would expect whatever flew in there was “one of a kind.”

HitNRun on May 10, 2011 at 9:08 PM

I do so hope that photo is of the real PLAAF “stealth fighter”. That cruciform tail is exactly the kind of re-entrant structure all the (open source) books on the subject say to avoid at all costs on a low-RCS (Radar Cross-Section) platform.

Actually, it looks to me like a combination of a couple of the USAF’s late 1970s/early 1980s proposals for the AFX (Advanced Fighter eXperimental) program, that resulted in the F-22. Concepts that were rejected precisely because they didn’t deliver low RCS.

cheers

eon

eon on May 10, 2011 at 9:09 PM

I would say let em do it, and as it flies off over the Indian Ocean, shoot the cargo plane down.

WoosterOh on May 10, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Two more options, fly in and take it back, or just bomb the facility it is being stored in.

Then just for giggle, accidentally reveal satellite photos of where the Prime Minister lives.

WoosterOh on May 10, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Smart power would’ve left a little some-some for our ChiCom friends to buy off our Pakistani allies.

Christien on May 10, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Two more options, fly in and take it back, or just bomb the facility it is being stored in.

Then just for giggle, accidentally reveal satellite photos of where the Prime Minister lives.

WoosterOh on May 10, 2011 at 9:13 PM

The sad truth is that the U.S. will most likely do nothing.

cynccook on May 10, 2011 at 9:15 PM

If were weren’t already in Libya, I’d say bomb them back to the stone age. But that would be a fourth front upgrade.

Kini on May 10, 2011 at 9:02 PM

FIFY

Aviator on May 10, 2011 at 9:15 PM

I’m not a weapons guy, but considering it was DEVGRU on a historically important mission, I would expect whatever flew in there was “one of a kind.”

HitNRun on May 10, 2011 at 9:08 PM

I was under the impression that was standard practice for aircraft downed in unfriendly territory.

Count to 10 on May 10, 2011 at 9:16 PM

That’s cash money right off the top of the deficit but it would cause a problem getting supplies to our troops. Once they are gone though…piss off Pakistan before someone drops a house on you.

MJZZZ on May 10, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Wait….has Pres. Obortion apologized to the Paks for…uh..something I’m sure we did?

BobMbx on May 10, 2011 at 9:16 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing/Sikorsky_RAH-66_Comanche

Count to 10 on May 10, 2011 at 9:05 PM

Indigenous tribesmen that are NOT even remotely Comanche to be offended in 5, 4, 3, 2…..

TugboatPhil on May 10, 2011 at 9:20 PM

I’m not a weapons guy, but considering it was DEVGRU on a historically important mission, I would expect whatever flew in there was “one of a kind.”

HitNRun on May 10, 2011 at 9:08 PM

I was under the impression that was standard practice for aircraft downed in unfriendly territory.

Count to 10 on May 10, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Hey, with all that super-duper technology we have in the DoD, we can’t actually use any of it. We might lose one in battle, and all that research money gets wasted.

Whats the point of having secret programs if we leave the technology laying on the ground behind enemy lines?

Geez guys, c’mon….

BobMbx on May 10, 2011 at 9:20 PM

A little bird told me that was the fake stealth tail section, and we crashed the chopper on purpose to feed it to China and confuse them. But don;t tell anybody. It’s a secret.

Kenosha Kid on May 10, 2011 at 9:21 PM

As further reading, I recommend this short piece from Victor Davis Hanson about our very good friends in Islamabad. He’s tired of paying them billions in protection money not to do something crazy involving nukes, mainly because they seem to be getting crazier regardless. Exit quotation: “We’ve tried aid, no aid, sanctions, full diplomatic relations, estrangement,etc. At this point, all have failed, and failure without $3 billion a year is better than failure costing $3 billion a year.”

Yep. To hell with em, and if they try to start any s**t with either us or India…they’ll find out what a coalition between the most powerful military in the world and their biggest foe will unleash. Afghanistan will seem like shooting practice.

MadisonConservative on May 10, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Obama could make a real gutsy call on this one.

Funny that he hasn’t…

catmman on May 10, 2011 at 8:59 PM

He’s busy cracking wall jokes in El Paso.

fogw on May 10, 2011 at 9:25 PM

OR…or they can bake the site with some of that fuel-air ordnance. Let’s see President CORPS-man make that gutsy call.

curved space on May 10, 2011 at 9:28 PM

A little bird told me that was the fake stealth tail section, and we crashed the chopper on purpose to feed it to China and confuse them. But don;t tell anybody. It’s a secret.

Kenosha Kid on May 10, 2011 at 9:21 PM

If only that were so. The CIA could use you KK.

I’ve often wondered why every single aircraft sold to a foreign country didn’t have a secret self-destruct mechanism cleverly hidden within.

fogw on May 10, 2011 at 9:29 PM

I’ve often wondered why every single aircraft sold to a foreign country didn’t have a secret self-destruct mechanism cleverly hidden within.

fogw on May 10, 2011 at 9:29 PM

It’s not uncommon to have some “things” in the avionics. Most countries that sell military aircraft don’t export the exact model they use themselves.

TugboatPhil on May 10, 2011 at 9:36 PM

The Pakistanis clearly believe – and have for a long time – that they can make an arrangement with the Islamists. Both inside their country and if they control Afghanistan. After all, when the Taliban ran Kabul they didn’t cause any trouble for Islamabad.

But they know they can’t make an arrangement with India, a country that they hate in their DNA.

Everything follows from there.

SteveMG on May 10, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Can we end this farce that Pakistan is some kind of friend to us, please! A good way might be to resurrect the Linebacker program in Wazristan and let them see what real unleashed destruction looks like. Just a thought.

bluemarlin on May 10, 2011 at 9:39 PM

and failure without $3 billion a year is better than failure costing $3 billion a year.”

You could drop $3 billion in ordinance on them.

AshleyTKing on May 10, 2011 at 9:40 PM

PBHO will develop a new diplomatic protocol: Bowing to “presidents” of 3rd world crapholes.

Let’s see how President Gutsy responds to this one, I have a feeling the intestines are shriveling inside him.

Bishop on May 10, 2011 at 9:41 PM

What they are really after is the material science of it, i.e., the composition of the radar absorbing skin. Everything else is probably readily discoverable.

Stealth is achieved in a multitude of ways. Sharp angle to deflect rather than reflect radio waves. dispersing engine exhaust to cut down the heat signature. Mufflers to muffle sound. Reduction of profile. Color. But, the key secret is the energy absorbing skin.

PS – that’s also why the J20 isn’t probably quite so stealthy. I read where canards give off a big radar profile (the best use of canards are on the enemies planes) and the engine exhausts aren’t diffused at all so it has an ordinary heat signature. It looks stealthy because it has sharp, odd angles, but it probably isn’t all that hard to see.

TheBigOldDog on May 10, 2011 at 9:41 PM

All the chicoms will get is the the can of coke, they have not a clue how to make it. Just what is the formula and what process is used to make the stealth skin.

All the electronics where destroyed and all that is left if the stealth skin that might be just off the shelf skin which they already have. If it was new type of skin and truly new and not just a new generation with this being one of the first missions there should of been primer cord on the inside of the skin including the tail. Nothing left but a postage stamp size piece. The one failure of the mission was the total destruction of the down craft.

If the Chicoms do get new tech do they think that the US can not see a plane that is using there own stealth technology.

It would not go cheap, 8 figures not including shipping.

tjexcite on May 10, 2011 at 9:42 PM

The stronger relationships Pakistan is building internationally like with China have certainly made them more belligerent to us over the past year.
They like the money we funnel them and anybody who does not think this money sees it’s way into the Taliban/Al-qaeda’s hands is not paying attention.
Their relationship with us is causing the ISI and Pakistan’s weak government to much headaches internally for them to keep going.
This makes the Bin Laden kill a turning point in how we deal with Pakistan.The backstabbing games are not even producing the cooperation that they used to and we know that Afghanistan cannot be won without taking out Pakistan’s ability to fund,train,and support terrorist.
If Pakistan’s obvious support in hiding Bin Laden is not enough to make America get serious with Pakistan than what will???????….we already know they are training and supporting terrorism around the world and some of the most serious attacks against America have come with Pakistan stamp on it.
Let’s not forget that it was Pakistan that was selling Nuclear secrets to terrorist regimes around the world and specifically helped Iran.
It’s time to quit pussy-footing around with this terrorist threat and start our new relationship by taking out the terrorist camps in North Waziristan.

Baxter Greene on May 10, 2011 at 9:44 PM

The stronger relationships Pakistan is building internationally like with China have certainly made them more belligerent to us over the past year.
They like the money we funnel them and anybody who does not think this money sees it’s way into the Taliban/Al-qaeda’s hands is not paying attention.
Their relationship with us is causing the ISI and Pakistan’s weak government to much headaches internally for them to keep going.
This makes the Bin Laden kill a turning point in how we deal with Pakistan.The backstabbing games are not even producing the cooperation that they used to and we know that Afghanistan cannot be won without taking out Pakistan’s ability to fund,train,and support terrorist.
If Pakistan’s obvious support in hiding Bin Laden is not enough to make America get serious with Pakistan than what will???????….we already know they are training and supporting terrorism around the world and some of the most serious attacks against America have come with Pakistan stamp on it.
Let’s not forget that it was Pakistan that was selling Nuclear secrets to terrorist regimes around the world and specifically helped Iran.
It’s time to quit pu$$y-footing around with this terrorist threat and start our new relationship by taking out the terrorist camps in North Waziristan.

Baxter Greene on May 10, 2011 at 9:45 PM

PAK: “I guess we’ll have to show China the wreckage of your stealth helicopter.”

US: ‘Then I guess we’ll need to show them the wreckage of your ports and military installations’.

PAK: “But our ports and military installations aren’t wrecked”.

US: “Wait ten minutes and look again”.

I kid, I kid……

Red State State of Mind on May 10, 2011 at 9:45 PM

“Have Mike Mullen very loudly and formally invite the head of India’s air force to tour an American air base and check out all the latest projects we’re working on.”

That’s a great idea…!

… The only problem is Barak Hussein Obowma is President of the United States.

Seven Percent Solution on May 10, 2011 at 9:47 PM

The Chinese probably gave them the same reaction that Uncle Joe did when Harry S. told him about the A-bomb. Basically, “Ho-hum.”

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 10, 2011 at 9:51 PM

The Pakistanis clearly believe – and have for a long time – that they can make an arrangement with the Islamists. Both inside their country and if they control Afghanistan. After all, when the Taliban ran Kabul they didn’t cause any trouble for Islamabad.

But they know they can’t make an arrangement with India, a country that they hate in their DNA.

Everything follows from there.

SteveMG on May 10, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Pakistan is the Islamists. Fueled by billions of Gulf Alms money given to build madrasahs and radicalize the population. The Taliban was helped by the ISI/Pak military in winning the civil war that erupted after the Soviets pulled out and we followed them.

The CIA knew during the war with the Soviets that the Paks took the money and aid given to them to administer and directed it towards the radical Islamists among the Mujaheddin. The CIA knew the ISI was hopeless then and new the Army was right behind them. It’s all spelled out in detail in Ghost Wars by Steven Coll, the book the 9/11 Comission called the “definitive” book on the run up to 9/11.

TheBigOldDog on May 10, 2011 at 9:51 PM

Missile defense, anyone?

WisCon on May 10, 2011 at 9:52 PM

“Have Mike Mullen very loudly and formally invite the head of India’s air force to tour an American air base and check out all the latest projects we’re working on.”

That’s a great idea…!

… The only problem is Barak Hussein Obowma is President of the United States.

Seven Percent Solution on May 10, 2011 at 9:47 PM

What is sad is Obama would probably bring the Chinese for a tour before of India.

bluemarlin on May 10, 2011 at 9:53 PM

What is sad is Obama would probably bring the Chinese for a tour before of India.
bluemarlin on May 10, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Knowing Obowma…

… he would give away the secrets to someone like Argentina, so they could sell them to China and make a nice profit.

Seven Percent Solution on May 10, 2011 at 9:59 PM

……and here is some reality for the one’s celebrating the “end of the war” and “killing Osama spells the end of al-qaeda” mantra:

Al Qaeda appoints new leader of forces in Pakistan’s tribal areas

By Bill RoggioMay 9, 2011

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2011/05/al_qaeda_appoints_ne_2.php#ixzz1M0KOSBLl

This segment shows the reach al-qaeda has and how it is fused with so many other terrorist groups:

Abdul Shakoor took control of the Turkistan Islamic Party after his predecessor, Abdul Haq al Turkistani, was killed in the Feb. 14, 2010 strike on a compound in the village of Zor Babar Aidak near Mir Ali in North Waziristan. The Turkistan Islamic Party is known to operate in the Mir Ali region along with the Islamic Jihad Group, an offshoot of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. Members of the Islamic Jihad Group and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan are often referred to as ‘European Taliban’ because many European Muslims and Turks are among their ranks.

US intelligence officials told The Long War Journal that Shakoor’s appointment further highlights the influence that affiliated terror groups have within al Qaeda. Although the Turkistan Islamic Party, a terror group that operates in China and Central Asia, is thought to have scores of fighters in Pakistan’s tribal areas, the group’s leaders also hold senior positions in al Qaeda. Abdul Haq al Turkistani, the slain former leader of the Turkistan Islamic Party, was a member of al Qaeda’s Shura Majlis, or executive council. In addition to taking command of al Qaeda forces in the tribal areas, Abdul Shakoor is thought to have also been appointed to the Shura Majlis.

This move was made before Bin Laden’s take down.
The day to day operations along with what is going on at the war front could not have been organized by Bin Laden via courier.
Al-qaeda and it’s many surrogates have a long reach,are very patient,and want nothing more than to kill us.

Pakistan is very much a part of this and should be treated as an enemy and not some de-facto ally.

……but if you listen to the “adults”….al-qaeda only has a few members and is not worth fighting anymore.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/05/09/mission-accomplished-bin-ladens-death-means-its-time-to-leave-afghanistan/

There might be better words to say this, but Mission Accomplished—as much as necessary and possible. The killing of bin Laden highlights that his al Qaeda operation in Afghanistan is in threads. By all intelligence and military accounts, they are down to fewer than 200 faithful.

…remember….
……….these are the same people who criticized and ridiculed all of Bush’s policies that now make it possible for Obama to brag about taking down Bin Laden.

……….liberals have no credibility what-so-ever.

Baxter Greene on May 10, 2011 at 10:00 PM

With friends like China and Pakistan who needs enemas.

That’s a little 80s catch phrase humor for ya.

DFCtomm on May 10, 2011 at 10:05 PM

I thought Barack HUSSEIN Obama was all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful.

Couldn’t he just cross his arms, wiggle his nose, and spirit those pieces away?

madmonkphotog on May 10, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Seven Percent Solution on May 10, 2011 at 9:59 PM

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Or Brazil, we like giving them money!

bluemarlin on May 10, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Obama should book a state trip to Mumbai, stat. But he won’t. He’ll probably throw a state dinner for the Pakis and Chicoms instead.

Philly on May 10, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Let’s see what president Gutsybama’s balls are made of now.

Schadenfreude on May 10, 2011 at 10:26 PM

nuke the entire country. give them 3 days to turn over all their nukes to us, when they dont, bombs away. Having nukes just means that we have to use them against them.

Daveyardbird on May 10, 2011 at 8:59 PM

You’re such an brave online warrior. I doubt if you lived in India you would write such a statement.

Tasha on May 10, 2011 at 10:30 PM

I do so hope that photo is of the real PLAAF “stealth fighter”. That cruciform tail is exactly the kind of re-entrant structure all the (open source) books on the subject say to avoid at all costs on a low-RCS (Radar Cross-Section) platform.

Actually, it looks to me like a combination of a couple of the USAF’s late 1970s/early 1980s proposals for the AFX (Advanced Fighter eXperimental) program, that resulted in the F-22. Concepts that were rejected precisely because they didn’t deliver low RCS.

cheers

eon

The conventional wisdom on the Chinese Stealth is that it was specifically designed for front aspect stealth only. The plane is huge, so it probably wouldn’t make a great fighter, especially with Chinese engines which are notoriously underpowered. It’s mission would probably be a sneak attack on an important assest such as a carrier or AWACS. It could use frontal stealth to get close enough for an attack after which stealth is less important.

Also, I wouldn’t worry about the Paki’s given away the stealth helicopter technology to China. The Chinese would probably learn very little from it. My concern would be the Paki’s turning over F-16s to China. I’m sure China has gotten to examine them close up, but having a complete aircraft to test with and to tear down and inspect would be very valuable. In the 1990s the Chinese bought F-16 engines on the black market, so how interested would they be in the entire aircraft?

As far a threatening Pakistan, I’d go with an embargo on spare parts for all American made aircraft. This would hurt their air force significantly and probably send them to their Chinese buddies to purchase aircraft. The loss of $3 billion a year as well as reequipping an air force would be a very expensive proposition for them if they did not play ball.

ReaganWasRight on May 10, 2011 at 10:41 PM

The Chinese and Pakistani governments are known to have a close relationship. Last month Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif concluded a trip to Beijing, afterwards telling Pakistan’s local press that China was Pakistan’s “best friend.”

More and more, Pakistan is sounding like a 13 year old. I can even picture it sticking out its tongue to the US. Solution: Cut off all Aid.

nyx on May 10, 2011 at 11:12 PM

We may never know what to do about the welfare client state Pakistan.

I believe America has potentially 35,000 cranky Pakis coming out of the 80,000 other diverse cranky Muslims being fast tracked into America in fiscal ’11. But that will balloon exponentially as the humanitarian crisis skyrockets among winners and losers in the carnival like atmosphere of the ARab spring festival of Muslim Brotherhood. And then the family reuniting will get pretty hefty as well in the follow up years. So, America best start creating good jobs for these freedom fighting refugees of Allah. On an up note, if job creation is slow, the Muslims will accept that non believers pay for a comfortable up keep for the families of the Pure.

BL@KBIRD on May 10, 2011 at 11:13 PM

Up yours, Pakistan.

Ryan Anthony on May 10, 2011 at 11:36 PM

I’m not convinced this stealth technology was all too impressive, our helicopter moved in and out in under a day. Osama was living near a military base for years, and he wasn’t detected.

We should offer to sell a fleet of stealth helicopters to India, they’re a lot closer to the border at that point then Afghanistan.

amazingmets on May 11, 2011 at 12:01 AM

I think part of why we pay Pakistan is to have access to their nuke command and control apparatus somewhat. (We helped them build it once they started testing bombs) If we don’t have that anymore, time to start showing them some reciprocity for bad behavior like this.

scotash on May 11, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Seven Percent Solution on May 10, 2011 at 9:59 PM

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Or Brazil, we like giving them money!

bluemarlin on May 10, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Yup. NEO-Bama would tell the Brazilians that we’d be their best customer.

soundingboard on May 11, 2011 at 12:58 AM

Hee AP’s solution is the best one evah, which is of course why Barry won’t take it. As for the Pakistanis, I’m tired of the self righteousness. It’s clear that gov’t officials and the ISI knew where Bin Laden was, which is why they weren’t informed about the raid. Cut off all aid immediately.

Illinidiva on May 11, 2011 at 2:18 AM

What happened to “the Pakistanis’ are our friends” apologists?

If the Pakistanis give the helicopter parts to China (for them to reverse engineer) and if they refuse to give us vital documents and equipment left behind (because of space limitations) in the OBL raid, can there be any doubt that they are our enemies and aided Bin Laden from the get go? These are the “moderate Muslims”, by the way, that apologists keep dragging out whenever I (or anyone else) are accused of “Muslim bashing”.

The OBL raid also revealed (albeit suspected all along) that the only thing the Pakistanis have going for them is their nuclear arsenal. Their military is more reminiscent of the Italians during World war II. But even their nuclear capability is diminished by transportation problems-pilots competent enough to deliver the bombs to the correct targets without being shot out of the sky first.

MaiDee on May 11, 2011 at 3:40 AM

If course, success with no $3 billion in foreign aid to Pakistan and a totally unleashed India doing as it wishes to Pakistan might be soul warming.

{^_^}

herself on May 11, 2011 at 6:22 AM

We should form an alliance with India. Immediately. Pakistan needs to shut up or die. I don’t care which. They have nukes. We have nukes. So what? Ours are bigger and better. One H-bomb on their command and control should end that problem.

fleiter on May 11, 2011 at 7:24 AM

We might let them take a look is Pak code for unless you cross my palm with some green. Seals don’t make mistakes so this makes me think it was deliberate by the regime.

Kissmygrits on May 11, 2011 at 8:11 AM

In fact, locate the tail section of that stealth helicopter and have a service member lase it and then launch a half dozen Tomahawks at it.

OxyCon on May 10, 2011 at 9:06 PM

I concur. I don’t understand why we haven’t destroyed it already.

The dhimmicRATs are always questioning whether or not military action is in our nations best interest. A rouge pockiestahn needs a trip to the woodshed.

A friend of mine who’s a big supporter of Israel says, “A billion Indians and Israelis can’t be stopped.”

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 10, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Exactly right. If we can’t get the job done, they will. And they may not wait until 2012 to see if we will elect someone who can see that.

davidk on May 11, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Send Seal Team Six in to take their nukes; then discuss what to do with the helicopter wreckage.

elfman on May 11, 2011 at 9:33 AM

As far a threatening Pakistan, I’d go with an embargo on spare parts for all American made aircraft. This would hurt their air force significantly and probably send them to their Chinese buddies to purchase aircraft. The loss of $3 billion a year as well as reequipping an air force would be a very expensive proposition for them if they did not play ball.

ReaganWasRight on May 10, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Pakistan would respond to a parts embargo by refusing us access to Afghanistan.

There are only two options that I can see: 1) Continue to pay billions a year for the privilege of traversing their territory to fight the people they are aiding. 2) Take/destroy their nuclear capabilities and then clear a path from their port to Afghanistan, destroying anything that moves within artillery range.

elfman on May 11, 2011 at 9:53 AM

ReaganWasRight on May 10, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Oh, and option 3: Get out of Afghanistan, taking the people who helped us with us.

elfman on May 11, 2011 at 9:54 AM

… one Pakistani official told ABC News the Chinese were also “very interested” in seeing the remains …

Why, I believe, the standard answer would be

“they can see it (the wreckage), but then we just have to kill all of them immediately.”

Sir Napsalot on May 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM

No doubt it’s radar-proof and quieter than a normal military helicopter in its approach, but remember that guy in Abbottabad who inadvertently tweeted the Bin Laden raid as it happened?

Yeah but wasn’t there a Chinook on site as well?

Jay Mac on May 11, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Jay Mac on May 11, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Exactly, probably following on once the house perimeter was secured. There ain’t no stealthing a Chinook.

slickwillie2001 on May 11, 2011 at 10:57 AM

I would politely tell the Paks, “if you give our stuff to China, you better go with it… because we are sending the same guys that got OBL after you!”

rgranger on May 11, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Getting OBL was a good thing but the important decisions will come after in how we deal with the aftermath. The way the admin screwed up the reporting of the mission tells me they will screw up the aftermath. They are well on their way.

rjoco1 on May 11, 2011 at 12:35 PM

India is the key. Invite some Indian military ‘observers’ to Afghanistan to learn how to deal with terrorism. Just a training exercise of course.

slickwillie2001 on May 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM

The problem is is that if you’re going to be in Afghanistan, then you need Pakistani access for resupply. Otherwise your choices are Iran, China and Russia (via the old Soviet Republics). With that list, Pakistan starts looking like the easier method. If we get out of Afghanistan then Pakistan can pound sand. They know this so a victory in Afghanistan is a bad thing to them, hence the continued monkey wrenches that keep coming from them. We’re pretty screwed all the way around. In the end, India is where our future lies in that region so we need to fish or cut bait in Afghanistan and move on.

jnelchef on May 11, 2011 at 3:39 PM

The only problem with Allah’s scenario with Mike Mullen is that we DID trot out US air force technology to India and they rejected it in favor of jets from Europe.
Now, the claim was that the US wasn’t offering the latest and greatest tech but nonetheless they went with the Euro jets. (the article was in Bloomberg a few days ago)

So the only way to do that would be to actually let India have our latest and greatest but that simply isn’t something we do. (and for good reason)

MannyT-vA on May 11, 2011 at 8:03 PM

India is buying the P-8I

jnelchef on May 11, 2011 at 8:58 PM